some of the stocks are moving up a little bit. that's the bank part of it. banks are what pumps the oxygen through the financial system. when you have people worried talking about a slowing global economy, it caused all kinds of concerns. we're concerned about slowing numbers from china, from europe, from germany in particular. we had all kinds of macro economic data that was starting to show what many people feared that the global economy is slowing down. that means american factories are selling fewer things and american business owners are not hiring people because they are worried about the global slowdown and it feeds on itself. >> does that mean a double dip recession? >> we can't say there will be a double dip recession, we know that growth is slowing around the world and that is the big fear. we have other things going on, the fiscal cliff is looming, debt ceiling stuff will be coming up, political problems around the world. when there's prosperity, politics is not quite so dangerous. but when you don't have

prosperi prosperity, the politics become that much more important. and so we've got some real issues in this country on the political front we need to address, the debt ceiling and all of the stuff coming up. >> all grounded in the economic front. >> so many things to worry about. i can make a list and maybe two things you don't have to worry about. that's where we are in the middle of the summer. >> we're going to talk about the bank downgrades and how they impact the november election when we're joined by randy forbes of virginia. our guest straight ahead. >> christine is back with other stories making headlines. >> soledad, a deadly siege at the ckabul hotel is over. sparking an overnight gun battle with afghan and nato troops in kab kabul. three security guards and security guard and three are dead. more than 40 civilians were

rescued but it is feared others may be dead inside. the northeast is sizzling, temperatures will soar into the 90s for the third day in a row. people are fleeing to pools and beaches. alexandra steele joins us live. when will the heat end? >> the worst is over. this was the worse. the worst was yesterday, record breaking temperatures, baltimore, 100 degrees for you. washington, it was 99. new york, 98. the worst is over, kind of the pin cal of the heat was yesterday. today is a transitional day. we'll see a cold front move through, could see hail and maybe even a severe storm. but it will drop the temperature. the worst is over in terms of the highest heat. tomorrow and saturday temperatures drop in the 80s and upper 70s. by tuesday, places like albany, will flirt with just 70 degrees on tuesday. so the heat, the worst of it is over, temperatures cooling down on the back side of this cold

front. you know what else is heating up? the tropics, getting open for business, area of low pressure disturbed area of low pressure in the gulf of mexico. it will take about 48 hours to really get organized. spaghetti models, not a big consensus on this. you can see kind of the dispa disparity in numbers. right now everybody open for business. from the texas gulf coast to florida. and we're going to watch this move in monday into tuesday. a few more days to keep an eye on it. flooding in minnesota is turning roads into rivers and keeping rescue crews busy. pulled to safety thursday in thompson, they were left stranded by flooding caused by the overflowing thompson reservoir. flooding has decimated the neighborhood. only one neighbor remains in his home, everyone else has fled to

higher ground. president obama will speak at the huge gathering of hispanic lawmakers near orlando. his speech coming just one day after mitt romney addressed the gathering. he focused primarily on the economy and reminded voters to remember the promises and economic reality they now face. >> he may admit that he hasn't kept every promise and he'll probably say even though you aren't better off than four years ago, things could be worse. he'll imply you don't have an alternati alternative. i believe he's taking your vote for granted. suzanne malveaux is live. >> reporter: you might notice here this is not only going to be the largest gathering of hispanic policy makers but in the heart of disney world, so you might seen the monorail and space mountain. it is a mix of families and

powerful people throughout the country waiting to hear for the president to speak later this morning. what we saw yesterday was real little a very enthusiastic crowd. but also very skeptical crowd. they wanted to hear what mitt romney had to say and he talked about the economy, talking about 11% unemployment for the hispanic community. 2 million hispanics now living in poverty but also took a swipe at president obama. his policy changed last week saying he would allow young adults meeting criteria to stay here in the united states despite their illegal immigrant status. mitt romney essentially saying it was a stop gap measure and it was temporary. we're going to hear president obama coming back and swinging hard and saying that he is doing something to at least address and fix this problem. the last time he was here was back in 2008 as a candidate. now he's trying to prove once again that he needs another four years and that he will be good for the hispanic community. very important words that are going to happen later this morning.

christine? >> suzanne malveaux in florida. lebron james and heat are champions of the nba eliminating the oklahoma city thunder in five games with a 121-106 victory in miami. james capturing his first title along with mvp honors. we'll talk about lebron's achievement and what it means for his legacy. we're joined by mike and mike in the morning. >> i have been e-mailing people collecting on my debts that people owe me money and things. >> one dollar. >> i did a whole week of pay back from one person. a whole week. a week. >> let's make a list. >> i'm a good friend. >> christine, thank you for the update. our lead story fears of a double dip recession to talk about after moody's downgraded the credit rating of 15 banks, morgan stanley, bank of america, goldman sachs and citigroup.

it's not clear how this is going to affect every day americans. republican congressman randy forbes is with us this morning. >> good to be with you. >> when you hear a double dip recession, do you think that's likely? she said it's too soon to tell. >> it's too soon to tell. when you travel around the country and listen to people hiring people and listen to you and i talk up here, they are saying nobody is listening to them. what they really need is to get the strangling regulations off their back and get more stability where we're not changing the rules from monday to friday every single week which is what they feel is happening. we need to get situations where they are not focused so much on the litigation that they have to do throughout the businesses so that they can have a fair level playing field to compete and get back in this economic game. until that happens, we're going to continue to see the fluctuations take place. >> you've been a proponent of less regulation and fewer taxes. how does that translate into more jobs and better economy

regulation is what could have staved off a crisis in the first place. >> there's different kinds of regulation, one of the things you're hearing today, we need to step back and ask people investing the money, ask the people making the hiring decisions why they aren't doing it. if you just do that -- one of the things you have to see, this administration united them together because they are coming back across the country and telling us the same thing. we are not going to make investments if you have this huge health care big strangling small business around the country. we're not going to do it when every single day we're kicking business people in the teeth. until we get the guys back in the game and get them investing those moneys, we're going to continue to have this cycle cal thing. >> advised to tone down the state of florida's success and the report is it's coming out of the romney campaign. this is the dems accusing the republicans of rooting for a bad economy.

that is not the first time something like has been charged. >> we're in a political season and hear all kinds of things. what you love to see is for the administration, three and a half years, just once for one of the failed policies, always have the same responses, either george bush made me do it or mean republicans. >> sometimes it is the mean republicans -- >> sometimes it is the mean democrats doing it to themselves. soledad, everybody wants this economy to grow and do well. i think the american people realize we've got to turn these policies around if we want to get the economy going again. >> mitt romney was speaking in front of the organization of latino leaders and he basically talked a little bit about his plans for immigration. he was very i thought vague and sketchy on some things but said there should be a clear path to citizenship for those in military service, green card preference for families living under one roof and visa program, strengthen border security.

he didn't really talk about what everybody is talking about, which is the dream act, in quotes, kids. >> i think we need -- again, i think the governor said it well. we don't need a two-year bandaid on this. we need a comprehensive fix that will deal with the problem on a long-term basis. one of the things i was excited to hear about with the governor, he's going to put a lot of detail to his proposal. >> but he hasn't low on details. >> he's come out with a proposal six months before he's become president and president obama it has taken him three and a half years. where were his proposals in congress? >> his answer is will put in place a long-term solution that will super side -- >> i disagree. i think what he's talking about is the need for a permanent fix on a balanced approach where he looks at a couple of things. one, make sure we're enforcing the laws we have -- >> let's talk specifically about the dream act type kids.

what he's saying on that front, i'm going to do something long term. you're saying something, something long term because this is a very vague paragraph. i can read it to you, it's vague. >> if you want me to respond, i'm happy to. one of things we hear all the time, i'm not hearing it in studios like this but from case work all across our constituent offices. people tell us one of the biggest problems they have is this inefficient administration to get the paperwork done. that's what people talk about. the second thing is this, he's talking about giving a path to sit zenship for people who serve in the united states service. >> i'm talking about the dream act kids. >> you want to talk about the things you feel -- but what i'm saying -- >> i hear you. >> what people are talking about, they want a balanced approach, don't want the band-aid approaches that the president walks in -- five months or four months before an election. >> what you're saying to me, what mitt romney's answer, i will put in place a long-term

solution, right, kind of a vague, you have to admit that is very vague on this front. a long-term solution that replace and supersedes the president's temporary measure. that that is a better answer than what the president has done which is temporary but now put into effect. that's what you're arguing. >> when you talk about the vagueries of governor romney's talk, he has put down several pillars which are going to form the basis for a foundational approach to have a comprehensive solution. >> he said i will veet to the dm act. >> the other thing is people across the country are very concerned about is going to be getting this economy going because we don't have jobs for people. none of this will matter much anyway. people pretty much realize that governor romney will have a plan to do that. >> i have everybody yelling in my ear, we have to go. randy forbes, we would love to come back and continue this conversation xgt i appreciate

having you. >> we'll be talking about it for a long time. >> it is and you know we will. still ahead on "starting point", looks like the decision turned out to be a good one. we're going to talk about the miami heat win. if you're addicted to twitter a. as i am a little bit, the get real will get you talking. it's viewer request friday today. this is from barbara hamilton's choice via facebook, good choice. you're watching "starting point." we have to take a break.

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the heat crushed the oklahoma city thunder to win the nba finals in five games. lebron james with time still on the clock kind of unable to control his emotions last night as he jumped on the court and

hugged his opponent, kevin durant. he earned another honor, mvp after he was also voted mvp of the regular season. mark green berg and marcellus wiley. i'm a heat fan and big lebron james fan too. why do you think at the end they were able to win? >> it's the corps nation of king james, that is the story of the finals and as far as why they are able to do it differently, lebron james looked like a different person. he said he learned a lot from the experience and pain from falling short last year. there was a lack of aggressiveness about him a year ago that he seems to have found now. >> lebron james showing pure joy for the game and going out there with a different mindset and feeling comfortable with himself. he went out there this year and let his desire manifest. you saw the result.

>> he talked about an i am maturity, he said to nbc sports, last year i played to prove people wrong instead of playing my game and going out and having fun and playing a game that i grew up loving. i thought that was true. it looked like it was much more into it and into the whole thing this year. >> i think what happened was lebron james is someone who had been beloved his entire life. in the wake of quote/unquote the decision two years ago, he took on an unpopular role, the ultimate sports vil in. i think somebody in the recesses of his soul, he came to terms with the fact, i can't change that. i'm going to go out and play my game. >> just to have that ability to go out there and self-correct, not just your game but you, your personality, your mind set, you've got to give this guy respect for what he was able to do. now you saw him go out there and continue with that development

and it resulted in him finally getting the monkey off his back and winning championship. >> as you know, he didn't just say he was going to win, two or tleel or four or five. he said seven. do you think that great game mvp means that people will forgive him and the whole decision thing will be past him? >> you know, i think there are some people who will never forgive him. i don't think he'll ever be especially popular in the city of cleveland again. if you look at quhaz out there on twitter, there will be always people to want to tear him down because they don't like the way he handle d everything and the team came together. whether you respect him or not is irrelevant. you cannot help respect the game. >> exactly. most people will forgive but some people won't forget the decision. that's okay, you can cross another one off the list in the sense of lebron james saying look at my resume. i have a three time nba mvp and also a champion.

those critics start to silent. >> i've got to tell you, i'm doing my victory p around the newsroom today. mike and marcellus, joining me from mike and mike in the morning. nice to see you, thanks. let's talk about the game, shall we? will cain, are you leaving the set? >> i'm a man of my world first of all. >> i thought he might be leaving. >> what was it five? >> it was one. i'm very cheap, only bet a dollar at a time. >> six more coming to you. >> i know, yes. >> should lebron keep his promise to win seven titles. >> it's the will cain dollar. >> should have to sign. >> will was wrong. there was a first time for everything. >> how about yet again, will was wrong, is that what you mean? we're going to talk about this with our team this morning. will and margaret and ryan -- i

almost called you liz at first. let's talk about twitter. oh, my god. >> there's nowhere to go -- >> talk about it on the other side of the break, twitter crashed for hours, the worst part you couldn't tweet about how you were not being able to tweet. it's our get real this morning. >> nobody is going to read that. >> this comes from twitter, a song request courtesy of administer aware, the climb by milely cyrus. we don't get a lot of miley cyrus requests on the show. [ shapiro ] at legalzoom, you can take care of virtually

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welcome back, i'm christine romans, two of the central characteristics in the news of the world hacking scandal in court this morning. former chief executive re-bekah brooks and her husband charlie appearing for a preliminary hearing. accused of removing boxing of materials from the news international archive and trying to conceal evidence from scotland yard investigators. day two of deliberations about to start in two hours. a bombshell yesterday when sandusky's 33-year-old adopted son matt claimed he had been abused by sandusky. and was willing to testify about it in court. why did matt sandusky wait until now to make these allegations? we'll talk about that next in the next half when we're joined by noted friends and psychiatrist dr. michael welner. the coast guard now searching the waters off south florida for guma ago lar, the

coast guard says the boat's engine and lights were still on. we'll speak to his mother here on "starting point." a real mystery in south florida. >> i'm looking forward to that interview, lots of questions about that. thanks, christine. let's introduce you to our team, margaret hoover is with us, we had a chance to spend time out of work. >> you did? >> we went to a reception. >> it was a reception honoring soledad's foundation. >> both drinking wine in the afternoon which makes for a rocky show. >> and washington correspondent for the new yorker -- almost called you liz o ryan. >> will cain had to hand over a dollar today because of a bet. >> careful now, you might have

to answer questions. we have high unemployment numbers and people losing homes. there is one bright spot in the world though. twitter is back, thank god. just before noon yesterday the microblogging site crashed. it was so bad they never even put up the fail whale you get. twitter returned less than an hour later and crashed again around 3:00 in the afternoon. the pr account tweeted that the issue was caused by a cascading bug, whatever that means. >> that's my new excuse for anything, cascading bug. >> i didn't feel that piece, the cascading bug ate it. >> a hacker claimed they had taken it down for three years but whatever -- >> it seems like the hackers were jumping on it. >> like a terrorist organization that jumps on some event without actually having anything to do with it. >> on a scale from one to ten, how much did this affect your life? >> some days it would be huge.

i lost contact for a few hours, so low, a serious problem for twitter, they are trying to make money and they have a reputation for being unreliable and they were starting to overcome that and boom, you go out for a couple of hours. >> it's the first time since october that they've been down like this. no big deal for twitter. >> still haven't fixed the unfollow bus, know about that? >> cascading bug. >> i'm wearing a twitter color this morning, twitter blue. >> still ahead on "starting point" we're going to hear more about the breaking news, george zimmerman's own words as he created some inconsistencies in his story. we'll examine that. seven months after the jerry sandusky's story breaks, his adopted son is coming forward saying he too was abused. the timing is a little interesting. we'll talk about all of that after the break. people with a machine.

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welcome back, coming up on starting point, a bombshell after testimony ends in the jerry sandusky trial. his adopted son says he was one of the victims of the accused child molester. we'll talk to dr. welner this morning. a millionaire has gone missing. what happened to him? we'll talk to his mother live this morning. first let's get an update with christine romans. >> good morning, again, whether george zimmerman goes to prison or free could come down to the tapes. newly released video giving sanford police his version of what happened just before he shot and killed trayvon martin. some are questioning whether his story is consistent, compare a clip where zimmerman explains why he got out of his car that night to what was recorded on the 911 call. >> asked me where he went, what

direction he went in. i said i don't know. then i thought to get out and look for a street sign. i got out of my car and started walking -- >> all right, he's running. he's running. >> which way is he running? >> down towards the other entrance of the neighborhood. >> which entrance is that he's heading towards? >> the back entrance. >> are you following him? >> yeah. >> okay, we don't need you to do that. >> okay. >> a martin family attorney says those two clips tell different stories about why he got out of his car and how he came in contact with martin. >> that's not a small inconsistency, that's a huge one. our whole position has been this case is not a stand your ground case because george zimmerman pursued trayvon martin. the fact that that is not what he wrote in his statement that he pursued and ran after him when we know about his own words that's what happened, you know,

what else can we believe in his statement, if from the very beginning there's a lie. >> the reenactment video was shot the day after he was killed. in it he says he jumped out from the bushes and attacked him. you could see bandages on the back of his head. mount rainier is closed after a park ranger fell 4,000 feet to his death. he was trying to rescue four stranded climbers. nick hall was preparing other climbers to be evacuated thursday afternoon when he fell while standing in an elevation of 13,700 feet. a search team reached his body several hours later. south florida will get a soaking next week. there's a storm system brewing in the gulf of mexico. forecasters say there's a 70% chance it could result in a tropical depression or tropical storm possibly by tonight. if it does, the storm or depression will be named debbie. >> thank you, christine.

explosive accusations to tell you about in the jerry sandusky case as the jury deliberates his child sex abuse trial. his own adopted son, matt, now says he was also sexually abused by his father and was willing to testify against him. until now matt has been one of sandusky's strongest supporters during the investigation. and the trial. and he denied he was abused. jerry sandusky, of course is accused of abusing ten young boys over 15 years. the jury currently sequestered won't hear about the new accusations. brings us to dr. michael welner, one of the leading forensic psychiatrists in the country. the timing on this matt sandusky allegations if you will, accusations is strange i think. what do you think? >> victims go through a complex mix of how open they should be, why they didn't report it another time, why they allowed themselves to be victimized, whether they deserved it.

i think unless we've gone through the experience of what it is to be sexually exploited, then we can't understand the pool in both directions, now throw in incest and the idea we spoke about last time i was here. how sandusky was manipulating victims by sending them letters. can you imagine you're the father figure and you're the son and the powerful pool of family loyalty and other others will react and your own role, your own guilt imploding the family. i think we can question, but humanity has a bigger problem of giving ear to victims and especially incest victims and that's why it's so under reported in contemporary society. >> was this well placed in terms of the jury? i mean this will have no effect on the jury's deliberations because they can't hear testimony.

was it well strategically placed at a time when the jury started deliberations? >> i don't know we can necessarily think of emotions as strategic. i would consider how close he was to all of the testimony that was unfolding at trial -- >> he sat through the entire thing -- >> sat with the sandusky family. >> what must it have been like for him to sit with this and have it brew in him and have him look at victims and contemplate what must it have been like for them to come forward then look at himself in the mirror and say, not only was he silent but in some ways he was the accessory to abuse that everybody was accusing others of being so long. by saying nothing is happening here, i was treated well and he was loving. he had to come to grips, if in fact he was being overly protective of somebody he has loving feelings for for his being part of the problem. so i think in terms of strategic effects, when it comes to the

turbulent emotions of victimization, all bets are off about strategic significance. and what we need to do is just listen and then let it sort itself out later and be cautious and have the process go through. for all of the victims, not just the son, but all of the victims, had that journey of do i speak, do i expose myself. do i stay silent? for incest victims, it's that much more difficult. >> i was surprised i went to the attorneys who are going to be handling the civil suit and not the prosecutors that they are sort of on either side of that. i fully understand you can never predict how somebody who has -- if they have been victimized -- >> dit may be the mechanics, th prosecutors may say i'll be here for you before the trial. when they are on trial, they may not have been accessible to him at the time when he had intense

emotional needs. >> matt sandusky was adopted when he was 11 and troubled youth who came through the second mile charity. it seems to be an odd twist. >> and his birth mother was the one who originally had red flags about jerry sandusky but did she have an axe to grind? it's an interesting turn in this case. >> on both fronts with the adoption. you may be adopted but he's your dad. and then on the other front, if we look at second mile, as this vehicle and that was your question last time, this vehicle for setting up exploitation because you're the maternal loving influence, what better institution than the institution of adoption, which is tragic because then people doubt adoption and there are so many virt uous people who know how to treat children and full of love and therefore they have to be defensive. >> it's an interesting alleged -- >> alleged --

>> you wonder -- >> you wait to see what the jury says when they come back. straight ahead, we're going to talk about this grandmother being bullied by a bunch of middle schoolers. now she's got the showering of support that's pretty amazing and also threats too though. we'll tell you what happened there. this millionaire has gone missing, his empty yacht has washed ashore. what exactly happened to him. we'll talk to a family member live. you're watching "starting point." [ male announcer ] this is genco services -- mcallen, texas. in here, heavy rental equipment in the middle of nowhere,

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who is this? kristin palmer. it's all request friday. gospel people, come on. we've been showing video of a grandmother horribly bullied on the school bus by this middle school kids. it seems there is one bright spot in all of it. people around the world have donated what's nearly half a million dollars to send karen klein, her name, on vacation. you probably have seen the tape. we'll roll a little bit right here. >> you're a troll. you're a troll. >> how about if i bring my knife to [ bleep ] cut you and my knife would go through you like butter because it is all lard. >> it was terrible. last night she was on anderson's show, southwest airlines

donating hotel and airfare to send her and nine people to disneyland. the half million dollars didn't have to pay for that. the bullying tape is inciting vigilantes, the four kids are now getting death threats. >> this is a story to make lemonade out of lemons but you hope there's disciplinary actions. >> the school says there will be. >> one of her grandchildren received over a thousand texts and death threats on his phone. police have custody of the telephone. so the bully -- the cycle of bullying has to stop. the money coming in is great and she'll have a fantastic vacation. >> my point yesterday was these kids were following a group mentality, a pack mentality that makes it easy to jump on. what about the kind of pack response when the kids receiving death threats now? kind of need to check ourselves at some point right. >> there's a gut reaction when

you see something like this. even the kids engaged in the bullying, when they watched it later they told reporters they were shocked and can't believe they did that and had a sense of regret. it reminds you of the psychological experiments how far people go and especially teenagers, middle school. >> bullying the bullies is not the solution to stop bullying. >> 2 million views of youtube video and half million dollars that means a quarter from everyone who watched. >> i love that. awesome. a search is on for this multimillionaire, his yacht washed up onshore. we're going to talk to his mother. his name is guma aguiar. you're watching "starting point." you're back in a moment. ♪

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welcome back to "starting point." i'm christine romans with a quick look at what's making news this hour. a south carolina mom who contracted a rare flesh eating bacterial infection has been upgraded to good condition. 36-year-old lana kirkendahl has undergone about 20 surgeries since may 11, four days after giving birth to her twins. but unlike aimee copeland of georgia battling the same condition, no amputations have been necessary. wikileaks founder julian assange finds out today whether ecuador will grant him asylum. but british police say he will be arrested regardless of the decision. he is trying to avoid extradition to sweden for questioning over allegations of sexual abuse. those full body scans at airports have generated plenty

controversy but haven't caught any terrorists. the tsa admits the scans have not resulted in the detention of any terror suspects. but says their presence is keeping terrorists away from u.s. airports, soledad. >> well, i guess that's good to know. thanks. so there is this mystery surrounding the disappearance of a florida multimillionaire. he is a natural gas tycoon. his name is guma aguiar. and he was discovered missing early on wednesday morning when his yacht washed ashore in ft. lauderdale but he wasn't onboard. the yacht was found with lights on and both outboard engines running. aguiar was last seen on tuesday night, and authorities aren't ruling out any possibilities in his disappearance. this is a guy who's had multiple run- run-ins with the law and was committed to a psychiatric hospital in 2010. talking to us this morning is ellen aguiar, his mother. thank you for being with us. i know that the coast guard has called off the search last night. so at this point, what do you realistically think has happened to your son?

>> you know, we still hope that someone found him. we hope that by some miracle that guma is still alive. the other option is that because of the problems with his boat and the tumultuous sea that he was tossed from the boat. >> which would mean that if he was tossed from the boat in a storm that he could be -- >> that he would have drowned. >> he could have crodrowned. he went sailing when the seas were very choppy. is that unusual for him? some people were surprised he'd take a boat out at that time of night and in that kind of weather. >> you know, i'm not altogether familiar with his habits in the evening. i wouldn't anticipate that on a normal evening he would go out in a storm. i would think that when he went out, that the seas were still

calm before the storm. and he got stuck in the storm. >> i mentioned as we were coming to start our interview about some of the troubles that he's had in the past that you know of, i know. with law enforcement. some of the troubles that he's had psychologically. he was committed to a mental hospital in 2010. how did he seem to you of late? did he seem like he was stable and healthy? or was he struggling? >> he was struggling. he was under tremendous pressures that would not cease. and those of us who were very concerned reached out to parties essentially begging them to mitigate him from some of the pressures. and allow him to take a break. and really to be able to heal from a lot of the trauma that he has been through, not just --

largely through the time that he did spend in hospitals. you know, ironically, we think of injustice and poor treatment for the poor. but my experience is now is that the super rich have so many people vying for money and favors that they are not able to be taken care of properly. >> wow, that's interesting that you're saying that. i know he's worth something like $100 million. and you have asked to have temporary guardianship of his money. has that been granted to you? do you think it will be at this point? >> it's pending. it's pending. >> all right. well, thank you. >> and that's because -- >> go ahead. i'm sorry. >> i have photographs. >> of? >> of guma. >> oh, ok. and we've been showing pictures of him all morning. i know you want to make sure that people know what he looks like in case certainly hopefully that somehow he's been found and rescued and he's alive and just

is disoriented. so we will show pictures of him as we've been doing during our interview so people understand and know what he looks like in the hopes that he is -- that he has survived this boating accident. ellen aguiar, thank you for talking with us this morning. we wish you the very best and i hope that they'll resume that search again. >> thank you. we have to take a break. ahead this morning, we'll talk a little bit about what could be a double dip recession. news at home and news abroad kind of pointing in that direction. we'll talk finance straight ahead. president obama speaking to 12 million potential voters who are latino today. we'll talk to the head of the dnc about the president's efforts to win them over in this election. and here's something to think about. president charlie sheen. [ laughter ] >> no worries. breathe, margaret, breathe. it's only in the movies. here is a request from twitter user, the country is in the very best of hands from the

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victory. president obama speaking to an estimated 12 million latino voters today. a speech to the same group that mitt romney tried to win over yesterday. and it's the coronation. king james steam rolls his way to a first nba title, and puts his haters, will cain, out of business. >> one for soledad. >> i win one. >> packed hour ahead. >> 10 more will. >> i need documentation of that. >> ok, hater. whatever. packed hour ahead this morning. sara ganum will join us. we'll talk to debbie wasserman schultz. and candy crowley will join us. that's a lineup of some serious women. it's friday, june 22, and "starting point" begins right now. ♪ i know a place ♪ ain't nobody crying >> wow, excellent. >> see, i asked for gospel. i get gospel. thank you. that would be "i'll take you

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goldman sachs, jp morgan chase, and the feds' negative outlook on the economy and europe's ongoing debt crisis are the focus there. the economy of course the number one issue for voters. and also the number one issue for president obama. so how could the latest financial problems affect re-election for him? let's get right to congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz, the chair of the national democratic committee. nice to see you. >> you too. >> you got a lot of bad news you have to deal with. how will this affect the election, do you think? >> well, we are focused as president obama has been since the start of his term on making sure that we can continue to push forward on bringing the economy moving forward stronger, creating jobs, and getting things turned around. and it's all the more reason why the republicans that i work with in the house of representatives and in the senate need to come to the table and work with president obama to make job creation a priority. i mean, this has been quite frankly close to if not the most

do nothing of do nothingest congresses. the time that we are spending out of session rather than in session focusing on job creation has just been appalling. and what we need to do is focus on president obama's to do list for congress, which includes passing legislation that would make the critical investments that we need to make to create jobs and get things moving forward even more strongly. >> let's do a big hypothetical. let's say, ok, that is done. let's say by some miracle, which is a big giant if, as you well know, everybody comes together and they pass the jobs act. you're talking about 1 million jobs in a sea of 26 million jobs that people -- or people that are unemployed. isn't that ultimately really a drop in the bucket? that can't be the only thing to look forward to. >> well, of course. no, no, of course not. the president's to do list includes the making those critical investments so we can create more jobs. making sure that we work together on a tax policy that strikes a balance on deficit reduction.

and insures that when it comes to focusing on the middle class and working families that we insure that small businesses and the middle class get the tax breaks that they need, while not cutting our way to deficit reduction, and really draining the economy of the resources that it needs for progress, because we know that there's a fragile recovery underway. and every expert has said you can't cut your way to deficit reduction. if you pull out too much, too fast, you'll really have a problem. so we need to make sure that the people who are already doing fabulously well in this country pay a little bit more. that everybody has a fair shot. everybody pays their fair share. and everybody plays by the same set of rules. those are the goals that we need to work together on. and unfortunately, the republicans in congress and mitt romney continue to demonstrate that they are rooting for failure. as evidenced, soledad, by the romney campaign telling my

state's governor that they should tone down the progress and the celebration about the progress that our state's made. because that's not in line with what the romney campaign wants to telegraph about the president's record on job creation. >> let me stop you there just to bring people up to speed. you're talking about the state of florida. and as i know you know, the romney campaign has denied they have done that, although it is a report in bloomberg. >> of course they have denied it. >> so let's turn for a minute and talk a little bit about mitt romney and what he has done saying about immigration. he spoke in front of the organization of latino leaders. what did you make of his comments? >> well, not very much. it was -- as you said earlier this morning, when you interviewed my colleague randy forbes, mitt romney was about as vague as he could be. there was no specific proposal. no clear path so that the 12 million undocumented immigrants in this country would know under a romney presidency what their future would hold.

you know, the only thing that he has done is tell them that he keeps his promises. well, if we look at mitt romney's promises, he just recently -- i mean, he's hoping that the american people don't have a very long memory. but during the primary, he said during the debates and on the stump that he would have vetoed the dream act. this is a candidate that has the most extreme policy on immigration of any presidential candidate in recent memory. he has embraced the arizona style immigration laws and has those leaders who wrote those laws as his campaign advisers on immigration. so we should believe him. when he says that he would veto the dream act, we should believe him. we should believe him on the specifics he has given us which are all extreme, and which would really mean a terrible future for those who are in this country through no fault of their own, like the young people that president obama gave a path to remain in this country and either serve in our military or

attend college or make sure that they can continue the only dream they've ever lived, which is the american dream. >> mitt romney has said that he'll be fleshing out more of a response. i guess we'll be watching for that. >> waiting with baited breath. >> i certainly am, i know. she is the chairman of the democratic national committee. thank you for talking to us. >> thanks, soledad. christine has an update on the top stories for us. >> two years after leaving cleveland, the king has his crown. lebron james and the miami heat are the champions of the nba. james leading the way with 26 points, 13 assists, and 11 rebounds, capturing his first title along with series mvp honors. two big weather stories this morning. a big storm brewing in the gulf of mexico, and the northeast still sweltering. temperatures will climb into the 90s again today for the third day in a row. meteorologist alexandra steele

is joining us live on these two stories. >> well, in terms of the heat, the worst is over. kind of the pinnacle, yesterday, 100 degrees in baltimore. all of these records, 99 in washington. 98 in new york city. but what we're going to see today is the transitional day. certainly not as hot as yesterday. a cold front moving through. you can see already dropping temperatures in the 70s and 80s behind it. today along the 95 corridor, just around 80, 90, 91 degrees or so. but then we're only going to cool off further. saturday, temperatures in the 70s. and then places like albany, new york that, had 94 yesterday, get down to 70 on tuesday. so temperatures certainly cooling down. what's not cooling down, what's heating up, what's happening in the gulf of mexico. what we're watching here is an area of low pressure. kind of getting its act together now. it's going to take a couple of days. but becoming more well defined. national hurricane center and have about a 70% chance this could become a tropical cyclone, and we'll watch this. if it is named, it gets named debbie.

you can see the forecast models. there's no serious consensous what will happen. so anything in play all the way from texas to the florida coast. we'll know a little more throughout the day. >> thanks, alexandra. historic flooding in northeastern minnesota. this morning, the multimillion dollar cleanup will begin. a coast guard helicopter had to pull a couple to safety thursday in thompson, minnesota. the two were left stranded by flooding caused by the overflowing thompson reservoir. the floodwaters have decimated that neighborhood. believe it or not, charlie sheen is going to be president of the united states. only in the movies, of course. director robert rodriguez announced he'll cast sheen as commander in chief in his upcoming film "machete kills." the sequel to his 2010 movie "machete." his father, of course, famously played the president in nbc's "the west wing." still ahead this morning, a bombshell from jerry sandusky's son that the jury did not hear.

why did he not testify? we'll talk this morning to sarah ganum. she'll update us on what's happening in the trial. and today's tough call, teachers entitled to jobs that no longer exist. a ruling on the decision to fire thousands of teachers after hurricane katrina flooded new orleans. and we'll leave you with lady antebellum. another first, i believe. this is "hello, world," coming to us from lisa despotzito. i wonder if she's the same lease a went to high school with. if it is, hi, lisa! that's from facebook. make your point make a memory make a masterpiece. read something watch something and learn something.

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to tell you about in the jerry sandusky case. sandusky's own adopted son, matt, now says that he too was sexually abused by his father and that he was willing to testify in the sexual abuse trial. the jury, though, is currently sequestered and will not hear these new allegations. matt sandusky is now 33 years old. he went to live with the sanduskys as a foster child when he was 11. and until now, he's denied that he was ever abused and even supported his father initially. jerry sandusky of course is accused of abusing 10 boys over 15 years. sara ganum the pulitzer prize for her coverage of the sandusky case. are there questions about matt's timing of this? we know the jury won't hear the points that he is raising. >> that's right. and it's interesting, because just 10 days before he came forward, and made these allegations publicly, the trial started, and he was sitting in

the section of the courtroom reserved for jerry sandusky's friends and family. he was sitting among other adopted children of jerry and dottie sandusky with dottie sandusky who is jerry's wife, and he was even mentioned in opening arguments by the defense attorney as being a potential witness who could testify on jerry's behalf. he was sequestered as a potential witness, but came back into the courtroom right after opening arguments and sat through the testimony of accuser number four, who was the first to testify, who actually mentioned matt sandusky as having been in a shower situation with him and with jerry sandusky when victim four says he was molested at one point. and he said matt sandusky left when it began. he was asked what matt sandusky looked like, and he answered that he looked nervous. i never after that point saw matt sandusky in the courtroom again. i did think it was a little strac strange at the time, but we

never saw anything and didn't hear anything until 10 days later when the jury went in to deliberate. >> you also have a chance to speak to matt's birth mother. and a lot of what she said originally at the time when he was 11 years old and becoming a foster child raised some red flags at that time as well about jerry sandusky. right? >> right. it's interesting. his biological mom is actually the first person on record in 1996 to make allegations, to bring something up against jerry sandusky. she did it in the courthouse right behind me where this trial has been going on for the last two weeks. she said, you know, i see strange behavior. something is not right. my child's behavior has changed. jerry sandusky appears to be talking him. -- stalking him. she said she asked her son what was going on. he said nothing more than i don't want to talk about it. there was one time he ran away from the sandusky home in the middle of the night. but matt denied all of that and continued to live at the sandusky home. he was even adopted as an adult. of his own choice to have an

adult adoption to change his last name to sandusky. and for years, you know, even after his mom testified before the grand jury in 2011, he continued to deny that anything ever happened. >> let me turn to our team for a moment. you know, it's interesting as this is going to clearly head to a civil trial, and a civil trial means they'll be looking to get money probably, victims from penn state and certainly from jerry sandusky himself. i think some people sometimes raise the issue of timing for that as well. >> yeah. >> well, i mean, i'd be very curious to hear, to the extent our former guest actually asked, implied that matt sandusky was in his own way a bit of an enabler. do you see that? >> you know, it's hard to tell. i have seen -- i have heard from others who have been around the sandusky home. for example, the attorney for the person who's being called victim number 11, that these

kids were separated. they were in the home around the same time, but they really doesn didn't have a whole lot of interaction about each other. the thing about matt sandusky's accusations as presented yesterday, there were no dates. there wasn't a lot of detail. no show of how extreme or how little this abuse that he alleges might have been. we saw a whole range of abuse during the trial alleged. and we don't know where he falls into that spectrum. and we don't know where he falls in the spectrum of time. i think there's still a lot of questions. we haven't heard anything from matt sandusky. only from his attorney. >> lots of questions. sara ganimthere in the forfront. we appreciate it. her reporting has been stellar on this. still ahead, thousands of teachers fired after a hurricane washed away the city in hurricane katrina. but a judge says the school went about it all wrong. don't forget you can watch

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d welcome back to "starting point." markets are down worldwide this morning after the rating agency moody's downgraded 15 of the world's largest banks. u.s. stock futures, though, are up a little bit pointing to a bounce at the open. not a big surprise since stocks had such a brutal day yesterday. the dow fell 250 points yesterday. new data shows the recession hit minorities much harder than white americans. white americans now have 22 times more wealth than black americans, and 15 times more wealth than hispanic americans. look at these numbers. this is median household net worth in 2010 according to the census bureau analyzed by cnn money. whites have $110,000. hispanics, $7,000. blacks, only $5,000. median household net worth for black, hispanic, and asian americans fell by about 60% from 2005 to 2010. white house holds saw only a 23%

drop. the housing crash has a lot to do with that. and a new low for mortgage rates. a 30-year fixed rate now stands at an average of 3.66%. with the drop we have seen in mortgage rates over the past year, you can save about $48 a month for every $100,000 borrowed. and also because of the talk of the weakening global economy, gas prices are going down. there are even calls for gas prices to go below $3 by the fall. >> interesting. but never going to offset those terrible numbers you just showed about black and hispanic wealth compared to white wealth. that's horrific. it really is. let's turn to today's tough call. a judge has now ruled that when louisiana fired thousands of its teachers right after hurricane katrina, that was illegal. after the hurricane, you might remember it shut down the new orleans school system. 7500 school employees were fired, and now a judge is awarding more than $1 million to seven people who sued the orleans perish school board and the state for wrongful termination. back in december of 2005 --

remember, headache hit in august of 2005 -- the local school board fired the teachers. the judge decided you had to show cause before you can fire tenured teachers. they were also supposed to create a recall list, so if you were laid off you would be the first to fill any vacancy. but most of the schools that reopened were charter schools filled by outsiders. in fact, new orleans today, i think it's 80% of the schools are charter schools there. >> and it's been tout saided asg success. >> the schools ceased to exist. your employment contracts can't be so inflexible that when your -- >> it's not a contract. it's a state law. >> it has to be accommodated with the fact that these lno longer existed. >> but they took the opportunity to get rid of a lot of those teachers. this was a chance to say, we have a failing school district already. no schools.

if we fire everybody, we clean them out. and we can use as a very real excuse the fact that katrina has damaged all these schools. but if you did it the right way and had a recall list et cetera, some of the teachers would have been brought back in. >> they made up a status for these employees. they called it disaster leave without pay, which the judge found was fictional as she pointed out. there was no status. >> but in a calamity of this sort of proportion of which there was absolutely no template, it's hard to say they should have followed standard practices for firing. >> it's just the opposite. when you have a calamity or a crisis like that, that's exactly the time when the law needs to be followed. >> the police officers in new orleans flood the city. there were no enforcement officers of any kind in new orleans. so to say they should have fired the teachers -- >> but that's not true. >> 55,000 students also fled the city. the entire system evacuated. >> but we're not talking about -- there was no school two days after katrina or five days. we're talking about -- >> or two months. >> but in the months and years

after katrina, there was an opportunity that was taken. and that opportunity was we can get rid of a lot of teachers and leverage the disaster to do what we want to do. now some of those teachers no doubt should have been fired, and there was no way to pay for many of those people. but -- >> it's worth noting that the new orleans school district was bankrupt before the election. the superintendent of the schools had been convicted of bribes. >> you guys are the ones who always argue the law. not me. >> the fbi had been investigating the superintendent. this was one of the worst school systems in the country and now is one of the best in the country. >> oh, i don't know. >> absolutely. it's one of the top 10 school districts in the country. >> but that's a whole different issue. >> this is not about the kids. >> this is about the law actually. i think it's about the law. >> it's the example of contracts with employees that they cannot accommodate a calamity.

>> that's a whole different issue. maybe the contracts should be different. but when you have illegally fired people, those people go to court, and get redress, and the judge wrote this long opinion very clear on the law. and they were wrong to fire them. i don't see why this is a tough call at all. >> obviously it was, because we got a good debate going this morning. still ahead, can women have it all? i can answer that. no, they cannot. a new magazine article has everybody talking about it. the author is female and she says, no, women cannot rule the boardroom and the nursery as well. also, president obama making his pitch to latino voters today. he'll speak before a big convention of latino leaders. mitt romney was there yesterday. we'll talk about both sides with cnn's political expert, candy crowley. and you'll never guess how much money has been raised for this woman right here, the 68-year-old school bus monitor bullied by a bunch of kids.

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us bank. welcome back, everybody. two major issues are affecting president obama's campaign today. this afternoon he'll make his first address to latino voters since he announced his administration's new deportation policy. he'll be speaking at the national association of latino elected and appointed officials which is taking point in orlando. the economy is the number one issue. and moody's has just downgraded 15 world banks, including five in the united states. right now u.s. stock futures are looking up, but world marks closed down, and europe's debt crisis already had investors on edge. all of that brings us to candy

crowley, cnn's chief political correspondent. the host of "state of the union." let's start with the moody's downgrade. because if the economy is what everybody picks first as the most important issue, this is big, big problems obviously for the president. >> it is problems. and not because everyone totally understands what this all means. but when you hear that five of the six biggest banks, at least in terms of assets in the u.s., have been downgraded, you know immediately that is not good news. it brings back some pretty painful memories of when the economy first started to go down. you already have all of this talk about recession. it does not help the case that things have gotten better. so i think it adds to the general unease, and if the unease is about the economy, the person that it seems to hurt the most just in terms of politically and the elections is president obama. >> certainly a lot of conversation about immigration too, right? because if you're talking to nalayo, immigration is sort of

the subtext. here's what mitt romney said in his address yesterday. >> i want you to also know this. i will prioritize efforts to strengthen legal immigration and make it more transparent and easier. and i'm going to address the problem of illegal immigration in a civil and resolute manner. >> interesting to see that he really has not articulated very clearly what he's going to do about that category of illegal immigrants, the dream act kids. and i thought again he didn't do it again at naleo yesterday. >> he didn't. he talked about replacing it, superceding what the president has done in terms of young paperless illegals that are in the country right now. but he didn't right out say i'll keep it in place until i get something different. so he used some buzz words. but here i think is the context that you sort of look at mitt romney's speech yesterday. and that is not just in the context of the latino vote, which clearly they have to reach

out to. they are not going to win the latino vote. the numbers are overwhelmingly in favor of president obama even before he made this decision about young illegals. so it's not as though anyone expects suddenly mitt romney is going to win that vote. but he has to win enough of the vote to kind of take the edge off of it and try to make it up elsewhere. and it's also important to swing voters. what swing voters don't like are the hard edges of either party. and when you see a candidate who is willing to go before a group that is largely democratic, which naleo is. it's bipartisan. but it's elected officials and the majority of elected hispanic officials are democratic. so when you go before that group, when you go before the naacp as mitt romney intends to do, then what you do is sort of take away that kind of, we won't talk to anybody, it's our way or the highway sort of thing that swing voters, middle of the road voters don't like to see. so it helps him in a couple of ways. >> it makes me wonder, let's see two obvious points. the republicans can't concede

the latino vote for now and into the foreseeable future. and mitt romney for all intents and purposes have won the republican nomination. there are some formalities still we have to go through. but why doesn't mitt romney embrace the dream act, a long-term solution, a democratic solution, and package that with tight border security and essentially outflank president obama? >> flip flop. that's why. >> exactly. >> you can live with flip flops. >> no, you cannot. >> what candy is saying is important. she says what independent voters don't like are the hard edges. what you saw mitt romney doing yesterday is significantly shifting the tone with which he is speaking about these issues. >> i think tone is not enough, margaret. >> tone is a really important first step, will. and it's certainly a way to get into opening up that conversation in a general election. but he hasn't even gotten the nomination. he can't outflank president obama on the left. >> oh, please. yes, he could. come on. >> really? >> is there some rule? there's no detail in these speeches. >> no, nothing.

>> if you listen to the comments the other day, it's gibberish. >> well, obama comes out with this policy a week ago, completely catches the romney campaign offguard. and they have to decide, we're going before naleo. do we come up with a specific new immigration policy or just attack the policy? >> some thought they would, and they did not. >> their view is stay away from specifics because the more specific you get, you more open to attack you are. you want to make this election about obama, not you. >> candy, what do you have coming up this weekend? >> most candidates wait until the fall to put out a detailed plan. summer, bad time to do it. people aren't paying that close of attention. we have ed-gillespie, strategist for the romney campaign coming up. also an important decision coming up that has to do with arizona and immigration. >> that's on "state of the union." always great to see you. have a great weekend. good morning, soledad. a bloody siege at a kabul hotel is over right now. taliban militants stormed this building and opened fire last night sparking an overnight gun

battle with afghan and nato troops. three security guards, a police officer, two of the attackers are dead this morning. that's according to the afghan interior ministry. the death toll could climb higher. new video of george zimmerman the day after the killing of trayvon martin telling police his version of what happened. some say his stories don't match up. compare a clip of zimmerman explaining why he got out of his car that night to what's recorded on the 911 call. >> begin to ask me where he went, what direction he went in, and i said i don't know. and then i thought to get out and look for a street sign. >> right. >> so i got out of my car and i started walking. >> [ bleep ] he's running. >> which way is he running? >> down towards the other entry to the neighborhood. >> ok. which entrance is that that he's heading towards? >> the back entrance. >> are you following him? >> yeah. >> ok. we don't need you to do that. >> ok. >> martin family attorney says zimmerman's story doesn't match that call.

>> that's not a small inconsistency. that's a huge one. because our whole position has been that this case is not a stand your ground case. because george zimmerman pursued trayvon martin. and the fact that that is not what he wrote in his statement, that he pursued and ran after him, when we know by his own words that's what happened, you know, what else -- what else can we believe in a statement if from the very beginning there's a lie? >> zimmerman told police martin jumped from the bushes and attacked him. the tape shows bandages on his head. we've been showing you video of the school bus monitor horribly bullied and taunted by kids. now one bright spot. karen klein has received nearly half a million dollars in donations to go on vacation. by now, you have probably seen the tape. >> you're a troll. you're a troll. you're a troll. you old troll. >> how about i bring my knife and cut you? if i stabbed you in the

[ bleep ] stomach, my knife would go through you like butter because it's all [ bleep ] lard. >> klein says she can't comprehend all of the support she's received. >> i still can't believe it. i can't believe it. that there's that much. >> southwest airlines reached out to us today. they have been extraordinarily touched by your story. they wanted us to let you know they'd like to send you and nine people to disneyland in california for three nights, airfare, hotel, and car all included. >> you've got to be kidding me. that's awesome. nine people? >> the video sparking even more bullying, though. police say the kids accused of harassing klein are now getting death threats. two years after leaving cleveland, the king has his crown. lebron james and the miami heat champions of the nba dominating the oklahoma city thunder. james leading the way last night

with 26 points, 13 assists, and 11 rebounds. he claimed his first title along with series mvp. >> woo-hoo is all i'll say about that. still ahead on "starting point," can women today have it all? there's a new article that says it's time to stop fooling yourselves, that you can't. we'll debate this one next. and how is a little poison? "something to believe in." >> yes! >> randall sending that to us on facebook. will thanks you. >> i haven't thought about that band in years. ♪ we all need it. to move. to keep warm. to keep us fed. to make clay piggies. but to keep doing these things in the future...

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you may pick the next five. that was good. i like that. all right. the big question, of course, coming to us from the atlantic article written by ann marie slaughter, all about whether or not women can have it all. not in today's economy, she says, at least. she was the first woman director of policy planning for the state department, but she writes that getting her high-powered dream job meant that her family life would suffer. a gala with president obama and the first lady she writes this. i sipped champagne but i could not stop thinking about my 14-year-old son who started eighth grade three weeks earlier and was already skipping homework, disrupting classes, failing math, and tuning out any adult who tried to reach him. she goes on to write that her husband took care of both their sons during the week when she decided to write an op-ed about the struggle really of working moms. a colleague who was in a similar situation basically said, don't do that. don't do it. don't reveal that because women,

younger women, rely on working women with kids to kind of keep up the front that it is doable. and it's not. i agree with her 100%. >> she said she sat on the side of the fence where she thought she was pulling it off, she could have it all and do it all, and she had that condescending attitude towards women who couldn't. but then she realized that her own life she couldn't do it. >> margaret, you're the person she is writing to. >> she is basically challenging me, if i want a career i shouldn't have children. >> you don't have children. >> i can make a choice right now. i can have children or not. >> do you want kids? >> i aspire to have children. i hope to have children someday. >> do you plan it? do you say i'm going to work for three more years and then think about having kids? >> i've never been a big planner. >> what was your reaction to the piece? >> i have heard you can have it all, just not all at once. and it's sort of staging and figuring it out.

but these are choices in our society women have to make in a way that men just don't have to make. and maybe you have the kind of marriage where you do split it evenly, and maybe your husband stays home and the woman works. but every family is different. i think the real triumph of the feminist movement is that women get to choose. but she has a choice to make. she could have chosen to continue to stay at the state department, to have lost her tenure. >> but isn't her argument that it's very hard to do both things well? >> yes. >> and that society really does not put the same -- >> that's life, though. you can't do everything all at once. >> but i would argue that society doesn't put the same pressure on will and ryan to be parents in the way that society when you have kids will put the pressure on you to be the mom. when the kids have issues, they call me. i know i have to make a doctor's appointment in the commercial break because my kid has a weird rash. >> that's a recognition of the difference between you and me. and not just on a personal

level, but men and women. you have a different relationship with your mom than you do your dad. >> maybe. my dad -- their dad could also take them to the doctor. i would just say there's a certain amount of pressure that will come on you that is not on the husband. >> what is your advice? have children or not have children? do you agree with her? >> i think it is very difficult to have it all. i definitely like to think that i keep all of my options open so that if i had to stop working tomorrow for some reason, i would do that because you have to make decisions about your kids first. but it's very, very hard. i cannot tell you the number of times i have been on some breaking story, on a satellite phone at $8 a minute, trying to talk a crying child out of something. and it sucks. it completely sucks. >> one thing that leaped out at me in this piece is i thought maybe my kids, who are 5 and 3, as they get older it gets easier, but it leaped out at me that it gets much harder. >> well, raising teenagers and the emotional stresses they go through. >> there is a political element to this because of the obama

administration. this has bubbled up before, their inability to make life for working women work properly. and i think there's a lot of gender issues in the white house and at the state department. >> everywhere. even the people who are the most pro working mom at some point will say, i need you in the office, not at the play with your kid. you need to make a decision. and we need to go to commercial break. today's "cnn hero" is living the american dream and giving it all up. his amazing story is up next. you're watching "starting point." we're back in a moment. plus get up to $100 on us.30, welcome to hotels.com.

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coming up on monday, we'll talk to mira sorvino, looking forward to chatting with her live in the studio. carol costello has "cnn newsroom" right now. happening right now in the newsroom, a headline, $3 gas. prices are plunging overnight. new outlook this morning that's great news for your wallet. plus this. >> obviously, you don't buy flood insurance here. you don't do it. so i'm kind of emotional because i don't know what to do. >> police in duluth, minnesota, saying it's not safe here. historic flooding wiping out bridges, roads, and lives. one town being described as an island. we'll talk with the mayor of duluth straight ahead. sandusky bombshell. an adopted son of the penn state coach claims he too was molested by his father, and he's offering to testify. will new charges be filed? we're live at the courthouse. plus -- >> oh, my god. you're so fat. >> karen, you're fat. >> southwest airlines reach