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"outfront" debt collectors harassing patients in the emergency room, refusing treatment until people pay up in the hospital. we go in-depth. and the latest from the trayvon martin case. will george zimmerman's bail be revoked? the lawyers for trayvon martin and george zimmerman "outfront." let's go. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" today breaking news in the secret service sex scandal. just about a few moments ago cnn learning the identity of the act believed to be at the center of the entire scandal. his name, arthur huntington. he's from maryland and he was the secret service agent who had the payment dispute with colombia escort swuarez. that argument in cartagena, colombia, set off a long-ranging investigation into misconduct by president obama's advance team. as a result, right now nine
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secret service members resigned or are being forced out of the agency. the military launched its own investigation into 12 members also in colombia before the president's visit. now, drew griffin was the first reporteder er to bre reporter to figure this out. real on the ground, hard reporting? >> reporter: the secret service tried to make sure none of these names came out, erin, which made it tough. wep we knew from security the dispute happened between two rooms on the seventh floor where the agents were staying, both occupyed by secret service agents. we then were able to obtain a list of all the agents in that hotel who had checked in and noticed something interesting about knows rooms on the seventh floor. in three of the rooms, apparently, the agents involved were removed and new agents were moved into those rooms after the scandal broke. that led us to the names of
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those three agents. we sbrn able to tell thaw two of the agents are cleared and are going back to work. but the third agent, arthur huntington, through our sources, has now been identified at the man who had that dispute with dania suarez and apparently started this entire crisis within the secret service department. >> and what else have you been able to find out about arthur huntington as a person? anything more about the man? >> he appears to be 41 years old. he is married. he's the father of two sons according to the neighbors. we don't know how long he has been a secret service agent. we went to his house on monday. a man identifying himself as mr. hundredsington did answer the door, talked to one of our producers, declined comment. since then, erin, there has been not a single response other than the door being shut at the huntington home, as you said, in maryland. we haven't been able to reach out and don't know if he has an attorney or not. we just know from sources he has been severed from the secret
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service. >> 41-year-old married father of two. do we have -- you have any sense where he is now and perhaps holed up in his house or any other sense where he may be? >> reporter: we only believe he's at that house because of the cars that are there. we have not spotted him. neighbors say this was a guy who was not home a lot. when neighbor saying he was not home at all. that is typical for the service these secret service agents conduct. and the that his children were home schooled. but that is all. we believe he is in maryland at his home. obviously dealing not with just the secret service crisis but a very real personal crisis in his life. >> i am sure that is true. again, as we said, identifying, thanks to the hard work of drew. boots on the ground who stays in the hotel who moved out of which room on what floor to find out exactly who was at center of all this. another development in the secret service today. changing the way agents are allowed to operate while overseas.
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a whole set of rules changed. we confirm wlad they are. fran townsend has been working sources joining me on the phone literally between flights. what can you tell us about the rule changes? >> reporter: you know, erin what they do is put in place, someone said to me, this is sort of legislative common sense. it talks about that the agents have to not have any alcohol within ten hours of being on duty. it talks that directs -- no foreign nationals in their hotel room, other than hotel service workers or foreign law enforcement. it very much ledge-ogislates wh they're trained in all the tile. while in some respects the agents i've spoken to don't resent it, it jeengendered a bi of eye rolling. people break the rules, they
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should be held accountable. two super viruss, more seniors than the two supervisors on think trip. we reported the two supervisors on the cartagena were gs-14. first-line supervisors. now two gs-15s, more senior, more experienced supervisors, one from a field office, that's typical, but one from the office of professional responsibility. that's the office that's now doing the investigation into the cartagena scandal, and that's, that is resented. the agents i speak to have said to me, this is sort of like sending the baby-sitter with us. you train us. you superize us. hold us accountable as opposed to sending a minder with us. >> sounds like the rules are common sense rules. you shouldn't be drinking heavily ten hours before duty when you are with the president. not allowing foreign nationals in your hotel rooms when you could be in possession with a piece of paper with the president's schedule on it. >> reporter: right.
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that's exactly right. i think because so many of the agents who were on the cartagena trip violated these common sense rules they felt the freed need write them down and they intend to hold people accountable and enforce this. >> fran townsend thank you very much. drew griffin, reporting on the man at the srnt of this entire situation. still "outfront" a chinese murder mystery is an american story and today more to report about harvard and a high-ranking congressman calms barack obama the most corrupt president of. really? and debt collectors demanding payment from patients in the emergency room. an "outfront" special report. to supply affordable, cleaner energy, while protecting our environment. across america, these technologies protect air - by monitoring air quality and reducing emissions... ...protect water - through conservation and self-contained recycling systems... ... and protect land - by reducing our footprint
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quite some time. the thing about it. bing isn't even three years old, already at 53.3%? maybe proving google isn't ma mop liesing anything. if they get the antitrust slamdown it will be microsoft's beam that rises like a phoenix. takes a lot to get revenge. a murder mystery in dplin throwing the government into chaos now spilling into the united states. british businessman neil heywood found dpled a hotel room last yeerd, police say poisoned by si cyanide. once thought to be the president of china soon after lost his job and is totally mia. not for killing heywood but for corruption and wiretaping the country president. spying. the wife was arrested and accused of using cyanide to kill heywood thanks to a business deal gone bad. the story, as we have been saying, james bond-like, but
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international attention is focusing on the couple's son. question, swirling how the young man once suspended from oxford university in britain because of poor academics got into one of the most elite universities in the world. he's studying public policy at the harvard kennedy school of government. a school that takes 20% of its applicants. average 26 years old three years work experience. he's 24. a source familiar with his academic record told "outfront" during one course in 2010, he didn't turn in a single assignment yet awarded a public research grant in public analys analysis. based on the quality of the proposal, research focus and travel requirements. and repeatedly trying to get harvard to comment on him specifically. so far the school refused our requests. but the president at the hartford crimson newspaper said it wasn't hard to bo to brendle
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in. >> harvard, families are well-known, whose parents are connected in government, connected in business. so even as someone famous as many of our professors are, the child of someone famous, it's very easy to blend in as any other harvard student and i don't think 2-it-was any different in this kashcase, i imagine. >> when cambridge police stopped him twice for running stop signs one drives 58 in a 30 mile zone. come on. i've got forgive him for that. he was behind the wheel of, well, this is the bigger problem. an $80,000 black porsche. sort of, you know, not possible to afford theoretically on a chinese government official salary. and president obama calling him the most corrupt president of. and john edwards trial continues. edwards made him fear for his
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so republican congressman darrell issa wants to hold the attorney general in content. that's just the tip of the iceberg. the chairman of the house yoeby sight committee earlier called the barack obama administration the most corrupt government in history, quote/unquote. a pretty significant statement. remember watergate? now says attorney general eric hold sir in contempt of congress for slowing his invest sgigs the botched fast and furious gun
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tracking operation. >> the attorney general has said before our committee we're entitled to what he thinks we need and he will give us and that's not wait it works. >> attorney general holder has always said he's cooperated. >> in addition to my frequent testimony before congress, i have answered and am continuing to answer questions that have been submitted for the record during previous hearings. we've also submitted or made available for review some 6,400 pages of documents to congressional investigators. this has been a significant undertaking for the justice department employees and our efforts in this regard remain ongoing. >> we all know people who say they're cooperating, being helpful and aren't really doing anything. but you know, there could be more to this. let's see if there really is. former head speechwriter for president clinton and also alice stewart in washington. great to have you all. john, start with you. a precedent for this.
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janet reno, failing to hand over campaign documents in 1998. seems to be a bipartisan problem? >> well, it's certainly a bipartisan problem when members of the house oversight committee, a member of a different party in the white house, but that's the problem. this is an important committee and it gets diminished when the people start getting infected with that perspective free hyper partisanship. when darrell issa calls is the most corrupt in history, doesn't pass the laugh test. if that's his perspective on this problem, it's an indication how ouch tout of touch he is an there's important work to do. throwing around threats to congress and subpoenas diminishes the important work the committee should do. >> congress has the right to do this j this? i didn't know this. there's a jail? >> in the basement of congress.
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not for the members of congress, that might be an interesting use of it -- it would be full. a long line -- but in case there's a contempt citation and can't get the courts to do it. this is classic washington kabuki. leaked a contempt citation, many steps way from being anything. it's exactly right. this to me, the whole thing smells of a kind of a conspiracy here to any search of a scandal. this was clearly a botched effort to deal with the drug cartels but i've seen nothing in the thousands of pages of documents produce that suggests a scandal of real malevolence of deliberate wrongdoing or cover-ups. there's a lot of oversight needed. the oversight on the secret service thing is exactly right. this is kind of sound and fury, from what i can tell. >> alice, you think issa's bluffing? >> absolutely not. he has every single right and reason to go after holder and the justice department. he's issued subpoenas for at
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least 70,000 documents and they've only turned over less than 7,000 of them. we understand many have been redacted to issa referred to them as the black pages as opposed to white pages so they can say they're complying but they're not by any stretch the imagination and been 22 errareaf inquires asking for information from the just it department. received it from only hall of tho half of those areas. a tremendous amount of information they are not providing and it's important to do it, for the family of brian terry to get to the bottom of this and get answers. in comparison, the oversight committee received more documents from atf whistle-blowers than from our own just it department. we need to get to the bottom of this, get truth. the best way we can get the answers is to get the most information we possibly can and not more stonewalling from the justice department. >> michael, other investigations issa has underway? s gsa, secret service, post's
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service, tsa, army pay roll, food stamp fraud. a lot going on right now. >> look, when he came in, when president obama came in, for starters, you have to figure, he had that line being the most corrupt government in history in his computer waiting to be used for something. shouldn't be hiring lawyers. should be hiring accountants in the executive branch. that's the kind of oversite neednee oversight needed. hard to split it up from the endless criminalization. when i was working in government we assumed that everything anybody wrote down was going to eventually be in the hands of a congressional committee, and that's okay, but it really makes it very lard to get a lot done. >> all right. i want to play something back here, john. this is interesting. henry waxman. those who don't remember who he is, a familiar looking guy. you may remember him, head of the house oversight committee. 78 hearings he held. lehman brothers, baseball, a lot of thing. here she an condoleezza right.
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>> secretary rice is going to have a confrontation with this committee because we're not going to accept the glad if you say something negativing a the maliki government it's classified, if you say something positive, it's okay? that's seems to about what we've been told by the state department. i consider that completely unacceptable. >> 78 hearings for his tenure. darrell issa already at 50. john, is he out of control? >> when he says things that are ridiculous on their face, like the most corrupt administration in history, yes. that is a sign of not someone in control. not a serious person. but you know, what waxman comments indicate, this is a bipartisan problem. grandstanding when a president of the opposite party and it diminishing the entire process. >> thanks to all three. appreciate it. happy friday. i have a stud fri hempstead university which shows us that cats and dogs are beginning to watch television.
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the married 41-year-old father of two is the agent who got into a dispute with an escort over pay at hotel. that dispute is what set off the massive investigation into misconduct from the secret service. huntington has since left the secret service. cnn reached tout him for a comment. he declined. nine secret service member rees seined or are being forced out as a result of the scandal over the alleged events in colombia. two, dominique straus kahn accusing opponents of destroying his bid to be president of france. dsk launched a conspiracy theory believing operatives linked to nicolas sarkozy orchestrated his public fall. he accuses them of intercepting phone calls and making sure a new york housekeeper went to police to accuse him of rape. the case was eventually dropped. before the scandal broke, he led some polls in france. and sarkozy versus francois
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leads in new polls ahead of the second flound about a week. three, the space shuttle "enterprise" arrived in new york city on the back of a 747. if you didn't see it it's worth looking at. a pretty neat thing. flying over the statue of liberty and other landmarks and landing at jfk for a ceremony. the subtle's final resting place, the intread ip sea, air and space museum on the hudson river. expecting a 30% increase in attendance when that exhibit opens in july meaning more money. it's going get to charge an extra $6 to see nearly $2 billion space shuttle. number four, growth in the u.s. economy is slowing down. grew 2.2% in the first three months of this year. now, it was a 3% growth rate in the prior quarter. still growing, but the rate decelerating. some positive signs in numbers. we wanted to pull it out. a glass half-full kind of show. the second strongest quarter
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since the recovery began. it's been 267 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? the government's cutting spending and shows in the gdp report. down 8%, following a 12% decline in the prior quarter. obviously the government cutting spending over the long-term. hon soon? economic growth gets hurt and some say could send the u.s. back to recession. there's a sex tape, yep, at center of arguments in the john edwards trial. today we found out more about what happened. edwards pleaded not guilty, you're aware, to using nearly $1 million from wealthy donors covering up an affair with rielle hunter. if found guilty, could spend up to 30 years in prison and pay up to a $1 million fine. the tape is believed to be from his affair with rielle hunter. the judge and lawyers can refer to it but the judge hasn't sdipded whether to release it.
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the other thing that happened today, with the spotlight turned on john edwards former right-hand man andrew young. young testified today he feared for his life while working for edwar edwards. "outfront" with us tonight. really? >> really. a sex tape. the problem of the tapes and you have the problem of andrew young being in fear that these guys, he says -- he said there's a billionaire and a millionaire and they're all telling me to cover up and lie and do illegal things, and i was afraid for my life. i was afraid something bad would really happen to me. i said sex tape in the beginning because that's where we wound up before the end of the day, talking how crazy the case is, threats on his life and all of these allegations. >> some people may smile but sexually, rather bizarre and if
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true very frightening thing. what about the sex tape? the judge said refer to it and debating whether to have it come out as evidence. what would it do everybody den s evidentiary. >> when rielle hunter left the house she left this tape behind. young's been holding ton it, and the talk was he was going try to sell it and make money on it. so edwards' attorney could cross-examine him to show what a sleazeball she, he's willing to sell this tape to make money, which would really hurt andrew young, but the problem is, every time you throw a rock at andrew young, it bounces off his head and hits john edwards, because the very existence of the tape makes john edwards look like a sleazeball, and so it's a problem piece of evidence i think for both men. >> for both, and so in court today, young admitted taking money from bunny mellon, the wealthy donor, not just to conquer up the affair also using
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it for himself. additions to his home, boats, expensive vacations. does this rock also his john edwards or succeed in making andrew young look bad? >> the defense made a real, real score today. this was a devastating attack on young. it showed really that young has admitted to being a crook. he was taking $200,000 from someone who supposedly was donating to john edwards. spending the money on his own personal expenses. so it really, really did serious damage to him. i thought it was the best day the defense has had in the case. >> all right. paul, thank you very much as we continue to follow that. an in-depth special report on "outfront." talking about that collectors and this story took to a whole new level. it's shocking. here it is. high pressure sales tactics. you remember this scene from "glengarry glen ross"? >> adding a little something to
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this month's sales contest. you all know first price a is cadillac el dorado? second price, set of steak knives. third prize is you're fired. >> one company is using those boiler room tactics in the emergency room. hospitals have been facing intense financial pressure. in 2009, they had $39 billion in unpaid bills. but the liengths some are going to do collect are shocking. our reporter has the story. >> reporter: developed a kidney stone. >> i have to add, this is unbelievable pain. >> reporter: instead of a doctor she was greeted by a high-pressure bill collector. >> he said that i needed to pay, i can't remember the exact figure. $700 to $800 -- i'm not sure what it was.
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and i was just shocked. >> reporter: she says she actually owed -- >> i was charged $876 and when blue cross sent through my final statement i only owed $200. >> reporter: she started complaining eventually taking the case to the minnesota attorney general the office ntd and i don't think anyone was going to make about effort to refund our money until we started calling. >> reporter: she found out she wasn't alone according to the minnesota attorney general the office, they were among many patients being forced to pay. the attorney general office release add six volume report on this and is suing the firm in
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federal court. >> yeah. they're taking advantage of people who are under duress trying to get extra cash out of people's wallets in the emergency room, getting people to sometimes pay cash, take out a credit card at a time in their life when they're not thinking straight when they're not feeling well. >> reporter: the report claims that managers ran the business like a boiler room sales operation. right in the emergency room. >> you collect x amount in the emergency room, i'll dress up like a clown or the kentucky fried chicken mascot. so very much creating hyper aggressive sales oriented collection environment at a place that should be a sanctuary for people who are sick and dealing with the worst time of their life. >> reporter: they haven't responded to the request for comment. fairview health services e-mailed a statement in part reads, we take the concerns raised by minnesota attorney general lori swanson seriously. we share many of her concerns and have already taken actions to address them. fair view stopped using them for debt collection services in january, but still uses the firm for other financial services.
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>> you know, here's the first one -- >> reporter: nancy had a $150 balance when she arrived at the hospital. she was asked to pay up or postpone her surgery. >> they were very willing to take my checking number and withdraw it automatically. i said, no. you're not going to do that. >> reporter: deb walden also refused to pay up but says she's concerned that others might not be able to say no so easily. >> i think -- maybe older people, people that maybe to speak the languages didn't understand, maybe, or just afraid that you wouldn't get care, and -- it was -- i guess i was just in so much pain i didn't really care what i said to him, i just, go away. >> reporter: for cnn, st. paul, minnesota. now, so far 60 hospitals in 20 states have been implicated. looks like this could just be the tip of the iceberg. let us know what you think on
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we're back with tonight's outer circumstance's reaching out to sources around the world and begin in syria where state media said a suicide bomber killed nine people in damascus today. ar wynn damon
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arwan is following the story. >> reporter: they never had a chance to actually begin to cease, the cease-fire. one of the requirements, a cease-fire never truly materialized since it was called for hundreds of people have been killed according to opposition activists and on friday there were two explosions in the capital of damascus, one carried out by a suicide bomber, and opposition activists saying neighborhoods at the u.n. monitors are visiting are being targeted afterwards. none of this, of course, paint a very positive picture for syria or even for the fact that the potential arrival of hundreds of monitors is actually going to begin to change the situation on the ground. and at this point in time, erin, there is no plan b. >> arwa damon, thank you. now to brazil a former prostitute is threatening to sue the u.s. embassy claiming she was injured meeting a group of u.s. marines and an embassy employee. the three marines involved have already been punished.
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we have the store from brasilia. >> reporter: she told us she worked as stripper here and also a call girl. on december 29th she and co-workers left with a group of americans from the u.s. embassy security team. three marines, one embassy staffer, called an embassy van and aid cording to this woman after they got into the car she was vile lengthily thrown out because she's gotten into an argument with brat zillion driver. when she tried to stand up she grabs the handle and the van dragged her along and then rolled over her abdomen. she broke her collarbone, three ribs and punctured a lung and now wants to sue, erin. >> is george zimmerman in jeopardy of going back to jail because of money he raised online? zimmerman raised more than $200,000 on his website and the judge wants to know where it came frp and when. judge ken its lester set zimmerman free on $150,000 bond
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last week after he and his family claims the volunteer watchman was indigent. the attorney for trayvon martin says it's outrageous and that the bond should are revoked. >> we are emphatically saying that his silence was indication of untruth. >> benjamin crump our guest in a couple minutes. first, defense attorney om'mara joins us. you hear benjamin crump saying this is evidence that george zimmerman is dishonest, bail should be revoked. what's your reaction? >> it's just not an appropriate reaction to it, i don't believe. he did not tell the court that that money was there and available seemingly, and i consider it an oversight, because i don't see anything else that suggestses mr. zimmerman has been insincere or dishonest. the opposite seems to be true, because when i first talked to
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him about it, very forthright, actually happened at a time when we were doing away with all of his web presence he mentioned to me the paypal account. i asked what he was talking about. he said how much is in it. i said you need to give that to me right now, because i knew the concern of him having that much money, and literally that day he fedexed it over to me, the money he had available and then there's more money coming from paypal itself. >> hearing this i mean, one thing that goes through my mind and i think some virus' minds is look, george zimmerman had this money, used some of it for living expenses knew was available to him and he was spending it, and this is a guy who didn't have a lot of money. there's no way he could have had an oversight and forgotten to tell you about it unless he wanted to, well, keep it on the side for himself for living expenses and not tell you about it. >> i understand that concern. i truly do. i'm not trying to minimize it. if i were to look at this from
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the complete outside and say there was $200,000 sitting there, i would know if i had that sitting somewhere. the oversight i suggest, the evidence around it suggests he wasn't trying to be deceptive or deceitful. he could well have never mentioned it to me. hidden all the facts from me. rather, soon as it was asked, i accept responsible having not questioned him about this before. i used my excuse the fact i've been extraordinarily busy with everything else. the moment i asked him about it, he acknowledged it and forwarded the money. that fact is as relevant and if not more relevant than the fact he didn't mention it to the judge at a time when i think he didn't intend any deceit or dishonesty. >> will you be surprised if the judge decides when he does come back and make a decision that george zimmerman needs to go back to jail? have you told jz sdwlgeorge zim that could be the outcome of this money revelation?
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>> we've discussed all the possibilities. i would, if you're asking the quirks i might be surprised if the judge found this to be such a violation he felt the need to reincarcerate. i think $150,000 is a significant bond, very high bond, it was difficult for them to get and to secure, again, we're talking about not using the $200,000, $150,000, so without that it was still very difficult for them to accomplish. >> benjamin crump will you with us in a couple of minutes. i'm going to ask him about this. i wunt to ask you first. george zimmerman raised about $204,000. on his online plea before you came onboard. trayvon martin's family says he only raised $100,000. are you surprised that your client raised double? >> will has been an enormous amount of upswelling on both sides of this issue.
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i'm sad that the issue seems to be trayvon martin's family versus the zimmerman family, because i don't think that's a competition that needs to occur. there has also been money forwarded, drebted to my account to me. about $10,000 ors 12ds,000. i have take than and put it into the account. nothing to do with george but directed to my office. i can understand why $200,000 of support came in for george zimmerman and i expect a lot more, because it is such an issue for people to look at this case and see it the way it's been presented so far, though none of us know all the facts. >> all right. thanks very much. mark o'mara, appreciate you taking the time, sir. >> sure. no problem at all. mark o'mara told mark o'mar will represent george zimmerman pro bono if need. mr. crump, good to see you. appreciate you taking the time. what's your reaction about what mark o'mara said, trying to make
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the case for george zimmerman not talking about the money as an oversight. do you feel any more convinced than you did earlier? >> not at all, erin. it is painfully obvious that george zimmerman lied to the court by omission. he sat there and listened to the state attorney, the judge, as well as his lawyer ask his father, his mother, and his wife about how much money that website raised. the real george zimmerman, the website that he created, the website that he controlled, and he sat there and didn't say a word. and he knew what the judge was asking for. he wants to know what to set the bail amount at, to decide whether he's going to get out of jail. and it was willful ignorance on his part. >> why do you think he did it? why do you think he omitted it? you heard me ask the question there, he maybe wanted to save some stash of money for his own use? obviously, i'm asking you to
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speculate here, but what do you think? >> well, obviously, you follow the money, as we always say in criminal cases. and it's a situation that george zimmerman took that stand and he was offered this orchestrated, insincere apology. he lied during the apology when he said he didn't know who trayvon martin was. so we have a pattern that he's manipulative and he's deceptive. he's very deceitive. all of america is waiting like trayvon martin's parents to see. and this is going to say a lot about whether trayvon martin can get a fair trial. >> benjamin, let me ask you a question, though. because even if everything you say ends up being right and he omitting it and he was dishonest, isn't bail fundamentally about flight risk
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as opposed to the level the bail is set at. and george zimmerman, certainly, if he was going to have fled, he would have already done so. so the bail is to prevent flight risk, he doesn't appear to be one. >> my grandma says, if you lie about something little, you'll lie about something big. it's about trust. when the court asks you a question, you've got to be honest. and if he doesn't revoke his bond, the court should severely sanction him, so george zimmerman understands you cannot lie to the court. and if trayvon martin had deceived the court, we have no doubt that his bond would have been revoked. it's about fairness. and that's all trayvon's parents want, is fairness. and we're going to see whether they can get fairness based on these next couple of rulings by this court. >> benjamin, you heard me ask mark o'mara about the issue of raising money. i was surprised, given the public outcry, given how this has been tried in the court of public opinion, to this point, to see that george zimmerman appears to have on his website raised twice as much money as trayvon martin's family. were you surprised too when you
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heard that number? >> well, a little bit, erin, because he killed an unarmed kid. and you ask for a lot of conversation to be had in our country, when you say, an armed vigilante can kill an unarmed kid and raise $200,000. you know there's some special interests in there. and that's just sad. because trayvon martin is still sybrina fulton and tracy martin's kid who got killed as he walked home. look at the objective evidence. don't take our word for it, don't take mr. o'mara's word for it. that videotape, 35 minutes after this allege d plunging he got, and listen to the 911 tapes. and if the shoe was on the other foot, erin, nobody would say this is a difficult trial. they would have convicted trayvon martin as quick as we
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can say the word conviction. it's a double standard and we've got to send a message that there's equal justice for everybody in america. this is what this case is about. >> benjamin, thank you very much. benjamin crump, as with we said, the lawyer for trayvon martin's family. now let's check in with anderson for a look at what's on "a.c. 360" on a friday night. >> we're keeping 'em honest tonight on the program, with the head-scratching politics of how an attempt to keep students seeing a dramatic rise in the cost of their college loans has devolved into finger-pointing and name calling about the so-called war on women. an explanation on that ahead. i'll speak with congressman carolyn maloney. tonight in crime and punishment, 11 years after drowning her five kids in a bathtub, andrea yates, remember her, she may soon get to leave lockup in the mental hospital where she spent the last five years. we'll explain why, at least for a few hours a week, a judge is considering a request to allow her to attend services at a local church. we'll talk to dr. drew on whether andrea should be allowed
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to leave. that and much more at the top of the hour. >> thanks very much, anderson. next, rush limbaugh and hillary clinton. birds of a feather? out front, next. does aspirin even work on headaches?
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so today we stumbled upon this headline in "the washington post." "rush limbaugh's insults demonstrate his fear of hillary clinton." well, i'm sure rush would beg to differ, but fear of hillary? this is the most recent example
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of the reinvention of hillary clinton that has been going on over the the past few years. a woman who is more popular than ever in poll after poll after poll. and has a real shot at winning the 2016 democratic nomination. there's even a fan site dedicated to just how cool she looks in one of her photos. hillary clinton, american hotshot. it's a far cry from when she ran for president in 2008 and people fell all over themselves to refer to her as cold, harsh, or unlikable. the new hillary, has figuratively, and literally let down her hair, drinking beer, dancing at bars. she made the front of the "new york post" drinking a beer. but why? maybe we've just caught up to the real hillary and we were blinded before. and maybe america stopped being so overly judgmental of women in politics. that would be a great thing. have a wonderful weekend, everybody. "a.c. 360" starts right now. erin, thanks. good evening, everyone. we begin tonight, keeping 'em honest, with a fight over student loans. specifically with democratic charges that the republican solution to this problem pays fo

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