that congress is too cold-blooded to do anything about it. to make a deal that could instill confidence again in the greatest economy on earth. yes, that is, still, by leap, bounds, everything, everybody, the united states of america. instead, by the end of the day, the credit rating agency moody's downgraded america's five biggest banks. specifically blaming fear about stability in the global financial system. that means it's going to cost those banks more to operate. that means they have less money to lend to all the borrowers in this country. about the only person feeling good today, billionaire larry ellison. it's good when you got $36 billion and buying an entire island in hawaii is pocket change. maybe he's planning to hole up there if the world really falls apart. you know, build his own bike stand in paradise. ah. but, for the rest of us, we need congress to act. just a few moments ago, i spoke with senator rand paul, tea

party darling. just listen and see if you notice one exchange in this interview really stood out to me. i began by asking senator paul if he feels guilty for the economic pain congress' inaction has cost. >> well, not mine, i just got here, but i've been one of the few that's been willing to propose changes. we have a trillion dollar annual deficit. i have a plan that would fix social security for 75 years and a plan that reforms medicare. i just can't get anybody on the other side to talk to me about it. >> we talked recently. you said, look, i'm willing to close loopholes that make the wealthy pay more. are you willing to keep loopholes that help the poor? child credit, earned income tax credit, social security, some of the things that help the poorest of the country, would you keep those in place? >> yeah, if it meant getting to a final overall revenue neutral tax deal. we had to keep earned income tax credit? yeah, there are a lot of things we could do. overall, less deductions, more

simplicity, lower rates to encourage economic growth. the reason we don't have as much revenue as we used to as a percentage of gdp, is because the economy's slow. if the economy were growing again, month uch of our deficit problem would become much smaller. we have a spending problem up here. we're spending nearly 25% of gdp it it's 24-some-odd percent of gdp. historical historically, we were close to 20%. or we'll bankrupt the country. >> it's interest senator paul, sometimes i talk to you, i feel like i'm talking to a democrat. you say, look, erin, the deficit, if the economy were growing again, the problem would go away. there are a lot people in your party who won't even acknowledge that. they're so obsessed with cutting spending. you don't sound like you share that same kind of line in the sand obsession. >> erin, be careful about making me sound too reasonable. you might hurt my credentials a little bit. no, i am willing to talk to the other side. i am willing to figure out how

we fix things. i'm a physician. i want to diagnose the problem and fix the problem. i really am not a partisan because i'm willing to criticize my own party when i think they're wrong too. so i think if we talked more about the issues and less about the parties, we probably would do better. >> if we got rid of all the loopholes, obviously, i know you would keep some of them. some help the very poor. just for argument's sake, congressional service says you get rid of all of these things. you gain $1.1 trillion just in 2014. i'm at $3.3 trillion. i have a lot more money. i know you'd like to give some tax credits. but would you be willing, for some of that additional revenue go, to say infrastructure? >> if we're talking about revenue neutral, yes. for example, i proposed a bill that would allow corporations to bring their money back from overseas, tax it at 5% instead of 35%.

that brings in $30 billion a year. and i would designate that all for infrastructure. i told the president that when i rode with him on air force one. i said, i'll help you build bridges. but you got to pass something we can both agree to. >> but i still don't understand. revenue neutral. people have babies. people move to this country. so you get more people. but you're not allow to raise more revenue. you don't have to be a mathematician -- >> we do get more revenue. for example, the tax rate is 35%, and your economy grows, it brings in more revenue. having a constant rate doesn't mean that more revenue doesn't come in. right now we have less revenue, even though it really has nothing to cuts. the bush tax cuts kept the same revenue for four or five years. >> it's not revenue neutral, it's rate neutral. there's a big difference. >> that's kind of -- you're right. you get into the weeds on these things. there is some discussion on revenue neutral/rate neutral. a lot of us would support

getting rid of deductions as long as you're able to spur growth through a better tax code which might mean lower rates overall for everyone. >> right. all right. well, i mean, i think that -- that's a really important fi philosophical distinction. we were talking about pakistan. the pakistani lawyer who was instrumental in u.s. s.e.a.l.s and the cia capturing and killing osama bin laden. you wanted to end u.s. aid to pakistan because pakistanis caught this guy and sentenced him to 33 years in jail. his lawyer today says he's trying to get an appeal. the hearing was delayed. do you have the support of the administration, the obama administration, in this? >> well, i was blocked by harry reid. and he runs the senate and the agenda. was blocked by him. i've got a message for harry reid and the democrats. i have enough signatures to force a vote now. so at any point in time, i can bring this down and force a vote. my plan is, i'm going to meet with the ambassador from pakistan next week.

i've asked to meet with the state department. president obama's state department. and i have the ability to force this vote. my plan is to have the vote after the appeal. the appeal is set right now to be july 19th. i would like to encourage that they reconsider keeping him as a political prisoner. and if they do so, maybe the vote doesn't happen. but the vote is scheduled to happen or is going to be scheduled to happen after his next trial and after his next appeal. >> all right. one quick update. the tax revenue number i cited to senator paul actually understated tax revenues. $2.5 trillion, 2012. if you close all the loopholes, your total revenue would go to $3.6 trillion. again, the headline is senator paul wouldn't close the loopholes that help the poorest americans. that's something important. also revenue neutral and rate neutral not the same thing. that's going to be interesting, mr. norquist. still out front, mr. romney

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elect leaders on the heels of president obama's new immigration policy announcement. he will let illegal immigrants under the age of 30 stay in this country if they have high school diplomas. did mitt romney say he agreed with the president or not? so i guess let's start with that key question, john avlon, did mitt romney say whether he supports the president's move to let these immigrants without criminal records, who have geds or high school diplomas, stay in the country? >> no, he did not. he said that i would have a long-term solution that would supersede the president's temporary plan. but there are no specifics. it was very inclusive in tone. it was completely inconclusive in terms of content.

>> are you speechless, ryan? ryan's mouth is wide open and no noise is coming out. >> i just thought it was a very well-crafted solution that addresses a lot concerns about higher-skilled immigration. temporary work visas, among other things. silicon valley and a lot have had. the basic story is this. you had a president who i think some believe, congress, believe that he short circuited a political process and put in place a version of what is called the dream act for a narrow number of undocumented immigrants. the thing is what romney has said is i'm going to work from day one on comprehensive legislation and so i am not -- so the idea is that he's not going to address that immediately. >> will the legislation allow -- >> -- overturn the executive order immediately -- >> fundamentally, would it allow people without criminal records to stay in the country? >> at the talked about a much narrow category of folks. talked about people who served

in the military. a lot of people talk about people who are college educated, et cetera. i don't see why those people are somehow better or -- >> -- apply to college educated, it just said high school diploma or ged. >> for example if you're in prison for less than 90 days -- >> saying he backs a bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform. he opposed -- >> a large number of democrats, as well as republicans. >> vicky, you're at a disadvantage because you're far away but you're the one who is there. how was mitt romney received? >> first of all, he showed up. that in and of itself speaks volumes. also what we did see was that he didn't duck the question of immigration. many of us thought, is he just going to focus on the economy? is he going to look at immigration? he did, he took it head on. the other thing i noticed was that he softened his tone on

immigration. there was no talk of self-deportation. and he even highlighted his connection to mexico. highlighting how his father was born in mexico. so, yes, he was very broad in his comments. he did start to get into the weeds. but, erin, my frustration was he didn't deal with the millions of folks who are here. he said what he would do for high-tech folks. he said what he would do for folks who joined the military. what about for the folks who are here? enforcement only doesn't address that. >> ryan, that's sort of what -- >> it's absolutely not enforcement only. the high-skilled immigration piece of this is not a trivial matter, erin -- >> in terms of raw numbers of people -- true, but in terms of raw numbers of people -- >> actually, no, erin -- first of all, we're focused on the unauthorized immigration question. there's a huge number of legal immigrants. he addressed their concerns about family unification among other issues. he talked about actually streamlining the immigration policy for these people who get

forgotten. >> sure, but it's not mutually exclusive -- >> -- think that's actually a huge problem in terms of what matters for our economic future, erin. >> vicky. >> it's not mutually exclusive, you're right. we do need to address the question of legal immigrants. he did do a good job of laying that out. he same time, you can't just focus on that. immigration is a beast that is very large. you need to attack it in terms of -- >> i'd say it hasn't done enough focus -- >> look, part -- look, marco rubio spoke about how the republican party needs to be the party of immigration. there's a difference between being pro immigrant and pro illegal immigrant. the problem is so many of the policy specifics mitt romney put forward are things already obama backs. we can have all the narrative bumper sticker policy disagreements we want. yes, he's pivoting to the general election from the primary play he made.

>> actually -- >> you know what -- >> please, continue. >> one thing i wanted to point out was that he attacked the president head on. i think that was one of the most notable aspects of his speech. he said, hey, i'm not going to break my promise. the president promised comprehensive immigration reform. i thought that was quite interesting to see a hit gutsiness of romney today. >> point out one thing. when you look at the 2009 fiscal stimulus law which the president as we all know backed, there was an explicit provision saying firms that received t.a.r.p. funds cannot enjoy h 1 b visas. kind of to draw in some of these high-skilled immigrants. it certainly looks as though he's actually been dragging his feet this entire time. a number of other measures that are actually critical to technology firms. there's been no progress on those issues. so i think the idea that he agrees completely on this is belied by his actual practices

in office. >> it's also about what's gotten through congress. there are powerful groups that don't want to increase h 1 b visas. is something that's been discussed for a long time. we have bumper sticker policy debates that the narrative outweighs the facts. saying not a single free trade agreement has been passed by the president. apparently forgetting about two countries called colombia and panama. >> this was an extremely specific speech -- >> those specifics were wrong. >> it was not a specific speech. it was many things but it was not specific. you know, he did have some specific points -- it was very broad brush strokes. i'm going to be curious how he elaborates that on the future. you know, going into the summer, going into the conventions. will he further tease it out? the latino community is going to be open to that. >> it was about as specific as a state of the union address would be. it was a policy address to a wide audience. >> i want to ask you quickly.

you said he brought up his father being born in mexico. what's the response to that? does that help him? does that endure him to latinos or is that just kind of a nonstarter? >> i think what it does at the beginning is it starts to soften his tone. he was so hard in his rhetoric during the primary. so he's saying, hey, let's talk, let me show you a little bit of a personal connection. he's got maybe a small toe in the door. >> all right. thanks very much to all of you. we really appreciate it. remember that night? >> indeed, indeed. >> "outfront" next, we'll show you a reenaccountmetment of the trayvon martin was killed. a little bluebird was -- i don't know, it must have flown into a wall and hit the ground but it got back up again. with the spark cash card from capital one,

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minister demitty medvedev. apparently is a buddy of his and also tweets. now, this is an interesting association, because cadrayev is not really known as a nice guy. he's been called a medieval tyrant and accused of corruption. including kidnapping and murder. in its recent report, the u.s. state department says kadyrov's government continued to violate fundamental freedoms. and foster an overall atmosphere of fear and intimidation. our government and the international media don't think he's very social. but apparently he is. apparently it's not strange he has turned to social media. so far, he's only tweeted seven times. he answered questions about things like road blocks and whether he's going to the olympics. of course, he might have had more questions if twitter hadn't crashed, which brings me to the number tonight.

120 minutes. acording to ping dom, that's how many minutes twitter was down today. the problem was called by a, quote, cascaded bug. i don't know what that means. but everybody noticed. because as soon as twitter was back online it kind of went up and down. a lot of you went on twitter to tweet about how much you missed twitter. take a look at all the messages. #, while twitter was down. still trending now. i think the takeaway may be that people need something else to do it the only other question some people have is whether there was a link between the chechen warlord joining twitter and twitter's blackout. of course you can tweet us, @ t us, @outfrontcnn. a new attack. could be hugely significant. america could be behind it. another alleged victim of jerry sandusky comes forward. this one, a member of his own family. so we invented a warning

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he was under investigation for a felony hit and run after allegedly causing two car accident accidents. the commerce department said he suffered a seizure when the accidents occurred. he was cited for the wrecks. authorities are decide weathering to formally file charges. in a statement, the president thanked bryson for his service, saying he brought in valuable experience and expertise to the administration. well, the senate has passed its verse of the farm bill. a 64-35 vote. the bill is estimated to cut the deficit by $24 billion. this is kind of sketchy, though, because most of the savings come from ending direct payments to farmers. they're just going to get taxpayer subsidieied insurance that's going to help them. an additional $4.5 billion comes from cuts to the food stamp program. one of the things that stayed in the bill, the sugar subsidy. according to mark perry of the university of michigan, sugar tariffs cost americans, this is you when you go to the store and buy a candy bar, nearly $3.9

billion a year. the bill still needs to be considered by the house. one of the biggest beneficiaries of those sugar subsidies are the frangelo family in miami. the mother of twins from south carolina who has been battling flesh eating bacteria for more than a month now. she has been upgraded to good condition. and is continuing to recuperate. she has undergone close to 20 surgical procedures in an effort to fight the bacteria. her husband says she's enjoying spending time with her newborn twins and has been unable -- has been able to hold them unassisted for the first time. it's about 322 days since america lost its top credit rating. our five biggest banks were downrated by credit rating agency moody's today. on the upside, for the first time in 322 days, greece has a government. we'll see if they actually get something done. now, our third story out front. iran under attack.

iran's intelligence minister tells state television in the country iran is a victim of a massive news cyberattack. and it's accuse the united states and israel of once again trying to take down its nuclear sites. this is a former cia operative who worked in the middle east for decades. what do you know about the new virus? after the ones we talk about, the flame, which were successful, which they're saying this is another one that's been successful in targeting their systems. >> well, you want to send successive ones in against their nuclear facilities. as they protect against them, you have to redesign them to keep on going after the system. the iranian nuclear facilities are not completely immune. this is a kind of covert action. you want to keep going after again and again in new forms. >> so i guess the question is, is this succeeding in slowing down the nuclear program? we've been showing viewers recently one of the key sites iran has refused access to,

still refusing access. looks like they're cleaning it up. things have been going on right now. they have not been moving in terms of bowing to u.s. interests on the negotiation front. so this kind of a thing going to work? >> well, i don't -- eventually they can protect their system and they could if they wanted to build a bomb at some point. they will protect themselves to the degree, isolate their computer system, get enough material, if they want to. there's no evidence they're actually building a bomb right now. but on the other hand, look at the administration's point of view. they're telling israel we're not in a position to attack iran. it would be a cat it was traef. give us a chance on these viruses. give us a chance on sanctions. we might be able to stop this, but don't go to war now. it's actually quite intelligence policy on the part of the white house. >> tell me, what's the logic? why does the iranian government admit and come out publicly and say they're being attacked and

it's causing problems? why would you do that? >> well, this is -- iran is not a unified government. you have different parts of it acting in different ways. you have some iranians would like to have a nuclear bomb. most wouldn't. they're using this as a card with the west. in, in -- who's to say whether they'll eventually back down. this kind of a tack really can't be hidden. the white house has all but admitted it created those viruses and sent them into the iranian nuclear system. >> you spent a lot of time in the region in places like syria as a cia operative. i was talking to a senior government official today who's involved with the negotiations. who said, look, we really don't know what they're doing right now. the american visibility into what iran is really doing is very low. do you think that's true? do you think there are cia operatives right now in that country who really are able to tell us exactly what the iranian government's doing? >> no, think he's absolutely

right. it's pretty much black hole. iran, we don't know what they're doing. yes, they could produce a bomb and explode it before we knew it. there are no cia operatives in iran. it's impossible to move around. it's a very opaque country. and nothing would surprise me from iran. >> all right, well, thanks very much, bob, we really appreciate it. pretty amazing. they could get a bomb and test it before we even knew it. that's a pretty shocking comment. now, our fourth story out front. just hours ago, a revelation in the jerry sandusky case. his own son now claiming he was abused by his father. he has broke the story and has been following it from the qu n beginning. our legal contributor joins us as well. tell me what you know. closing arguments coming out from his son, now 33 years old. what have you found out? >> well, basically, just a few hours after jurors went into deliberate, we heard from matt sandusky's attorney he is now saying he was a victim of his

adopted father. he was abused by him some time during his childhood. now, we don't know exactly when. we really don't know the details. all we know is that he is saying this for the first time. which is interesting, because just ten days ago, when his trial started, he sat in the section of supporters for jerry sandusky in the courtroom. and joe al men dole la, the attorney for jerry sandusky, even told the jurors in his opening statements that they might hear from matt sandusky as a supporter of jerry sandusky. and then today, just a few hours after the case goes to the jury, that all really changed. >> and so, sara, do you have any information on what matt sandusky is saying as to when this happened, what type of abuse it might have been? any sense of the scope and scale? >> the best sense i can give you is what his mother has told me. his biological mother has told me. that matt sandusky went into

foster care after he got into a little trouble with the law in 1996. he went to foster care at sandusky's request at sandusky's home. she says she witnessed some stalking behavior by sandusky. she witnessed a drastic change in her son's behavior. and her notes from that time period, from her court proceedings in this courthouse right behind me where this trial took place indicate that she had serious concerns about their relationship but no one listened to her and matt sandusky continued to be in foster placement with jerry sandusky till he was 18. at that point, matt sandusky agreed to be adopted by jerry and dottie and he changed his last name to sandusky. >> at that point. paul kallen, the jerry was already sequestered when this came out. will they find out about this? >> no, they won't find out about it. frankly, if they did, this is such a devastating accusation it would almost certainly result in a mistrial. the reason they have been

sequestered is to shield and protect them from any outside information relating to the case. they can only consider evidence that was developed in the courtroom and hopefully if the court officers are doing their job properly, they'll never hear about this new accusation. >> sara, the closing arguments were today. one thing dish just want to point out, everyone, that's matt sandusky you're look at, at the screen, the man on the right. sara, closing arguments. i know the prosecutor had the last word. he was standing behind jerry sandusky. he says, quote, he knows he did it and you know he did it, find him guilty of everything. was that the most powerful thing that was said? what did the defense say? >> it was pretty powerful, erin. the defense had a pretty compelling closing argument too. i thought the attorney did a very good job of breaking it down. this is a big case of a lot of allegations. and a lot different accusers.

witnesses who say they saw abuse. i thought he did a very good job of breaking it down in a way that was digestible to the jury and breaking down the defense so it was digestible. it was something they could understand and potentially even see. like you said, the prosecution gets to go last. and that was the last thing they heard before they went into deliberations, was that very powerful moment. something else i thought was compelling in court was the way jerry sandusky responded to the prosecutor's closing statements. he was smiling a lot. especially at key moments when they were talking about evidence. one point in particular when they called him a serial predator pedophile. and he had a grin on his face. he was facing the jurors. i'm not sure if they were looking at him but it was pretty compelling for the rest of us. >> does that surprise you he was smiling? i've got to say, as an observer, when sara says that, i think of all the times we've seen some of these video loops when jerry sandusky's getting in and out of

the car during all this and he does seem to be smiling a lot. >> it really shocks me that he would do that. because it's so totally inappropriate. here, he's being accused of pretty much the worst crime a man can be accused, pedophilia. and to be smiling at the accusation. it just -- that's not going to help his case. that's for sure. and i think it's shocking behavior. i agree with sara. i read the accounts of amendola's losing argumee amendola's losing argume inclos. he did a very, very good job. yep, the defense attorney. he gave the jury a lot of things to think about in their deliberations. >> thanks very much, sara and paul. out front next what did george zimmerman show police the day after he shot and killed trayvon martin? and the french president is caught in the middle of a love triangle that may have actually

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and we start tonight in canada. luca manogoda, the porn actor of killing and dismembering a student, made his first appearance in person in a montreal court today. paula newton is following the trial and asked her what happened today. >> two surprises in the courtroom today. first up, he actually appeared in court. he was wearing a plaid shirt and blue jeans. he sat impassively while his lawyer did not ask for a psychiatric evaluation. that was the second of the surprises. we will have preliminary hearings in the new year. the investigation continues. his defense lawyer bringing up the specter of what his mental health is and talking about medications in court and whether his client would get those medications. at the same time, the victim, the family, apparently briefed by police about where the justice system goes from here. we may not see him in court again till next year. >> now, let's check in with

anderson. >> hey, erin. covering breaking news tonight. the jury, as you know, in the case of jerry sandusky, has -- it's gone to the jury. the bombshell, though, that the jurors will not hear, matt sandusky, the adopted son of the former penn state assistant football coach, telling prosecutors that he was molested by sandusky. we'll go to our reporters. we'll also speak with our legal panel. about why prosecutors chose not to have matt sandusky take the stand. he was apparently willing to testify about this. also, that disturbing video with a surprise ending. the disturbing, really incredible verbal abuse heaped upon this woman. a 68-year-old bus monitor. karen klein. by a group of middle schoolchildren. we'll show you parts of the video. it's so disturbing, had a hard time watching. there's been an outpouring of support, including donations towards her, more than $300,000. several of the kids have actually written letters of apology.

we're going to read them to karen, get her reaction. we also have a big surprise to her. those stories and tonight's riduculist. >> really looking forward to that. now, our next story "outfront." trayvon martin case. this really is the most compelling evidence released so far. for the first time, we're actually seeing and hearing george zimmerman telling the sanford police what happened on the night of february 26th when he killed trayvon martin. >> and then when i got to right about here, he yelled from behind me, to the side of me. he said, yo, you got a problem? i turned around and i said, no, i don't have a problem, man. >> where was -- where was he at? the. >> he was about there but he was walking towards me. >> all right. the video was taken actually the day after the shooting. zimmerman's bandages are clearly visible on the back of his head. what he did is walk investigator, through his version of events. >> he was about where you are.

>> okay. >> and i said, i don't have a problem. i went to go grab my cell phone. but -- i left it in a different pocket. i looked down at my pant pocket. and he said, you got a problem now. and then he was here and he punched me in the face. >> zimmerman says after he was punched in the face, he then fell to the ground and martin began slamming his head on the sidewalk. now, according to zimmerman, he says that trayvon martin saw his gun. >> that's when my jacket moved up and i had my firearm on my right side hip. my jacket moved up and he saw it. i feel like he saw it. he looked at it. he said, you're going to die tonight, [ bleep ] and he reached for it but he reached -- like i felt his arm going down to my side. and i grabbed it. and i just grabbed my firearm and i shot him. >> natalie jackson is an attorney for trayvon martin's family. they're both out front tonight. natalie, let's start with you.

what i found so fascinating watching this re-enactment was, you know, the only other time we've seen george zimmerman, when he was sitting in that courtroom, just sitting there with the shackles. this was actually a sense of the person and him telling his story before he had a lawyer, before he knew this was going to blow up. so what's your reaction when you see that sort of i would say unfiltered george zimmerman? >> i think that it shows george zimmerman he, you know, has a nottive and he's going with his story, he's going to stick to it. if you -- there's a beginning to that tape though, the videotape. and it talks -- it shows george zimmerman explaining why he got out of the car. he explained that he got out of the car because dispatch needed the address of a -- on a sign. >> right. >> and i think -- i think that all of that, when you look at it together, you'll see the many inconsistencies with george zimmerman. >>, ma, what's your take,

though, when you watch this? just from a perspective of a person's behavior? is this a person that looks like he's covering something up? a person that's lying? a person who think, he might have done something wrong or not? >> well, the first thing that strikes me is that the investigation was more extensive than i thought it was from the police department. i didn't think they had gone to these measures. from what i read and heard, think a lot of people didn't think so. the next thing that strikes me in this matter is that you have a man who seems relatively cool, calm and collected. i will tell you in light of his bond hearing, i'm very suspect of anything he says because of the lack of fourth rightness that came out of his bonnet hd r hearing. however with that said, think this case is going to boil down to the independent witnesses and boil down to the forensics and whether the independent witnesses and the forensics match up to his story. both sides are going to looking for -- to line up his statements with any of the forensics and of the witness statements it the defense looking for

consistencies. the state looking for inconsisten inconsistencies. >> i want to ask about one of the inconsistencies you raised. the bottom line, do you still think the most powerful thing you have right now is the fact that george zimmerman and his wife lied about the money that they had and his second passport? >> i think that -- >> well, there's two matters -- >> i wanted to ask natalie first, mark. >> oh, i think that credibility is an issue in this case because you're going to have -- there's clearly a homicide that has been committed. trayvon was shot by george zimmerman. zimmerman is bringing forth a self-defense argument. his self-defense argument is he was defending himself and the only person that is saying that and backing that up is george zimmerman. so his credibility comes into play here. i think that, you know, it's going to be something that is overall -- an overall theme in the entire case. >> now i want to go in this area of inconsistencies.

i'm going to play here, natalie what george zimmerman said about this crucial issue that so many of you following this case care a lot about. why did george zimmerman get out of the car, was he pursuing trayvon martin? crucial, the whole defense, the whole self-defense stand your ground line of defense. here is george zimmerman, the re-enactment, answering why he got out of the car. >> you said it's on the left hand side from the clubhouse? >> no, you go in straight through the entrance. and then you'd make a left. you go straight in. don't turn and make a left. [ bleep ] he's running. >> he's running? which way is he running? >> down towards the other entrance of the neighborhood. >> okay. which entrance is that that he's heading towardings? >> the back entrance. [ bleep ] >> are you following him? >> yeah. >> okay, we don't need you to do that. >> all right.

that obviously was the 911 call. he said, the dispatcher, once again asked me for my exact location. i could not remember the name of the street so i got out of my car to look for a street sign. i can see how you're going to say that is inconsistent, saying i got out to look for a street sign. we just heard on that 911 call he was told to stay in the car, right? >> yes, that's true. that's not a small inconsistency. that's a huge one. because our whole position has been that this case is not a stand your ground case. because george zimmerman pursued trayvon martin. and the fact that that is not what he wrotene in his statemen that he pursued and rode after him. what else can we believe in the statement if from the very beginning there's a lie? >> mark, final question to you. george zimmerman never tried to hide the fact he got out of the car and went after trayvon

martin first, never tried to hide that? >> yeah, and i think that's a significant issue. you know, i saw a guy that looked relatively calm and re-enacted everything. i think that natalie is right as it relates to the credibility is going to be everything in this case. >> right. >> i will point out -- he's got a lot of questions about his credibility. i will point out the fact is we're going to have to line up the evidence and the forensics with his statements and see where it lands. there's some big questions. we need to see if -- the evidence is going to unfold over the period of time. i think that's everything. >> all right, thanks very much. mark, natalie. "outfront," in america, when an ex-lover and a current lover fight over a man -- that would be fun to see. in france, that happens. and they do it at the very highest, the top, the number one spot in government. no matter what small business you are in, managing expenses seems to... get in the way. not anymore.

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so twitter was down today but there was one tweet battle heard around the world. a tweet about a love triangle in paris. we've been telling you about the most important election around the world. euro europe, where french president's

francois hollande. that means he controls the french equivalent of the house, the senate and the presidency. this is great news for hollande and the socialists. yet hollande was not celebrating. one seat that his candidate lost. his former common law wife was one of the candidates running. considered a lock for the seat. but she lost narrowly to another socialist. there's no way to know the full reason why she lost. she has a theory. she blames this woman. valerie. a journalist and the current common law partnerp francois hollande. valerie took to twitter. hollande publicly said he was upset by this. the tweet's still up there. the press has taken to calling her the rottweiler.

vall valerie carried out a two-year secret affair with hollande. we do love the french though. "a.c. 360" starts now. erin, thanks very much. good evening. we begin with breaking news. attorneys are in chambers right now in the jerry sandusky child rape case and jurors are deliberating. a bombshell dropped today. new accusations from yet another alleged victim. this time, it is jerry sandusky's own adopted son. matt sandusky is his name. he said through his attorney late today that jerry sandusky sexually abused him and that he was prepared to testify for the prosecution during the trial. now, he was not called to the stand. we're going to get into why in just a minute because that's of course the question everybody wants to know the answer to. first, a bit of background. he went to live with the sanduskies as a foster child. he was later adopted. he had denied ever being abused by sandusky till just this