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jumping to conclusions at this point, because we have to deal with fact, the bodies, five of which will be sent to the medical examiner. it's likely either the people were killed, brought to the scene and the vehicle torched. or the people were brought there, killed and then the vehicle torched, or they were burnt in the vehicle alive. now, a clue is nobody was in the driver's seat, no one was in the front passenger. one person in the second row and four bodies were laying down flat in the cargo area. >> the sheriff says last year his deputies were involved in 350 high-speed chases in the same rural area. now to the other stories we have for you, where most shows dare not go. from disoriented and paranoid -- >> where are you? >> i don't know. >> to cannibalism. >> the guy kept eating the other guy away.
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>> even super human strength. tonight, concern, a legal drug could be to blame. i talked to one man who od'd. and made to order babies, from eye color to gender. >> can't we agree that it's wrong to kill little baby girls simply because they're little girls instead of little boys? >> are gender based abortions a real problem in the u.s.? we asked the man behind the bill. he's back. >> if anything happens -- there's your man. >> find out why george w. is back in the white house, for good. we're going to begin with a warning. what you're about to see and hear is gruesome. but i caution you against changing the channel. if you don't hear this, there's a chance someone you know or love could die.
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>> a man chews out the eyes, nose and mouth of another man, eating off 75% of the victim's face. in maryland, a man is accused of killing a man and eating his heart and brain. next in new jersey, a suspect there, stabs himself repeatedly and hurls his intestines at police. and in canada, another man kills his lover, tosses the body parts in the garbage and mails others. in at least two of these crimes, investigators believe the suspects were driven to cannibalism or dismemberment by a legal drug in a dozen states. the link to bath salts. alex, you're a former detective for the georgia bureau of investigation. i want you to hear me what an e.r. doctor told me about these bath salts. take a listen. >> this is a terrible drug,
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because it takes the combination of meth amphetamine and the paranoia and the hallucinations and combines it into one and has unpredictable effects on human behavior. >> alex, the most basic of questions here. why on earth are these things legal and sold over the counter in some states? >> people are skating around the law with these synthetic drugs, when the law is written and take care of one chemical, they'll tweak it. when we were children, we exposed our neighborhood tricks and idiots. people now are exposed to tricks and idiots all around the world on youtube. people are making this stuff out of household products. stuff that's in their kitchen. >> and it's showing you on the internet how to make it and you can order it on the internet.
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these things are legal in 12 states. you can put it up there in yellow. the states in red, 11 of them, do not ban them. dr. adams told me he's only seeing the cases increase. listen. >> about two years ago, there were 300 reported cases, last year 6,000, and this year 1,000 reported cases. so it's on the rise. >> interesting. so cases are on the rise. how do police, especially in those states, how do they get ahold of this problem? what can they do? >> some of them right now, some of the local agents are doing stings where they're sending children in, 18, 19, to buy alcohol in underage and going into the convenience stores and asking for it and telling it to them over the counter. >> i want you to look at this, because we have video of a man
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who was high on bath salts as paramedics arrived. he's strapped to a gurney and he's really in another world. look at him. we're going to hear from freddie about this particular moment in just a little bit. but alex, this drug can make people feel invincible. officers don't always know what they're going up against. i heard the doctor say to me earlier, he said listen, it took a number of men to restrain like a 150-pound kid who had od'd on this stuff. >> right. we're used to people with meth, crack, where it takes a couple of officers. but now with this drug, it's taking five or six men. >> are they prepared for this? >> absolutely not. it's pcp on crack. >> listen to this and we'll talk more. >> drugs to be illegal have to have a chemical structure and law enforcement and laws are lagging a little behind.
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>> he's saying what you're saying basically. >> absolutely. as soon as you make the synthetic marijuana. right now the crime lab is coming back where they altered the chemical in the synthetic marijuana. >> it's a lot of kids that are doing this. what do you say -- how do parents know, do they even know? >> i don't think they do. youtube, something needs to be done with youtube. these kits are getting online, watching people around the world and they're trying this stuff. >> alex, thank you very much. it's a good lesson for parents and everyone to know. because you hear "bath salts," you have become desensitized because you think this is not going to harm you. thank you, alex. >> thank you, don. okay. knowing those risks, is that next high worth it? i'll ask someone who knows. my next guest od'd on bath salts. he says just one sniff of that drug ruined his life.
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i want you to take a look at this. this really is his brain on drugs. you remember that old commercial. that's freddie sharp and he has to be restrained by paramedics because he is high on bath salts. as a matter of fact, he was od'ing there. his story is one of thousands about people chasing that next high. in the last week, a couple of cannibalism and self-mutilation cases could be linked to bath salts. freddie's story is unique because he's a survivor.
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how do you describe your experience? we see the video of you and it looks like you're having these wild hallucinations and you're talking out of your head. what was going on in that video, what was happening to you? >> it was a very scary thing. when that was going on, i was overdosing and i never experienced anything like that. doing the bath salts or anything like that before.
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and i couldn't stop whatever was in me from continuing further and i felt like i was about to bust loose and hurt somebody. that's why i was wrapped up the way i was wrapped up in the fetal position and trying to keep my hands behind me. i felt like something was going to happen and i was going to bust loose and it was going to be a bad situation and i never felt something like that before. and it was one of the most horrible experiences in my life. i don't know why i did it. it happened. it's behind me now and i'm trying to move on from it. >> you describe this as, you said it was like hell on the inside or the devil. how did you describe it? >> it felt so evil. it felt like the darkest, evillest thing imaginable. i mean, i was going through something so severe, and it was so dark and scary and everything.
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it was unimaginable to me. and that's why i couldn't grasp or put my head around it and grasp it. and i was trying to calm myself down, trying to think about other things and trying to basically keep myself under control. because i felt like if i lost that control, that anything could happen. >> how old are you now, 27? >> yes, i'm 27. >> and you've been using for how long? >> bath salts? >> you said you've been using drugs. >> yeah. i've been -- i've been an addict since i was basically 13, 14 years old. >> so kids start young using these drugs. how are you doing now? do you still use bath salts? >> no, i do not. i do not use bath salts and haven't in months. >> do you know people who use -- who still use them and if so, what do you tell them?
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>> i mean, there are people, i'm sure that are out there still using them and everything. the only thing i can say to them is if you value your life, you will stop it because it will destroy your life and it will destroy your family. it will destroy everything. >> when you see these things that pop up in the news, like people who are dismembers people, taking their body parts out, people stabbing themselves, people who are eating people's flesh and faces and doctors and investigators believe that these bath salts contributed to that, do you think it can make people do that? does it give you that crazy super human strength and make you do things like that? >> actually, the super human strength thing, yeah. you feel like you're bullet proof and you do not feel any pain. i did not feel any pain personally and i didn't want to eat anybody's flesh or do anything crazy. i just got paranoid off of it.
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>> as someone who has used drugs, this particular drug, how did it feel, this overdose, was it the worst thing that ever happened to you? >> it was one of the worst things that's ever happened to me. it was the number one thing worst thing that ever happened to me. it didn't amount to, you know, anything else that i had done. it was so hard coming off of it. and i'm so glad i did it and i had the power to do it. >> talk to me more about that, what do you mean it was so hard coming off of it? >> well, the effects of it and everything, just the wanting it, the urge to want it and it felt like i had to have it, because if i don't, then i'm going to be sick and be so lazy and i won't have energy to do anything. and just those basic thoughts right there. just the withdrawals off of it itself. when it comes out of you, you can smell it in your hair and everything. it's so nasty. >> what does it smell like?
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>> it smelt like unclean, nasty, unkept chemical type smell. >> how long have you been clean now, freddie? >> i've been clean from bath salts and stuff for, let's see -- god, how long has it been? i would say a good four months. >> yeah. >> from bath salts. >> freddie, good luck to you. >> i just want to say thank you also. >> that was freddie. he wanted to thank the people involved in his life who helped get him clean. freddie sharp, good luck. if you're thinking of trying this, there's a lesson, don't. there's websites that offer a lot of information and ways to get help. drugabuse.gov is just one of them. almost tastes like one of jack's cereals.
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so you hear about it in china or india, but is it really a problem here in the united states? i'm talking about women choosing to end their pregnancies based on whether the baby is a boy or a girl. yesterday on capital hill, a bill before the house sought to ban abortions based only on the unborn baby's gender. more often than not, girls rejected by parents who prefer baby boys. the bill would have punished doctors, fined clinics and thrown abortion providers in prison. the bill needed a 2/3 vote in the house but failed. but i talked with the congressman, trent franks, a republican from arizona. his work to push through this bill has been criticized as an election year distraction. >> from my perspective, this discussion goes to the heart of who we are as americans. the whole founding principle of our country is that we held
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certain truths to be self-evidence dent and the most transen dent is the worth and value of human life. that's why we have an economy, that's why we have a military apparatus, that's why we have government is to protect those who can't defend their own rights at times. otherwise, we just fall into anarchy. so i know that we've, as a people and even as a government certainly have gotten so tangled up in the election politics that sometimes the issues get lost. but i truly believe that the most important thing we can do as americans is to remind ourselves that the protection of the innocent and life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is really the foundational purpose of government and it's the foundational concept of america. >> congressman, i want you to listen to congresswoman barbara lee. >> of course we're all opposed to sex selection based on
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gender. that's not what this is about. this is about women's health care and gender discrimination. this is a continuation of the war on women. and if this bill passes, it would forever change, forever change the doctor/patient relationship as we know it. >> and i also want to play -- here's what the number two democrat had to say about this, denny hoyer had to say this, nobody that i've never talked to is for abortions for gender selection. it's come up because somebody decided politically it was a difficult place to put people in, which really goes to my first question, because they're say thing is sort of setting up a strong man of forcing democrats to vote against problem that doesn't exist. >> the truth is, there is a war on women, but it's a war on unborn women.
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between 100 million and 200 million missing little baby girls is a reality because of sex selection abortion. >> i understand that. but it doesn't appear to be a problem in the united states. that's the issue. >> it is a growing problem in the united states. you know, in china "it's a girl" are the most dangerous words in china. thousands of girls in america have been dismembered simply because they're little girls. that's the truth. that's the university of berkeley and university of connecticut studying. these are not right wing conspiracy organizations. so the truth is, there is clearly a problem that is coming in america more and more. and i think that if people really are suggesting that they're against sex selection abortion, why are we the only advanced nice in the world that doesn't have laws restricting it? >> congressman trent franks
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we've all done it, we flipped through the magazines, click on the pictures online, images shot by the paparazzis of the celebrities we love to watch, britney, lindsey, j-lo. but how far should be celebs be able to go to protect their privacy and how far should paparazzi be able to go to get that shot? just this week, justin bieber got into a scuffle with the
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paparazzi, getting into a physical altercation and forcing deputies to investigate. and what about the celebrities themselves? is it their personal space? >> i think people have to understand just because we're public figures that you can't cross a line of infringing on someone's personal space. you know, people have to be very careful with that. >> you are a former paparazzi and a celebrity photographer. you called the relationship between the paparazzi and hollywood's elite a symbiotic relationship. why do you say that? >> the celebrities need us, they want us. sometimes we become oppressive. there's no question about that. but more or less, we are two symbiotic beings that both use each other. >> when you were paparazzi, they would call you and say i'm going to be at this place, they would tell you, right?
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>> well, i never actually got called by a celebrity, but, you know, a lot of the celebrities -- well, a lot of them like britney and kim kardashian and some of those celebrities have direct telephone relationships with paparazzi. but also the agents work through us, they call the magazines, they say we're going to be here at such and such. yeah, not all of them -- halle barry is not calling us, justin bieber is not calling us, but a lot of them do. >> if you make your living as for being famous, you need to be famous. >> yeah. i remember katherine heigl, who is one of my favorite celebrities, told me one time when i thanked her for being so generous with her letting me photograph her, and she looked at me and she's like, thank you. i've been working towards this for the last 15 years and, you know, i appreciate it.
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and not to say that it doesn't get oppressive for her, it does. but she understands the relationship. >> so we asked an actor about how he feels about the paparazzi. here he is. >> it should be against the law for anybody to take pictures of another person's children, regardless. regardless of celebrity or not. i shouldn't be allowed to take a picture of your kids. >> jennifer, is there an ethical line that you wouldn't cross when it comes to celebrity's children? >> well, you know what's interesting in the uk, which is a much stronger tabloid celebrity market, they do not allow photographs of children to be shown in the magazines, so they blur the picture. you can take the picture, but they don't show them. the thing is, with babies on the
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arms of celebrities, those pictures sell like that. people want to see it. so we're taking pictures of what people want to see. i think what is different is whenever photographing someone with their child, for the most part, and from everything i've experienced, the paparazzi try to keep a difference and try to be as respectful as possible. >> let me ask you, all i had to do was do a sweep through the newsroom or the building and we found all these magazines. this is just within a couple of minutes. so again, if there is a symbiotic relationship, if they need you as much as you need them, right, do celebrities have the right to protect their privacy in any way that they can or is it just part of being a celeb? >> absolutely they can protect their privacy. they're huge celebrities. jennifer aniston, brangelina, tom cruise, renee zellweger, george clooney, you almost never
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see them in the magazines and the reason is, because we are not very hard to avoid. if you do not want to be photographed, it does not take long to teach the paparazzi they're not going to get any shots. so whenever you're sitting outside halle barry's house, you're sitting outside there because usually you're going to get a shot of her as you leave. but jennifer aniston's house, they know if she leaves, she's not going to go anywhere she can be photographed and if she does, she's going to put a book or her hand in front of her face. we're not that hard to avoid. >> jennifer, thank you. we appreciate it. >> thank you, don. the men and women who track their every move. but are the paparazzi safe under the law and where do you draw the line? more of your stories that you're talking about in a moment. but first, i want to tell you about this. five bodies found in the arizona desert and it may be a sign the drug cartel violence is crossing
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over from mexico. the sheriff says the suv was still smoldering when deputies found the bodies. the sheriff says it started when a border patrol agent tried to approach a vehicle before dawn today. >> the border patrol agent turned around to make contact, because it's a known drug and human smuggling corridor and the vehicle fled. we could not find the vehicle, so we believed it went off the road into the desert. >> when daybreak came, the agents spotted the tracks and came across the car with the bodies inside of it. one person is dead, seven more were injured tonight in the shooting at a toronto shopping mall. two of the victims are in critical condition, including a 13-year-old boy. a pregnant woman suffered minor injuries when she was knocked to the ground bishopers rushing for the exit. gunman still missing right now. governor scott walker is in the political fight of his life, trying to save his job in
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we are talking, we're back, and we're talking celebrities versus the paparazzi. comedian and attorney dean obadalla, he's becoming a regular here. >> thanks, don. >> you're an attorney and you wrote about this for cnn.com. and there she is, attorney karen conte. dean, is this more a case of celebrities being stalked rather than just photographed? >> in this case, in justin bieber being beaten up by the photographer, which my question is, why would you admit to getting beaten up by justin bieber? but it's beyond that. and you just had the paparazzi on saying jennifer aniston knows how to hide. so they have to live a life with no privacy? or their children. that's why i wrote the article
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proposing a change in the copy right laws. >> do they have to put pantyhose over the lens or something? >> why? i wasn't just on vacation like you, so i look tired. >> any way, listen, in 1998, the state of california passed an anti-paparazzi act that held photographers libel. but in 2005, arnold schwarzenegger signed into law an anti-paparazzi law that expanded the earlier law. karen, are these laws working? >> well, we really don't need them. they're great in name and i think that arnold schwarzenegger probably made some points in hollywood bypassing them. but we have stalking laws. you can't harass and intimidate. you can't trespass on somebody's property. you can't batter or assault somebody. and you can't use their likeness for commercial gain. so there's laws already here on
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the books that protect celebrities from these things. is it obnoxious? it is. but we have the first amendment that protects the media in these circumstances. >> dean, we spoke to jennifer. she calls the relationship a symbiotic relationship between celebrities and the paparazzi. they do need each other, so if you get to a point where the paparazzi is chasing you, haven't you really arrived and should you complain about it? >> i think that's for each person to aside. why should they be able to profit from photos of celebrities because the profit is because the photo is of a celebrity? i think celebrities should have to be able to consent to sell this photo. 95% of the time, the celebrity will agree, because there is a symbiotic relationship. but there are times they're not going to. why should they be able to profit off of a celebrity and now has to suffer these consequences, which are unfair?
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>> ben stiller's take on the paparazzi, listen. >> legally they're allowed to be there, and they just seem to like to create an incident or looking to get you upset so that you'll do something so they can create an incident. but for people that have to live with it every day, it can affect your life. >> so karen, paparazzi can legally be around celebrities in public places, and you saw the incent with justin bieber and with halle barry. so how far should celebrities be able to go to protect their own privacy? >> i think i don't agree with dean. i don't think that the rules should be higher for celebrities. these are people who expose themselves and make money based upon their celebrity and the fact that their pictures are in the paper. the average personal, their picture can be taken and put in the newspaper. we have rules in place.
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justin bieber, in that situation, there was a false imprisonment. he couldn't move his car. that was wrong. he shouldn't have hurt somebody, if that's what happened. but there are rules in place and i think the media know where the limits are and sometimes they overstep them because it's worth it to get that shot. they have legal defense funds and it's worth it to do it. >> did she just lump us with the paparazzi, she said the media. >> it's not news worthy and there is a difference in the standard of proof for celebrities and private citizens in defamation lawsuits. >> so listen, dean, i know the answer to this next question, here is a question for you, is the economy ruining your sex life? if your answer was, what sex life, dean, then you need to hear the next segment.
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in the movies, it is a familiar story line. superheroes joining forces to tackle a world crisis. this week we're catching up with three cnn heroes who are teaming up to help aides orphans in the african nation of malawi. marie was a nanny in the u.s. when she started a school for aids orphans in her native malawi. honored as a top ten cnn hero in 2008, she's joined forces with two other honor's. magnus was recognized in 2010
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for his work feeding schoolchildren around the globe. >> i asked him to consider us. >> i was very struck by her. i felt we were people who could work together. >> today, his organization provides free porage to all of her student lgs. >> his support means they will always have something to eat. >> and evans visited marie's school and his team taught students to build their own lamps. >> for the family, it cuts the cost and to the children, it's helping them to study. evans really motivated our kids to be inventors, to come up with their own little model. >> now marie's students plan to provide lamps to their community.
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time of the night, at least here in the east. but can a bad economy mess with your sex life? i have two people dying to weigh in on this. but first, i want you to listen what psychologist wendy walsh had to say. men are just cheaters so when the economy is down and they don't have a job, they just want to have random, as they say. >> that could be single men pursuing uncommitted sex, rather than expensive, marital sex. i don't know if you know, don, for some men, trying to procure sex costs some money. there's dinners and nice cars and that kind of thing. >> she made me blush. i can't believe i said strange. dean is back, and anna navaro is here. dean, basically she said men can't keep it in their pants. do you think the economy factors what happens in the bedroom? >> not in the bedroom. mine is still as impressive as
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ever, or as boring as ever. but some people feel, you know, do you feel less than good about yourself because of economic problems? this is my advice. try to use some role playing involving the financial situation. one plays a bill collector, and say hey, what can i do to pay this bill and maybe you bring in a little action. a little tip for people at home, don. >> ding dong, delivery. anna, you're a republican strategist and right now this is a tough economy. can people blame their bad sex lives on the obama administration? >> absolutely, positively. there is a direct connection between bad sex and no sex to barack obama. if you're having bad sex, it's barack obama's fault. if you're having no sex, it's barack obama's fault. if the bed is too hard, it's barack obama's fault. absolutely, there is no question. >> but you know what the obama
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administration would say, if you're having a bad sex life because of the economy, blame bush. >> well, you know something? it's been four years. you can now blame bush's portrait which is hanging there. now obama can blame bush from the white house in the white house. look, seriously speaking, i think the economy does affect people's psyche. and to tell you the truth, watching this presidential race is enough to give you a bad sex life. >> dean, as a comic, you see people in the club and you see them on dates all the time. can you see a difference when you look the audience during a bad economy compared to a good one when it comes to relationships, people going out on dates? >> when the economy is good, there's more people in the clubs and it's more fun for everyone and they have more money for drinks, which makes me funnier, which is a good thing. if you drank more during the show, i would be so much funnier.
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the more money you're making, the better you feel about yourself, and sometimes for many, not making money, you feel bad about yourself and it spills into your personal life. >> don't blame me for your lack of humor. it's like blaming the obama administration or bush for bad sex. >> i blame president bush. >> from a woman's perspective, anna, can you take dean and i into the inner circle here? do women care a lot about how much money a guy makes? >> the thought of taking you and dean into the inner circle is slightly scary. the role of men and women in relationships, it's changed through the years. you know, there's women today who make a lot more than the men and don't care. there's women who want to be stay at home moms and stay at home and be supported.
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at that point they have to get into a relationship where that's possible to sustain a lifestyle like they want. so yeah, it's different strokes for different folks. some women care, some women don't care. >> my girlfriend makes more money, and she tells me no money, no honey. so i have a lot of pressure to make money if i want honey. >> i'm surprised by that, that you have a girlfriend. >> thank you, don. >> i tweeted out about the economy and sex life and one woman tweeted and said, all i need is 25 bucks to buy "50 shades of gray" and i'm good. >> i think she's going to need $75 because it's a trilogy. >> did you do anything fun over the memorial day weekend?
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>> it was one of the greatest saturdays of my life. >> anna, did you have fun? >> i had a great time. we were in napa, in california. and the only thing, i was a little shocked that foixgras is going to be illegal in california. >> you better buy a big gulp in new york. this is what i did during the break, anna. check it out. that is a huge white marlin. >> you caught that? you seriously caught that? >> i seriously caught that. that was near anna in the keys. anna is in miami. but look at that. i couldn't even hold on to that. >> what did you do with it? >> it's catch and release. we made sure he went back in the water. >> important for you to say that and not get a lot of tweets from the peta folks.
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>> is that a fake fish that everyone gets to take a picture with? >> shut up, dean. thank you, guys. good to see you again. >> thank you, don. a former president returns to the white house and a whole lot of laughs. >> you will now be able to gaze at this portrait and ask, what would george do? >> it is just like old times. george w. bush in the white house for good. find out why. we want our viewers to stay connected to cnn. grab your mobile phone and go to cnn.com/tv.
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brings an interesting symmetry to the white house collection. it now starts and ends with a george w. i'm also pleased, mr. president, that when you're wandering these halls as you wrestle with tough decisions, you'll now be able to gaze at this portrait and ask, what would george do? >> so that was the official portrait, his and his wife's laura, former first lady being unveiled. he opened up by saying, i would like to thank everyone who came to my hanging today, hanging of the portrait. george w. bush in the white house. it's almost like the old days. >> we've got an issue in america. too many good docs are getting out of business. too many obgyns aren't able to practice their love with women across this country. >> tip your bar tenders and wait staff, everybody. i thought that was longer.
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send me a tweet. tell me what your favorite bushism is. appreciate you joining us here. i'm don lemon. i'll see you back here tomorrow night, 6:00, 7:00, 10:00 p.m. eastern. have a great night, everyone. good night! i mean one person i really want to talk to. >> this is the real dave letterman. this is why you never see him guesting anywhere! he won't do it!
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