and a prime time worldwide exclusive with the jacksons, jackie, jermaine, marlon and tito back together again on stage together after nearly 30 years, and for the first time since their brother michael's tragic death. >> i think our first challenge getting back to the stage would be something in the celebration of 40 years in show business. >> is this "piers morgan tonight." ♪ a, b, c good evening. we will get to my interview with the jacksons coming up. but with london gearing up for the summer olympics coming up in just a few weeks, one person knows how important the anti-doping effort will be is marion jones. she won in sydney, but lost it all in the wake of a steroid scandal that put her behind bars in 2008. her first prime time interview after coming out of prison. welcome. >> thank you. >> does that sound weird to you having your name associated with

prison? because i remember the sydney olympics and you running like the wind and this incredible athlete, and you were so inspiring and brilliant, and when i have to even read those words, i feel bad. you know, never mind how you must feel. >> yes. gosh, how do you even put it in words? it has been now, you know, three years since i left prison, and it is still not easy to comprehend. i search for the right adjectives to describe, you know, who -- i certainly never would have thought ten years ago that my life would have taken the turn that it had, and that it has. and so, yeah, it is still hard when people describe, you know, my history and situation. it seems like it is somebody else, like you are not talking about me, you're talking about some other person. >> and there is such an extreme that you have had to endure. you have gone from champion,

olympic champion, multiple olympic champion to felon. and the gap between those two positions in the public estimation, i guess in your own estimation is just so massive, isn't it? >> i think people don't really -- it's hard for people to grasp the -- everything that happened. i think when people saw me on television and then they meet me, they are like, how in the world can this all happen? but what i try and tell people is that, you know, anybody can make a mistake, and certainly mine was massive, and it was in the public eye, and i have been blessed with this ability to really communicate and connect with people, so people feel like they know me, and so when they have to talk about the situation, it is hard for them. like when i travel, i'll be honest, when i travel people come up to me and sea think, we just want to give you a hug. we feel bad for you. they don't know why, but they feel bad for me, so the journey

has been a rough one, but i am happy to say that i'm finally at a place where i'm at peace, if i can -- if you understand that. i made some horrible choices in my past. >> what was the single worst moment for you of the whole thing when you look back? >> the single worst moment was sitting in solitary confinement on my boys' birthdays and not getting a chance to talk to them or hold them or hug them and knowing not -- and people might be surprised by that. it wasn't having to give back my medals, it wasn't the scandal, it wasn't all that, and it was not -- but i think that disappointing the ones who loved me and cared for me and supported me and cheered me on knowing that i hurt them. that to me was the single, and it is what i deal with every day. like that doesn't go away.

>> how have you dealt with that? you had two kids who were pretty young at the time. >> yes. one was turning 1 and one was turning 4. >> so too young to understand. >> yes. >> and even now, are they aware of what happened to you? >> no, they are not aware. we have been pretty open with my oldest who is 8 years old. sharing with him certain things, but they have -- they don't really understand. we planned certainly to be when we feel like they are ready to share certain things with them, and share the story with them, but in my household, we teach our kids that we all make mistakes, like mommy makes mistakes. i'm not an exception, but it is what you do after the mistake. you know, do you try to cover it up? you know, i made the unfortunate choice to try to cover it up, and i made things a lot worse. do you cover it up and then get mom and dad really upset with you or do you come

and tell us what you did, we deal with it and then you move on so when i talk with young people now, that is what i tell them. okay. you are going to be make a mistake and be prepared, but do the right thing afterwards. >> and my attitude towards -- i have never met you before today, and it is probably like most people's, is that having shared your dream, and this amazing olympic games that you have and then the terrible disappointment to find that, you know, for want of a better phrase you cheated in some way. what i'm curious about is what your emotional journey has been with yourself. >> yes. >> through that process. just tell me. >> wow. it has been a complete 360. you know, i certainly think that i got caught in a wave. that is how i describe all of this. i got caught up in the wave of fame and fortune and people telling me, patting me on the back, and telling me how great i

was and ignoring red flags, you know. >> how intoxicating is it, if you are the -- when i watch usain bolt right now, and he is so sublimely arrogant and he does the big bolt and he's also this incredible athlete, and you know he is loving every second, but you know that in itself can be dangerous. you have been in that position. how intoxicating is that? >> whew. incredibly. incredibly. the mistake that i made is that i surrounded myself with people that would only pat me on the back and tell me that everything that i was doing and saying was right. i distanced myself from people who would give it to me straight. like, for example, my relationship with my mom, the one person who would give it to me straight and i knew she would, so i distanced myself. >> you didn't want to hear it. >> right. you didn't want to hear it. you don't want to hear that things don't look right. you know, you want to go with the wave, and it's a big mistake that i made. i tell young people, hey, you know, when you get advice from people, make sure it is people

that is going to give it to you straight. >> you were how old when you won those medals? 23? >> yes, but even before then at the age of 15, i made the first olympic team, and you realize that when you are number one, more people want to talk to you. when you are number one, you make more money. and you become important. and that's who you become. and i realized while i was in prison in solitary in particular that being number one and being marion jones meant nothing in there. >> yeah, i mean, it is the reality check of all reality checks. >> well, it is an understatement to say it was a humbling experience, but in the same breath, i have to say it was a blessing. it was a blessing for me. >> what did you learn about yourself? >> well, i realize that my priorities were totally out of whack. and that i had to figure out who

i was and not marion jones, the superstar athlete, the pretty smile, the charm and all that. who am i? why did i make the certain choices? and now more importantly, how do i move forward? and it forced me to figure out, you know what, you made some bad choices, but it's not over. things can and will get better if i don't just sit on my tail. >> although it's been a catastrophic episode for you over the last few years, listening to you, in a funny way, finding yourself may be something that you never would have done if you carried on being marion jones the superstar. >> you are so right. i can agree with you 100% that it wouldn't have happened. it wouldn't have happened and i possibly could have been caught up in the wave that took me so far out that i couldn't get back. >> let's take a short break because i want to come back and talk to you about when you were on the crest of the wave and what happened when the wave broke.

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have betrayed your trust. i want you to know that i have been dishonest. and you have the right to be angry with me. >> an emotional marion jones in 2007 admitting to the steroid use, and she is back with me now. i mean, that was some moment, and yet in itself it must be cathartic to finally be able to say, okay, hands up, america, i cheated. appallingly painful as it is, that is the beginning of the moving on process, isn't it? >> it was. and it is. every time i have to speak about it, it is a form of healing, and you get to the point, and i think that a lot of people can relate to this, but when you carry such a burden for so long, and whatever it might be, a lie, a secret, when you are finally able to let it all out, regardless of what the consequences may be, and in my case, they were certainly

severe, and we knew that they were going to be. not as severe as they were, but it's a total release. and i knew that i couldn't carry it any longer. you know, i was married. i had a child. i was about to have another one. and i found myself telling my kid, telling my oldest son, you know, when you do certain things, you make a mistake, you move on, but then i turn around and i wasn't living it. i was living being a hypocrite and when you have kids, as you know, things become a lot clearer in your life and you realize that everything that you say and do can affect them, and in my case everything that you don't do or say, and i could not live with that. i love my kids too much to do that. >> and how difficult was the conversation with your mother when you had to finally look her in the eye and say, it is true. >> extremely painful

because she was and still is my biggest support. and to know that you let down somebody who loves you regardless, who loved me and loves me regardless of the fact that i turned my back was hard. it was hard. >> did you turn to her having rejected her in the way that you said you did, what was the moment that you turned back to her? >> not too long after i pled guilty. and it was simple. he wasn't anything very complicated, but just a simple embrace and the whispered sound of my mom saying "i love you no matter what." so it was hard. it is painful, and even when i still talk to her and i see her and my family and my close

friends, you know, i feel a sense of guilt for disappointing them. >> because your mother, i guess, had lived the great highs. >> yes. >> and had been i guess like any mother would be, your daughter is a supreme olympic champion, and it is the american dream at its finest. >> yes. >> and then it becomes a total nightmare. >> and as a mom, it is tough, because, she can't do anything about it. you know, that's -- i'm her baby and her baby is an adult and makes certain choices, and all she can do from a distance is pray and love on me as much as she can, but she can't do anything about it. and so i can only imagine as a mother myself that feeling. and i think -- >> was she angry with you? >> no. no, i mean, i think that throughout the journey and

throughout everything, there are moments that she was angry, because she could see me making poor choices and would share with me, and that is why i think i started to become more and more distant. >> what is the most angry she got with you? what was the poorest choice that your mom thinks that you made? >> well certainly my decision in men and -- >> it has not been great. >> no, it hasn't, but third time is a charm. the third time is a charm. >> why were you attracted to the bad guys? >> you know, i think i saw something in them that perhaps i was lacking in my childhood. as i mentioned, my mom was a single mom, and so my biological father was never part of my life. >> do you have any relationship with him at all? >> no, no. >> and so you were craving a kind of father substitute possibly? >> possibly. possibly. i -- i -- yeah, i think that is safe to say that.

>> is he still alive, your biological father? >> no, he has passed. >> do you have any feelings about that when you heard? >> i did. it was a very emotional time for me simply because i got a call from a friend of his saying that he had passed, and he had not been in contact with me for 15 years, and then this friend tells me that, but he kept an album of all of my accomplishments. and i went to the funeral, and i sat on the front row of the church and -- because i was the only, his only offspring and yet i saw young people getting up to speak about him saying that he was such a father to them and i could not say that, so it was really, really difficult for me to deal with all of that. so i am not saying that is the reason of poor choice in relationships, but possibly it contributed. >> but not having a strong male

presence in your life and all of the pressure on your mom to bring you up and everything, it can't help, can it? it is not going to help. >> i certainly know that from a young age, we realized that i was blessed with so much talent and from an early age even my mom has shared this with me as she likes to call them the pariahs started coming out of the woodwork when they saw that there was a golden ticket in me. she is a single mom, and so they would come out of nowhere and say things about that. >> and it is like a shark pool, isn't it? >> yes. >> and you are the best bait in town, and it is the shark pool and they are all nibbling and they all want a piece of the action >> it is easy to protect when the child is at home, but by the time the child is old enough to go off to college, how much protecting can you do? >> let's take another break, because i want to come back to talk to you about the moment that the door shuts in prison on that first night. how you were feeling, and then i

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marion jones is back with me now. take me back to the night that your husband drives you 2008 to this prison and you get dropped off, and you walk in, and they take you to a cell. and the door shuts. >> right. >> what are you thinking? >> like how did this happen? how in the world is my worst nightmare actually happening? >> you had gone from $80,000 a race, and i don't know what that is per inch, but it is a lot, right? and then suddenly, you are in a tiny cell and you are a felon. >> well, i think to put things in perspective, when i was a child i used to always want so bad for my name to be written in the paper for my accomplishments, of course. and my reality is now that i sometimes don't want it written in the paper and sometimes it is

tough being a celebrity because when i walked into prison, unlike most people who go to prison, i will tell you, because i don't think that you have any history of that, most people go unknown. i walked in, and everybody knew who i was, and there were helicopters circling, and there were photographers trying to jump the fence to get that picture. i walked past the tv room where the inmates watched television and my story is being played. i was there for almost six months. and there were nights that were extremely hard missing my family. >> and your kids went to stay with your family in barbados. >> correct. >> so they were protected in a sense, i guess. >> yes. >> but you weren't. i mean, you were on your own there. >> and i think some of these women would come up there and they had been in there 10 or 15 years and they hadn't had a visit or letter from a family member, and so at night when sometimes i would cry, just be in this deep, deep

place, i would say, you know what, marion, why are you acting like this when the woman down the hall has been in here for a decade and she has no family that's interested in her. if she can wake up with a sense of hope and faith, i can certainly do it. >> do you think if you hadn't taken, would you have still won the goals because that must be the greatest frustration for you because you still would be a supreme athlete. and still so way far ahead of everybody else, you didn't need to do that. >> yes, from the age of 14 when i made the first olympic team, and for me the biggest issue was not asking certain questions and not asking the coach, well, what are you giving me? why, why? all of this? you know, i certainly felt and will feel to this day that my god-given ability would have been taken -- >> can i play devil's advocate with you -- >> sure.

>> because i watched the oprah interview when you came out and the one jarring note with me was you appeared to be in some slight denial about ever knowing anything might be slightly dodgy, and i don't think people bought that. i think they thought, come on, marion, you knew even if you weren't asking questions, you knew enough about what was going on and your husband at the time was caught, and everybody was getting -- you knew something was going on, so was it more a case of i'm not going to ask any questions here but in the back of my head, this is a dangerous situation i'm in. is that the honest truth? >> no, i won't agree with you in that regard. i think that because i know i had -- people would say, well, you had to known something was going on, because you were just beating people by so much, and you were just annihilating people. but to me, that is what i have been doing ever since i was young.

this is nothing -- nothing happened during that time to tell me that i was giving or had been given something that would make me that much better. you know, when i was sentenced the judge said certain things during the two-hour proceeding saying that, you know, a top caliber athlete has to know, has to know certain changes in their body, and i had to sit there, of course, and i had to listen, but the reality in my world and in my life is that i didn't see any changes. i didn't see any changes that would have alerted me to certain things, and, yeah, i should have asked more questions. but i trusted my circle. you know, i surrounded myself with -- i was in this bubble, and i fillet in my heart, you know, these people are not going to do anything to harm me. >> the president of the international association of athletic federation said in a statement, that marion jones will be remembered as one of the biggest frauds in sporting

history, and i mean, that was an incredibly harsh thing for him to say. but many people agreed with him at the time and you were forced to hand back the medals and that moment when you hand back the medals and you hear that guy say that about you and how you are being branded to america, how did that make you feel? >> well, i didn't -- it was tough to hand back the medals certainly. but i think that a lot of people overestimate the hardware -- i'll be honest, to me, it is the memory. >> when the olympics start this summer, how will your emotions be dealing with that? i mean, do you -- are you able to deal with it in a measured way now or do you still get the awful sense of what might have been? >> no, not at all. not at all. it is a -- i have good memories from my olympic experience. and i'm a fan of sport. i have passion for sport. i sit in front of the television with my kids, and we cheer on and we have our favorites.

it is not a time that -- a somber time for me. >> and to any young american athlete who is in the squad who may be either abusing drug, keep it a secret or tremented to or believes it's the only way to win a gold medal. there's nobody better to ask. what advice would you give them? >> first of all, think about the consequences of the choices. you know, before they make those type of decision, take a step back and develop this message of take a break, take a break before you -- >> vs going to ask you about this finally because it is something that you are involved with educating young kids who may get a break about how to take it. >> yes. the big part is that it is not just young people, and anybody. you see all of the time in the news, ceos of companies who make a wrong choice, and if they had taken a break and if they had just taken a step back and thought about

it and got proper advice from the people who give it to them straight, and if they take a break and really think about the consequences of their choices then they'll be able to make better choices in their own lives. >> fortunately, marion, i have never made a mistake in my own life, so this does not apply to me. it is fascinating talking to you. i have thoroughly enjoyed it. >> it has been nice talking to you. has been serving the military for over 75 years. aawh no, look, i know this is about the troops and not about me. right, but i don't look like that. who can i write a letter to about this? geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. i've been crisscrossing the gulf i can tell you, down here,. people measure commitment by what's getting done. i'm mike utsler, and it's my job to make sure we keep making progress in the gulf. the twenty billion dollars bp committed has helped fund

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♪ oh baby give me one more chance ♪ ♪ to show you that i love you ♪ won't you please let me back into your heart ♪ ♪ oh, darling i won't last if i let you go ♪ ♪ let you go baby ♪ not when i see you in his arms ♪ ♪ i want you back the jackson 5 recording "i want you back" and the first release in motown and then they left motown and became the jacksons. now they are going on tour for the first time in almost three decades and paying tribute to their brother michael. joining me now for a prime time interview is tito, marlon and jackie. welcome. it is fantastic to see you. >> great to see you. >> it is a real thrill, because i grew up with your music and the moment i hear that i want to

get up and i start -- but i won't because you don't want to see that. but it is a bittersweet moment, because seeing the four of you together without michael, you know, for everyone that loved all of you guys, a very bittersweet moment, but for you in particular, this was your brother. how does it feel for you going back on tour on the road and michael is no longer here? >> well, we miss him. we are excited to keep the legacy going, the music going, but we miss him so much. but it's something that he would want us to do to keep it going. and i guess that the challenge, right, guys, was trying to decide what music we were going to do. that was the biggest challenge. >> and the fans wanted us to tour. we were getting so many e-mails from the fans around the world, i think we owe it to them, as well to, go out and perform for our fans and they want to sing the songs with us and entertain. >> and i think with the brothers and each one of us might have our own reason of why and how we feel on stage without having our brother up there, because for so

many years we always performed and he was right there with me, and so when i am on stage i think, wow, michael used to be right here, and now he is no longer here, but in spirit he will be here. >> i agree with marlon in what he was saying. what is beautiful about the tour is that we are going to be doing some of the venues that we played prior to motown like the apollo theater. >> in new york. >> places like that. >> yes, and we started there. >> and so many shows with michael prior to "i want you back" and "abc." >> and six shows a day. >> six shows a day? >> yes. >> is that right? >> yes. when we were trying to make it. yes. >> tell me this, we'll come back to michael a little later, but when you think of the jacksons, i suppose that the impression that everybody has is that you guys never really had a childhood, this thing exploded when you were young, and that you have all in some way been damaged by that fact. that you never had the chance to be normal, and yet, i have only

just met three of you now. i've met jermaine before. you seem remarkably undamaged on the outside. [ laughter ] >> you seem to be happy guys. and so i'm thinking that you guys are damaged, but what is the truth about being a jackson? >> well, what is abnormal? you see. what is abnormal? >> well, that's a very good point. >> my theory on all of that is that i have always said that i think that my father prepared us for manhood. you are only a child up to 18. but you have the rest of your life to be a man. and he prepared us to be men for the next 40 or 50 years, and you know, we are men. >> has he had too hard of a rap, your father? >> i feel so, for sure. >> absolutely. >> i can tell you now i've done an interview with your mother. she's an extraordinary woman, but of the many things she said which i found extraordinary was the defense of her husband, your father, which i found one of the most moving. how do you honestly feel?

i mean dow feel your father went too far on occasion or do you now that you are older and you've had some kid, some of you yourselves, do you get it? you know, when you are kids, you sometimes feel that your father has gone too far because you're a kid. but now when you look back, he has done a wonderful job. look at where we are, i mean. >> and i think that, you know, when you have so many kids in the family, and we are 11 of us in the home in gary, indiana, and so somewhere along the road you got to have a grip on the family. and he saw something in the -- well, let me rephrase that, and i will say that my mom saw something in the kids that my father did not see that they have some type of talent. >> when you see your father now, because he is such an extraordinarily iconic figure in american entertainment and the guy who has always had the mean, tough-guy reputation and

brutalizing his children and driving them to fame and fortune and the more i talk to people around your family, the less i feel that, and the more i feel like he just wanted you guys to come out of life well. >> that is right. >> he got behind us. he supported us. >> how do you get along with him now? >> great. >> very well. >> he kept us busy, and, you know he used to work two jobs, and when he was away, we had cylinder blocks in our backyard and we had to move them, hundreds of them from one side of the yard to the other, and that took all day and after you get older, you realize what he was doing, keeping you off off of the streets. >> what are the values he instilled in you? >> respect other people is the main one. >> be honest in doing what you're told to do exactly how you're told to do it and just the discipline. >> your mother said she despairs in modern america in control of parental control of children that you can't do anything to discipline the

children and sometimes the kid is ringing up and complaining about their own patients and sometimes she said unfairly and sometimes not unfairly because there is abuse out there, but she feels not strong enough discipline. >> i don't think that kids today respect adults the way they did when we were coming up as kids, and i think that's important. i see the kids today, they don't step aside and let the elderly go in front of them or pass over them or open the door for them so they have no sense of that and that comes from inour house. you know, your parents instilling values and things of that nature of the kids. that is not happening, because sometimes the parents are too busy trying to be kids themselves. >> i totally agree with you. when we come back, i want to talk to you about the plans for the tour and how you are going to remember michael and there is a suggestion of having a hologram on the stage. >> that is not true. >> okay. let's get to the truth behind all the rumors that are flying after the break. ♪ i see you in his arms

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♪ holding on ♪ holding on ♪ if you should ever find someone new ♪ ♪ i know he better be good to you ♪ ♪ because if he doesn't ♪ i'll be there ♪ i'll be there >> come on, everybody sing. >> the jacksons performing "i'll be there" in the motown anniversary special and i'm joined by the four jackson brothers. what do you see there? i have brothers and you see that my little brother has broken out as a mega star and part of me would be really irritated. were you, lads? >> no. >> no. >> aren't you saying, "why him?" he's the little one. >> you see that? that was a platform, the jackson 5. that's what started it all which gave him that platform to do what he did. >> and when you saw how phenomenal michael became as a

global superstar, i mean arguably the most famous entertainer of them all, and i would include elvis and the beatles, when you saw that, did you worry about him knowing he was your little brother, did you ever worry that it's too much for one person to take? >> you know, we had worries later about the circle of people, but not so much about what he was achieving. we knew that he knew what to do, but it was just certain people around that we weren't too happy about. >> and the circumstances leading up to his death, i know for legal reasons we can't get into too much of this, but were you guys concerned about what was happening in his life? the buildup to the tour, 50 dates, huge commitment for someone like michael with the energy he puts into those shows. i mean, how did you feel as brothers? >> i was wondering how he was going to do 50 dayses, first of all. i said, if he is going to do that, we will give him some help. just call the brothers.

>> jackie is trying to get up on stage. >> and did you feel he was okay and himself? >> i thought he was fine, yeah. >> i thought he was fine. >> i think you got to pace yourself and i don't know if he was being rushed or, you know, to be rushed into things, but healthwise he was fine though. >> what do you feel, tito, about conrad murray? >> well, i feel that like we are supposed to have forgiving hearts, and that doesn't mean i have to forget. i have a forgiving heart --. and i forgive everybody. >> do you forgive him? >> yes, we are supposed to, and we are supposed to feel that way. >> i don't feel that way at all. >> how do you feel? >> no. i don't feel that way at all? >> how do you feel? >> i feel like it's just negligence and not on his -- it's on his part plus others, and we are yet to know what really, really happened, but i'm not -- i'm a forgiving person but not when it comes to that.

>> tito, how can you forgive him as your brother? >> i am not saying that i am not upset about what happened, but i can't go around angry and upset and want to get revenge and all of these things like that, you know, because things happen and i'm made to forgive. so i have to forgive. it doesn't mean i have to forget. i haven't forgotten what happened and it hurts me dearly. were there some terrible things done, absolutely. but i have to forgive. i can't be ago bring. >> it's interesting because i interviewed a number of conrad murray's patients who all defended him to the hilt. you know, the impression i got looking from the outside was that he got off on a massive payday and it may have clouded his judgment, and a judgment that until then had been very sound, and that something just went wrong with him. and he was cutting corners and doing stuff with michael that he

shouldn't have been doing in a private home. that was how it seemed to me. >> i agree with that. there is so much to talk about when it comes to this, and it is just not all of it though. >> it is not all of it. >> that's just the beginning. >> but i will say this, and i think that my brothers will concur, you know, as time goes on, it is a little healing, but there's a void that always going to be in your heart, because your brother is not here anymore. >> exactly. >> yeah, but it has to be a huge void, because he was, you know, you all loved your brother. to the rest of the world he was michael jackson, the superstar. for you guys, you had been huge stars yourselves, but he was your little brother in the end and nothing can change that. that's your feeling towards him. >> and just how you phrase that. people look at michael as the big superstar but to us, he was just our brother. >> that is what he was, our brother. >> he is a big superstar. >> and he is a big superstar. really is. >> and how did you feel about the trials and the tribulations that he went through and the

accusations of the molestations charges and all that kind of thing? did it have a very bad impact on him and everything? >> i think it did, definitely. >> i think that what we do here on planet earth is that we are too quick to judge. and i think the lord put us on this earth to love one another, not to judge one another. that is his job to do, and judge people and when you do leave this plan net, you will be judged on what you have done for yourself and not for yourself, but what you have done for others, the things that you have done and not for, you know, ridicule iing people and things of that nature and that is what we do wrong. >> let's take a little break and talk about the tour and talk about happier things with michael and the kind of music that you will be playing. i want to know what your favorite jackson songs are, and i have a whole long list myself and i want to know which one you would choose. >> and we want to know your favorite, too. yes. >> we will be right back.

♪ ♪ let's dance let's shout let's shake it down to the ground ♪ ♪ dance shout ♪ let's dance let's shout shake your body to the ground ♪ >> the jacksons on their victory tour performing "shake your body" the last time the brothers performed on tour together. that is my favorite jackson song. >> "shake your body jt. >> and i have shaken my body all over the world for that song in a terrible manner. certainly not in the way you guys do. here's what strikes me about you four. even in the commercial breaks, you just great mates, aren't you? >> yes. >> even now despite everything you've been through. i'm supposed to be looking at these tormented ruined souls,

destroyed by fame, fortune, you know. you're the jacksons, apparently the most dysfunctional family out there. here's a secret i've un-ralphed from interviewing half of you. you're no more dysfunctional than most families i know. in fact, you're less dysfunctional. you laugh when you hear that. does it make you laugh when everybody else assumes you're so dysfunctional. here i see four brothers getting on great. >> they don't know us. >> they don't know us h marlon? >> this guy, right here. >> sitting next to me. >> do you ever have arguments? >> of course. >> do you ever have fights? >> of course. >> when was the last time you actually physically fought? >> we don't do that. >> no? >> we might put on some boxing gloves. >> who would win, if you were to fight? >> i would. i would. >> me. >> you're all saying you'd win. had let's cut to the real story, the favorite jackson song of them all. tito? >> i like the old stuff like "i want you back" and "abc." "the love you save," the motown stuff.

>> i love that but here's the deal with the question. you can only have one song. >> one song. "i want you back." >> "i'll be there." >> since jackie took one of mine, i'm going to say -- go to jermaine because you're going to say the same thing i say. just go, go. >> i like "maybe tomorrow." >> "never can say good-bye" >> so many to choose from, aren't there, and are we going to hear all these on the tour? >> yes. >> all the hits? "never can say good-bye" too. we're very excited because there's so many songs, right, guys? >> yes. >> we were picking through so many and there are songs that, my god, that we know like "looking through the windows" that we performed with michael and now we're doing it now. >> let me ask you about that. how are you going to commemorate michael on tour in terms of the actual show, do you think? >> well, i think -- i don't think you really can. i mean, you just have to -- >> michael, there will be

pictures and there will be songs. >> the holograph thing is a rumor. >> that's not true. >> jackie started this thing. >> no, i didn't and they asked me -- >> yes, you did. >> and they said will there be a hologram of michael? no, nothing like that, but maybe on a future tour there will be something like that. the next day it was all over the papers everywhere that michael will be on a hologram on tour. >> so he started it all? >> he started it? >> one thing is for sure, he will be there with you in spirit. >> oh, sure. >> it will be an incredibly moving experience, i think. i announced three shows at the moment. june 18th, louisville, kentucky. june 28th, new york, at the apollo. that will be amazing. i'm coming to that. >> oh, great. >> sell me some good seats. i want to be there. and 22nd of july, los angeles. >> can we bring you on stage? >> yes. >> can we bring you on stage for "shake your body." >> yes, now we're talking. guys, were talking. listen, best of luck with the tour.

>> thank you. >> thank you. >> it's going to be very exciting. i think a lot of fans out there can't wait to see. great to see you all back. great to see you looking not very dysfunctional. >> thank you. >> send my regards to the family. >> thank you very much. >> and i appreciate you coming in and good luck, guys. >> we want to tell the fans we love them and thank you for supporting our family. we appreciate it. >> guy, they can come to see you. >> guys, thank you all very much. the jacksons, a great interview. a relaxing holiday weekend, and dangerous rip currents? >> it's incredibly dangerous right now. >> sun seekers ordered to leave, and it's only going to get worse. damaging winds and rising floodwaters are next. an army general speaks out about military suicide. >> get off the ground! >> is it tough love, or has the military turned its back on vets? and this. is it a bird, a plane? op