which will escalate the conflict quite dramatically. >> moscow insists any arms supplies sent to syria are not being used against anti-government protesters. the suspect in the auburn triple murder is in custody after a three day manhunt. desmonte leonard turned himself into authorities at the federal courthouse in montgomery, alabama. facing three counts of capital murder. he gunned down three people and wounded three others after a fight broke out in an off campus party. two of those killed were former auburn football players. gabrielle giffords' former aide will serve out the remainder of her term in the house. barber defeating kelly by 6 points. he'll fill giffords seat until november. in virginia, george allen easily defeated three conservative

opponen opponents. he'll square off in november against tim cain. u.s. stock futures down and investors watching europe closely this morning. jp morgan chase ceo jamie dimon will answer questions from the senate banking committee about the bank's $2 billion plus trading loss last month. stocks may be down this morning but here's good news maybe for your 401(k). a new survey of economists says stocks are hitting bottom and the s&p 500 will rise more than 8% from now until the end of the year. stocks will gain 14% total by the end of 2012 if economists surveyed are correct. get ready to fork over more money. the airline is raising the fee for a second bag from $70 to $100. it now matches delta's january baggage fee hike. industry analysts expect american and u.s. airways to

follow suit in the near future. miami fans feeling the heat after kevin durant and the thunder raced out to a lead. miami led early and the thunder outscored the heat by 18 points in the second half. james led miami with 30 points. game two of the best of seven series set for thursday night in oklahoma city. soledad. >> i got money on this game and i've got -- i'm going to have to do something somebody tells me every day for a week if the heat loses. >> what do you have to do? >> it's up to them. that's the bet we made. kind of open ended. i'm thinking about tweaking that later. >> you need an attorney for that type of bet, my friend. >> this morning we're talking about accusations of cover-up surrounding the jerry sandusky

case. day three of his child sex abuse trial is under way and former penn state officials could face for charges for concealing what they knew. former vice president gary schultz kept a secret file detailing reported incidents and the file and e-mails between university officials allegedly shows inconsistences with what those officials later would tell a grand jury. inside the court, a day filled with emotional and graphic testimony. the 18-year-old whose accusations first triggered the investigation detailed his relationship with sandusky and former penn state assistant football coach mike mcqueary described seeing him in the shower with a young boy. trutv correspondent abeth karas. victim one cried on the stand.

it sounds like it was gut wrenching. what was the reaction in the room and for the jurors? >> reporter: good morning, as you can imagine, it was indeed very traumatic, to even listen to him let alone be in his shoes telling the story to a roomful of strangers, 12 of whom are going to sit in judgment of jerry sandusky. jurors were absolutely kaptty vated as was the courtroom. the courtroom was hushed, even though benches in there, 12 rows of wooden benches, were creaking every time somebody leaned forward to listen, that's all you could hear. he would break down periodically as he was recounting and reliving the sexual assaults by jerry sandusky and it was particularly emotional when he had already described sandusky performing oral sex on him and then one day sandusky said now it's your turn. and he said he froze.

he blacked out -- didn't know what to do but he did do it and he did it again and again. it got to the point though in 2008 when he had had enough and he brought it all to an end telling a guidance counselor who didn't believe him at first. that was incredulous in the courtroom, like he finally gets up the courage to tell someone and he's not believed. >> so then -- what was the reaction of the jurors -- sorry for interrupting. what was the reaction as he's telling the story and reading the transcript sounds terrible and emotional. how were the jurors reacting? the tenner of the room must have been so sad and overwhelming in some ways. how did the jurors take the information? >> reporter: it's really impossible to tell from where we are if the jurors are crying because their heads are turned to the witness. but it -- some people saw a juror put her hand to her mouth.

but you've got to be careful -- people interpret jurors reactions and i didn't see that. but they were absolutely captivated. the one juror, who is -- one of the men who is a student, a penn state student and works in the athletic department would lean forward periodically in his chair. at times he had a hard time making contact with the witness. his head would be done. he leans forward a lot toward the witness as though he's on the far side of the witness box as though he's trying to make sure he catches every word. jurors are otherwise pretty stoic. >> there are inconsistences and that's what the defense will try to point and this young man had inconsistences in his testimony. he talked about those on the stand. >> yes, he was cross-examinationed about them, but he had good responses to them. it is indeed true, he said there was only one time of oral sex

then 12 or more, then 20 or more. and he said, look, every time i had to tell what happened to me, it's humiliating and embarrassing to a new person, i couldn't just open up to that person. he had to get into a comfort zone. it was a process every time. that's what he said. and it's hard enough to talk to these jurors and this roomful of people to have to say it again. actually, joe amendola brought him to tears at one point in the cross-examination when he kept asking the same questions because he's given so many statements and testified. he saw them as minor inconsistentcies, i don't know if it fell flat for amendola that he brought the witness to tears on cross-examination, that's something you don't want to do because it looks like you're badgering. he was gentle in questions but persistent. >> let me ask you about mike

mcqueary on the stand. how did he appear? how did he come across to the jurors? >> reporter: mike mcqueary is articulate and adamant that he saw what he says he saw, he wasn't mistaken. amendola said we're not saying he's lying but we're saying he's mistaken in what he saw. it seemed to me mcqueary was making these assertions and statements as much for the benefit of the courtroom and the press to kind of clear his name, to say i didn't do anything wrong. he was very assertive. he said, i just want to be a football coach and i don't understand why i can't. right now he's not allowed in the athletic facilities because he's on leave. i want to be a coach. i was good at what i did. i didn't do any of this for any other reason it was the right thing to do and i deserve to be a coach. there were several times on his cross where i thought, he's

talking to us as well as to the jury. >> interesting. quick question before i let you go. they are talking about maybe more charges being filed in this investigation focusing on the penn state university officials really at the top graham spanier and tim curley and schultz. why more charges? >> this relates to what you were talking about at the beginning, these new documents that were recently turned over to the prosecution recently revealed and it shows that schultz kept a file on sandusky. now, if he said things in the grand jury, which the prosecution says he did, inconsistent with what's in the file, there could be more charges and more lies because he was testifying under oath to the jury and asserting certain things, this is the first i've heard of it. never heard of any other instances and this file may show otherwise. it will probably be more perjury

obstruction of justice type charges. >> beth karas, a correspondent on "in session" and former prosecutor. thanks. still ahead, george zimmerman's wife goes to jail for lying about her family's finances. we're going to get exclusive reaction from trayvon martin's family coming up. and also this morning, we'll talk about your foot wear, whether you wear prada shoes or well worn flats, people can tell how old you are and how much money you make. shoes say more about you than you think. here's my playlist, kanye, stronger. every communications provider is different but centurylink is committed

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george zimmerman's wife is out of jail this morning, shellie zimmerman was able to post $1,000 bond after being charged with perjury for lying about the finances during her husband's bond hearing which happened back in april. a bank review of records shows shellie zimmerman moved $74,000 for her husband's account into her own account a few days before that hearing. just miles away from the spot where george zimmerman shot and killed 17-year-old trayvon martin, martin's parents attended the first public meeting of a task force to review the state's stand your ground law. they asked the 19 member panel to take a look at that law.

>> not against guns. but it's something seriously wrong when there's a minor child that was unarmed and he's dead right now and there's a law that a person is using to try to defend himself against killing a kid. >> a starting point exclusive this morning, sabrina fulton and tracy martin join us along with their attorney. thank you for talking with us. sabrina, what was your message to the task force, what do you want them to do? >> i just want them to take a look at the law. i'm not opposed to the law. i just want them to review the law and i still feel that it is something wrong if a minor, a kid, a teenager, was shot and killed and pursued by an adult and he's not with us. and i just think that they need to look at that law. >> the woman -- >> and fix it.

>> the woman who heads the task force is jennifer carroll and she was in legislature when it was created. she said it's been taken out of context. here's what she said. >> what individuals have then claimed this law to be is shoot first and that's far from the truth because the law clearly says you have an opportunity to retreat. if you have that ability to do so, then you do so. >> so mr. crumb p, does the law say that? it's mentioned a couple of times, the retreat part. a person is justified in the use of dedsly force and does not have a duty to retreat if they believe such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great warm to himself or herself or the commission of a forceable felony. is the lieutenant governor wrong when she says you have an opportunity to retreat if you have the ability to do so, then you do so? is she mistaken? >> soledad, it's like tracy

martin, trayvon's father said to the task force yesterday. it encourages vigilantyism, it is a situation where it encourages you to try to take the law in your own hands if you think that you're threatened. there used to be a duty to retreat. that law has been changed now. we need to amend it to have trayvon martin amendment to say that you can't pursue -- you can't initiate a confrontation and say stand your ground. that's a terrible message. >> let me ask you a question about the last couple of days. shellie zimmerman was able to get out of jail and post $1,000 bond and based around $74,000 transferred out of the accounty money was being raised for george zimmerman, and transferred her into her account where at the bond hearing she said she didn't know anything about such money. what did you feel when she was both jailed and posting bond?

>> just felt that the court system was betrayed. >> what do you mean? >> credibility. i just feel that they -- that it was an intentional -- it was -- their intentions were to hide things. >> soledad, it's simple that prosecutors sent a strong message that you have to tell the truth in court because credibility of each witness is always at the crux of every legal matter. >> so in this case, of course, sybrina, credibility of george zimmerman is going to be on trial as this case heads into trial. what do you make of what's happened so far, both your husband and attorney talking about the credibility of george zimmerman and his wife? >> i think that it's on the process just -- i believe that we should just let the process

take its course and let the judge handle it. >> i know that you, tracy, have created a video and asking other fathers to help repeal or reform stand your ground. i'm going to play this and ask you a question on the other side, okay? >> we have to come together to protect our children. i'm asking you to consider sharing this message with the governor of your state that has a similar stand your ground law. ask them to review these dangerous laws. if we do, next year nows dads will have a happy father's day with their children and not the toughest one of their life without them. >> this is a message that will be played across the nation. what kind of feedback are you getting on this? >> i haven't gotten any feedback yet. it really hasn't been put out to the public. >> you are going to become the face of this law. do you find it -- to be the face

of making reforms to this law, is that a difficult position to be in or does it feel like something that you have to do in your son's memory? >> it's not difficult at all. especially when you talking about continuing your -- my son's legacy. making sure that his name continues on and his name wouldn't be in vain. i feel that i have to continue to spearhead it and stay out in the front and make sure that this reaches the heart of america and just to show -- just to be that leader for the dads out there that don't have a voice right now. >> well, we appreciate you coming on and using your voice to talk to you. trayvon martin's parents and benjamin crump, the parents'

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moment. roland martin joins us. >> i could wear phillip see more hoffman just walked onset. >> will kain is a columnist for the blaze.com. we're talking about shoes because it focuses on your feet. if you're trying to figure out a stranger's personal characters, what information might you need? their gender, income, age? might want to know details about their personality. no, look at their feet. scientists say you can judge 90% of someone's personality traits by looking at their shoes. they found that people could pick out somebody's age, gender, political affiliation and anxiety issues just by -- you can save so much money in therapy bills, just by knowing the style and color and cost and condition of someone's shoes. researchers asked volunteers to fill out a personality questionnaire and provide the

shoe they wore most often and students would make guesses about the people who wore them and most of the time, 90% of the time they were right. >> i buy it 100%. >> what are we working with? >> what i normally wear -- >> let's be clear, these are not green socks. there we go. now as per -- >> what's margaret wearing? >> the most stereo typically republican shoes -- because it's 5:00 in the morning and i need comfortable shoes. >> please. >> what's roland wearing? >> you've got to get the full view, baby. >> if i saw these shoes, trust me, will cannot rock these sandals. he couldn't rock them. >> sling back? >> got to do that. >> summertime, we don't do socks in the summer. we don't do socks in the summer. >> i am wearing fabulous shoes

as i always do because i have a sitting job. >> they are beautiful. what do they say? >> tightly wound, lack of sleep, mother of four, angry, bitter. >> i would say that's a nice old lady -- >> oh! >> you saw these shoes, first thing you would say, i wish i had that much swagger. >> slingbacks. >> somewhere in between is what i'm guessing. i'm not making it up, university of kansas. one of the nation's biggest banks loses billions of dollars and now congress wants answers, we'll tell you what jp morgan's ceo is expected to say about those bad bets. have you seen this? that is a toddler tossed from a suv. we have the story behind this terrible video. joan rivers hates everything, including the red carpet. sometimes you can tell, listen. you say something about meryl streep and her pr person won't let you have tom cruise.

so nobody says anything except nice things on the red carpet. then you turn into a hypokrit. she's got advice for both mitt romney and president obama. we'll play that for you just ahead. here's christine's play list, new radicals, you get what you give. [ male announcer ] count the number of buttons in your car. now count the number of buttons on your tablet. isn't it time the automobile advanced? introducing cue in the all-new cadillac xts. the simplicity of a tablet has come to your car. ♪ the all-new cadillac xts has arrived. and it's bringing the future forward.

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let's get right to christine romans with a look at the headlines. >> we begin with a terrifying deadly string of car bombs in central iraq this morning. seven bombs going off in a two-hour period killing at least 58 people and wounding more than 150 others. police say most of the victims are shiite muslim pilgrims, hundreds of thousands have been walking to a holy site to

commemorate the death of a revered imam. diesel exhaust is found to be as deadly as arsenic. the world health organization says the fumes cause lung cancer and have ties to bladder cancer. who is urging people around the world to reduce exposure to diesel fumes as much as possible. harry reid calling for an official investigation into the controversial boxing match between pack key yao and bradley. he and many fans believe pa key yoe was the clear winner. pushing for reformed boxing rules and standards. reid himself is a former boxer and boxing judge. the internet is moving way beyond .com.

they began accepting applications for new web endings, which mean we see websites that end with .food or .work in addition to the claks classics,.com and.org. look at this horrifying video. this is an 18-month-old girl being thrown from a suv in lubbock, texas. the toddler's father was trying to elude them after committing a robbery and rolled his vehicle. there's the baby. you can see the child in the highlighted circle walking after being ejected out of car. she suffered only minor injuries. another woman in the vehicle with the little girl, possibly it's her mother, jumped out and rescued her from the middle of the road and pulled her away. just terrifying. >> that's the craziest video i have seen in a long time. first of all that a child can be ee jegted from a rolling car and be fine and they would pull over

and grab the kid and run off. >> high speed chases are so dangerous for so many reasons, but also, you don't know who's in the car. look, a baby come out, 18-month-old, minor injury but i'm not sure of the status of the driver of the car and people who are fleeing. this morning jamie dimon will go before the senate banking committee to explain his firm's million billion dollar trading loss. that loss is projected between 2 and $7 billion. we had a chance to look at his prepared remarks and dimon will say that the bank made complicated bets that went bad and calling it an isolated event. joining us to talk about that and also prescription drug abuse is the attorney general, eric schneiderman. thanks for being with us this morning. if the prepared testimony, jamie dimon apologizes and said complicated bets, increased risks and traders didn't

understand the complexity and started to unravel when it went bad and the bank made steps to fix. does that run through of what happened and apology at the end is enough? >> well, it may or may not be enough. the importanteni thing to recognize, in washington there's a huge struggle over how to r e rereregulate our markets. it was due to reckless deregulation to make bets that shouldn't have been allowed. this is not taking place against a blank canvas. this should inform lawmakers and rule makers to try to come up with a safer set of rules that everyone understands so we know the difference between something that's a straight out bet. i think mr. dimon's testimony will be taken into account i hope by the regulators and rule drafters. it should not be an exercise to beat him up over making a bad bet. it's about what type of bets should and should not be allowed. >> he would like less regulation

and some could argue, listen, $2 billion to $7 billion, doesn't hurt the bank at all, they are financially very sound. there's no impact on the general economy by taking this massive hit. in fact, everything kind of worked out fine and the damage was minimal. doesn't he have a point? >> he would if we haven't come off the worst crash since 1929. this doesn't happen because of overregulation. this happened because regulations that worked well for decades were repealed or weren't in force. america is looking to understand there's one set of rules for everyone that the rules are clear and you can't go around placing bets or things you don't own. like buying insurance on your neighbor's car, you have to own something if you hedge against it. >> i read there's 100 regulators within jp morgan. all this happened where there are lots of regulators watching what happens. >> we can see how the rules were unraveled from the repeal of

glass stooegle on. this doesn't crash because of an act of god or tsunami. this is a man made disaster and that's what dodd frank mandates, you have this army of lobbyist down there watering rules and making arguments even though we see the damage of less regular lace, we should go back to the same prescription that got us into the crash in the first place. >> many agree it would not have made a difference and with this particular instance with this bank and jamie dimon is probably the smartest, toughest, probably best banker out there. >> a lot of people on and off the street have tremendous respect for mr. dimon. the fact his bank could be subject to this loss sends a message about the fact that the market is still vulnerable. when you have institutions that operate with a government guarantee, the government is entitled to make sure there are rules to the road. small investors are not getting into the market because they don't trust this one set of

rules for everyone. this is a part of inspiring, a more careful rule making process to ensure bigger and worse losses do not happen again. >> talk about the unanimously had an opportunity to pass this legislation which would track narcotic use, prescription narcotic use. how exactly does it work? >> prescription narcotic ugs is the worst drug problem in the country, fastest growing. we know that the number of deaths from overdoses from prescription drugs has passed the number of drugs from her o win anco-combined. we created a real time data base so every doctor and pharmacist have to consult the database and know what drugs you're taking. >> before they write a prescription for a schedule one or schedule two -- >> exactly. it can cut down on doctor

shopping. we arrested one doctor who pleaded to prescribing 220,000 doses of narcotic painkillers. it's a very small number of doctors like that but organized crime has gotten involved and have rings of doctor shoppers. this is a huge problem and i stop use is existing technology to create a retime database that doctors and pharmacists use to get a handle on the problem. >> will you also beef up the treatment facilities? if there is a big issue of people addicted to prescription drugs and the number of shops and treatment facilities are small and declining. >> that's always a need, a need for drug treatment and law enforcement generally, we're doing well at that. in a lot of states the problem is prescription drugs lead to accidental addiction. this is not a problem just for sort of hard core drug addicts. there are a lot of people in regular families and we have --

unfortunately the experience of a lot of parents whose voices were very important in passing this bill, whos have lost children, getting regular treatment from a doctor. a lot of people figure if you're getting it from a doctor, it can't be that bad. >> will you up the treatment facilities, if you have these people that are accidental addicts and now you can track them and follow them immediately and real time with the database, will be there facilities they can get help? >> that's part of the objective but i stop will prevent people getting addicted in the first place. a pharmacist will say there are ten other pharmacies in the neighborhood that will fill your prescriptions and go to the department of health and bureau of narcotics enforcement and medicaid fraud control unit to prevent crime and addiction before it even begins. >> eric schneiderman, nice to have you. thanks for talking with us. still ahead, it all started with soda, but now new york is looking to ban fatty snacks too.

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intervention. bacon and chocolate? >> delicious. >> you might want to get it while you can, in new york city, you know what's coming next. if you thought the soda ban -- i thnk you talked about the slippery slope, where will it end? how about a ban on fattening snacks? one member of the new york health board is considering size limits for movie theater popcorn, saying it isn't a whole lot better from nutritional point of view than soda is. also people wondering why it doesn't expand to large juices and milk shakes. >> did you see the polling after the new york city soda ban. the majority of new yorkers embraced the concept, what is the absurdity level at which new yorkers go too much? i'm curious. is it the popcorn ban or milk share ban? what is it that puts you over the top, new yorkers? >> i don't know. >> pizza? >> you start -- >> don't mess with my pizza. >> i ain't from here, you can

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♪ beauty's only skin deep >> that's the temptations. i'm going to guess by the dancing that that is yours. beauty is only skin deep. roland's play list. welcome back to "starting point," everybody. let's talk a little bit about joan rivers. she is a legendary comedian, actress, jewelry mogul, fashion police spotter. goes a little off the rails in a new book called "i hate everyone, starting with me." zoraida had a chance to sit down with joan yesterday. >> it was a great time.

self-deprecating humor is how she started first. and i wanted to talk politics, but joan said i never talk politics. but yesterday, she did. when you look at the political season, and we have to talk about it, if you look at the match between barack obama and mitt romney, what do you think? >> both idiots. how dare you spend two years campaigning. this country is in trouble. they should do what england does. six weeks to find out what everyone thinks before they vote for them. that makes sense. two years? first of all, the president, get into the white house and do your [ bleep ] duty. and mitt romney, two years, you all hate each other, and now they are all going to come together and say but we really love him. i find it disgusting. the money spent. the money spent. outrageous. obama went to a dinner party for democrats, $40,000 a plate. you're not democrats. you're not democrats. you're very strong republicans.

i find that -- i find the whole thing disgusting. both sides disgusting. >> let's talk about your staying power in this business. you've done so many different things. and by the way, today i was a little weirded out about what i was going to wear -- >> you look great. >> because you're all about fashion. >> you're in the color of the season and the neon look of the season. >> lovely. all right. so we don't see you any more on the red carpet dishing. >> no, no. my choice. >> ok. but dish a little. >> well, i dish on "fashion police," and that's why i'm not on the red carpet. because the red carpet -- when melissa and i started doing it, you could say things. we were the only people doing the red carpet. now everything is so about clothes. if you say something about meryl streep, her pr person won't let you have tom cruise. so nobody says anything but nice things on the red carpet. and then you turn into a hypocrite if the next day you're going to say, i really hated jessica simpson's dress. so e! said please go back and do

the carpet, and melissa and i said no, we'd much rather do the next day and tell the truth. >> so you can be yourself. >> and it's working. we have just gone from half an hour to an hour. it's a major hit. katy perry and jennifer aniston both have fragrances out this season. katie's is purr, which was her second choice. her first choice was, wait, i married who? bill cosby told me if 1% of america thinks you're funny, you will fill stadiums forever. so do what you want and say what you want. i always think of bill's advice. i think it was brilliant advice. >> she is so funny, but she is so over the top. she can be very harsh to people on the red carpet. it wasn't just about being honest about whether someone's dress was nice or not nice. it was harsh. mean. >> we talked actually about a whitney houston moment where she -- they asked her who was the best dressed, and it was

after whitney houston had died. and she said it was whitney houston. but she's dead. and she says, yeah, but head-to-toe mahogany. >> she's a comedian. that's what they do. >> and that would be in bad taste, yes. >> well, sometimes she says oh, it's too soon, too soon. she says this is how she deals with stuff. >> she lives on that edge. i appreciate the personality characteristic of being more concerned with telling the truth or your version of it than making people like you. but i can't decide if i like her or not. >> what's the difference between being a truth teller and just being mean? sometimes if you watch the red carpet shows and things like that, sometimes it's just mean. >> it's catty. it's mean. it's like mean girls in seventh grade. >> it's hilarious. people sitting at homer going, oh, my god, look at that hordre horrible dress. she is voicing what people are saying at home. and that's the beauty of comedy. you go all the way with it. and she does. >> at some points, i cringed.

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welcome to "starting point," everybody. our "starting point" this morning, the gut wrenching stomach turning testimony in the jerry sandusky sex abuse trial. a former penn state assistant coach who claims he saw sandusky sodomizing a young boy says it was more than my brain could handle. jamie dimon about to settle into the hot seat on capitol hill to explain to the senate banking committee how his bank lost more than $2 billion. and american nuns are accused of being radical feminists. they head to the vatican to make their case. and it looks like butting heads with the catholic church is far from over for these nuns. it's wednesday, june 13. and "starting point" begins right now.

♪ your love's got me looking crazy right now ♪ >> "crazy in love" that's margaret's play list this morning. stop, stop, stop. again, you and i, yes. roland martin, the host -- you're making dance moves on the set. >> drop it like it's hot. >> the author of "american individualism" and is a columnist from blaze.com. and that is the background by beyonce, crazy in love. >> she's from houston. h-town girl. >> is that on your list? >> she's on mine too. she's from houston. i have to support my home girl. in just about an hour, jerry sandusky will go face oi face with another accuser. day three is now underway. victim one whose accusations of sexual abuse first triggered the criminal investigation gave really emotional testimony

yesterday as he described in graphic detail alleged abuse from the former penn state assistant football coach. another star witness, the former assistant coach mike mcqueary, also took the stand and talked about seeing sandusky in the shower with a young boy. a forensic psychiatrist, dr. michael wellner has worked on several high profile cases including the competency hearing for brian david mitchell, the man who kidnapped elizabeth smart. thank you for talking with us. >> good morning. >> as you read through the testimony and talk to reporters inside the courtroom, you realize that there are all these red flags at the kid's school. i'm talking about victim one. he doesn't want to go off with jerry sandusky. the school pushes him to go. a woman who works at the hilton garden inn said she was told to give him a key to the pool so he could take kids to the pool in the fitness center. the grandfather of victim one testified there was an argument in the yard about the boy's schedule. how come everybody misses what in retrospect looks like very

clear red flags that something very bad was happening with children? >> what distinguishes predatory sex offenders is their capacity to groom. not only to get close to somebody, and to engender a sense of trust in the victim, but to then isolate them even before they prey on them sexually. what distinguishes the prominent and the dominant member of the community is that he can groom not just the child, but the entire community. >> what do you mean by "groom"? they fear him? they respect him? they'll keep their mouth shut? >> what happens between predator and victim is that sense of engendering trust, filling a need, and then isolating a child before victimization ever takes place. you set the stage. when you're prominent, and everyone is invested in your success because they want to be close to you, you not only can groom a child, you can groom a community.

so that everybody trusts you. you fill everybody's need. everybody becomes invested in that relationship. and then you not only exploit the child, but you use the different institutions of the community to set up your victims, to enable the exploitation, and to perpetuate it. that's not only what jerry sandusky has done at penn state and in high school settings, but anywhere that high has recruited and gone around the united states, has to look very carefully at the access that he's been given, the isolation that he's been afforded, and just how this mechanism, this infrastructure for abuse, which a groomer uses, has been allowed to replicate in other settings. >> so basically he creates this charity to help underprivileged kids. that all of a sudden he looks sympathetic. he is a great guy. he's wonderful. and so people in the community go, oh, look at jerry, he is a great guy. so he makes them feel comfortable to allow him to then do what he chooses to do. that's what you mean by

grooming? >> absolutely. and here's something that we speak about on cnn frequently. what do they say about absolute power? that is corrupts absolutely. now, what happens when you combine absolute power of being the biggest person in the smallest pond, and you combine that with being a predatory sexual exploiter, a predatory pedophile. it corrupts absolutely. and it not only corrupts the person, but it corrupts everyone around them. >> so i'm going to just throw out a big giant allegedly. because obviously this entire conversation is what is on trial right now in the courtroom as it's unfolding now. i want to talk about the love letters, as people describe them. victim four who was on the stand two days ago showed some letters that he had gotten from jerry sandusky. here's one. it said, i know that i have made my share of mistakes. my wish is that you care and have love in your heart. love never ends. his own attorney talked about his histrionic personality. what does that mean? jerry sandusky's histrionic personality. >> one doesn't diagnose without

examining a patient. but one doesn't diagnose just by looking at letters in isolation. jerry sandusky is not on trial because he wrote some is letters. he is on trial because he sexually violated, allegedly, but on trial for sexually violating others. this isn't about whether he perceives closeness inappropriately of other children. the children are not accusing him of thinking they had a closer relationship. the children are accusing him of sexually assaulting them. this isn't about his seeking attention. this is about his carrying out anti-social aggressive violent acts toward children at the very most. and at the very least, psychologically manipulating them, totally consistent with how grooming happens. it's a manipulation. and the idea of not only engendering trust, but once the victimization takes place, maintaining control. and that manipulation is by bringing love in. look, victimization could never

happen in these instances if the children didn't perceive a positive, warm, nurturing relationship to begin with. that's why as roland suggested the idea of second mile, that's why it becomes so important, because it's a vehicle by which jerry sandusky can say, hey, i'm a good man. i'm a decent man. i'm doing -- and then once that's threatened, to bring the love back in as an instrument of control to say, hey, don't stray off the reservation. you're mine because i'm loving and love conquers all and all of this other stuff. so you have to see letters in the totality of all of the evidence. and that's what forensic psychiatry is about. if you were to see your internist and you have a cough, your internist wouldn't tell you had pneumonia. it could be related to something completely different. so you don't diagnose histrionic personality disorder by reading a letter. >> you're talking about this concept of grouping. for those who are accused of doing things that jerry sandusky is accused of doing, the situation, the environment you're talking about for grooming, is that more a consequence of compulsive

behavior for the criminal or is that pre meditameditatepremedit? possibly he created the second mile to create the scenario where he could take advantage of people? >> well, that is a fascinating unresolved question, because jerry sandusky has never been in a position yet to even acknowledge that he's a pedophile who has carried out these kinds of behaviors. >> i'm talking about others you've encountered. >> well, no. here's where i'm going. what came first, the chicken or the sneg was he a charitable person who was around young people and then came to realize that he had a sexual attraction and then with a level of intimacy -- >> allegedly. >> again, i'm talking about questions. was he someone who was around other people and an attraction then unfolded and things became sexualized? and then whatever he was involved in, he just added to? or was he someone who had this other life apart from his heterosexual completely

unremarkable personal and sexual and marital life who created these kinds of institutions and structures as vehicles to bring people to him quietly? that's something that at this stage we're not going to address. that's the kind of thing typically done with people who are convicted of crimes such as this, and then in post conviction settings they have to deal with it in a proper therapeutic setting. not one that looks at histrionic personality disorder, but says, look, you have been convicted of pedophilia. you have exploited other children. we need to talk about this for what it is, deef yans. >> i'm sure we'll talk about this more as the trial goes on. it's such a tough thing to read about. for these kids, their testimony is heartbreaking. we appreciate your time this morning. thank you. let's get to christine for an update on the day's headlines. >> happening right now in colorado, a huge shift in the highland park wildfire burning some 60 miles south of denver.

new evacuations are in place this hour. some residents have been allowed to return home. officials plan to step up their fight today by using 100 engines and 34 crews to help battle the flames. that's more than double the effort yesterday. the fire has burned about a 70 square mile area, just about% 10% contained now. the wife of george zimmerman is out of jail this morning. she posted $1,000 after being arrested and charged with perjury. she is accused of lying about the couple's finances. the same thing that got her husband tossed back into jail. meantime, trayvon martin's parents want the stand your ground law to be repealed. earlier, they talked to soledad along with their attorney, benjamin crump. >> it encourages vigilanteism. it is a situation where it encourages you to try to take the law into your own hands if you think that you are threatened.

it used to be a duty to retreat. that law has been changed now. and we need to amend it to have trayvon martin amendment to say that you can't pursue -- you can't initiate a confrontation and then say i was standing my ground because that's what people are doing now in america. and that's a terrible message. >> trayvon's parents attended the first public meeting of a task force reviewing the law. your a.m. choice, gabrielle giffords' former aide will serve out the remainder of her term. he will fill giffords' seat until november. in virginia, former senator george allen easily defeated three conservative opponents to capture that state's republican senate primary. he'll face off in november against another former virginia governor, democrat tim cane. mitt romney often running

with president obama's now infamous words that the private sector is doing fine. during a campaign stop in iowa, romney called the president's comments an extraordinary miscalculation. the president quick to counter. >> people across america are having a hard time. the president doesn't understand how his policies have made things so hard for the american people. it's finally time to have a president who's in touch with what's happening in america, and i am. and i'll bring back america's strength. >> it's like somebody goes to a restaurant and orders a big steak dinner, martini, all that stuff, and then just as you're sitting down, they leave. and accuse you of running up the tab. >> the president says the gop isn't offering anything they didn't already try when they were in charge of the white house. a homeless texas man just hit the jackpot while in a jail cell.

timothy yost found a bag of $77,000 in cash on the banks of the colorado river. the rightful opener has not come forward, and last night the city council voted unanimously to turn over the money to yost. right now, he is in jail charged with public intoxication. obviously, taking a walk, finds the money, goes to jail. now he gets to keep it. >> he might want to watch "no country for old men." you just don't pick up money from texas and keep it. >> i'm not even from texas, and i concur, mr. cain. that sounds like a hot mess waiting to happen. thank you, christine. still ahead, casey anthony speaks exclusively to cnn for the first time since she was acquitted of murder. we'll tell you why she says she's ashamed. and billions of dollars lost in bad bets. jp morgan's ceo jamie dimon is on the hot seat in front of congress. can he explain the big loss?

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welcome back to "starting point," everybody. in just about two hours, jp morgan ceo jamie dimon will testify in front of the senate banking committee about his bank's multibillion dollar loss. it was a complex credit fix meant to shield the bank from risk, but eventually it went bad and cost three executives their jobs. also it raised serious questions about the way the bank does

business. we got a look at dimon's prepared testimony, and in it he says this. in hindsight, traders did not have the requisite understanding of the risks they took. republican senator bob corker of tennessee is a member of the banking committee that dimon will be testifying in front of, and he was the first to call for the hearings. nice to see you, senator. thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. you've seen i'm sure his printed testimony of what he'll be saying. what do you want to hear from jamie dimon today? >> well, first of all, this is not about the bank being in trouble. $2 billion is less than two months worth of earnings at jp morgan. it's a well capitalized institution. but this is the kind of hearing that we should have had before we ever passed any kind of financial regulation, and there are some of us that congress just responded in a political way to our financial system. so i think what this hearing does is provides us an opportunity to see how these highly complex institutions are run. to see some of the gaps.

and to help inform us as we move ahead as to whether we have really dealt with the issues that created the last financial crisis. are there other structures we need to be looking at. and i think it's going to be an interesting time. i think most people understand that while dodd frank passed some time ago, regulators right now in real time are riwriting e regulations. so i think it will be an informative hearing but it's not about congress worrying about whether jp morgan will make it or not. in is a blip on the radar screen. but it happens at a time they think is important. it's informative, as we continue to move along with the rules and regulations as they are being put in place. >> and do you think that there should be more regulation or do you think that this particular instance with jp morgan is an indication that you could use less regulation? >> you know, what we did during financial regulation is we did not take our time to really delve into how the structure of our banking system out to be.

it's a 2,400-page bill. it's like a christmas tree of regulations. and unfortunately, what we did was apply those same regulations to all the community banks around our country. so your listening audience is having tremendous difficulty at the local level, and yet i don't think we really dealt appropriately with some of the larger institutions. so it's not about more regulation. it's about putting in place the right kind of structure. what do we want our financial system to be in the 21st century in this global environment that our companies operate in? and, again, it's unfortunate -- >> well, forgive me for interrupting you, senator. you said the time wasn't taken, and that the banks from the community banks to the big banks are all sort of under the same regulation. so my question is at the end of the day, should there be more regulation or do you think in fact there should be less regulation? >> i think we ought to have a different -- for instance, community banks don't deal with the kind of things that, you know, jp morgan deals in as it

relates to these complex derivatives where they are trying to hedge against loans in europe. so you ought to really have regulation that's appropriate to the types of entities that we're dealing with. there's been a lot of things that have come up recently since this debacle at jp morgan, and that is was glass stegall a more appropriate place? again, should there be more capital? should we follow the bear model, the hoenig model? so i think this is actually an interesting thing for congress to be looking at. and when you say more regulation, the answer in dodd frank was to put a regulator beside every banker. i'm slightly exaggerating. but there's no way regulators are ever going to be ahead of bankers. i think you're going to see that in testimony today. so maybe what you ought to do is look at, hey, what are the lines -- how are these lines of functioning within the banks, what is proper capital? what are things at highly complex institutions ought to be involved in? and instead of that, what we did was sort of put this lead

blanket over our financial system. and i think what you're seeing is many in your listening audience are having trouble accessing credit. and i don't think we really addressed many of the root causes of what happened in this last crisis. so what i would say -- i would say we need to look at different kinds of regulations. not more regulation or less. >> and whould that be something like reinstating glass siegel? >> well, that's been suggested. >> would you support it? >> well, i think there are a lot of questions to be asked and i think we have just begun that process. and i'm one of those folks that wants to understand each of these lines of business. but, you know, there's no question that when glass stegall was put in place it changed the culture of organizations like goldman sachs and others. they went from a partnership to a public entity. i don't think that's probably the right answer. but what i will say to you as one republican senator, i'm open to be looing at a better way at

ensuring that down the road our taxpayers never have to come to the aid of our large highly complex institutions. and at the same time, i want to make sure that we do it in a way that allows our great companies in america to prosper and be able to deal with entities all over the world. i don't think we ever, ever asked that question under dodd frank. again, it was a political response to a structural problem. and i think now we have the opportunity to try to get it right. and i think over time, you're going to see a lot of positive changes take place in financial regulation to overcome sort of this political response that occurred about a year and a half ago. >> senator bob corker is a republican from tennessee. thank you for talking with us, sir. >> thank you. >> it's interesting because taxpayer money wasn't at risk here. it wasn't. if you talk about the vocal rule and dodd frank, this was a bank taking a risk, making a bet, and the bet was bad. how do you legislate, regulate,

against taking risks? that's what, you know, that's what banks do. that's one of the ways the world economy grows. what i think is so interesting about this is jamie dimon was the one who was the moral authority on the street saying, you don't need to give us any more bad washington political regulations. we can do it ourselves. and he squandered that moral authority. i think you'll see a lot of senators today, soledad, looking to score political points. who aren't necessarily interested in making sure something like this doesn't happen again. >> isn't the question, though, that we have just passed this massive financial regulatory reform bill, and could this have stopped -- could dodd frank have actually stopped something like this from happening? we have passed the vocal rule. it isn't completely written. it's 300-plus pages. if it wouldn't stop what has happened, now with jamie dimon, what's the point of the regulations? they'll never keep up with the private sector. wouldn't it be better to have more simple -- >> so is the answer no

regulation? >> maybe capital requirements for banks. maybe the answer is don't try to define -- reinstate glass stegall to protect the public so we're not on the hook. >> he says we have to ask for questions. it has been three years since our economy almost went off a cliff. are you trying to tell me that after three years, you can't make a decision on whether or not we need to separate our banks? i think three years, you should have an answer, senator corker. >> there wasn't a tone of rushing to come to a conclusion. >> three years. >> i think he had the right outlook. prudence. >> shush. everybody stop talking over each other today. it's driving me crazy. got to go to break. [ female announcer ] fresh flavor gets a bold new twist with new chef's picks from lean cuisine.

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clearly, a lot of people in america believe she killed her daughter. but i was struck by -- that was what she wanted to get over straightaway, loud and clear. i didn't kill my girl. >> piers said that casey anthony told him that she is ashamed but she's innocent. i' we'll take a short break. american nuns accused of radical feminism is headed to the vatican to explain themselves. and nas is here.

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welcome back to "starting point," everybody. members from the leadership conference of women religious, it's a group that represents roughly 80% of nuns in the united states, met with vatican

leaders to address claims that they have strayed from catholic doctrine. and they practice, quote, radical feminism. the vatican gave a stern statement after that meeting. they say the nuns were under the supreme direction of the holy sea. here is the group's president, sister pat ferrell. >> we are grateful for the opportunity for open dialogue, and now the next step will be again to go to our members to decide how to proceed from here. >> sister simone campbell is the director of network, a national catholic social justice lobby. one of the organizations that the vatican singled out in its statements. we have this morning the sister joining us. nice to see you. thank you for being with us, sister campbell. so your group singled out as being essentially i guess in a nutshell it's fair to say part of the problem, if you will. what kind of sanctions could you face from the vatican? >> actually, it's very interesting that our organization is not directly related to the vatican. and probably the -- i mean, i'm

not sure that they could do anything directly to us. the bigger concern is what they could do to catholic sisters in the united states. as a group. >> what could they do? >> well, with the leadership conference of women religious, what they could do is end it. it's like a leadership conference was incorporated or organized by the vatican. so the vatican does indeed have control over its organizational function. and so how it proceeds -- how lcwr proceeds is really an important question and needs to be in relationship with rome. but the piece that's missing here is while you can have different structures, the fact is catholic sisters in the united states have very strong relationships. and while they can do a lot to change structures, they won't change our friendships. >> let's say if they wanted to end the lcwr, 80%, i believe that's a correct figure, of sisters in the united states are members of that. what would that literally specifically mean? >> well, what it would mean is

that there would no longer be the organization of that -- of the leaders of the women religious in the united states that is sanctioned by rome. there is another group, a much smaller group, that represents some of the other 20%. and then some sisters don't belong to either leadership group. it's thought that maybe the vatican would want to focus on the other group that has more the traditional communities in it. and then each religious congregation -- there's no mandate that we be a member of either group. so each religious congregation would then have to decide where do they put their time, their energy. but the piece that i want to stress is that the spiritual life and friendship go far beyond the various structures. >> to me, and i say this as someone who has an uncle who is a priest and two aunts who are a nuns, that at the end of the day, it's about relationships. is that kind of in a nutshell what you're saying? >> well, you certainly boiled it down to the nugget.

i think the key piece here is that we do this life because of a spiritual journey. we know that when there's resistance on any side, the vatican or ours, it's an opportunity for spiritual growth. and it's that effort that we're trying to use this moment to break open and lift up the fact that the needs of the people in our society that are at the margins, that are most hurt by this economy, we will continue to be faithful to our mission to lift up those folks and make it clear that we work for the needs of the poor. >> so yesterday, i was out, but christine romans was doing an interview with christine fiedler. >> we know her. >> and christina asked her, is there a war on women from the catholic church, and here's what she said. >> well, it's a fundamental question that a lot of people ask. it certainly is true that at the institutional level, women are not treated as equals in the church. and they need to be. >> she went on to ask her if american nuns, and even american

catholics, are moving faster and evolving, i guess, faster than what's happening in rome. and she said yes to that too. she said, you know, rome is essentially remaining dictatorial, noncollaborative, but the american catholic church is not. do you agree with that? and what are the implications if that's true? >> well, i think really this is a very key time for the church. and in vatican two, our renewal program in the '60s, we looked at the inculturization of faith in different cultures. and i think what we have here is the inculturization of the catholic faith into a democratic culture. and rome continues as an absolute monarchy. and there they inculturate faith. when you inculturate faith we know the value that each and every person should have a vote, that questions are the way to truth, that exploration together in a group is the way we discover good policy. so that's what we know. but in the absolutely monarchy, they have a top down approach where the monarch is always

right. and it's that cultural clash that we're in the heart of. and how it turns out, i don't know. but i do know that faith and living the gospel will find a way through. >> quick final question for you. i know you're going to start this bus tour. it's called nuns on a bus, which almost sounds like a broadway show in a way i think. it starts tomorrow. you're protesting congressman paul ryan's budget. what's the plan with the bus tour? >> ok. it actually starts sunday. we're leaving tomorrow. but we start sunday in des moines, and we head east. we are lifting up the fact that we are standing with our bishops. the bishops have said that the republican budget is an immoral document, and we agree 100%. people need to know that the republican budget will devastate our country. and we need to push back and lift up our country as a whole. it's we the people, not just we the rich people, we the corporations, or we the military. it's all of us together to make a better nation. >> sister simone campbell, maybe

we'll have a chance to talk to you while the nuns are on the bus doing their tour across the country. thank you for being with us this morning. appreciate it. >> a delight. thank you. still ahead, hip-hop superstar nas will be with us. he's been tweeting it all morning. and his song "daughters" off his new album "life is good" is literally about his teenaged daughter. and some of his struggles as a father. nice to have you. nice to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> welcome, welcome. you're watching "starting point." we're back in a moment. how does this thing work? oh, i like it! [ garth ] sven's small business earns 2% cash back on every purchase, every day! woo-hoo!!! so that's ten security gators, right? put them on my spark card! why settle for less? testing hot tar... great businesses deserve the most rewards! [ male announcer ] the spark business card from capital one. choose unlimited rewards with 2% cash back or double miles on every purchase, every day! what's in your wallet? here's your invoice.

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♪ look at me ♪ like i'm not the cleanest father figure ♪ ♪ but she rocking with it ♪ my brothers with daughters >> life is good. that's according to rapper nas.

and it's also the name of his new album out in july. s he is celebrating fatherhood with his latest single called "daughters." we'll play a little bit of that. ♪ want to send a letter ♪ to some boy her age ♪ who locked up ♪ they caught my rage ♪ how could i not protect her from this fate ♪ >> nas is joining us this morning. nice to see you. that song is all about the struggles and some of the frustrations and some of the failures of raising a girl. >> yeah. >> you write about that. it's a different topic for you in some ways. >> yeah. it's a different thing for me. like having a teenaged daughter, it's different for me. it's like i'm -- i've got to be a parent. and because of the relationship i had with my daughter's mother and being in this business, it kind of took me away from her and took me away from being that parent that was there all the time. >> do you think you were a bad parent? or do you think you just weren't as good as you could have been? >> you know, i ask her that from time to time.

she says i was great. she says i was cool. so, yeah, i did my best. but it wasn't good enough for me. so that's why i did this record. >> you have another chance. you've got a son who is only about to be 3. >> yes. >> do you think differently about how you'll raise him as a father? or is it just different boys and girls? >> it's different. it's just different, you know. he's really too young for me to really know -- he's starting to talk a lot now. so we are starting to build this cool relationship. and i want to be better now this time around. >> having a daughter, and then when you see certain things on television, hear certain songs, has it changed your view of even music, even within the industry, because you're saying, wait a minute. i'm hearing folks talk about women in a certain way, and i have a daughter. >> myself included. you know, my language about, you know, women, things, life, was a little crazy. so, you know, for a minute, when my daughter was born, i thought i couldn't write anymore.

because here she's going to hear this stuff from her dad. so i started to make records that would be -- i thought she could listen to. i'd make one record -- i had a record called "i know i can" years ago, and that was pretty cool. and she liked it. that was my way of trying to give back, you know. >> when was the shift? what was the flip that was switched? i know your daughter instagramed a picture. was that the moment? >> it was in the video too. >> it's crazy. her own twitter was like, you know, i would hear that she's tweeting a lot of things. and i saw what she was tweeting. and it was just -- i'm like that's not my kid right there. like she is putting on this kind of thing for the world. like she's almost a rapper in her tweets. you know what i mean? it's like an act to me, you know what i mean? so it just wouldn't stop. and it wouldn't stop. and it just started to, you know, catching on to other -- people were blogging about it and stuff. so this song also was a way for

me to teach her and kind of embarrass her at the same time, beating myself up for not doing certain things that i think i should have did. >> but you got a little embarrassed when your editor put the wrong birth date. >> that was crazy. >> that's how the video starts. it was your birth date, and it's not your daughter's birth date. she's in the video, though. >> she's in the video right there, yeah. >> as a parent, if i have the lyrics here, if i were going to read this to my kid, i'd be like expletive, expletive, expletive, n word, n word, expletive. is this going to change, or do you think about changing how you write the lyrics? why the n word all the time? >> it's just street corner language. it's just -- as i get older, i've got to be honest with you, as i get older, the need for me to use it in my music is not so much as it used to be. but it's like young language, young street corner language, that winds up on the radio. and it speaks to a lot of young people in their language.

>> so this is the way to be authentic with the people who are listening to you? >> yeah. you've got to be a authentic. >> but if someone said the n word to your daughter, you would go and kill that person, right? >> no, no. >> but if you're a cousin of mine. >> if someone called her that in a mean, racial way, oh, yeah. i mean, that's different. >> all right. it's nice to see you, nas. we are out of time. great to have you as always. >> can i say happy birthday to my daughter who will be 18 on friday? >> of course you can. >> happy birthday, destiny. thank you for having me. >> "life is good" is the name of the album. nice to have you. appreciate it. still ahead, she was a gold-winning gymnast on the 1986 united states gymnastics team. but danielle has some secrets. that's coming up next. protect your family, launch your dreams. at legalzoom.com, we put the law on your side.

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at just 14 years old, she was the youngest member of the 1996 u.s. olympic gymnastics team. i remember that so well. but behind the gold medal success, dominique moceanu had some dark secrets. she shares her stories of abuse, secret injuries, and a shocking family secret in her new book called "off balance." dr. sanjay gupta talked to her for this week's "human factor." olympic gymnast dominique moceanu hasn't lost the focus and smile she's known for as a member of the magnificent seven in atlanta. but behind that smile, she's hidden a lot of pain. while she loved the sport, moceanu said her coaches, marta

and bella caroly, made her life miserable, severely restricting her eating, forcing her to hide any injuries, and constantly chipping away at her self-esteem. >> the name calling like piggy and fat. the carolies for example hit me in a lot of personal and emotional places. they used my father as a medium of abuse. >> she says the coaches would call her father to complain about her performance in practice. and he would punish her by hitting her. >> for so long i was silenced by those very people who never wanted me to say anything. >> the carolies declined to comment on the accusations, about you tell cnn, we have known dominique since she was a young gymnast and wish her only success. she went to court at 16 to reclaim her money and choose her own coach. moceanu's younger sister, christina, says she witnessed the abuse she suffered at the hands of her father. but says dominique reconciled

with him before he died from cancer. >> i learned to take those experiences that were difficult and that were in my life and the adversity that i had overcome to use it for a positive change. >> moceanu retired from gymnastics in 2006. and soon afterward, while she was pregnant with her first child, she received a letter from another sister. one she never knew she had. a sister born with no legs. and given up for adoption. >> i got the biggest bombshell of my life. and it changed everything. my life will forever, you know, be divided now into before knowing about jen and after knowing about jen. >> today, moceanu is happily married and wants to help other young gymnasts fall in love with the sport she loved so much. and she says her two children may even be gymnasts in the future. dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, reporting. "end point" is up next with the panel. back in a moment. almost tastes like one of jack's cereals.

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"end point" to will cain. >> i want to start -- finish where we started, that your shoes reveal so much about your personality. i want to illustrate this to you by pointing out today that when roland martin came in looking like tubbs from miami vice, i had no idea whether he was ready to baptize people or stop people on the corner. the white suit says nothing about him. but the saddleback slingback sandals do. >> the fact that you think the suit is white shows me you have no clue whatsoever. and the one thing will cain should never do, use fashion in a sentence. >> i have never been with a group of people where the men

overwhelmingly talk more about clothes than the women. >> hey, nice dress, margaret. nice shoes. done and done. >> you guys talk about it every day. >> all day. all day. >> he has 30 of those in his closet. >> moving on. tomorrow we're going to talk to ice-t. now we get to "cnn newsroom" with carol costello. happening right now in the newsroom, an amazing story of survival. an 18-month-old thrown from an suv during a police chase. that kid gets up and walks back toward the car. lying to a judge. the wife of george zimmerman who claimed the couple had little money because she was a fulltime student and george wasn't working is now charged with perjury. we'll tell you the code words the couple used to communicate while he was in jail. dude, relax. rhode island set to become the 15th state to decriminalize marijuana. no big fines, no jailtime, nothing on your record. and other states are noticing. we'll talk with a state representative from rhode island about the growing nationwide movement.