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>> tonight, tonight we tell wisconsin, we tell our country, and we tell people all across the globe that voters really do want leaders who stand up and make the tough decisions. >> cnn's ted rowlands for us this morning is in madison. good morning to you, ted. >> reporter: good morning, soledad. you see the video of that woman slapping tom barrett, and a lot of talk about that, obviously, this morning. we don't know who that woman is and we've been trying to find out who she is, and whether or not she was questioned by police or anything, if this was something that did raise the eyebrows of people at the event. barrett did comment to a local reporter about it saying he was shocked about it, claims the woman asked him just before she slapped him, may i slap you in the face for conceding too early, and he said well i'd rather get a hug from you so he says he leaned in and she
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slapped him anyway, so he was shocked, obviously. we still have not i.d.'d this woman. tom barrett, obviously loses the recall but he did talk to walker and he says he told the folks he wants to work with walker. walker said in his concession speech says he's planning on having the democrats and everybody over for beer and brats, because this state as you know, soledad, has been absolutely divided over this. there's a lot of healing that needs to happen from this point on. one thing that scott walker doesn't have, he has his job still but doesn't have a complete majority. it appears as though there was a tight race last night and it hasn't been officially certified yet but it appears as though the balance of power in the senate here, the state senate shifted to the democrats, so scott walker doesn't have a complete majority but obviously one thing he wanted was his job intact which he does have this morning. >> he has that but he might have
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some other problems down the road. ted rowlands in madison, appreciate that. clbs cls has a look at the other stories making headlines today. good morning. >> good morning, soledad. jury selection in the jerry sandusky rape trial resumes. in a couple of hours, nine jurors have been seated so far and some potentially explosive evidence is revealed, an abc news report says sandusky wrote love letters to one of his alleged victims and showered him with gifts. that victim now 28 years old is expected to be the prosecution's first witness. sandusky's charged with sexually abusing ten boys. we'll have a live report next hour. romney's campaign confirming it's investigating whether their candidate had a private e-mail account hacked, an anonymous hacker reportedly signed into romney's old hotmail account after guessing the answer to a security question about one of his pets. several e-mails from romney answer days as governor of massachusetts appearing in
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yesterday's "wall street journal." a u.s. drone strike taking out another top terrorist in pakistan, the white house now confirming that abu yahya al libi, the number two man in al qaeda and most public face of the terror group is now dead. he was seen as a rock star in jihadist circles. he escaped in afghanistan at bagram airbase and then bragged about it on the web. a rare planetary spectacle. how rare? you won't see venus in transit across the face of the sun for another 105 years. the planet moved between the earth and the sun took some seven hours to complete, so millions of people on this planet were able to watch using protective eyewear and telescopes. first lady michelle obama plugging her new book "american grown" while delivering the top ten list on letterman last night. >> and the number one fun fact
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about gardening -- >> with enough care and effort, you can grow your own barackoli. >> meantime there is obama says she's not in favor of a federal ban on big sugary drinks but praises mayor bloomberg on his effort. let's get back to the recall race in wisconsin, many talk about the election having national stakes. we showed you the video of a woman slapping milwaukee mayor tom barrett after he conceded, makes it clear as we heard from ted that emotions are running very high in that state. it was an election that literally pitted neighbor against neighbor, family members against other family members. "time" magazine's joe klein has been covering news and politics for 42 years, he's doing his third annual election tour of the nation which is going to take him eventually through wisconsin. right now he's in philadelphia. nice to see you.
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thanks for being with us. we appreciate it. >> good to be here. >> have you ever seen that where a supporter slaps the candidate because she's angry that he conceded too early while people are still in line to vote? >> no. you know, i've seen some candidates get kicked in the shins from time to time, but not after they conceded. i mean, usually people know when it's over, and you know, that just speaks to how high-pitched the tempers are in this country right now. it's one thing i'm finding on the road, i've been through north carolina, virginia, states like wisconsin, which are going to be the states that decide this election and there are deep pockets of blue, deep pockets of red, and people aren't talking to each other. >> and they're very, very angry and i think sometimes scared, too. last night, mitt romney said that tonight's results will echo beyond the borders of wisconsin. do you think that that's true? >> no. you know, the exit polls yesterday said obama led romney
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51-45 in wisconsin. i think what this election says is this. people don't like gimmicks. scott walker was elected two years ago. he tried to govern according to the way he saw fit. he did nothing illegal, and the public employees unions who were used to getting their way didn't like it, and they tried to unseat him, and it's kind of like when the republicans tried to impeach bill clinton in the late 1990s, the public saw it as just a tremendous waste of time and money, and bill clinton's popularity remained what it was from the beginning of that process to the end of the process, but the republican's popularity plummeted. people should pay attention when they vote in the real elections. you don't get do-overs in elections, and so i think that the unions and the democrats got their come-uppance for
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interfering in the natural process of electoral politics. >> when i talked to tom barrett yesterday he said to me that he thought if enough people turned out he could win. here's what he said. >> i think what we're going to see a huge voter turnout in wisconsin so a lot of the projections are based on 2010 projections where there was low voter turnout. we are very confident there will be hundreds of thousands of additional voters and that's what buoys our confidence so much. >> when you look at the voter turnout, throw that number up on the screen for you in 2010 it was at 50%. 2012, 58%. they got a higher voter turnout and didn't help him. what was wrong with his math? >> i think he was misinterpreting the will of the electorate. as i said, people just don't like to be messed with, and i thought that this was a major, severe miscalculation on the part of the unions, who emerge
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from this in a weaker position. >> so you have been to north carolina in your road trip. you've been to virginia. i know you're in philadelphia, pennsylvania, today and i know you're talking to people on all sides sort of politically and independents as well and much of the election always focuses on how the independents are feeling. what are they telling you specifically? >> well, actually, you know, soledad, i spent six months covering republicans during the presidential primaries, and during the first days of this trip, i spent some time with republicans, but more time with democrats, because i hadn't spoken to democrats in a while, and in places like virginia and north carolina, they're really, really frustrated that they can't talk to the other side. one woman in virginia said to me, my mouth is bloody because i keep on having to bite my tongue. there's just a sense of tremendous frustration, and obama care keeps on coming up.
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i was in the middle of a fierce confrontation at a recovery program, of all places, between a recovering drug addict and a recovering alcoholic, the drug addict wanted to get obama care, the alcoholic didn't. turned out he was a military guy. he gets free medical care and so do his colleagues, but he doesn't mind that because he trusts them. they served, and one thing that people keep on bringing up on this trip is that there needs to be common experiences that we have both left and right, and the idea of mandatory national service, much to my surprise, has come up at almost every one of the town meetings i've had and there have been ten of those so far. >> interesting. that kind of takes a whole different direction. i'd love to talk to you about that more as you. to travel, the conversation you're hearing on the road. nice to see you as always. we're looking forward could
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checking with you on your road trip. still ahead a top republican man tossed around as contender for vice president, virginia governor bob mcdonnell will talk to us, campaigned for walker in wisconsin, we'll talk about implications of this race. also, sheryl crow, she survived breast cancer and now opening up about her new health scare she thinks is causing her to sometimes forget her lyrics. and a mom says her daughter's baby doll has a potty mouth. this story is crazy. we'll leave you with led zep lin, "good times, bad times" off of joe klein's playlist. you're watching "starting point" and we are back in just a moment. [ male announcer ] when this hotel added aflac
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author of "american individualism." we have to talk about that book one of these days. >> i would love to. >> we talk about it but we never talk about it. will cain is a columnist with theblaze.com and ryan lizza, washington correspondent for "the new yorker." our get real, if you are not inspired you have no heart and no soul. >> set me up for failure. >> you will be inspired. this is an act of sportsmanship that track fans in ohio had a chance to witness over the weekend. meghan vogel, the young lady on your right, she's a junior at west liberty salem high school in ohio, just won the 600 meter state champions and worn out for the 3,200 meters. she was in 15th place and notices the runner in front of her in 14th place had collapsed, two options, she can just run by the girl and not be last or she can do what she did, which was to stop, pick up the
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runner,arden mcmath, pick her up and carry her across the finish line. she pushes a little bittarden in front of her soarden finishes in 14th place and in fact, our young lady finishes in 15th place. meghan comes in last in the 3,200 meter, and she says this, she's so modest, she says "any girl on the track would have done the same for me." i love her. >> not so sure about that that anybody would have done the same thing but kudos to her for demonstrating sportsmanship. i think she wasn't having a strong day and she knew she wasn't going to get in the top three positions and did the right thing. >> in fact she was in last place but she'd already won the state championship. >> this is the most heartwarming story i've seen all year. >> and they're picking it apart, let's see her motivation of this teenage girl.
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>> washington politician. >> i think what we're doing, are we hinting had she been in first place i don't know she should have stopped? >> i would agree with that. >> if she hadn't been in first place ranking wise? >> if she had been winning that race -- >> she quoont' have anyone in front of her who would have fallen. >> wouldn't have been able to see. >> wow, how can you -- >> i'd like to see you two on the side of the road. >> i won the sportsmanship award in high school so i can identify with meghan and i think she did the right thing. >> you carried a teammate across the finish line? >> i don't remember what i did to get it to be honest. >> when i won my sportsmanship award i carried one on my back and one under my arm but this is a nice story, too. good job, meghan, seriously, beautiful. she doesn't have to get real. she is real. >> she is honest. moving ahead on "starting point" this morning, one of the country's top republicans virginia governor bob mcdonnell
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welcome back to "starting point." big win for republican wisconsin governor scott walker. he defeated the milwaukee mayor, tom barrett in an expensive recall election which was wildly characterizeds as a litmus test for the presidential election. here's barrett in his concession speech. >> the state remains divided and it is my hope that while we have lively debates, a lively
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discourse which is healthy in any democracy, that those who are victorious tonight as well as those of us who are not victorious tonight can at the end of the day do what is right for wisconsin families. that is what our duty is. that is what we must do to the people of this state. >> so walker becomes its first u.s. governor to survive a recall north dakota kicked out governor lynn frazier back in 1921, california got rid of gray dave this 2003. wisconsin's lieutenant governor, republican rebecca kleeefisch will keep her job. governor mcdonnell is the chairman of the governor's republican association, he campaigned for governor walk per. great to have you back. we appreciate it. >> thank you, soledad, thank you. >> another big win. tick off top three reasons why the governor was able to keep his job and he won.
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>> i think it was overreached by the labor unions. this is the third recall, they tried a judge, legislators and now governor and i think people realize this is too much. secondly and i think most importantly scott walker is a man of courage and principle. he said we have a budget deficit and have to eliminate it without raising taxes and he did it and we have a job deficit too high and created 30,000 more jobs and cut property taxes for the first time in a decade. his reforms, soledad, actually worked, and thirdly, is the organization on the ground, the republican governor's association chipped in about $9 million because we believe in scott walker but groups like americans for prosperity, the nra and others who really believed this was a microcosm of what was happening in washington and the issues in the election for president on jobs and spending and taxes and deficit, and so the coalitions were
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active and worked very well on the ground, and i think that's why he won. >> there are some people who say the metaphor, for being what's going to happen in november are not necessarily true when you look at the outside money that came in, that's not going to be the same thing that will potentially happen come november. do you think that's a valid argument? >> i think it's a big excuse. nobody said that when president obama won in 2008, having twice as much money as john mccain and all the outside interests that came in to help. i think that's a bogus argument. the point is, largely the same issues that mitt romney and barack obama are talking about, the $16 trillion national debt, almost $6 trillion of which created about i this president and unemployment rate at 8.1% for 40 straight months, unacceptable, and mitt romney has got different ideas and it's going to be romney's ideas against obama's record, similar to what happened in the election
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in wisconsin. i think the issue matrix is the same. >> sarah palin said this about democrats and president owe ba in. listen. >> i think that the democrats there understand that the president's no show represents the fact that obama's moose is cooked, as more and more americans realize that what wisconsin has just manifested via this vote embracing austerity and fiscal responsibility is the complete opposite of what president obama and the white house represents today. >> she's talking of course about the fact that at obama did not show up to help mayor barrett. he sent a tweet out encouraging people to vote for hill. do you think that's true, in fact president obama's goose is cooked? the polling doesn't seem to indicate that in the state of wisconsin. >> five months is a long time before any goose is cooked but she's right on a couple things. one is president obama absolutely ignored wisconsin. he flew last week from minnesota to illinois, almost over the
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state and declined to get in there, and actually make an appearance, although the dnc was heavily engaged with all of their resources and couldn't muster the same results as the ground game. she's also correct when she says that president obama's had a different leadership style than scott walker. walker took charge, honest with the people about spending and debt and taxes and made a difference and now getting results with job numbers and a balanced budget. president obama has not exercised the bold leadership it takes to get america out of debt and back to work. he keeps making excuses. >> exit polls show the same people who elected or let governor walker keep his job in exit polling said, and i'm going to support president obama. i could throw the poll number. >> we'll see. >> i understand exit polls aren't final polls, 51% for obama -- oh, that's romney, 44% for romney choice for president in the general election so the
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exit polls would indicate there's a little bit of a contradiction in there. >> well, i think that may be right. i'll let the pundits analyze that in the next couple of weeks. this is generally looked at as a blue state. scott walker won bigger last night than two years ago when he got elected governor for the first time. it helps to putis with withis in play given the fact it's about somebody getting results and fixing problems on debt and budget and jobs. that's what walker did and what romney is talking about. i do think in some of the swing states, wisconsin, virginia, florida, ohio, others, when the debate is about getting america out of debt and back to work, this is good news that this is the message that romney is going to be driving that voters in wisconsin responded to and nationally will, too, as well. >> as we started our conversation you said number one the part of the message was overreach, the unions shouldn't have pushed for a recall anyway. >> true. >> also there was a contested democratic primary which
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weakened barrett to a large degree as he was heading into the election eventually. so all of those reasons might argue against your own point one, might argue against your bigger point and might come back to jobs. >> well, voters in wisconsin voted for what they thought was best for wisconsin, soledad. that's absolutely true. my point is that the issues in wisconsin are very similar to what the issues are going to be in this race in november. overwhelmingly voters say how do we get the greatest country on earth back to earth? 8.1% unemployment rate for 40 months unacceptable. it's time to get results and stop making excuses and blaming republicans or wall street or somebody else for what's going on, and his policies haven't worked. the attacks on the energy industry around the country, i'm seeing it in virginia, i think people are ready to say we want leaders who will say this is what we need to do. we can't afford to have the greatest nation on earth go into debt $5 trillion every three
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years, we need a new fiscal policy and therefore we need a new president. i'm saying that's the bigger issue that i see from last night that translates into victory for romney in november. >> governor bob mcdonnell, republican from the state of virginia, nice to see you. thanks for being with us. we appreciate that. >> thank you, soledad. good to be on. ahead on "starting point" we'll tell you why singer sheryl crow says we shouldn't worry about the fact she's been diagnosed with a brain tumor. we'll talk with senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen about the risks and the reasoning, too. disney teaming up with first lady michelle obama to fight childhood obesity, what they've decided to do, what they're going to ban to help children become healthier. that sentence made no sense but i'll explain it on the other side. y ] as soon as you leave here... plaque quickly starts to grow back. but now there's a way to keep the clean longer. introducing new crest pro-health clinical rinse. it's a clinical breakthrough that actually keeps your teeth
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day answer headlines. hi, christine. >> good morning, thank you. the senate to investigate loose lips. "the new york times" reports lawmakers are worried about recent national security leaks to the media including reports about a presidential kill list for terrorists and the use of cyber warfare against iran. next hour soledad will be joined by "the times" chief washington correspondent who wrote about the secret cyber war against iran's nuclear program. former chicago resident fidel urbina wanted for raping and beating a woman in 1998 has been the subject of a nationwide manhunt since 1999. is he a mexican national and authorities believe he may be hiding there. u.s. stock futures indicating stocks may open higher this morning, dow futures up more than 100 points. markets are up worldwide, too, all in anticipation that the european central bank will cut interest rates. that's good news for the u.s. since the european and american banking systems are so interconnected. are you bored of facebook,
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bored of facebook? a new poll from reuters ipso says a third of users surveyed are spending less time. the top reason, they're bored with it. investors seem to be bored with it a bit, the stock is down from $38 a share, closing under $26 a share, up 2% in premarket this morning so we'll watch the facebook file today. the walt disney company delivering a message to its advertisers, get healthy. disney plans to stop running ads for junk food during children's programming. the rules for food and beverage ads won't take next until 2015. michelle obama calls it a game changer for the health of america's children. baby babble or the "b" word? the mother of a little girl in texas says a doll she bought at a toys "r" us as a christmas present has a potty mouth. you decide. >> i just never paid attention to what the dolls say.
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they coo, cry, say mama, daddy and this particular day i hear "you crazy [ bleep ]" i turn and i'm like wow. >> the doll is part of the you and me interactive triplet doll set. toys "r" us says it wouldn't sell a doll that says profanity and people are confusing something that is supposed to be baby jib rish. >> overwhelmed by the triplets and napsy talk of the little baby triplet. >> i didn't quite hear that. >> i didn't. >> got to use your imagination to hear that. >> i didn't hear that and i listen for those things. all right, after a battle with breast cancer there's a frightening new diagnosis for singer sheryl crow. her representatives confirm she does have a brain tumor. good news it's bedemean. we get to senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen. you hear brain tumor and honestly you think oh my god, fatal. how serious is the brain tumor
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she has? >> exactly, that is in the state that a the lo of people make. this is a bemine brain tumor called meningioma and sanjay gupta, who is a neurosurgeon, spoke with sheryl crow yesterday and she says, this is just a bump in the road, and that she is not having surgery, which i know sounds crazy. you think gee you have a tumor, you need to yank it out but that's not unusual with a meningioma. if it's small, not growing agrelsively and not in any location that's a problem, doctors often leave it in and do periodic mris which he says he's going to do to make sure it's not growing quickly. >> she talked about and there was this much publicized moment where she forgot the lyrics to her own song "soak up the sun." i'm going to play a little bit of that. ♪ watching tv ♪ mmm oh, what's the words? it's live. nothing on tape here.
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>> is there a connection between being forgetful and having a brain tumor in her particular case? because she said she was beginning to feel very forgetful, and this is one of the things that seemed to be an explanation for her. >> sheryl crow told sanjay she asked her doctor is there a connection between the memory lapse and my brain tumor and her doctor said no. he said look, you're 50 years old. you've got two little kids, touring all around the country. we forget things sometimes. he said there was no connection to the brain tumor, the brain tumor isn't anyplace where it would affect her memory. >> you're old and worn out, you're tired. get a sitter and take a nap. you'll be fine. >> i hope i look so good when i'm old and worn out and tired, sheryl crow. >> she's a breast cancer survivor. is the tumor connected to that particular cancer? >> it's certainly not a
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metasthesis of the breast cancer but studies show women who have breast cancer are more likely to later on get meningioma because they are often connected to hormones and so they think, doctors think maybe that's what's going on, breast cancer is involved in hormones, too, so are meningiomas. >> could be potentially linked a little bit. what does she do, wait and every few months go back and get another brain scan? >> she's getting periodic mris and they will measure it carefully and if at any point they say wow, this is growing quickly, then they might do something. >> we wish her the very best. that's amazing that you can, you know, be up on stage and have a brain tumor. >> right. >> incredible. elizabeth thank you, appreciate it. >> thanks. still ahead on "starting point" the slap heard around the country, milwaukee mayor tom barrett loses the recall election and gets slapped upside the head by a supporter. we'll tale you why this woman was so mad. mark kennedy shriver will
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morning, metaphorically and literally by a female supporter. you can see it here. >> the lady smiling? >> the shorter woman and so you can barely see her because she's not very tall, see right there the brownish hair. >> when she rubs her shoulder. >> she's a supporter. >> i don't think that's a real, a love slap like i could do it to will. >> no, no, no. >> oh my gosh, i'm against violence in all forms. but you know what? to me you see it underscored it was not a fake smack. >> she seemed like she was angry. >> she was mad apparently because they were closing the polls, he was giving his concession speech at a time when people were still apparently lined up. >> from the start this story has been just ripe with emotion and craziness, if we remember back a year ago when legislators in wisconsin ran out of the state, went to neighboring states to avoid the vote from start to finish, this has been crazy. >> crazy because i think there's a lot at stake for people emotionally obviously, and their
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livelihoods and their careers. >> so much for the talk of civility though, huh? >> your own supporter, that's a very bad, bad dire sign. >> that's the low moment when you've invested so much in that election and your guy says it's over and concedes and for whatever reason she felt the race wasn't over and it was. >> the election last night was a resounding victory for scott walker. this is another piece of hefd that those who supported it were against scott walker on the issue were always very, very, very dedicated. did they represent the majority in wisconsin, now we know the answer to that is no. it doesn't mean they didn't feel strongly. >> this was a resounding victory with an asterisk because you have the state senate district 21, where john lehman appears to have won, right? he did his victory speech and that then means the senate now
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goes to the democrats. he's a democrat, he was able to oust van juan wanguard. >> looking for a caveat in a resounding victory. this was about scott walker and collective bargaining rights. >> it's how he's going to be able to govern is impacted by the asterisk i just mentioned which is this guy is changing the direction of the senate. i don't think it's a completely nothing kind of thing. i don't think it is. >> i agree with soledad on this. >> thank you, ryan. >> the senate will be democrat controlled. this is not going to be a romney state in the fall unless it's a complete collapse for obama. no republican has won wisconsin in a general election since roned areagan's re-election. the lesson of this is recalls are stupid, and don't recall your governor. >> you heard it from mcdonnell a little while ago. the first thing he said was that the union should not have done it. >> absolutely, it was overreach by the unions. >> dnc was never mind it,
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president barack obama never behind it because they knew it was a losing issue. everyone knew it was a losing issue. labor unions dropped collective bargaining rights early on. it wasn't bourquing. >> it expanded out to other issues. >> there were 150 recalls in state legislatures across the country in the last year, 150. recalls should be used for misdemeanors and high crimes, not for actually doing what you say you're going to do when you get elected into office. ahead on "starting point," mark shriver has a new book out and tell us what his father's secret to a successful life was. a former nfl star reveals he's gay, and what it was like to be gay and keeping a secret, wade davis, he'll join news his first interview. you're watching "starting point." [ male announcer ] this is corporate caterers, miami, florida.
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he helped president kennedy create the peace corps, he was u.s. ambassador to france in the late 1960s, served as president of the special olympics but sergeant shriver's son says his father was not only great, he was good. in his shriver remembers presidt clinton's remarks at his father's funeral. could anybody really be as good as he seemed to be. every other man in this church feels about two inches tall right now. the audience roared and more than anything i feel grateful i had a father whose shoes i could never fill against whom i never would measure up. this is a beautiful book and incredible testament to your father who a lot of people would say is great like capital g great. a great man. he would write essays about him in high school and junior high school. you wanted to discover the goodness of your father and how he was so hopeful and optimistic about life. where did that come from?
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>> joyful. he was really joyful. many people said he was a good man after he died. i thought it was a nice phrase to say to someone that their dad died but they were taking the phrase back. i looked at it. was it because he created the peace corps and working with my mop with special olympics across the globe but he was married to my mom for 56 years, went to mass every day, could balance it all and this book as it comes on father's day provides keen insight about how to balance friends and family and faith and jobs. dad had keen insights into that. i'm hoping it will help people become better. >> you write about growing up as a kennedy and competition looking to success of your parents trying to figure out how you're going to emulate even a portion of what they've been able to accomplish. what was that pressure like? >> i think we were -- the family
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was involved in presidential campaigns from '56 to '80. it's a lot of action over a long period of time. i think when you grow up in that environment you see people succeed on the national and international stage and it makes you think you ought to do that. really what i think made my dad unique was he wanted to do that type of work but he knew who he was. he went to mass every day. he thought about and asked for help from god and had a personal relationship with god and he had great relationship with my mom. he had great balance in his life. that's the key to success. he saw his actions and efforts to spread hope and love around the world whether the peace corps or head start or his work in the '50s on racial justice issues in chicago with martin luther king. he's really consistent throughout his life on what he wanted to do and try to make a difference. the book provides that insight on how to create that balance when there are competing interest on all of us. my wife and i struggle with this every day. we have three little kids and ageing parents. we're all taking notes.
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it's impossible. it's an impossible struggle. >> it's hard. >> you tell a great story about when your 12 years old. your father has secret service p protection. >> he made the announcement he was dropping out. we get on the airplane and head agent comes over to sign some paperwork. they close the door. we land in destination and the door opens and there's nobody there to greet you. >> by secret service. >> you have to get in a cab to get to the hotel. i realize in politics when you're done, you're done and people that care about you are your family and relationship with true friends because guys that are sucking up to you are gone. that was a good lesson for a 12 year old. that's part of life. what really matters is your family, your faith and your friends. >> as a political junky, i love the diplomacy that your dad has
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to do between robert kennedy and lbj after the assassination. how did you see that unfold and what was that like? >> i reflected on it after dad died. amazing thing he was asked to do the funeral by jackie. got a call on friday afternoon. my mom was pregnant with me. i'm born in february. he dies in november. my mom had just come back from a doctor's appointment with my brother timmy and they were eating lunch together in washington all three of them. they get the call to go to the peace corps and then dad gets a call from jackie. i think it was just a fact he got along with so many people. he had profound faith. he got along incredibly well with jackie and with that family but also had a good relationship with vice president johnson. vice president johnson gave him great advice on keeping the peace corps a separate entity away from the state department and make it sure the peace corps would be different. he had the ability to get around with different people and have their respect at all times.
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he had this incredible talent in so many different ways. also smart and strategic in creating the peace corps and getting that done. >> what was your father's ultimate legacy. >> and riddle. you want to solve the riddle of him. >> the riddle is the fact his faith. he went every day and prayed. and acknowledged he was that guy. a lot of guys and women in this country in particular think they have to be the alpha person. they have to run everything. dad realized that he wasn't in charge. he was going to do the best he could with whatever god gave him. that's what he said when he had alzheimer's a couple years before he died. he said i'm doing the best i can with what god has given me. every day was a challenge. he tried the best he could. he realized he wasn't in charge. that gave him incredible energy but kept him in the moment. he was focused on you whether you are a cnn correspondent on
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the waitress at his favorite restaurant. he had that ability to be in the moment which is hard to do but had an incredible amount of energy. >> the book is called "a good man rediscovering my father." nice to have you with us. beautiful book. i loved it. >> you can say that again if you want. >> i should hold it here and father's day is coming -- it's such a beautiful book. for mothers too. i think anyone who is trying to figure out how are you not striving to be great in what you do but good in the world. >> a lot of great people aren't good. >> no truer words may have ever been said. i think your father was a tremendous exception to that. nice to have you. still ahead on "starting point," why did former nfl player wait so long to reveal he's gay? wade davis will stop by to talk to us about that. it's a "starting point" exclusive and sarah palin on the wisconsin recall vote. why the results show that president obama's goose is cooked. those are her words. you're watching "starting point." back in just a moment.
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welcome, everybody. our "starting point." is it a wake-up call for the white house out of what happened in wisconsin? >> voters really do want leaders who stand up and make the tough decisions. >> wisconsin's republican governor scott walker survives his recall election. so what does it mean for democrats come november? and then adding insult to injury, a woman slaps milwaukee's mayor in the face after he concedes the race to walker. got the story behind that video you're looking at right there. also this morning, cyberattacks and hit list. the book that takes us inside president obama's secret wars. a former professional football player comes out and talks about the challenges of being gay in the locker room.
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a "starting point" exclusive. it's wednesday. it's d day. june 6th. putting us on the spot. "starting point" begins right now. ♪ ♪ please don't stop the music >> we're sharing pens. no stealing. just borrowing. that's rihanna. it is d-day. thank you, will cain, for backing me up on that. >> i'm going with the host on that one. >> soledad says it's true. >> is that how it goes. that's why i like you, ryan. margaret hoover author of "american individualism" and will cain is columnist for blaze.com. governor scott walker must be celebrating his decisive victory in wisconsin.
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he defeated tom barrett in the state's recall election. walker's win is a serious loss for big labor, and for democrats too. it means wisconsin could become a crucial battleground state come the presidential election. walker is the first u.s. governor to survive a recall. north dakota kicked out its governor back in 1921 and california got rid of gray davis in 2003. i was living in california at the time of that. last night walker's victory delivered a message not only to wisconsin but also to the nation. >> tonight we tell wisconsin, we tell our country, and we tell people all across the globe that voters really do want leaders who stand up and make the tough decisions. >> the best moment that probably captures the emotion of the night was probably this when a barrett supporter slapped,
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literally, slapped the mayor across the face because he conceded before all voters finished going to the polls. did you see that slap? what happened? can you walk me through it? >> i didn't see it at all. >> so we have video of it. i'll describe it for you if you haven't seen it. a woman standing in front of him, a crowd of supporters smiling. he's conceded. she slaps him and then she kind of grabs him sort of not in a bad way on the arm almost like rubbing his arm a little bit. i have to imagine a lot of this is tensions were very, very high. what was that room like last night? >> the room was very passionate. in fact, feelings in wisconsin for the past year and a half have been very, very strongly passionate on both sides. emotions tend to run high in situations like that. obviously it was a tough night for democrats. at the same time, wisconsin democrats in the state senate picked up a seat so we have control in the state senate so
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it's mixed messages last night. no doubt the passion is strong in wisconsin on either side. >> what do you think happens now? as you mention that state senate seat is picked up. a big victory for the governor. what does it mean moving forward for reforms he's trying to put in place? >> well, what we need to do is obviously work together as best as we can and the governor won last night and won decisively but at the same time exit polling shows president obama leaving governor romney in wisconsin by the same percentage. it's kind of a mixed message in the fact that last night scott walker won and if the presidential election was last night in wisconsin, president obama would have won. what senate democrats need to do with governor walker is sit down and work him as best we can and find where we can agree which is what we've been trying to do in the last year and a half and move our state forward as the governor says. >> what do you think happened? what would you tick off two reasons why governor walker won? was it just that it was a bad idea to go for a recall at all? >> well, i tell you what, in
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wisconsin in the past 15 months we've probably had 14 or 15 recalls. i think people are sick of recalls in wisconsin. the exit polling shows that people in wisconsin support public employees strongly and support the right of collective bargaining and by sending governor walker back to the governor's residence what people are saying is not so much about the policies, just that they've had it with recalls and feel very strongly that removing governor walker from office right now for what he's done isn't the right way to go. >> exit polls show that president obama actually has a decent lead in the state and it is contradictory to how the vote went. do you think if obama hadn't not just sent a tweet but got involved and pusheded f ed foed barrett that results could have been different and he would have won? >> i don't think so at all. governor walker to his credit really fired up the democratic base in wisconsin. there were volunteers all over the state thousands of them
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working hard to get out the vote. had we got to 60 or 61% turnout it may have been a different outcome with you we didn't. i don't think president obama coming to wisconsin would have made a difference. we are talking about 100,000 votes. if you look at the exit polling that you just mentioned, president obama is sitting well in wisconsin. definitely a mixed message. >> democratic strategist paul begala said it was the wrong call. not only the wrong call but disloyal. here's what he said. >> barrett when he was mayor of milwaukee endorsed senator obama against senator clinton in that primary. there's a loyalty thing here. this is an easy call. i think my friends in the white house made the wrong one. >> he says wrong call. give me a sense of what this means now in practical terms moving forward. what will happen in the state and what doesn't happen in the state now that you have the senate in hands of democrats and you have governor walker and anger and people with a lot to get over before they can work together. what's it going to look like?
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>> democrats and republicans have a responsibility since democrats control the state senate now to sit down and find where we can agree and work together on particular issues and make sure we respect one another's opinions. that being said getting back to the original comment, i'm not sure the white house or the campaign actually for the president made the right call or wrong call. i don't think that's necessarily the issue. if you look at the margin that governor walker won by and look at exit polling as far as president and governor romney are concerned, it's about the same. the white house and the campaign made its decision to do whatever. i'm not certain it would have made a difference. in the end what we need to do in wisconsin is we need to pick up the pieces and move forward and the senate democrats control the senate and governor walker is back in the governor's mansion and we have a responsibility to work together. >> senator, this is will cain. soledad and you mentioned 15 some odd recalls, the passion you talked about several times and you talk about politicians having to move on. tell me about the people of wisconsin. for those that don't live there, we can't fully appreciate -- you
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couldn't go to a bar or a family reunion without having these conversations. how do people of wisconsin move on or do they? you have another one in november. what do people in wisconsin do here? >> right. well, they move on by watching how governor walker treats the senate democrats and how senate democrats treat governor walker and how well we can work together. there is absolutely no doubt that we still remain deeply divided in wisconsin and family members can't talk about things right now and friendships have been lost over this and it's irresponsible to governor theors that. we have a responsibility to sit down and work together as best as we can and hopefully that's what we'll do. >> nice to have you with us. we appreciate your time updating us on what's happening in the state of wisconsin where
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emotions run very high. >> i'm not sure that voters agree with what he made that governor walker was irresponsible. i think we saw 50 some odd percentage of the vote that said something different. >> i think again the big take away, one governor walker keeps the job and, two, people are clearly sick of recalls as he pointed out and number three, the obama support is an interesting thing in exit polls. you have to see if that bears itself out when it comes to a general election and exit polling can be not necessarily -- there are lots of interesting messages. >> he's also right that obama could not have been the difference in this race despite what begala said about loyalty, if obama campaigned, he wouldn't make up that deficit for barrett. >> it seems like the white house was watching what was happening saying there is not an upside to jumping in on something where people are angry about recalls where the thing was a bit of a hot mess when you had a contested democratic primary any way weakening barrett before he went into the election. it's a multifactoral reasons for
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what happened and it will be interesting how it plays out come november. let's get a look at the headlines. christine romans has that for us. good morning. >> good morning to you, soledad. a strange development in the jerry sandusky child rape trial. a news report says he sent love letters to one of his victims and showered him with gifts. that victim who is now 28 is expected to be the prosecution's first witness at trial. the former penn state football coach is charged with sexually abusing ten poinboys over a 15- period. both sides expect to complete jury selection today and begin opening statements monday. just into cnn, a u.s. federal drug raid happening right now in san juan, puerto rico. they arrested dozens of airport employees. officials say the airport had just installed a brand new system to check cargo for drugs. more arrests are happening in a metropolitan section of san juan. busts are part of an investigation of two different
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cases by the dea and the justice department. a u.s. drone strike taking out another top terrorists in pakistan. the white house now confirming that abu yahya al libi, the number two man in al qaeda and most public face of the terror group is dead. he was seen as a rock star in jihadist circles. he was captured in 2002 and locked up at bagram air base in afghanistan but escaped in 2005 and bragged about it on the web. u.s. stock futures looking higher right now. dow futures are up 85 points right now. investors around the world are watching europe very closely right now european central bank meeting. sarah palin offering her analysis of the wisconsin election on fox news last night. mocking president obama's no show in the state. >> i think that the democrats understand that the president's no show represents the fact that obama's goose is cooked as more
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and more americans realize that what wisconsin has just manifested via this vote embracing austerity and fiscal responsibility is a complete opposite of what president obama and the white house represents today. palin predicting what happened in wisconsin will not stay in wisconsin but will have big implications in november. >> how long are people going to stomp on that vegas thing? what happens -- can we move past that. >> once again it is proven true the worst job in the world with the least security is al qaeda's number two position. >> there seems to be a lot of number twos. we'll talk about that in a bit. also ahead this morning, former nfl player admits he's gay. wade davis talks about the challenges of being closeted as he's playing professional ball. "starting point" exclusive coming up next. and then guilty until you're proven innocent? high school seniors forced to path breathalyzers in order to graduate. this is like the two weeks of
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graduation insanity. i feel like -- >> they are coming down hard on graduation. >> i've done five graduation crazy stories. >> i never would have graduated. >> margaret and i would have been just fine. we would have been just fine. we have to take a commercial break. back in a moment. ♪ ( whirring and crackling sounds ) man: assembly lines that fix themselves. the most innovative companies
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kept a secret, one he says was eating him alive. he's gay. davis told his story to outsports and quickly it's gone viral. thank you for being with us. you didn't tell your story for a long time. why not? >> i didn't feel that i was ready and also that me being a gay person wasn't really what i wanted to be known for. having an opportunity to work at the institute gives me a chance to talk about lives i'm able to affect in a real way. >> when you were a football player in the locker room, did this secret feel like a massive burden to you. every minute of every day you were trying to figure out how not to let anyone know your secret. >> in the locker room hanging out and offsite being a regular guy, you think about making sure i should model the actions of other players.
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>> it's interesting. if you ask other players, they'll often say i won't have a problem if i had a teammate who was gay. you described it as being more nuance than that. >> i don't believe most nfl players have a problem with having a gay teammate. i do believe that there is a sense they have to protect who they are. >> their brand. their platform. >> exactly. and at the end of the day it's a job. all of these actual players have to make sure that they are seen in a certain type of light. maybe the fact that they associate with a gay player would lessen their chance of making that actual team or getting cut. >> in 2002 europe playing at nfl europe. you had a boyfriend at the time. it was the first time that you were really dating someone. acting as if that boyfriend was a girlfriend so you could talk about a personal life before then you said you had no life that was a personal life outside of football. what was that like? >> that was very lonely. when you're an athlete, you are in a bubble within a bubble.
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having an actual partner at that time gave me a sense of family and community. >> at the same time you are now -- you have a double life. the pressure must have been -- how much space does that take up in your head? >> it takes up every bit of space trying to understand the game of football at the nfl level and then just trying to hide who i was for such a long time. i became a great actor. i should get an oscar for it honestly. >> i knew when football was over my life would begin is what you said. that's what's happened. your life has begun in the work that you're doing today. >> the work that i'm allowed to do. i get to deal with real life heros every single day. >> for example? >> i have youth that are the most amazing, thoughtful, heroic youth every day. they look at me as a hero. i learn so much more from them than i could ever hope to learn from myself. they wake up not knowing where they're going to eat, sleep or how they're going to get their
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g.e.d. or high school diploma. we look at it as kind of youth at promise so that these -- >> opposed to at risk which everyone likes to say which is a phrase i hate. >> these youth have potential. they have this fire that's burning inside of them to really make it so it allows that. >> the irony is when you were first there, people thought you were straight and they also thought that -- you didn't want to tell them you were a football player because there were stereotypes that came along with that. >> i don't think it was that. i wanted to get to know the actual real me and know i was there to make a difference and to know that i'm no one special. i don't see myself as anyone special. i'm doing the work that needs to be done to make sure the youth have a chance. >> do you think it would make a difference if an nfl player came out that's currently playing opposed to after they stopped playing? >> youth can watch someone on television who is just like them. i wish i had the courage back then to come out.
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if i could do it all over again -- >> do you think it will happen again? >> it may not be in the next five to ten years but after the president made his big announcement, there's been a change. there's conversations happening now. >> you mean the gay marriage. you said if i could do it again, what would you finish? >> if i could do it over again, i would come out while i was playing because i now understand the impact that would have had. it can change the lives of so many youth with bullying that's going on and with this youth not having a sense of family. that's just why the job that i have is so important. it is the greatest job i ever had. i wake up every day excited. >> nice to have you, wade davis. a pleasure to talk to you. still ahead on "starting point," high school seniors forced to pass a new test to graduate. a breathalyzer exam. got that story coming up on "starting point." we're back in just a moment.
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♪ >> "we are fine" this is ryan lizza's playlist. >> mellow for the morning. >> let your hair down today, ryan, i noticed. no tie. >> i know. >> doing the will cain thing. >> this is the version of letting your hair down. we had a guest like that once. remember. buttoning your shirt to your naval has been done already on this show.
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some parents in minnesota are planning to sue their child's school. they smelled alcohol on 20 or some seniors and tested the entire class. officials say they had probable cause and feared some kids might drive home under the influence. the number of kids who tested positive for alcohol by the way was in the double digits. >> come on? this really gets my libertarian sensibilities. >> why? >> you can't give high school kids breathalyzer tests. if they were going to drive drunk, put them on a busnd drive them home. >> we have a societal problem on our hands. we talked about high school cracking down on this what is obviously criminal behavior of cheering too loudly at graduation and perhaps celebratory liquids. >> there are stories i haven't shared about parents who cheered too loudly and got in trouble separately from kids getting into trouble. it's interesting. the school said they had the
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ability because it would be a big violation and can't give people a breathalyzer without probable cause and a bunch of students, i think it's under 80 students were going through graduation exercises. 60 roughly did not have any probable cause at all. you would think they would be liable in a lawsuit. >> what gives the school administrator the right to give a child a breathalyzer test? >> those kids are going to go get in cars and drive off. do you really want double digits of drunk kids in cars after their graduation if you are the school administrator? absolutely not. >> call their parents and say pick them up. we have a suspicion your child is drinking. >> kids are less and less active in kids schooling and schools take on more responsibility. >> call the cops. >> "wall street journal" don't chain lambs to the flagpole. there are more problems out there. >> we haven't done that story yet. we don't have time to get into that one. we'll visit that tomorrow. still ahead on "starting
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point," cyberwarfare against iran, missing nukes in pakistan, new trouble in china. a new book looks at president obama's secret wars and sheryl crow diagnosed with brain tumor. is it making her forget the song lyrics? you're watching "starting point." we're back in just a moment. [ female announcer ] i found the best cafe in the world.
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welcome back, everybody. let's get right to the headlines. christine romans has a look at that. >> good morning again, soledad. mitt romney's campaign confirming it is investigating whether mitt romney had his private e-mail account hacked. an unanimous hacker signed into romney's old hot mail account after guessing a question to a security question about one of his pets. several e-mails from romney's days as governor of massachusetts appearing in yesterday's "wall street journal." the battle over same-sex marriage taking another case to the supreme court. this comes on the heels of a new poll that shows americans are more comfortable than ever with similar sex relationships. according to a brand new cnn poll, 54% say marriage between
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gay and lesbian couples should be recognized as valid by law. in another survey, the majority of americans, 60%, say they have gay friend or gay family member. singer sheryl crow, a breast cancer survivor, reveals she has a brain tumor. the good news is that it's benign and not cancerous. crow was diagnosed with a common type of brain tumor that doesn't require surgery but she's getting periodic scans to monitor how quickly it's growing. a bold move by disney to fight childhood obesity. the company is banning junk food advertising on programs aimed at kids and families. the new rules for food and drink ads on various networks take effect in 2015. pack as many friends into the trunk as you can and head down to google's homepage. today's google doodle is an animated tribute to the first drive-in movie theater opened in new jersey on june 6th, 1933.
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the drive-in became the place to be in the '50s and '60s. only a few hundred remain. >> i have been to a drive-in once. it was more than enough. i like air conditioning. >> mosquitoes. >> i like being indoors. thank you. another big blow to al qaeda to tell you about. the organization second in command has been killed in a drone strike in pakistan. his name is abu yahya al libi. he was a public face of the terror network often appearing in al qaeda videos. the strike that killed al libi was the third drone attack in pakistan. the drone strikes and how effective they are is a focus of a new book called "confront and conceal." the author is "the new york times" chief washington correspondent david sanger. tell me about al libi before we talk more about the book.
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this is an example of the confront strategy using the drone strikes. how big of a deal is it to get the number two? >> you know, it's a really risky job to be number two or number three in al qaeda. those are ones that have to carry cell phones. it's a difficult thing. this was big but the most important thing about it is that the constant turmoil within the top leadership of al qaeda seems to have just kept them off their mark long enough that central al qaeda, what we think of as al qaeda that was located in pakistan, seems to be in considerable disarray. in many ways there's more concern now about al qaeda in yemen, which is why you see so many of these other attacks. on a broader scale, soledad, the drone attacks, the cyberattacks, and the use of special forces are all part of an obama
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administration part of the obama doctrine to use a light footprint and to say no more than 100,000 troops going in at a cost of a trillion dollars total. occupying a country for years on end breathing resentment that comes with that. >> why is that? >> we can't afford it. clearly the political mood of the country right now is after ten years we've had enough of those. the question is can you with a light footprint strategy accomplish your goals. you can go after some groups of terrorists. you can knock out some centrifuges in iran temporarily and you can go after a target like bin laden. you can't change societies or attempt to the way the u.s. tried to during counterinsurgencies and the big issue is are you simply beating back something that will grow over time.
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>> or shift to yemen and change the face. >> that raises a second question. not just the question of effectiveness but drone attacks that are countries we're not at war with. these cyberattacks in iran caused actual physical damage and caused centrifuges to self-destruct. the question is when are we at war? when is an act of war? when do you cross the line? >> the sovereignty question is the key question. pakistan is a good place to start. the united states always says it wants to support a democratically elected pakistani government and not just deal with military. that democratically elected government a month and a half ago voted to ban all foreign drone attacks. there have been more than i can count since that vote took place including this apparently very successful one the other day. same thing for cyberattacks which also don't respect
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national boundaries. here the issue that president obama was most concerned about as he worked on olympic games which was the code name for this very broad four-year cyberprogram that started in the bush administration was does it set a precedent that ultimately other doesncountries will use t justify their own attacks aimed at the united states. >> how secure are we? >> we are the most vulnerable country around. i mean, just as you point out, what was different about the attacks on iran was that this wasn't just computers attacking computers. this wasn't my laptop going after ryan's laptop. this was a computer attack designed to attack infrastructure and accomplish something that until now in the history of warfare we've only accomplished by bombing something from the air or from the ground. >> to destroy a centrifuge by having the worm make the thing stop. >> made it speed up and slow down and then explode.
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>> was delivered to iran on a thumb drive. somehow it got into iran and was inserted into the iranian nuclear computer system and then basically tricked them into believing the certificantrifuge working normally and heard damage in the infrastructure until they realized what happened. your reporting on this caused the fbi to investigate into how that investigation got out. >> senator mccain asked for a similar thing. this is what he said just the other day. >> i call on the president to take immediate and decisive action including the appointment of a special council to aggressively investigate the leak of any classified information on which the recent stories were based and where appropriate to prosecute those responsible. >> they say the inside information was leaked to you and where appropriate they should hold those people
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responsible. what do you think of that? >> the first big break in the centrifuge story happened from a mistake that was made in the coding of the worm itself. and it was inside the facility and because of a mistake that was made in the programming, iranian engineer came into the facility and plugged in his laptop computer and the worm left abroad his laptop computer and when connected to the int internet later it propagated across the internet. when did we decide iran was the source of the cyberattack because of a mistake that made the cyberattack public. >> this book is superb. one theme that comes up again and again in afghanistan in 2009 fighting with the generals, the president is fighting with the generals, on iran in 2009, engagement strategy report was seen as weakness by iranian regime and then in china his engagement strategy in china in
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2009 was seen as weakness and there was a change in strategy on all three of those issues. what overall did president obama learn from your reporting from 2009 to today? >> very good question. you have written some on this in the new yorker. i think he went through a very big learning curve in which he started off depending on military advice and set his withdrawal strategy with a very small number of white house officials. i think he came to the conclusion that he was being dragged by the generals into a policy he didn't particularly want. different learning curve on iran where he wanted to combine the engagement with the economic pressure and with the sabotage in the hopes that that combination would force the iranians to change course. now, so far they haven't changed course. >> the book is called confront and conceal. obama's secret wars and surprising use of american
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power. david sanger, nice to have you with us this morning. it's fascinating. really also very scary to see all of this happening in secret wars we don't know a lot about until now. appreciate it. nice to see you. >> great to be with you. >> still ahead on "starting point," was the miss usa pageant rigged? what? what? what? my goodness. miss pennsylvania. david sanger has broken that miss pennsylvania says there's a fix and the finalists were chosen before the competition began. my goodness. i can't take it. >> all sorts of human intelligence. >> previewing the case also this morning against jerry sandusky. reports that the former penn state coach sent love letters and gifts to some of his victims. a live report from pennsylvania up next. you're watching "starting point." rental equipment in the middle of nowhere, is always headed somewhere. to give it a sense of direction, at&t created a mobile asset solution to protect and track everything. so every piece of equipment knows where it is,
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>> that's smashing pumpkins off will's playlist. you can check out our playlist at cnn.com/startingpoint and follow me on twitter. tweet whatever you would like whenever you like. if i don't like it, i'll unlike you. >> who won $5? >> i have to check. >> there's $5 to the first person who would tweet with the answer. >> i don't know. i've been doing other stuff. miss pennsylvania has quit donald trump's miss universe organization saying the pageant was rigged. pageant officials say she disagrees with the organization decision that allowed transgender contestants. a posting on her facebook page claims another contestant saw the list of the top five contenders on sunday morning hours before they were announced on the stage. she says this. this might be my favorite quote of the day. "effective immediately i have
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voluntarily complete and utterly" she is quitting. voluntarily completely and utterly removed myself from the miss universe organization. i cannot affiliate myself with an organization that is immoral and trashy. she's out. >> i refuse to believe that donald trump would be involved with anything that was trashy. >> i hear you on that, ryan. >> classy. >> thank god that trump is not a conspiracy theorist. i'm sure there will be a full accounting from trump and show all of the documents. >> i'm sure. >> make this very clear in due time. >> i agree. >> he won't just name names. he'll specify who the people are. clear documentation. there's a big difference -- >> the long form version of who winners were. >> there's a big difference between miss universe and miss america. according to all of the participants of the two
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contests. some say miss america pageant has more emphasis on character development of the women and has talent and they have to have volunteer community service. >> will is like, blah, blah, blah. i see her lips move bug i don't hear a word she's saying. >> i know you think they are gorgeous but some have taken time to cultivate who they are as people. >> tomorrow we'll talk to miss usa about the rigging allegations. >> maybe it's just sour grapes. >> there she is on the right-hand side the moment that she won. >> there's a little hint of knowledge there. she doesn't look totally surprised. i didn't pick the story. >> stop. we'll chat with her tomorrow not only about the contest and her victory but rigging allegations as well. still ahead this morning, new evidence to talk about in the jerry sandusky trial. we'll tell what you prosecutors
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welcome back to "starting point." jury selection in the jerry sandusky child rape trial is moving along quickly and could even be finished today. nine jurors have been seated. they need seven more. the former penn state football coach is accused of sexually abusing ten boys over 14 years. a new report from abc news says that sandusky wrote love letters and sent gifts to one alleged victim. prosecutors plan to introduce that as evidence in the case. cnn's susan candiotti is in
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pennsylvania. good morning to you. first, let's talk a little bit about the seating before we get to those love letters which are really just sound ick. many thought they wouldn't seen the so fast, what's happened? >> reporter: it's going quicker than anyone thought. nine people have been selected. they only have -- they have all-together another seven to go. and in talking with various experts and court observers with a direct role in this case, they think they will be able to finish up this process today. it is surprising given the fact that both sides only have a couple of strikes left to use but the judge has been saying very openly to both sides, it's going to be nearly impossible to seat people who don't have some kind of a connection to penn state. as an example, we'll give you a
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couple. there's one woman whose husband works at the very same medical practice where the father of the key prosecution witness works. that's mike mcqueary testifying for the prosecution and a penn state alumist seated on the panel and a current student to works at the athletic department is on the jury and a retired penn state professor. there you go. clearly penn state is far reaching in this community. >> i'm not surprised there. let's talk about these love letters. i kind of use those words in quotes that apparently jerry sandusky sent to the person they have been referring to victim number four for purposes of the case. what do you know about that? >> reporter: we can tell you according to our source that these letters do exist, that in fact they are expected to be entered into evidence. certainly it would be no surprise there. abc is describing these as love letters. we can also tell you that
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according to a source that gifts that jerry sandusky allegedly gave to that same alleged victim accuser number four, gifts including golf clubs and football jerseys that were also mentioned in the grand jury report and that those -- it's possible that those will also be introduced into evidence. could be powerful stuff. >> obviously everyone will watch this case very closely. susan candiotti for us this morning. thank you for the update on that. we'll take a short break. "end point" is up next. ♪ [ male announcer ] we believe in thinking day and night... about your dog's nutrition. like the dual-defense antioxidants in our food that work around the clock... supporting your dog's immune system on the inside... while helping to keep his skin and coat healthy on the outside. with this kind of thinking going into our food...
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who wants to start? >> i will. we talked about wisconsin today. what happens is governor walker has really resisted -- he's taken on a third rail issue. whether people, state employees, should pay into some of their own pensions and he resisted his ousting. 20 years ago in 1990, tommy thompson, also took on a third rail issue in wisconsin.
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welfare reform. wisconsin has now been twice the petri dish for reforms that could need to happen nationwide. i wonder if wisconsin isn't a sign of things to come nationally and reforms that need to happen. >> i think people would say there's a long list of ways in which wisconsin does not necessarily reflect or mirror what could happen come november. interesting point. will is dying to jump in. you are like this on the table. >> i'm trying to nonverbally communicate here. >> couldn't figure that out. i want to bring up a story we didn't talk about during the show but did on the commercial break. bill clinton becoming the biggest problem for the obama campaign. the question we've been debating during the breaks is bill clinton a double agent, an agent for his wife, or is he an agent for himself? i think the question stands. >> what would your answer be? >> i'm with others at the table who lieve he's an agent for
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himself. >> interesting. >> i agree with that. balance of power in the obama/clinton relationship has changed. clinton is more important to obama than he was previously. they need him for fund-raising. doing events with him. he can say what he wants. >> they need him. tomorrow we talk to actress mandy moore and also jill biden will join us as well. let's get to "cnn newsroom" with carol costello. >> stories we're watching right now in the "newsroom." historic win. wisconsin's republican governor, the first to survive a recall vote. how will the brawl in the heartland reshape the race for the white house. love letters to his victims? what could be damning evidence in the trial of jerry sandusky. sheryl crow facing a new health concern. ♪ if it makes you happy >> after forgetting the lyrics to some of her songs she reveals she has a benign brain tumor. and one win away from the first stanley cup b
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