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to be president than being a plumber. it doesn't -- and, by the way, there are a lot of awful smart plumbers. all kidding aside, it's not the same job requirement. so, it's totally legitimate for the president to point this out. >> this comes as a new ad from president obama highlights the, quote, real people who were affected by bain capital, that private equity company that mitt romney ran for 15 years. take a look at that ad. >> makes me angry. those guys were all rich. they all had more money that they'll ever spend, yet they didn't have the money to take care of the very people that made the money for them. >> the other side former managing director at bain capital makes his case for the company's brand of free market capitalism in his new book which is called "unintended consequences, why everything you've been told about the economy is wrong." ed's given at least $1 million to the super pac that supports
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mitt romney. so nice for you to come and talk to us. >> thank you for having me. >> you were born in detroit, and you went to harvard business school, and you left to go to work for bain capital, and how much do you think you are worse off today, $100 million, give me a rough number. >> my middle-class parents told me not to talk about money. >> am i close? >> i'll let you guess. >> i'll go with $100 million or so, you ran bain company's new york office, you were managing director, that's the focus of the campaign obviously, we were showing clips of ads sort of going back and forth. part of the argument is people in some way, you know, like you private equity people are out of touch with the regular folks that president obama likes to put in their ads, regular people that did the work and weren't taken care of, do -- and i guess the thing by extension so is mitt romney. do ul think that that -- why is
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that not a fair argument? you say it's not true in your book. >> i think business leaders play a critical role in growing the economy and helping to create jobs and making the united states successful as it's been relative to europe or japan, the idea that they wouldn't make great leaders for our country is a little farfetched. >> but you think they make good job creators, because right now the focus of private equity and i guess has always been making money, not necessarily creating jobs, right? >> well, i think that it's half true that companies and bain capital work for investors, but more importantly, they work for customers and you can't be successful with investors if you aren't successful with customers. what you are doing is trying to make companies stronger and make them grow faster, and we created a lot of employment relative to jam and europe. >> you argue in your book that the superrich is very good for the middle-class. how is that so? >> well, i make an argument that the economy has changed
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significantly from the 1950s. that was the era of big business where we were capitalizing on the value of mass produced goods like cars, you need big companies to process them, the oil industry, you got to pave millions of miles of road, you have to put 250 million cars on the road. today two people can create instagram and $2 billion of value in a year. it's much more entrepreneurial economy than the 1950s where individuals didn't matter, and risk taking and the payoffs for risk take ig matter a lot more than the 1950s where funding large scale investment with risk averse savings, as opposed to equity which is much more needed and in is that right plsupply. you got to apply economics differently today than you would in the 1950s. >> there are some people who would look at the system today and would say as the rich get more and more rich, the middle-class as we well know is disappearing, so we've seen some of this tremendous increase in
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what the -- your average very super wealthy person is making and yet the middle-class is being constricted and shrinking. >> identify think that's a common misperception, the distribution around the median income is very tight and hasn't changed that much over time. if you really make a comparison to, say, europe, the risk takers as represented by the payoff for the successful risk takers, the 1% if you will to use the slang, is much higher than it is in europe and japan. our risk takers are producing way more innovation, google, facebook, intel, microsoft, apple, i mean, the list goes on and on. and if you look at our middle-class relative to europe or japan i think at worse they're the same. and if you really dig into the numbers i think they're substantially better. for example, we created 40 million jobs since the 1980s, mid-1980s on a base of 100 million employees, that's a 40% increase in employment. europe and japan combined are in the 15% to 20% range. we brought 20 million immigrants in. we provided them jobs.
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we educated their children. we put tens of millions of people to work offshore. i think it's hard to make the argument that no other high-wage economy has done more for the working class and poor than the u.s. economy has. >> and there's people that looked at the income breakdown and talked about how the number of minorities and women how their wages have increased and if you look at white men, they have not, and they average the numbers out, and they take exception to the numbers in your book. my question would be this, you argue in the book, that there is sort of this level playing field and for many americans they feel it's not level. when you are talking about the super rich, it's not the risk taking, the deck is stacked against them, for example, in the form of lobbyists. i take lipitor, i pay much more than if i ran across the border to buy it, and that's because there's a lobby to ensure that it's brought in by the pharmaceutical corporations that want to make sure that prices
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are kept at a certain level. they have a connection with congress, it's not to help me or anybody else buying lipitor or anybody else in the middle-class they want to make sure that the pharmaceutical companies make a lot of money and keep their money, isn't that true? it's sort of an unfair, uneven playing field. >> we would all agree that we have to guard against any sort of rent seeking on the part of political interest groups when it comes to our government. we got to guard against it is every possible way we can and it's always a risk -- >> but that's lobbying in general. >> when you look at the micro you see a lot of lobbying going on back and forth between all sorts of different groups. when you step up to the macro, let's look at the two most important issues, taxes, in the u.s. the top 1% is paying a much higher percentage of the taxes than europe and japan, if you look at government services, europe is providing more government services and they are doing more by taxing the middle-class and not the top 1%. it's hard to make the argument for the two most important issues we're fighting about in
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this campaign season, taxes and jobs, it's hard to say that we are not doing it better than europe and japan. >> do you think that people talking about income inequality are wrong headed? mitt romney was asked about it by matt lauer of nbc. i'll play it and then talk to you on the other side. >> i think it's about class warfare, when you have a president encouraging dividing america on the 1% and the 99%, you have opened a whole new wave of the country which is intirely inconsistent on the one nation under god, i believe in the final analysis will reject it. >> are there no fair -- >> do you think that that's true that the conversation about income inequality is really one where it's the 99%, the people who are not in the superrich category are really just
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envious? >> well, i wouldn't use the word envious. i guess i think the best of people, so i don't want to think -- i don't like to think that. but i would say this, that if you don't see that the economy has changed from the 1950s to where it is today, very much based on risk taking and innovation, you scratch your head and wonder why income inequality has increased and if you don't see the reason why then you start to come up with other reasons and you say, well, geez, maybe it's a fortuitous aligning of the stars which has allowed the top 1% to get more income today than they would have in the past. you don't see the underlying economics. >> or maybe there's a sort of nonlevel playing field, that the wealthier are allowed to become wealthier -- i think people feel this way, there are certain regulations in congress, sometimes it's the tax system, that help the wealthier keep their money and make more middle whereas the middle class at the same time feel they are being squeezed and they are not helped by the very congress that they worked to elect? >> and i gave you a different interpretation, in most cases we
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find as a whole the top 1% here is earning and producing more of the united states than they are in europe and japan. we have a very rich set of unrealized investment opportunities. i go back to google, facebook, intel, you name it, and all of that innovation has come from the united states. europe and japan stand in stark contrast. and so when you see this difference between today and the 1950s, i think you're really asking the question which is do we need these high payoffs to motivate the risk taking that's producing innovation and when we look at the micro example when state lotteries go up, for example, we know that people start buying a lot of tickets. when internet values rose in 2000 we know a lot of people walked away from their jobs to create jobs. and we know when the real estate prices rose in 2006, 2007, a lot of entrepreneurs started working on fixing up real estate to try to make money, so we know the payoffs do motivate increased risk taking and if the u.s. -- if europe and japan had produced a similar level of innovation with much lower payoff we
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certainly wouldn't be having this debate about whether the payoffs are necessary. but we stand in stark contrast to europe and japan. >> you're arguing for the 1% in a world that's having kind of i think -- a country in an election is having a fight over the 1% versus the 99%. a lot of people don't see him on wall street, three don't want to see the protesters on occupy wall street. they don't think it's a good thing to be part of the 1%. do you think his book could hurt him politically? >> i think there's always a risk. coming on tv, it's a risk for bain, it's a risk for mitt, it's a risk for me. but i can tell you this when serious economists have read my book, on the left and the right, and nuri ouriel roubini, he agr it's seriously and thought provoking and well considered explanation of the economy even though he disagrees with it. >> and the political question, i get you.
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thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me soledad. let's get to the top stories. >> a woman undergoing a mental evaluation this morning after causing a body bomb scare on an international flight. the woman was on board a us airways' flight from paris to north carolina yesterday when she claimed to have a device surgically implanted in her body. claimed this in a note she gave to a flight attendant, flighter jets got scrambled and the flight was diverted to bangor, maine, where the woman was taken off that plane. >> they called for a doctor and the doctor took her back to the back of the plane. she came up again and went back to the back of the plane and the pilot came back with her and the next thing we knew they were saying we were making a stop and we were down within minutes. i've been flying my whole life, i've never been from that altitude to landing that quickly. >> federal officials say doctors on board checked her out, found no recent scars. they say they did not pose a threat and, again, psych evaluation under way. morgan stanley subpoenaed
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over the facebook ipo, the state of massachusetts issuing that subpoena after reuters reported that morgan stanley shared a negative revenue outlook with its clients right before the social networking company went public. morgan stanley was the chief underwriter for the ipo and insists it followed all the required procedures. are we about to fall off a fiscal cliff? the congressional budget office says that's exactly what will happen if trillions of dollars in tax hikes and spending cutting take effect as scheduled next year. they say if congress doesn't act, the u.s. economy will be pushed back into recession. that includes letting the bush tax cuts expire, the alternative minimum tax exemption for the middle-class and the trillion dollars of spending cuts and pay cuts for medicare doctors. egypt's future being watched closely by the u.s. and israel this morning. egyptians are heading to the polls right now to elect their first president since the fall of hosni mubarak and the 30 years of dictatorship, it's
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really the first free elections in the country's 5,000 yeerms of years. we're about to tell you the winner of "dancing with the stars." >> donald and pita! >> i didn't give you much time to turn away, did you, football star donald driver takes home the crystal ball trophy, he and his partner wowed the judges with their country-themed freestyle scoring a ten. the green bay packers wide receiver was a bit of an underdog heading into the final. the judge favorite welsh opera singer katherine jenkins came in second. i'm not a breathless follower of "dancing with the stars." >> would you do that show? >> absolutely not. >> really? i thought you would say absolutely. i would do it. >> seriously? you have to be away from your family. >> you wouldn't do "dancing with the stars" because you might get shinsplints? >> i don't like pain, soledad.
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i don't like pain. >> just for the record, i'd do it in a hot second. yeah, i can dance, come on! thanks, christine. still ahead on "starting point," a man, a zebra and a mccaw walk into a bar, actually there's no punch line, that really happened. it's one of the strangest dui stops ever to tell you about. that's coming up. and what exactly happened in the prostitution scandal in south america? more details being revealed as some of the secret service agents are fighting to get their jobs back. senator ron johnson is investigating, he'll join us list. from his play list, that's george harrison "while my guitar gently weeps." we're back right after this. ♪ every mistake we must surely be learning ♪ neutrogena® ultra sheer provides unbeatable uva uvb protection and while other sunscreens can feel greasy ultra sheer® is clean and dry. it's the best for your skin. ultra sheer®. neutrogena®.
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scapegoats and they don't deserve to lose their jobs. the four agents are among 12 accused of having paid for sex while prepping for president obama's trip to colombia and they say they're take the fall for things that were long tolerated in what people would call the secret circus. the secret service director will be testifying before the homeland security committee. wisconsin senator ron johnson is on that committee and he joins us from capitol hill this morning, good morning, sir, thank you for join us. what do you want to ask the secret service director? >> i want to find out how pervasive this kind of culture and at teed titude is in the se service. it's one of the most respected agencies in our government. they've done phenomenal work. i think director mark sullivan is highly respected here in washington. i've had a meeting with him. he seems very sincere. wants to get to bottom of this thing, the revelations this morning, again, would indicate
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it may be a little bit larger cultural problem than what was first indicated. >> do you see it, then, as a failure of his leadership specifically? >> we'll have to investigate this. i think we're getting our arms around this particular incident that occurred in cartagena, colombia, over the course of five days, three separate incidents, so he's getting to the bottom of that. but with the new revelations it's too early to tell. we just might need a totally separate investigation from a totally independent body. >> his remarks we know because he sent us a preview of his remarks. he'll say this, at the time the misconduct occurred none of the individuals involved in the misconduct had received any sort of protected information, sensitive security documents, firearms, radios, or other security related equipment in their hotel rooms. in other words, really, ultimately there was nothing at risk. is that a good enough answer for you? >> no, it isn't. because, i mean, the problem really is when agents expose themselves and become vulnerable
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to coercion, blackmail, they just become vulnerable and that's what's so incredibly important. there are plenty of rules already in place that should have prevented this. anytime a secret service agent comes into contact with a foreign national outside of his duties, he should be reporting that immediately when he returns to his, you know, home base and that didn't occur in this case either. so, we really need to get to the bottom, is it a cultural problem, is it more pervasive. it's a very serious issue. >> as i was mentioning in the introduction to you, some are saying it is cultural, and before any sort of big deployment what you could do is go out and act a little bit crazy, it's cultural, and they are fighting back for their jobs. do you think they deserve their jobs back if, in fact, it was culturally okay within the secret service? >> i would say no, but we need to find out whether it is part of the culture. you know, i heard a little bit, it's a little bit more of an
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attitude, you know, what goes on in las vegas stays in las vegas. that's just totally unacceptable and, you know, what i want to do is we need to get to the bottom of this thing. not to go on a witch hunt but really find out is the secret service secure so that we certainly know, you know, the people they are protecting are secure. again, it's a very serious situation here. we need to get to the bottom of this thing. and what i want to make sure is that we don't have a drip, drip, drip, you know, of incident after incident coming over in the next number of months. we need to get to the bottom of this now. find out what the problem is. fix it and move on. >> or maybe what goes on in cartagena, stays in cartagena, was the philosophy. thank you for joining us, senator ron johnson. >> appreciate it. still ahead at "starting point" a groom jilted at the altar decides to sue the bride-to-be. there they are, headed in to talk about that and much more. and, by the way, roland's play list, parliament, wow!
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south central kansas, harper county, and they -- he's a bull rider. she's a barrel racer. >> beautiful. >> and in the photos, i don't know if you can see in the upper left-hand corner, there are tornadoing raging in the background. they actually had the ceremony outside and watched the tornadoes during the ceremony. they chased tornadoes and this is something that they do so they thought it was appropriate that the tornadoes are in the background of their wedding photos. striking photos. >> just curious, were there any guests at the wedding? >> there were 80 guests. >> and a photographer that was cool about this. >> the photographer is brand-new in the photography bils of weddings. it's the fifth one. it's all downhill from here. >> roland, what you got? >> the story, you have it there. the guy who is suing the woman who has left him at the altar twice. i'm with him. take her to the bank.
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anytime we see the stories -- >> the breakdown is hilarious on this story. >> i say take her to the cleaners! >> his name is steven silverstein and his fiancee is kendra lee. >> they broke up once, he left her at the altar once, and 15 months later he decided to take her bank, and she did it again. i want a deposit on the ring -- >> go after everything. >> he wants half of the deposit for the wedding band. he wants half of the money for the deejay. >> right. >> he wants $3,000 for the wedding videographer and the furniture, oh, my goodness. we have time to get to will's, what you got? >> yesterday we did a story about ipads and my wife and i have been so proud because my oldest son, 4 years old, you give him a construction paper and a pair of scissors, he'll make a coffeemaker. this kid can tinker -- he's like macgyver.
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♪ and welcome back to "starting point." let's begin with christine romans, a look at the day's headlines. hey, good morning. >> good morning, soledad. former first lady nancy reagan is slowly recovering from broken ribs this morning. the announcement was made yesterday at the reagan presidential library in simi valley where she was expected to attend a speech. mrs. reagan suffered the injury in a fall at her home six weeks ago. the former first lady is 90 years old. strong winds are fueling a wildfire in northern nevada. it's already destroyed several homes. officials say the tre fire has grown to nearly 3,500 acres and continues to spread. hundreds of homes and structures along with utility lines are being threatened. u.s. stock futures pointing to a lower open. dow futures down about 80 points. concerns that greece may exit the euro zone pushing down
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markets overseas. apple with some competition. california tv maker vizio plans to introduce a new line of stylish computers next month including two ultrathin notebook devines, vizio says the computers will be simple to set up and rival mac computers while operating on a microsoft windows system. a scary scene in china, that's a 3-year-old boy driving his toy motorcycle right smack in the middle of rush-hour traffic. oh, when the bus goes by, your heart stops. he was not hurt believe it or not with buses and cars whizzing by. a police officer spots the little guy and was able to rescue him. according to police the grandfather was watching the 3-year-old, the little boy wandered into the busy intersection when his grandfather stopped to go to the bathroom. a parrot on his shoulder and a pet zebra in the back seat and we're not telling a joke. that's what police in dubuque, iowa, were met with when they met with john rider to arrest him for the dui.
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he said, hey, the parrot and the zebra were part of the family. >> we treat them like our kids. they come in the house, we take them outside, or take them for walks. we take them for car rides. they go when we get the mail with me. >> the couple says they brought their pets to the doghouse bar, not kidding, because animals are usually allowed in. the dui part, yeah, that's where it gets a little more -- >> there are so many crazy things about that story, the zebra, the hall tter on the zeb like it's a horse. the doghouse bar. >> i'm just saying right there -- >> that's not even the shocking part of that story, all right. >> they're a little special. >> thank you, christine. >> a little special. let's turn to egypt now, history is being made if you take a look, you'll see cairo where for the first time it's a live shot, first time in roughly 5,000 years egyptians have started picking their president and it was obviously a very long road to this point. you might remember a year and a
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half ago back in january of 2011 there were these rare anti-government protests that were inspired by an uprising in tunisia, a month after that protesters were able to achieve one of their goals, president hosni mubarak stepped down after being in office 30 years. and then in late march egyptian voters overwhelmingly approved constitutional amendments that would pave the way for parliamentary and presidential elections. one of the worst weeks for the protesters came in november of 2011 when cairo's tahir square, 35 people were killed, more than 3,000 people were wounded. didn't stop the movement, though, and by january of 2012, parliamentary election results were announced and two islamist parties won the 70% of seats in the lower house. so, today a dozen candidates are vying to lead egypt into its next chapter and joining us from cairo is republican dave dwyer is joining us from cairo. he's there because he's an official election monitor.
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hi, sir, thank you for being with us. the voting will continue through tomorrow, how would you describe how it's going? >> let me first say that the title of your show, soledad, is the best description of what's going on in egypt. it really is a starting point here. i had a surreal experience. i came in and looked at the river that's right behind me, the famous river nile, and i saw a huge placard of a campaign sign lit up in the dark, and i thought to myself, this is the first time that a campaign sign would have gone right up the nile here in cairo, egypt, and no one knows who is going to win this election. i've been here for a few days, and i've been traveling around, and i've been to numerous voting stations today. and there are a wide range of views. but it's an exciting time. and i will tell you, it's inspiring for me as an american as i know it would be for any american or any freedom-loving person around the world to be
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able to see the fact that 80-year-old people -- i just talked, soledad, to an 80-year-old man a few minutes ago to looked to me with tears coming down his face, and he said, finally, egypt is born. and so this is really the vision. i heard you mention mrs. reagan. this is the vision that ronald reagan put forward to encourage self-determination and i will say it's happening in this countcu country and it's very uplifting. >> you said there are 12 candidates but there are four that people are talking about, being potential winners, moussa, mor morsi, and fatullah and fatique who people are talking about. is there one candidate that the united states would like to see running egypt right now? >> well, i can tell you that i know as freedom-loving people we want the people of egypt to make the decision. who is going to be their leader.
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it's obviously we've had a roller-coaster ride certainly since january 25th when the revolution started last year. we've had challenges. i was here for the pir limitary elections, the first round, november 28th and 29th. and, you know, we -- no one knows how it's going to come out but the people of egypt will make that decision. and i know that this administration and those of us in the united states congress look forward to working with whoever is chosen by the people of egypt. because this is a very important, strategic relationship we've had for a long% of ti long period of time and it's not been an easy one, but, again, having democracy and the people making this choice will facilitate what i hope will be even a better relationship between egypt and the united states. commercial ties are very important, soledad, i've introduced in congress calling for an egypt/u.s. free trade agreement so we can break down barriers for the free flow of goods and services. but 2 million jobs have been
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lost since february 11th last year when hosni mubarak left office and they need to get this economy growing. and the apac is important, but i'd like to see it done through commercialization rather than -- >> i know it's something that you'll be watching, as it continues tomorrow morning. david dreier joining us. >> it's a starting point. >> i'll allow you to use your title, sir, for that, i'm willing to share today. >> happy to lend it to you. >> exactly. happy to do that. thank you for your time. appreciate it. it's interesting when i asked him about who does the u.s. want to see of the four main candidates that most people are talking about he did i think a fairly political answer of anyone they elect. there are obviously huge u.s. interests behind all this, and i'm curious, and, you know, he talked about strategic pre relationsh relationships, what do you think? >> i think we would like to see
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amre moussa, versus the islamist party representatives which there are two. we would not like to see egypt to head the way of iran. we'll work to ensure that. >> one thing to stress it's their country and they have the right to choose who they want to choose. oftentimes in american history we spend a lot of time discussing what our interests are. that's egypt. >> but to ignore that we have interests in the region and specifically in egypt is i think incredibly -- >> no, we have interests, but they have a greater interest with their country. i simply recognize how this country has gotten into the affairs of many other countries. their country, they get to choose. >> of course, they get to choose but there are strategic interests and we do have an interest of hoping and facilitating and hoping a secular society develops civil institutions. there's a question if it goes the islamist route and picks a leader more embedded with islamist and radical factions it's not good for the stability of the entire region let alone
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the world. americans have an interest for sure. i agree with you, though, amre moussa is the best bet on the ticket. >> they won't be talking about it for another full day as they continue to watch the elections unfold. still ahead on "starting point," a transgendered athlete competing for a spot on the u.s. olympic team. identifies with men, but started as a woman. are we relying on technology instead of our brains? it's dumbing down society according to some. >> i'll take a contrarian position on this. >> as per usual. >> shocker. shocker. >> that's straight ahead on "starting point." every communications provider is different but centurylink is committed to being a different kind of communications company. ♪
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killen gosdey a two-time national champion in hammer throw, 16-time all-american in track and field and right now he's working to make it to the london olympics in the summer, but what makes the story stand out is killen wasn't always killen, he was kelly, he was born a female and now killen identifies as male.
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his story and the challenges that he and other transgendered athletes face is detailed in the may 2012 issue of "sports illustrated," and joining me are the two gentlemen that wrote the story. nice to have you both with us. born a woman, killen identifies as a man but is competing as a woman. is that because of the hormonal issues that come as transgender person makes the transition which killen is not doing? >> that's why keelin is able to continue competing as a woman. biologically nothing has changed about keelin since birth. there are rules in place that allow an athlete to switch the jenlder they are competing under. keelin is not doing that and nothing biologically has changed about keelin. >> and it's how he identifies. >> and i think the key thing there is biologically because in other ways everything has changed about how keelin sees himself. >> that's right. and keelin is actually waiting. as soon as the olympic competition is done and the
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trials are done or fingers crossed, the games, keelin is going to be transitioning medically, taking testosterone for the first time and her athletic career as a woman will end officially. it's a big couple of months. >> the governing bodies draw the line the level of hormones, the testosterone levels, how do they draw the line who is male and female come petter? >> and what are the rules at the olympics for people who are transgendered. >> there's not much known about the athletes so the international olympic committee which first made rules in '04 requires surgical transition as well as hormone therapy for two years. the ncaa the college governing body decided that you don't need surgery, that your genitals do, but your hormones do, you need one year of hormone therapy. there's no uniformity across the world. some bodies have drawn it at hormone levels and others at surgery and hormones. >> you saw it with the south african runner and that generated a huge amount of
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controversy because all of a sudden it was, well, does she have an unfair advantage -- >> is it cheating. >>-- all of that going back and forth. >> and does it change in keelin's case because she's biologicalical icallly identifi as a he, but if you are a biological man that transitions to be a woman, do you have an advantage physically and in other ways? >> that's the big question, obviously. the question is going from male to female, because you bring that breadth of physical male advantages over female athletes, that's why we sort of divide the sports between men and women. but the south african runner is actually a bit different but obviously the biggest base of sort of that nexus of gender in sports, but, you're right, hormone therapy is really what scientifically has been isolated as the creator of most of the advantages competitively athletic, in athletics for men. >> in terms of standardizing
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practices, my understanding is that keelin when he got to bates college decided and was able to pursue self-identifying as a man and bates college actually helped him and worked through the setting up some standards and practices for other lgbt and transgendered individuals. where does it stand now? are there standards in colleges? >> the ncaa had a think tank and issued guidelines for colleges. this is a big topic, it's going to be one of the prime topics on college campuses this summer once they have the time and put the school year behind them, review the rules. the schools in the big east, syracuse, cal berkeley, they're starting to implement transgendered rules and it's not without difficulties. keelin ended up in his own locker room that sort of was okay but took the captain away from the team which wasn't ideal, so there are tricky issues as well. >> and keelin can be a role model if he makes it through the
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olympics, competing as a woman but identifying as a man, to put a face on an issue that people are confused about and have a lot of questions as well. >> the culture is shifting behind keelin and hopefully it moves further. >> nice to have you, thanks for joining us. we certainly appreciate it. ahead this morning on "starting point," would you be able to survive in a world without spell-check? no, i would not. some say we hope not according to a new study. we'll give you a little spelling test straight ahead. when you call 911, you certainly 911, you expect a dispatcher to answer and expect them to be alert and helpful. in one case an operator fell asleep in the middle of the emergency call and started snoring. in the middle of the emergency call. the sense of urgency was not there. we'll tell you what happened there. you're watching "starting point." short break. back in a moment. [ thunk ]
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>> hold on. hold on. >> you don't know the black crows? >> i've heard of them. not making my ipod list. >> picking new stuff, will. >> this new report i want to get to says that spelling has become a lost art. i think we all know that. the reason is because we all have smartphones and spell-check is making us more stupid. the new york daily news -- moving on. i'm an english major. 25 random people got a simple -- you laugh now. just wait people. simple spelling test. told them they couldn't use spell-check. only nine people were able to
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get the right answers spelling. we'll put you guys to the test. ready? now who is not laughing. margaret, spell definitely for me. >> i always get this one wrong. >> can i write it? >> any way you want. >> you missed the whole middle section of that word. you would get it wrong. >> roland martin, separate. spell it. spell it. he got that right. >> are you ready? for will cain we're going to give you raywendsun. >> i'm going to go with b on multiple choice here.
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>> where is laughter. i said something wrong. >> let me make my contrarian argument. >> she got definitely wrong. >> i didn't know it was multiple choice. >> i love margaret's strategy. blame the test. >> if you look at the amount of time people now spend typing versus writing i would suggest spell-check is useful and spelling may become obsolete and if spell as a tool are memorization, they remember everything they sign into. >> that was blame the test and society. >> isn't technology intended to improve our lives and our efficiency? >> it's not to make us dumb. >> it's not making us dumb. it is -- >> listen, we don't need to be able to spell well. my husband hasn't been able to
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spell for years. he goiogles things. >> moving on, no one is laughing at me now. investors misled about facebook. we'll tell you why the federal government is investigating social media giant now. a flight diverted. did you hear this story. a woman claiming she has a device sewn inside her body. the passengers describe what was a pretty frantic scene some 35,000 feet up in the sky. we'll tell you what happened. you're watching "starting point." back in just a moment. [ mechanical humming ]
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our "starting point" this morning, facebook stock tanking. even mark zuckerberg is selling. a major bank is accused of possibly hanging investors out to dry.
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a pastor's call to put gay people in something that sounds very much like a concentration camp with an electric fence. extreme words from a man who claims to be a man of god. some are defending him. we'll tell you what he said. a woman in panic calls 911. her husband is sick. she hears this. >> hold on one second. let me try to get them on the line again. >> okay. >> that would be the sounds of the dispatcher snoring in the middle of her husband's emergency. we'll tell you what happened there as well. it's wednesday, may 23rd and "starting point" begins right now. ♪ >> margaret is denying this song. >> i mean i like it but --
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>> the kingsmen, louie, louie. it says margaret's playlist and she's denying it. it is now. welcome, everybody. let me tell everyone who is on the panel right now. margaret hoover who cannot spell, author author of "american individualism." roland martin with us as well host of washington wash with roland martin and will cain -- would you stop. seriously. stop. and also we just rolled right by you. will cain from blaze.com. our "starting point" this morning, subpoenas have been sent, investigations launched this morning into what was a messy ipo of facebook. according to reuters, the state of massachusetts is now looking for answers about possible insider information. sent subpoenaing out to see if morgan stanley lowered revenue guidance for facebook before it went public but only informed
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bigger clients and not investors. the company issued this statement saying that morgan stanley followed the same procedures for facebook offering that it follows for all ipos. these procedures are in compliance with all applicable regulations. and the group that self-regulates wall street also laumpging an investigation. facebook shares have dropped 18% from last week's original offering price which is bad news on several fronts. nice to have you, christine romans, joining to us talk about this. let's talk about the investigations first. s.e.c., we know the financial regulatory commission as well and the state of massachusetts. why are they looking into wrongdoing? >> they're trying to find out what morgan stanley knew inside or what they were telling their top clients inside and whether they told everyone and morgan stanley says it did nothing wrong here. we all knew, we knew that revenue was slowing for this company. that's something the company facebook itself had said in a regulatory filing. you had a lot of people on the
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street going back and sharpening pencils saying this is not a great time for facebook to be showing us that revenue is slowing a bit at a time. they are trying to go public. >> any wrongdoing would be if morgan stanley was telling its big investors they valued one thing but smaller investors with friends they have in on the facebook deal and not making it public to them. >> that's what they are looking into. morgan stanley saying that did not happen. it did not happen. it's all based on -- not just analyst inside morgan stanley saying i think their revenue is going to slow. it's because the company said their revenue was coming in lighter than they thought. it was public information they were making this call on. who did they make the call to is what everyone will check out now. >> you have folks upset they put out so many shares and so explain that because the person at home is saying you put out more shares -- >> they thought there would be less access to shares and people had more shares.
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>> that started happening late thursday. brokers said we're up. we're up. people don't want anymore than we've offered them and there were more shares to go. you make a good point. look at where stock is trading right now, it's at the beginning range that we first heard of that facebook would put forward. somewhere in there facebook and banker got involved in their own hype about how much demand and value of this stock and priced a lot of shares at the very high end and the public just didn't want that many. >> the graphic of facebook is 38 to 42 and then it's been like this down to 31 today. >> don't you think it will recover eventually? >> it is hard to say. you look at groupon and other ones that went public and they've been sort of struggling along. i think that every time they buy a company or they make some sort of a strategic hiring -- what are they going to do with the money they made. they made $18 billion. what are they going to do with that money? every time there's a press release about what they done with that money, that could move the stock.
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bottom line is you have 420 million shares. i likened it on the day of the ipo that you have 420 million shares. it's very hard. it takes time. it looks ugly. it's cascading set of errors. >> people who have been waiting to become millionaires are going to sell their shares. >> a lot of paper millionaires in 90 days. you'll see them selling shares. >> isn't just the appropriate conclusion regarding this entire facebook story that there are no conclusions and we don't know what facebook is worth. we don't know what future business will be like and if ipo is right or if current price is right. we're analyzing things -- >> it's stock market 101. >> it's stock market value waat
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over a two-week period. >> sometimes looking back, things turned out not too work out so well. >> this is why we say ipos are risky. this is why it's hard before the ipo individual investors complained it was hard for them to get shares. after the ipo individual investors saying why wasn't i protected. ipos are risky. we don't have a track record of the company. >> they wanted a sure bet. they wanted a sure bet. they didn't get a sure bet and now they are sitting here complaining. >> they wanted hype to be real. >> they want the sure bet. >> it's also a crisis for social media companies. they change their life but can they make money off of them? people who know facebook say this is so big it changed the whole world. it must be a good investment. investments and life changing social media aren't necessarily the same thing. >> conventional wisdom is you should purchase what you know. many people who use facebook and like facebook say, okay, i know it.
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i like it. i use it. i shall purchase it. >> it's not about social media exclusively. doesn't warren buffett say you could have done more if they sat on the beaches of kitty hawk and the american airline industry wouldn't have sucked the money. >> how about that for a sharp turn before we head to headlines. >> thanks, will. appreciate that. >> appreciate that as well. >> that was actually a bow and circle and it was all -- >> hard time following all of the analogies. >> it's a challenge for the rest of us. we'll ask you to do double duty this morning if you would give us headlines. >> we're watching egypt and its future closely watched by the u.s. and israel this morning. look here at live pictures in cairo where egyptians are heading to the polls to elect the first president since the fall of hosni mubarak. it's the first free election in the country's 5,000 years of
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existence. it will end the military led transitional period and fear of more bloodshed if that military decides not to step aside. not much mystery left but mitt romney picked up two more primary wins last night and in position to officially clinch the republican nomination next week when texas holds its primary. romney taking kentucky with 67% of the vote. arkansas with 68%. total of 75 delegates up to grabs between the two. romney now less than 100 delegates from clinching number of 1,144. secret service director mark sullivan will have a chance to defend his agency when he appears before the senate onlyland security committee today. he may have a hard time convincing senators that the prostitution scandal in colombia was an isolated incident. four secret service agents fired in the sex scandal fallout plan to fight for their jobs back. the agents claim they were made scapegoats for behavior the agency knew was going on and has long tolerated. big spoil alert. if you don't want to know who
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won this season's "dancing with the stars." you have 1.5 seconds to look away. >> donald and peta! >> nfl star donald driver this season's winner. he and partner peta wowed judges with their country themed free style scoring a ten and they also got the trophy. the green bay packers receiver was considered an underdog. those are headlines. >> earlier this morning i asked, would you do "dancing with the stars"? she's like you could get shin splints. >> i heard you say you would do it. >> in a hot second. >> where is that invitation? >> we'll drive it like it's hot. >> let's do it here tomorrow. you two be partners and we'll be judges. >> book it. >> we don't want to embarrass will. donald driver is an alpha man. congratulations. >> no on that offer. i was talking about the real show, people.
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moving ahead on "starting point" this morning, a woman claiming she has a device sewn into her body happens on an international flight. the plane is then diverted. the all-clear is given but it's a real concern. we'll talki to congressman pete king. he was given minute by minute on the scare as it was unfolding. get real this morning. catching up on zs. when precious seconds count the most. a 911 call where the dispatcher fell asleep. you're watching "starting point." back in a moment. all energy development comes with some risk, but proven technologies allow natural gas producers to supply affordable, cleaner energy, while protecting our environment. across america, these technologies protect air - by monitoring air quality and reducing emissions...
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welcome back. we're learning more about a woman who caused a flight to be diverted to maine after claiming she had a bomb implanted on her. about 40 minutes in, a french citizen handed a note to the flight attendant and the note said she had a surgically implanted device inside of her. two fighter jets were scrambled and the flight was diverted to bangor, maine. flight attendants detained the woman. a doctor examined the woman. new york congressman peter king on congressional homeland security committee, thank you for being with us. appreciate it. you were notified about this as it happened in the air. what was your first thought when you heard of this unfolding 35,000 feet up? >> i was very concerned. i tell you why. we've been focusing for the last several months on this new strategy which al qaeda in the
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arabian peninsula has which is to implant an explosive device within the human body. they have doctors and scientists which we understand they can carry out. there haven't been any test runs but they are focusing on this. we do believe they have capacity to do it. this was for the as crazy as it might sound for the average person. it appears from all accounts one from the doctors looking at it on the plane and also all of the tests being done since that she did not have any device at all implanted into her body. we are concerned this could happen. >> the first thing i thought of was the conversation we had last if you remember about the bomb that could not be detected coming out of yemen, and i thought if this is the next step of that potentially. did you think of that as well? >> i did. again, we're concerned about bombs that can be concealed on the body but we know yemen has
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surgeons that can perform this operation. that's al qaeda in the arabian peninsula operating out of yemen. we're looking out for this. starting about a year ago but more so in the last several months and again it's believed that this would have capacity to bring down a plane. this is a short flight for this. you can't walk around for a bomb inside of you for that long and the bomb would not stay lethal for that long of a period of time. maybe several days or a week. the person that had the surgery would show signs of it. would be stooped over. in some kind of pain or discomfort. that's what screenings are on notice to be looking for. any type of physical symptoms coming from a person. she's been checked through all of the data bases. her name has not shown up anywhere which is a good sign. >> more is being learned about this woman not showing signs as she went through the security checks.
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a french citizen born in cameroon, africa. traveling alone for ten days. had not any luggage with her. another passenger said she seemed very nervous as she was waiting for the flight. i'll play a little bit of that and ask you a question on the other side. >> i had gone to the restroom earlier in the flight and i noticed that she had been sitting alone in the back of the plane and seemed kind of sweaty and nervous and seemed on edge. no more so than anybody who is nervous about flying. >> do you think, congressman king, there are red flags that were missed and someone traveling for ten days from france with no luggage wouldn't be a red flag to get a second look? >> we don't have our screeners overseas. on this though, even though she was flying without luggage and flying for ten days, i think if that had been in the u.s., she would have been taken aside for secondary screening and would have been questioned and asked
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where she was going and why she was doing this and asked a series of questions trying to get indicators from her. on the other hand, we have quite a few terrorists bases and her name doesn't appear anywhere on them. to that extent she would not have been a threat. i agree with you, we have to worry about people who are not on terror watch lists and in this case i think she should have been taken aside and at least given what we call a secondary screening being questioned and interrogated and find out why she was doing this and looking for telltale signs she was up to something. >> i want to ask you about a question about a manufactuovie out about the capture of osama bin laden. you have come out after looking at some of the e-mails going back and forth between the white house and the production team incredibly angry about what you say is being revealed.
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what's being revealed? >> let me start at the beginning by saying i give president obama tremendous credit for this. a courageous decision he made. he deserves credit for everything that happened. my concern is the access that hollywood producers and democratic lobbyists were given to the cia and defense department finding out that all of the meetings with the cia were arranged by a democratic lobbying group. i never heard of them interceding to get people into the cia. she was taken to locations and sites that not even mentioned and have been blacked out of the reports of the e-mails because they are sensitive yet she was taken to them and other people involved were taken there and i'm saying that if this is too sensitive for average person to know about, did she have security clearance and cleared to go in there? why would she have it when members of congress haven't been to some of these sites.
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we find there's also in the defense department making information about navy s.e.a.l.s available to them. this to me requires more investigation. we've got hundreds of pages of e-mails which the administration fought. judicial watch had to go to work to have them forced to turning these documents over and again to have democratic consultants, lobbyists, having access with hollywood producers to inner workings of the cia, military, raises serious questions. this was done within 10 to 20 days of the attack when the american public was not told any of this. again, there's too much cooperation and collaboration here between hollywood and the administration and our intelligence agencies and also the military. >> congressman peter king joining us this morning. thanks, congressman. nice to see you, as always. appreciate it. >> soledad, thank you. still ahead on "starting point," a woman in the middle of an emergency situation with her husband calls 911 and in the middle of trying to get help for
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her husband, the operator falls asleep and starts snoring. we'll tell you what happened. it's our get real this morning. and a wedding photo kind of out of the "wizard of oz." a cowboy, his bride, and a twister. head to cnn.com/live or follow me on twitter @soledad o'brien.
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look at that. beautiful. great. >> city fall of sailors. >> let's get to get real this morning. stop. panicked woman calls 911. her husband has collapsed. she starts talking to a dispatcher and then she hears this. listen. >> let me try to get them on the line again. >> okay. >> a complete emergency. the sleepy dispatcher has fallen asleep. he's snoring. meanwhile, her husband has a breathing issue. he's literally suffocating. another operator took over. the snoring guy is on the line still. so while they're having their conversation with the second operator, you can hear snoring in the background from the first operator who goes through and the dispatcher asks is it your husband -- is that your husband that we're hearing so loudly on the phone line.
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listen. >> i don't know what to do. >> all right. is that him i hear in the background? >> excuse me? >> is that him i hear in the background? >> yes. >> how old is he? >> 43. >> no, it's not him she hears in the background. that would be the dispatcher. her husband cannot breathe in the background. >> i'm delighted there was a backup operator so this guy wasn't left hanging. do we know what happened to the snoring operator? >> he eventually woke up. >> someone woke him up. >> does he still have a job? that's what i want to know. >> six minutes later he woke up and he sort of got back in on the call and started asking for the address. i have been working with somebody else here. he's been placed on administrative leave. the patient was hospitalized. the fire department says there were no adverse effects because of the snoring operator. >> are we sure he was asleep and snoring? story about heavy breathing?
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somebody's heavy breathing. >> dude, seriously? he was snoring. he was asleep. >> i love whatever story i say will is always like, i'm not sure. >> what's the angle on this? >> we know what he wasn't doing. >> we say get real to that dispatcher and probably not going to have a job. >> not get real, wake up. >> maybe he needs the sleeping problems checked out. still ahead on "starting point," a cnn investigation. preaching hate. a pastor is calling for locking up gay people inside an electric fence. members of the pastor's church say they support him. men in black 3 will hit theaters this weekend. the leading lady will drop by. we're back in a moment. so, ah, your seat good?
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welcome back to "starting point." let's get right to headlines. christine romans has that for us. good morning. >> good morning, soledad. al qaeda apparently intent on waging an electronic jihad against the united states. an al qaeda video obtained by the fbi last year has just been made public. that video calls for cyberattacks against our government computer systems and critical infrastructure including our electrical grids. the video compares vulnerabilities to u.s. computer networks with flaws that existed in aviation security before the attacks of 911. tragic end for the search of a missing harvard business school student. the body of 31-year-old nathan bihlmaoier was recovered yesterday.
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police say there's no sign of foul play. they'll conduct an autopsy to determine the cause of death. former first lady nancy reagan slowly recovering from broken ribs this morning. the announcement was made yesterday at the reagan presidential library in simi valley where she was expected to attend a speech. mrs. reagan suffered the injury in a fall in her home six weeks ago we're told. the former first lady is 90 years old. hundreds of thousands of minorities are missing from the latest u.s. census count. analysts say blacks, hispanic, american indians were undercounted in the 2010 report. census officials say they have no plans to correct the count ant that has upset some minority groups because census data is used to determine who receives federal funding and how much. minority advocates fear bad count would hurt certain communities. they say the 2010 census is the most accurate count in the nation's history. new fda warning for dog owners about treats made in
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china that could sicken or kill your pets. the fda first warned about health problems associated with certain kinds of china made brands of chicken jerky products you can see on your screen. a kansas couple's wedding photo gets photo bombed by a tornado. they just said i do when the tornado touched down about eight miles away from where their wedding ceremony was taking place in kansas. they chose an outdoor farmhouse location. the two met at a rodeo and that is a wedding picture for the history books. >> that's a beautiful shot actually. all right. thank you. a hateful rant by a pastor in north carolina has gone public and now his church is in danger of losing its tax exempt status. that is all because of what the pastor said. the pastor's name is charles
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worely. he's facing fierce backlash because of what he proposed this country do to gays and lesbians. listen. >> build a 100 mile long fence and put all of the lesbians in there. fly over and drop some food. do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals. and have that fence electrified so they can't get out. feed them and you know what? in a few years they'll die out. >> he's been saying this for a while. here's a clip of a sermon that he gave back in 1978. >> we're living in a day when you know what it saddens my heart to think that homosexuals can go around blessed god and get the applause of a lot of
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people. lesbians and all of the rest of it. blessed god. who years ago they would have hung them. blessed god. from a white oak tree. wouldn't they? amen. >> i tell you right now, somebody said who are you going to vote for, i ain't going to vote for a baby killer and homosexual lover. >> so it's that remark that has provoked an advocate for separation of church and state filing a complaint against pastor worely. he thought the pastor crossed the line in lots of ways but this one particularly. >> unless you were asleep during the sermon, which has been known to happen, this went on for 90 minutes. you know unequivocally you are not supposed to vote for barack obama. this means it's a clear violation of the tax code that says again without equivocation, you cannot endorse or oppose a candidate for public office and
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retain your tax exemption. >> all this brings us to gary tuchman joining us from north carolina where worely's church is located. talking to folks in the congregation, the sermon was put up online and now has taken down. what do folks who attend the church tell you? >> perhaps it's not surprising, soledad, but still chilling that every person we talked to who goes to this church supports their pastor. right now it's quiet inside the providence road baptist church but last night they had a special meeting. scores of members showed up for a prayer meeting to pray for their pastor, pay for their church after their pastor's words this mast mother's day. was the pastor inside the church? we don't know for sure. sheriffs deputies did not allow us on the property. earlier in the day we wanted to talk to the pastor and went to his house. a lot of members of his family were outside of the house. we parked our vehicle and they
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scattered inside the house so quickly that actually one of them left a lighted cigarette on the window sill and we were chased off the property so we never got to talk to the pastor at this point about this. we hope to at some point today we can tell you in maiden, north carolina, it's a small town but we must tell that you people who aren't affiliated with this church, many are embarrassed and aghast about the situation but the members we've talked to strongly support their pastor. >> this is will cain. how big is -- >> he would do anything he could for you. >> takes a real firm stance on the bible and what it says about different things whether i like it or not or anybody else likes it. >> being gay and lesbian or whatever, homhomosexual is wron according to the bible. we love the people. hate the scene. pointblank. you need to lay off my pastor. >> reporter: we're not exactly ready to lay off the pastor as we said we're trying to talk to
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him today. we figured he would be very delighted to talk to us. he knows the stuff goes on the web. he knows that anyone can see it. as of now either he doesn't want to talk to us because he's afraid or because he couldn't care less about us. back to you guys. >> how big is the pastor's flock? is this a big church? >> reporter: this is a big church. when i heard about the story i imagined it was a tiny church. this place fits between 800 and 1,000 people potentially. it's a major church in this area. >> gary, are other christians and pastors condemning this pastor's comment and stepping up and saying anything saying how wrong and hateful he is and that he is not operating as a person of faith as what jesus would do? >> reporter: roland, many other pastors in this area have spoken out against this man and once again i must emphasize i think a lot of people out there say this town must be crazy people in this town. most of the people we have
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talked to here in maiden are totally opposed to what this guy is saying. they think he's a nut job. they think he's an angry man. it's fair to say every person we talked to that goes to this church is supporting this guy. >> interesting to hear what pastor says when he decides to start talking to you. gary tuchman for us this morning. appreciate the update. still ahead on "starting point," disturbing news from one of the country's top money watchers. a congressional budget office says another recession could be looming. why and how it could be lamented. we'll take a look. "men in black" back for the third time. alice eve is starring in the latest installment. she's going to join us to talk about it straight ahead. you're watching "starting point." back in a moment. [ female announcer ] fresh flavor gets a bold new twist with new chef's picks from lean cuisine. new dishes on the culinary cutting edge like mushroom mezzaluna ravioli
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have. >> here's a question for you. are we about to fall off a fiscal cliff? the congressional budget office says that's what's going to happen if trillions of dollars of tax hikes take effect as scheduled next year including letting the bush tax cuts expire. the alternative middle class exemption and trillion dollars for spending cuts. if congress doesn't act, the u.s. economy could be pushed back into a recession. christine romans joins our panel
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to talk about that. it sounds dire. >> it is when you look at the numbers. the congressional budget office says it would be 1.3% contraction in the economy next year. a recession that everyone would feel. it's really a warning from cbo to the president and to congress that not doing anything is going to hurt. but the cbo also points out that longer term you got to get our fiscal house in order as well or we're going to hurt the economy longer term. what they're really telling us is that congress and president and both parties have to do a better job of figuring out the way forward here or either in the near term we'll get hurt or in the long-term we're going to get hurt. >> also figuring out how to do a better job. you don't have to do a report on that. we could say the exact same thing to congress. >> when i first started covering congress and business, the whole mantra was gridlock is good because washington can't get in the way of business. gridlock is not good anymore. we have big problems.
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gridlock is not going to fix. >> i defer to margaret. >> cbo is nonpartisan budget. so people have been saying we had the fiscal conference in d.c. last week. what will it take for members of congress to get into their heads that fixing the debt and fixing the deficit is something that not just americans care about. we know we'll pay for it. >> inaction actually advances what you just put forward. debt and deficit. what worries people is economic growth. you can't put in big tax increases and big spending cuts. that hurts economic growth. >> they are having a fight in europe and here too. we need growth in the near term but austerity in the long-term. how are we going to telegraph that. >> sometimes those things collide and it's up to congress to figure out how to navigate that. >> you look at the bush tax cuts and whether people like it or
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not, they have contributed to the deficit and it's going to be a problem when you have this conversation because gop says don't keep them in but also causes deficit to increase. democrats don't want cuts. that impacts the deficit. both have to give up something. >> what do you thinks about bowles-simps bowles-simpson? >> both parties are wimps when this comes to making changes. >> that's an interesting point here. both sides say we understand cbo. we know that we got to do it. it's the other guy's fault. they are the one who is to blame. >> they have no interest on working on it right now. >> think back to november and december. >> it will be the president. >> after the election in 2010, how much stuff got done in the short window after the 2010 election. it's amazing what happened when they have pressure to get it done. >> all of this is going to happen in december after the presidential election with either a lame duck president or lame duck congress. >> you say people are cynical about politics. we know why. still ahead this morning on
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>> you corrected us. that is your hair that you spend two hours a day on. >> bubble flip hair and not bubble hip wig. >> we had no idea. >> now you know. >> is it hard to come into a series that's been very successful and sort of be part of the third one? you go back in time. it changes the characters again. you are in something that's wildly successful. do you worry about that? >> it's comforting to me in something that's successful. i've done it a few times actually. i joined things that are established. i just finished shooting "star trek" but i went to nine schools so that's an adequate preparation to fit into an already established community. >> kindergarten through high school. >> i did nine. >> military family? >> my parents are actors so they moved a lot. sometimes i was naughty. >> she glosses over that. >> you got kicked out of school? >> i never got kicked out. sometimes it was better for me
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>> wohl we'll start with roland, martin. >> my take away, watch your kids, please. that video of the kid on that big wheel or whatever he was going across the street, it happens so often. when i go shopping you see kids running around. check your child, please. >> thank you for that parenting advice this morning, roland martin. >> let me introduce you to chris. chris operates one of the
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cameras in the studio and he divorced himself from the new york jets because they signed tim tebow and in the process he broke several man rules. you don't get to pick your sports team. you're born into your sports team. >> when you're a grown man, pick your own team. >> i will say that i am born into my sports team. the denver broncos. i'm so proud of tebow. we're going to miss him. we're looking forward to peyton manning taking the field. >> you divorced yourself? because of tebow? >> he went to the colts. >> houston texans will beat all of you. >> that's our final word. thank you, guys. let's get right to carol costello for "cnn newsroom." good morning. >> good morning, soledad. happening right now in the "newsroom," main street's distrust of wall street growing stronger this morning. word that insiders and not the average american investor allegedly got a heads-up on potentially negative news about facebook. today we're pressing the banks involved to speak up. do you know who

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