plus a very outspoken penn jillette. he's against marriage for anybody. he'll tell me why. and new information about george zimmerman. our investigation on the photo that could change the way you think about the treyvon martin case. and an exclusive with the jackson, back together again on stage after nearly 30 years. and for the first time since their brother michael's tragic death. >> i think our first charge getting back to the stage would be something in the celebration of 40 years of show business. this is "piers morgan tonight." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening we begin tonight with what we think is the big story. and tonight it's the high-stakes, high glamour hollywood fundraiser happening right now. it's the biggest ever fundraiser for a single candidate a not so

intimate dinner at the home of george cleaner for 150 a-listers. guests handed over an estimated $6 million to take part and a ticket raffle raised $9 million. a lucrative west-coast trip for the president and joining me now to discuss this in many detail is nischelle turner being kept at bay i hear. you can't get near the action. what do you think is going on there? >> first of all we know that the president will be landing at los angeles international airport in about 15 minutes, piers. he will then helicopter over and take the motorcade through the streets in the san fernando valley. i know people are lined up on the streets to get a glance of the presidential motorcade. we know the event starts at 8:00 and is supposed to last a couple

hours. a lot of hollywood a-listers. >> what i love about it. and the details haven't been fully confirmed but it appears of the $9 million raised from the public this is people paying $3 each to enter a raffle and the prize is sitting at the top table with the president of the united states and george clooney all for $3. >> that was like the most amazing thing about this fundraiser. they put this raffle out there and did raise $9 million from people going online and donating at least $3. $3 was the minimum. they did release the names of the winners who won. i just brought them with me. the first lady is beth who is a science teacher from new jersey. the other is karen who is a communications specialist from st. augustine, florida. they got all expense paid trips

to this fundraiser. they get to bring their husbands as their dates. it will be a good time for them. >> nischelle, thank you. >> sure. >> celebrities, politics and big bucks is all fodder for p.j. o'roark. what do you make of this. $15 million, dinner at george clooney's house. the president helicoptering in. is it all just smart political fundraising or just tipping over the edge a little bit? >> no. all political fundraising is just a tax on stupidity but there may be more stupidity around than usual. but i'm interested in this that is celebrity-centered and that got me thinking about why celebrities are almost all liberals. not everyone but almost always. it has nothing to do with their

conscious thought process or right or wrong or right or left it's just that the liberal message -- the liberal message flatters the good intentions of the audience and promises a happy ending and the conservative message is grumpy and reminds people they are selfish and live in a selfish world and things don't always turn out as well as we hoped. >> is there a danger in president obama in so aligning himself to the hollywood community? unlike bill clinton he hasn't been to hollywood very often but this is a huge event. the greatest fundraiser in history that it just identifies him now as the hollywood candidate, if you like. is that a danger for him in november? >> i think there is a little bit of a danger because we have been -- no offense to your final, upstanding self, but we

have become very used to a very short celebrity half-life. i mean they just flicker across the -- you know one day it's sponge bob and the next day it's dora the explorer and then they are forgotten and gone. politician is a long-haul job. i believe he would like his show to be renewed for another four years. >> what i thought was a cynical view was you know why president obama decided to endorse gay marriage is he is walking to a room where he will be absolutely full of people who if he hadn't would have given him ear ache for the next three hours tonight. >> i'm sure. but you know, i'm very conservative myself but my opinion of gay marriage is why should they get off scot-free? you know? we know -- married people turn

into republicans. >> we're watching as you speak watching marine one. breaking news, the president landing in hollywood in marine one and will be escorted by motorcade to george clooney's home. i mean, p.j. roark is it a great stunt in terms of pr. >> it is brilliant. it's absolutely brilliant. and the upside of the president associating himself with famous people is now with the internet age and the blogging age and so on we're all convinced that we're famous. and instead of being above the general public he is become a

part of the general public. he, too, has his own reality show. >> if you were mitt romney and you're watching these scenes tonight are you feeling it's a bad night at the office or this could be an opportunity to distance himself from this whole celebrity circus if you like, focus on perhaps non-celebrity fundraising? >> i think i can read mitt's mind on this. i think this is an opportunity for mitt to show his gravitas and he will get together with math wizards and economists at the hedge fund club or something. so i have a feeling that mitt is the kind of guy who looks down upon this a little bit which isn't giving him -- one more case of him being bob dole without the sparkle.

>> on that bombshell, p.j. as always a great pleasure. thanks for coming on. >> thank you. >> p.j. o'roerk. if there is one man you can count on not to toe the line is penn joy local. welcome back. >> good to see you. >> would you pay $40,000 to be a guest at this? >> i don't think i would go for free. those kind of dinners they are uncomfortable. you are sitting next to someone you don't want to talk to. i don't think it's that good. i'm i'm freaked that george clooney doesn't have a heldi port. doesn't he have a bat port up there. >> what do you feel about the

celebrity of fundraising? >> you go to where the money is. these are the 1%. >> do you feel irritated the american presidency is up to grabs for the most money. romney has blown away -- >> we found out. >> by just having more money. >> we found out that is not true. a lot of cases people tried to buy elections at the state level and it hasn't worked. the one big surprise is that the american people are way smarter than the pundits think they are. i think when it all comes down money is important but it's not everything. i think that the american people do care about ideas as crazy as that sounds. >> let's talk gay marriage. >> sure. this is so sudden. >> okay. >> we had been getting on so well. >> you are so cute. okay. >> now what do you think of it? >> well you know i don't think

that marriage is the government's business. i don't know why sex and commitment and love is part of the government's job. >> shouldn't it be the government's business when a section of the community is excluded? >> absolutely. once you've had straight marriage you have to have gay marriage. and the slippery slope they talk about like what if they want polygamy and this i think that is terrific. i'm in favor of the slippery slope. i think slope is a good thing and commitment is a good thing and people should be able to make any life commitment to anyone they want but i'm not sure that the government has to overview that and make that decision. like many things we only get in trouble when we all try to agree on things for everybody if you went and said you can make any contract you want the reason i'm married is because i could not find a lawyer who would tell me that not being married if

something tragic happened to my wife i would get custody of my children. almost sure i would but it is possible for one of her relatives. and so i was kind of forced into marriage and -- you know i would have loved my wife and made commitments but wouldn't have -- >> here you have a president who stuck his hand up and made a big move in favor of gay marriage. in our country we have a royal family. we have the diamond jubilee of the queen one of the great longest serving monarchs of all time. be but -- but we haven't got what we have to talk about. we are coming back to the presidency. tell me what the gay marriage debate does to the real debate in america which is the economy. it's all well president obama saying all this now and creating a furor that will last a week or two. it doesn't help people who are out of work.

>> except that you can say something about gay marriage and i'm not sure anyone has any idea how to fix economy. it is something he can do. >> i've got this clip. it made me laugh so much. we have a royal family and prince charles -- the next king of england for reasons no one can be sure of read the weather on national television in great britain. it is startingle. >> we head toward the end of the week. this afternoon it will be cold, wet and windy across most of scotland. we're under the influence of low pressure and this weather front is bringing cloud and outbreaks of rain. >> i have no idea what he is doing. he is the future king of england and he turned out to be a good weatherman. he understood when it was bad weather he was more somber.

he cracked a few self deprecating jokes. >> he did okay with the blue screen. that is not easy unless the palace is blue screen. >> co-you like this idea of world leaders reading the weather? >> i think that is what we should do. i think obama and romney should each do the weather. as long as you let ron paul and gary johnson try it too you won't let them into the debates but please let them at least read the weather. >> as always come back soon. >> coming up exclusive information on george zimmerman that may change your mind about the man.

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want to turn to our other big story. we have a photograph that may change the way that some people look at george zimmer man, the man after excused of murder of treyvon martin. martin thank you for joining me. tell me about this photograph that you have unearthed here and

tell me about its significance. >> well, we have been simply working on the matter. as a cnn legal analyst we have had issues surface and we have been investigating them and questioning them. when i first heard about this tragedy i jumped to the conclusion that there was some racial aspect to this shooting that treyvon martin was shot and killed by george zimmer man based on part by racial bigotry and profiling. i started asking questions. i have come to realize that much of what you hear is simply not factual. so we have the picture there. and you can see. i had a family member give it to a friend who gave it to me and we gave it to you earlier today. the man in the middle is apparently george zimmer man's great grandfather and the woman

above him is his grandmother who is half black and the little child in the gentleman's man is his mother. so we see that he has significant multiracial and multicultural roots. he was raised in an integrated family. in large part by his grandmother who is half black. i made the analogy that if president obama indicated his son looked like treyvon martin if you look at his these pictures his grandparents would have looked like george zimmer man's grandparents. looking at this and finding out that he mentored african-american children for a couple of years driving from sanford to orlando and talking to people that know him, i have changed my position. people can come up with whatever

conclusions they want. but from looking at the facts and the evidence, i don't think there is a racial motive in there. we have nra issues and stand your ground issues and other significant issues. self-defense or not but race was that a factor in this shooting? from what i seen and have learned i don't think so. >> a cynic will say this may be helpful to the case but it may not change anything. george zimmerman may have had a great grandfather he was african-american or of african descent but what it is is a fascinating image to emerge of zimmer man's family. what we don't know is what george zimmer man's motives may

have been. >> you know, in talking to friends and people that know him i'm hearing a story that he doesn't have a prejudiced bone in him. i have heard that only from people. of kwlou of course it makes me sick people say i have white friends and black friends. you could have white friends and black friends and gay friends and still be bigoted. but the story i'm hearing is that he was raised in an integrated family. there were people in the family of different ethnicities and it was multicultural and it is not a factor in this. i think it's horrendous what nbc did by chopping up a tape and making it sound like the first call was a black person was what

he was watching. when you listen to the tape it seems to be anything but. >> let me turn quickly. i got information too about the social media aspect of the defense for george zimmerman. tell me about that. >> i think that is the sign of the times. you know, piers you have justice for ray is trey vvon martin on e hand and justice on the other hand. there has been a lot of injustice in this case. i took a hard hit against the sanford police department. it turns out it was the state's attorney's office. >> thank you, martin. it has been a fascinating discovery that photograph. it will spark more debate about a hotly debated case.

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to your heart ♪ ♪ i was blind to let you go. >> the jax reason going on tour for the first time in three decades and paying tribute to their brother michael. joining me are the jackson brothers in their first interview together since michael's death. it's fantastic to see you. it's a real thrill. i grew up with your music. i want to get up and start but i won't. no one wants to see that. but it's a bittersweet moment. seeing the four of you together without michael for everyone that loved all you guys, a very bittersweet moment but for you in particular, this was your

brother. how does it feel for you going back on tour, on the road and michael's no longer here? >> well, we miss him. we're excited to keep the legacy going, the music going. but we miss him so much. but it's something he would want us to do to keep it going. and i guess the challenge, right, guys, was to decide what music we were going to do. >> and the fans wanted us to tour. we got e-mails from the fans around the world. i think we owe it to them as well. they want to sing the songs with us and entertain. >> i think with the brothers and each of us have our own reason how we feel on stage without our brother on there. for all these years when we're on stage he was there. now i think about he is no longer here but in spirit he is with us. >> i agree with marlon with what

he was saying. what is beautiful about the tour is that we are doing some of the venues we played prior to motown, the apollo theater -- >> we started there. >> so many shows prior to michael. we know he will be there. >> six shows a day. >> six shows a day? is that right? >> yes. >> we'll come back to michael later but when you think of the jacksons is that you guys never really had a childhood. this thing exploded when you were young and you have all in some way been damaged by that fact. you never had the chance to be normal. i have only just met three of you now and you seem remarkably undamaged on the outside and happy guys. i'm not looking at you people and thinking you guys are

damaged. >> what is abnormal? >> that is a good point. >> my theory on that is i think that my father prepared us for manhood. you are only a child up to 18 but you have the rest of your life to be men. and he prepared us to be men for 40 or 50 years. >> has he had too hard rap? >> i feel so, for sure. absolutely. >> i can tell you now i have done an interview with your mother which is airing on monday which is an extraordinary interview. she's an extraordinary woman but of the many things she said it was the defense of her husband, your father which was so moving. where you grew up you had a choice as parents you let your kids run riot and go out on the

streets or you got a grip of your children and disciplined your children and gave them another life. >> gave us chores to do. yeah. >> do you feel your father went too far on occasion or now that you are older and you have kids yourself do you get it? >> i get it totally. when you are a kid you feel your kid has gone too far because you are a kid. but when you look back he's done a wonderful job. look where we are. >> i think when you have so many kids in the family. i mean we have -- 11 of us in the home in gary, indiana. so somewhere along the way you have to have a grip on the family. and he saw something in -- let me rephrase that. my mom saw something in her kids that my father did not see and that is that they have some

talent. after convincing them and once she did that then it was on for us. >> when you say that -- as you sit here now in your late 50s and -- you are the oldest right? >> i'm the oldest. you are weathering well. how old are you? >> 61. >> 58. >> 55. >> 57. >> you are all aging well. like a fine bottle of wine. what i'm thinking. again i come back to your upbringing. we can come to what happened next a little later. but do you think when you see your father now he's an extraordinary iconic figure in american entertainment. he's the guy who has always had the mean tough guy reputation. brutalizing his children, driving to fame and fortune.

the more i talk to people around your family the less i feel that. he just wanted you guys to come out of life well. >> he got behind us. he supported us. >> how do you get along with him now? >> very well. >> he kept us busy. he used to work two jobs. we had cylinder blocks in the backyard. hundreds of them. we had to move them from one side of the yard to the other side. that took all day. he was keeping you out of the streets. >> what are the values he instilled in you? >> so many. >> respect other people is the main one. >> be honest and doing what you're told to do exactly how you're told to do it. and just be -- just the discipline. >> your mother said to me -- this is not airing until monday so it's in reverse but it cell ven -- is relevant.

she despairs in raising children today. she felt strongly there is not enough discipline. >> i don't think kids today respect adults the way they did when we were coming up as kids. i think that's important. i see kids today that don't step aside and let the elderly go in front of them or open doors for them. they have no sense of that. that comes from in our house. your parents instilling values and things of that nature in the kids. sometimes the parents are busy trying to be kids themselves. >> let's take a break and come back and remember about michael. i want to know what plans you have for the tour, how you're going to remember him. there is a suggestion of some kind of hologram of him on stage. let's get to the truth of the rumors that are flying after the break.

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that's strong ♪ ♪ i'll be your strength ♪ i'll keep holding on ♪ holding on ♪ if you should ever find someone new ♪ ♪ i know he'd better be good to you ♪ ♪ if he isn't i'll be there. >> the jacksons performing "i'll be there" back in 1983. i have brothers and if my little brother has broken out as this mega star part of me would be r irritated. >> no. >> that was the platform of the jackson 5. that started it all. it gave him the platform to do

what he did. >> when you saw how phenomenal michael became as a global superstar the most famous of entertainer of them all including elvis and the beatles, when you saw that did you worry about him knowing he is your little brother? did you worry? >> we had worries during the circle of people but not so much what he was achieving. we knew he knew what to do. but it was just certain people around that we weren't too happy about. >> and the circumstances leading up to his death, i know for legal reasons we can't get into too much of this but were you guys concerned about what was happening in his life? the build up to the tour 50 dates the energy he puts into the show. >> i was wondering how he was going to do 50 dates.

i said if he is going to do that we can give him some help. >> jackie wanted to get up on stage. >> did you feel he was okay? himself? >> yeah. he was very fine. i think you have to pace yourself. i don't know if he was -- you know being rushed to make sure that the time was coming to get rushed into things. but health wise he was fine. >> what do you feel, tito about conrad murray? >> i feel like we're supposed to have forgiving hearts doesn't mean i have to forget. >> do you forgive him? >> sure. i am supposed to. >> no. >> you don't? >> i don't feel that way at all. >> what do you feel? >> i feel like it's just negligence and it's on his part plus others and we're yet to know what really, really

happened. but i'm not -- i'm a forgiving person but not when it comes to that. >> tito, how can you forgive him? >> i'm not saying i'm not upset about what happened. but i can't go around angry and upset and want to get revenge and all these things like that. you know, things happen and i'm made to forgive. so i have to forgive. it doesn't mean i have to forget. i haven't forgot what happened. it hurts me dearly. there are terrible things done, absolutely. but i have to forgive. i can't be angry. >> you know, that's interesting. i interviewed a number of conrad murray's patients who all defended him to the hilt. the impression i got is that he got off on a massive payday and it may have clouded his judgment, a judgment that until then had been very sound and that something just went wrong with him. and he was cutting corners and

doing stuff with michael he shouldn't have been doing in a private home. that is how it seemed to me. >> i agree with that. there is so much we can talk about when it comes to this. >> that's not all of it. it's just the beginning. >> i will say this and i think my brothers will concur. you know, as time goes on, it's a little healing but there's a void that will always be in your heart because your brother is not here any more. >> but it has to be a huge void because he was -- you know you all loved your brother. to the rest of the world he was michael jackson the superstar. to you guys he was your little brother in the end. nothing can change that. that is your feeling to him. >> people look at michael as the superstar but to us he was just our brother.

>> and he is a big superstar. >> he is. >> how did you feel about the trials and tribulations he went there? the accusations? the molestation charge? did it have a bad impact on him? >> yes. >> yes, it did. >> definitely. >> i think what we do here on planet earth is that we are too quick to judge. i think the lord put us on the earth to love one another not to judge one another. that's his job the do. when you leave the planet you will be judged on what you have done for others and not for ridiculing people and things of that nature. that's what we do wrong. >> let's take a break and let's talk about the tour and happier things with michael and the kind of music you will be playing and your favorite jackson songs. i have a long list myself. but i want to find which one you would choose. >> and we want to know your favorite. >> we'll be right back. we asked the furlow family to bring in their favorite dvds

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tour in 1984 performing "shake your body" that is my favorite jackson song. >> "shake your body"? >> i have shaken my body all over the world in a terrible fashion. even in the commercial breaks you just great mates. despite everything you have been through. i have been looking at these tortured men. you are supposed to be the most dysfunctional family out there. you are no more dysfunctional than any family i know. you laugh when you hear that. but laugh when -- >> it makes you laugh. >> here i see four brothers that get along great. >> they don't know us. >> anything weird. >> he is the funniest guy in the

world right here. this guy right here. >> right here. >> do you ever have arguments? >> of course. of course. >> when is the last time you physically fought? >> we don't fight like that. >> you don't do that? >> we might put on boxing gloves. >> who would win? >> i would. >> me. >> you all say you win. let's cut to the real story, the favorite jackson song? >> i like the old stuff like "i want you back" the motown stuff. >> you can only have one song. >> you can only have one song. >> one song? "i want you back." >> "i'll be there." >> since jackie took one of mine i'm going to say -- go to jermaine. >> you're going to say the same thing i say. go. go. >> i like "maybe tomorrow." ". >> great call. >> no. "never can say good-bye."

>> there's so many to choose from. are we going to hear these on the tour? >> oh, yes. >> all the hits? >> every single tune. we're very excited, piers, because there are so many songs. there's songs that -- my god, that we know like looking through the windows that we performed with michael and now we're doing it now. >> let me ask you about this. how are you going to commemorate michael on tour in terms of the actual tour, do you think? >> i don't think you really can. michael is the best -- the pictures and there will be songs. >> the hologram thing is a rumor, but not true? >> a rumor. >> jackie started this thing. >> no, i didn't. >> yes, you did. >> a hologram with michael, i said no, but maybe later on there will be something like that. it was all over in the newspapers that there would be a

hologram with michael on it. >> you started all that? >> he started all that. >> but one thing for sure, he will be there with you guys in spirit. it will be an incredibly moving experience. you have announced three shows at the moment. june 18, louisville, kentucky. june 28, new york at the apollo. i'm coming to that. always good to see you. i want to be there for that. and 22 and of july, los angeles >> can we bring you on the stage? >> yes. >> can we bring you on the stage to shake your body? >> yes! now you're talking. best of luck with the tour. >> thank you. >> it will be very exciting. a lot of fans can't wait to see this. glad to see you not looking very dysfunctional. i appreciate you coming in. good luck. >> we want to tell the fans out there we love them and thank you for supporting our family. >> they can come and see you in action. which they'll love. guys, thank you very much.

jacksons. a great interview. on monday night i sit down with their mother, katherine jackson. an exclusive and extraordinarily emotional hour with the woman who knew michael jackson better than anybody else. here's what she said about his death. will you ever get over this, do you think? >> never. every morning, all through the day, i think about michael. if i wake up through the night, my mind is there. but -- >> what do you think when you think of him? >> i just miss him, but being a christian and believing in the resurrection, i feel that i'll see him again. i'm sorry. i just -- >> it's perfectly understandable. you're his mother. it -- i can't imagine a worse

thing. i'm a parent myself. i can't even imagine how horrendous it must be to lose a child. it's so unnatural, isn't it? >> yes, it is. and i've -- and it should be -- >> katherine jackson also makes explosive charges about conrad murray convicted of involuntary manslaughter in michael jackson's death. what are your feelings to conrad murray? do you blame him? >> you know what? i can't even describe the way i feel about him. he did a terrible thing. and it might have been others involved. i don't know that. but i feel that. you know, i'd rather not answer that question. the only thing he did -- for a

person's life, four years in jail is not enough. >> that's my world exclusive interview with catholic jackson on monday night. coming up. only in america. what's number two we wanna do? bring it up to 90 decatherms. how bout ya, joe? let's go ahead and bring it online. attention on site, attention on site. now starting unit nine. some of the world's cleanest gas turbines are now powering some of america's biggest cities. siemens. answers. the health of our cells plays a key role throughout our entire lives. ♪ one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin, designed for many of men's health concerns as we age. ♪ it has more of seven antioxidants to support cell health. that's one a day men's 50+ healthy advantage.

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which make we despair. like nearly 3 million other young teenage boys and girls, madison is saying good-bye to high school and embarking on a brave new world. what does she really want? for graduation gift from her parents, to see her on her way? breast implants. yep, you heard me. fake cleavage. most parents would have been appalled by such a request. but not madison's parents. they were so thrilled, they couldn't wait to get their little girl the surgery. here she is captured in lurid detail, thanks to a large dose of silicone, watched by her beaming, proud mother, tanya. >> it's something she felt really strongly about and, you know, she's 18, it's her body and so we're willing to support her decision.

>> you'll be unsurprised to learn that tanya herself got breast implants when she was 24. brett the father meanwhile says it will enhance his daughter's self-image. really, sir? maybe there's a simpler, cheaper, kinder route to achieving that same goal. like you and tanya looking madison squarely in the eye and telling her you look absolutely beautiful and perfect in every way. don't change a single thing. or perhaps for madison's parents if this is too complicated to understand, i should pay for your both to have brain implants. that's all for us tonight. "ac 360" starts now. good evening, everyone. we have breaking news tonight. 10:00 on the east coast. the manhunt for adam mayes,