400 irregularitieirregularities a critical turning point for the egyptians following the revolution. it is not necessarily the choice they wanted. they have a choice between ahmed shafik or mohamed morsi, the candidate from the muslim brotherhood, and the people who pulled off this election didn't want either to do with the trends. >> and christian -- >> well, go ahead, candy. go ahead. >> well, i wanted to ask you, because the military has been in charge, and i wonder on the streets how much trust there is in the military when this announcement is made as to who won this election, won't we have one side not believing what the result was? >> well, listen, this is is the fear of everybody, and it is a blistering hot and blustery day today and to be frank, it s a l, because you have heated words

and rhetoric coming out of tahrir square. it is about the military, and they are going to have an extended sit-in regardless of the winner, because the military has in effect hijacked the democracy transitioned here into egypt. if you take the fact they dissolved the parliament by most accounts including the u.s. and here in egypt was a pretty free and fair election and it did in fact go heavily towards the islamists and both the muslim brotherhood, and the so there is a reluctance to turn over the power regardless of who wins here. as ben said, half of the country is split between the old guard ahmed shafik, and the muslim brotherhood who many don't want to see in power. there were many others who did not come out to cast a vote, and

a low turnout for what they felt was a difficult choice to make in the instance, but the truth of the matter is what will happen once the election result would be announced, and we expected it to happen here at the top of 3:00 in cairo. and if it is ahmed shafik who is hossni mubarak's former prime minister, and how will that play out, and also the same for the muslim brotherhood, and what will happen with the military regardless of who wins. >> yes, as christiane was saying, it is regardless who wins, the military has legislative powers, and they passed the budget and everything. back to you, candy. >> i want the bring in and i want you all to stand by and --

don't go anywhere. i want to bring in edwin walker and cnn foreign affairs correspondent jill dougherty. and mr. ambassador, first to you sh you, this seems no matter how you look at, a real diplomatic mess for the u.s. no matter who wins. >> yes, i believe we have a p b problem regardless who wins. it is going to be difficult for us to work with the muslim brotherhood, particularly since we have been isolating and ignoring them for the last 30 years. and it is not going to be very helpful to be working with ahmed shafik, because of credibility. regardless of whose name goes up, does either man have the ability to lead the country, and i would say that the answer is no. >> what are the implications for the u.s. policy in the middle east? it is very complex, because to egypt, it is incredible, and fulcrum of being an influential

country in that part of the world, and if it devolves into chaos, it is a very, very see veer repercussions for the united states and a dilemma, too, because morsi is a fun dat allist, and if he wins, it is a problem. and if shafiq win, it undermines the impression that this was an honest election even though, you know, who knows who actually won. so, that is -- either way for the united states, it raises questions. and it raises questions about the money, the funding that the united states gives to the military. >> right. more than $1 billion a year that we have sent to the egyptian military who have grabbed power and been in a huge power grab since the arab spring. >> they have, and what they have done most recently is made it virtually impossible for anybody to lead the country as president, because they have taken his powers away from him.

now, i think that the united states has a huge interest in our military, in our cooperation with the egyptians and remember, there is another election coming up shortly in libya, which could be influenced by this. so, look, the whole area is unstable. >> it is in flux. yes, i want to bring back christiane and ben wedeman who are over there looking over tahrir square, and again, we are waiting for the announcement, and sounds like either way this goes, there will be complications for the u.s. but talk to me about the reaction on the streets. what would we expect if morsi doesn't win? >> certainly, if mohamed morsi wins, these people behind me will be very happy, and it is not expected that they will turn to violence in any way. and the feeling among many people here is that the shafiq supporters are not organized

into a political bloc or a political party, and therefore their reaction will not be violent. there may be a violent reaction somehow on the cairo stock exchange, and the business community is very concerned about the repercussions of a muslim brotherhood president even though at the end of the day, he has very little in the way of power. the army still runs this country. >> i was interviewing mohamed morsi shortly before the election, and i asked him the questions that you have been talking about there with ambassador walker and jill. what will it mean if this pivotal country here is run by the first ever arab islamist head of state to come out of the arab uprisings and i asked specifically, do you see the country more like turkey or iran, and he was cognizant of the fears of the rest of the world about the islamists and the muslim brotherhood. and he tried to really sort of take a quite moderate accommodating line, but clearly

what will happen is that foreign policy in this part of the world will for the first time start to take on the voice of the people. people can no longer ignore the population. so if morsi wins, there will be an element of playing to the the people. i asked him all of the important questions that we all look at in terms of how there are barometers of what the islamists are doing, and there were confrontation, because i am a wom woman, and he said, i understand what you are saying, but we will respect women like all of the citizens in the country, and we will respect christians and all egyptians and it is nonan islamic democracy, but a democracy. >> and thank you christiane am m amanpoure, because she is wearing many hats today as a

correspondent to many people today. ambassador walker, what are your thoughts about this? >> well, morsi has been very much against the peace treaty. well, you cannot tear it up and start over, so for the israelis, it is a huge gamble and they would much prefer to see mr. shafiq win and they don't have anything to say about it, and keep keeping quiet, because anything they say will work against them. >> jill, quickly, because we have 30 seconds left? >> big picture, the arab spring, great hope for democracy. this election regardless of who wins is not a good symbol of this move to democracy, because it undermines it in the eyes of people in the region, and that is bad for everybody. >> not what we thought would happen. and we will stick with this throughout the hour, and as soon

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we are rooking we are looking at live pictures of tahrir square, the site of so much hope last year, and right now so much tension in that square as cairo and the rest of the world await the decision or await the results of a presidential election there. first a democratic pick of a president, but lots and lots of questions of who might have won that election, and there are many ramifications. we of course are sticking with that story, but joining me right now is ed gillespie who is one of mitt romney's senior advisers, and ed, thank you for letting us squeeze you in here. the world never waits no matter what. i want to go to the washington post story that said while your candidate was at bain capital, a firm he started that bain invested in several firms that specialized in exporting

american jobs to low-salary countries like india and china and i understand that sit is th folks that you get outside of the united states that answer customer service questions and so on and how does that sell in the heartland who has been hit by so many loss of jobs? >> well, this is incredibly shoddy journalism, and it was a breathless headline over a baseless story. i hope that you will have the reporter on the show, and ask him who is one of the companies cited in the article who moved jobs overseas while mitt romney was at bain capital that bain capital that invested in, and i don't believe he can cite any. it is factually inaccurate. >> he did not invest -- bain did not invest in any company that shipped jobs overseas? >> when any of the companies in the article which is what we highlighted and went back and reviewed, and we could not find any. i encourage you again to have

the reporter here because he has injected himself into the campaign obviously and he should be subject to the fact-checking that campaign assertions are subject to, and i welcome cn an encourage cnn to produce evidence of a single job of a company cited in the story that mitt romney was, you know, with bain at the time that moved an american job overseas, and i don't believe you will find one. >> since i don't have him here, and i do have you here, what i am getting at is while he was head of bain and forget the story, and while he was head of bain, did bain invest in and advise companies that did ship american jobs overseas and you are saying that no company at bain did that while he was there? >> i am not aware, but what happened in the story as near i can tell is that the reporter confused the notion of outsourcing, and american companies outsourced domestically, and for example the obama for america campaign outsources telemarketing services -- >> yes, to omaha or whatever.

>> and cnn may outsource foreign project projects and the reporter confused outsourcing which happens all of the times when you don't do all of the services in-h in-house, you do that to moving it off shore, and there were companies that bain invested in did engage in outsourcing, and lots of companies do, because it is an economic model that makes sense. >> you are saying that those companies while he was head of bain did not outsource jobs. >> in the washington post article, no. >> and you are saying specifically -- >> well, candy, that is the ones we checked because that is the story. have the "washington post" columnist on and see if they can demonstrate to you or the american voters the validity of the headline on that story, because like i say it was a breathless headline, but a baseless story. >> and let me ask you about another story in "the new york times," because of the contracts

that bain put out there and got signed from various companies that they invested in, that even when the companies went down worker workers were laid off and lost their pensions, et cetera, et cetera, and bain always made a hefty profit. again, there is nothing illegal about that an bain was there to make a profit for the investors, but it is a hard sell to what is right now the core of romney p support, isn't it? which is that the working class voter who has seen so many of the jobs go away? >> well, let me just say that in terls of the bain, bain put out a statement that said that this that story, they confused fees for profits, and that they didn't make a profit in those instances, but i refer that to bain. but the fact is that when mitt romney was involved with bain capital, it was very success fu in generating jobs. you look at companies like staples and others -- >> well, there is no records, and we are kind of arguing -- >> well, staples, there are a lot of jobs when you walk into a staples. so. >> well, a larger picture we

don't have -- >> and let me tell you about the larger picture we with have since president obama took office fewer than 500,000 americans are working today. 23 million americans are either out of work entirely or underemployed and not working full time, but part time instead of full time and left the workforce entirely as a result of the policies and last month, we have had the lowest postings of new jobs available by american companies in five months. we have had more than -- well, 40 months of 8% unemployment or higher, and we have seen a decline of family income by 4 $4,300 and that is the big picture, candy, and that is what americans are focused on going into november. >> let me ask you a couple of things because i had david pl plouffe on last week, and i asked him what was the plan to get people employed, and so when it comes to immigration and

reform, we know he wants to do it in a civil and bipartisan way to have immigration include something like what the president did by executive directi directive, and what we don't know, is a, will he keep the directive in place while he works out immigration in a hoe lis tick manner? >> well, candy, the president did take a short-term gain -- >> and since time is short -- i need to know about romney. >> every executive action that president obama has taken will be subject to review. in the case of this case, it is subject to review whether it is legal, and so there is legitimate questions about the legality of it, and everyone he takes here on forward is subject to review and repeal. >> we know subject to review, but isn't it important for not just the kids involved or the young 20-somethings who say, wow, now if i meet certain criteria, i can get my working papers and come january 20th or whenever the inauguration is if

mitt romney is president, they could lose it? shouldn't there be some certainty as to immigration or what he wants to cut or sustained tax cuts, and there are no specifics here that we can look at and voters can look at and say, oh, okay, here is what he wants to do, and i support that, and immigration is one of those. it is a simple e question, woul he keep it in place to get to a broader reform? >> well, two questions. first, governor romney's planb to grow jobs and bring jobs back is something we have been trying to lay out for weeks now. we have had a series of ads and if he was elected day one, what would it look like? approve the keystone pipeline or repeal obama care, and so we are laying out specifics. >> and what -- >> well, let me go back to other question of immigration. and so now between now and november, it is clear that the oval office is an extension of the chicago campaign headquarters, and they will make

a lot of moves and target demographics that the president will try to appeal to with executive actions, and we will review all of these. and the if a president romney is elected, he will. >> i have to run, but you can't tell me whether he will leave it in place? >> they are subject to review and repeal. >> ed, i am sorry so short, and as you know the world is going crazy. >> i understand completely. >> when we come back, an update on the egyptian presidential election. room for much else. there's no room left for deadlines or conference calls. not a single pocket to hold the stress of the day, or the to-do list of tomorrow. only 14 clubs pick up the right one and drive it right down the middle of pure michigan. your trip begins at michigan.org.

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said is that he wants, and this is a commitment he is making. he wants to do something permanent, long-term, and not a patchwork -- >> and so does the president. >> but he has not been able to. >> exactly. >> and he has not done that. >> but the question is about the kids. >> and to tell, congress, don't worry about it. we are going to just continue it is just another way of saying, you don't have to act. you can continue to avoid facing up to this issue the way that you have avoided it for the last ten years. >> congressman gutierrez, let me bring you in on this particular discussion, and ask you obviously the democrats are going after the mitt romney for not saying what he would do about this particular group of paperless immigrants who have come in here. do you think that is going to hurt mitt romney simply because mitt romney at this point is polling in the 24, 25% among the latino voters? >> well, let me just first of

all say that mitt romney is in the position he is in with latino voters is that during the primary campaign, mitt romney had a lot to i is a. he was very specific about what he felt about immigration. first of all, he hire d the architect of the discriminatory arizona law to advise him on immigration, and he said self-deport. he said he would veto the dream act if he were president of the united states, and moreover, he talked about self-deportation, but he had a very extreme position when it came to immigration, and candy, quite honestly, he just -- the latino community is not going to suffer from amnesia and forget about the positions, because he was clear and articulate in the primary. >> congressman, let me point out that this president said that he would get comprehensive reform in the first year, and that he would propose it, and he has not

delivered. you heard mitt romney down at the organization for latino elected and appointed officials here in the u.s., and mitt romney pointed out that latino unemployment is much higher than the overall average. he pointed out the number of la tinos who have dropped into poverty since this p president became president, so what is the appeal here given those circumstances? what is the appeal of the latino community? >> sure. i think that going back to mr. gillespie, a senior adviser just on the program said that if romney were president of the united states, he'd have to review and repeal and reconsider, and even repeal. so we simply ask -- >> i'm not sure he said repeal, but review. >> he did. i was listening very, very carefully, candy. he said that those actions would be under review and repeal. >> and so given that, we should have an answer on the basic question that we have before us. we have over 1 million young people in the united states of

america since the president made the announcement, two-thirds of the american public have said it is a great idea, and latinos are cheering throughout the country, there are positive steps being taken to defend the immigrant community, and undocumented immigrant community and we are starting with the children. at least mr. romney would say, look,ly not deport those young people if i am elected the president of the united states, and it is a fair question and one that should be answered before the election. >> mr. secretary, given the statistics that mitt romney rattled off at the convention, is it fair to say that latinos or latino voters are repelled by what the congressman just referred to, that kind of harsh tone of the republican party that seems unwelcoming to latino voters and those who are here with papers and that are american citizens, and those who are not? >> well, there's no doubt that there have been members of the party who have mentioned things, stated things that were

insulting to hispanics. i don't think that president obama wants to have a contest as to who said what, because what he promised the latino community, he promised everything. immigration reform in the first 100 days. jobs. education. we have 2 million more hispanics in poverty since he took office. unemployment went from 8% to 11%. hispanic schools, the schools they go to have not come up -- >> and actually dropped in the latino community from 8% to 11%. >> well, it is higher, but a lot higher that on the national average. >> yes. >> he has not delivered. they have been playing with latinos, and it hurts me to see it. this patchwork of the dream act, and why didn't they do this two years ago and how many people have been deported since? >> let me put that question

actually to the congressman, because i did have that down for you, and can you explain to me why the dream act which dealt with these young illegal immigration went down a year and a half ago, and why did it take the president until five months before the election to make this move? >> first of all, cancandy, it w november 2010 and i was there leading the fight. 216-208. and 208 against the dream act. >> he lost it -- >> and if i could. we pass ed the dream act in the house of representatives, and we went to the senate, candy, and there were 55 senators willing to overcome the ability to move forward with the the action there on closure. 51 democrats and 4 republican, and there were republicans working with then secretary of commerce gutierrez when he came to the congress under the bush administration who would not

vote for it. that is the simple fact they obstructed the process to getting the dream act done. and last year in august of last year, the president issued an executive order to look at how it was to use prosecutorial discretion, and we demanded and asked that he do more and he did that -- and look -- >> well -- >> i cannot ask for him to try to do more and when he does it not stand by to congratulate him. >> my dear friend luis gutierrez, and whom i admire and know you have done a lot for this cause. november 2010 is exactly what the pattern has been. before an election, let's promise something to the hispanics, and that bill had things in there that could not get bipartisan support, and republicans said don't ram that bill now. we are in the middle of an election, and you did it anyway knowing that it would not pass, but it didn't matter, because you made the promise and you got

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farooque sulton and he is basically the head of the egyptian elections commission, and he is about to announce the results of the presidential race. on the right is tahrir square basically filled with supporters of the muslim brotherhood candidate. we want to listen in for the results. >> the high committee for election did their job -- the commission for the high commission for for elections started in the middle of february pledging to the almighty that it does not fear anybody than him and that it does not seek the contentment except him. that their aim is the law.

adhering to the rules of the law and by announcing their result putting forth its eyes the interests of the kun tcountry. i say the commission for election started its work but from the very first moment it faced and before it started its mission and started a war waged against it from different political parties accusing it falsely of trying of undermining the election process.

to put the committee in a defensive way. and doubting its capability of running the election process. that members, experienced judges of the committee that have carried the aspiration of the egyptian people and some of them casted doubts on the integrity of members of the high commission for election. and also objecting to the decisions of the committee and by using media podiums in such a way to wage war against them.

some took direct criticism of, against the committee accusing it of forgery, and against all of this turbulent times, the committee carried out its work. carried out above all suspicions and never allowing any such things to hinder its process and work to fulfill the aspiration of the people. and the committee has with its

secretariat and the members for all of this huge effort for this event in the past without tardness. the committee has entered inon the the belief that without unhinder unhindered and in the interest of the support of the greater interest of the egyptian people, putting in mind that, that the, putting in mind the judges are above, the judges who are responsible above suspicion., te committee has employed and cast

aside any of those that the committee thought it was fit. we do not fear any threats. and the committee has also decided and put and disallowed one candidate, and after having resorted to the law put him back in the election race. and after having had the ruling of the constitutional court and hear that there were many voices as you are aware of to call -- to name the committee to come to name -- name the committee, the

high commission, the commission with different despicable names, the committee has put its burden, the attempts to -- and has all the trust of its decision and the dawn of the truth, and the truth has come. and the constitutional court issued its ruling -- >> what you are looking at is a live shot basically from the presidential election commission in egypt. their version of that. a very lengthy introduction to what we expect will be the results of the presidential election. there is a lot of tension here about what these results will be. it has pitted someone who was

once the prime minister for ousted hosni mubarak, the president, against a member of the muslim brotherhood. that square you were seeing, that is tahrir square which is in cairo, the site of the arab spring. now all this summer of uncertainty largely filled with supporters of mohammed mursi who is the muslim brotherhood candidate. i want to bring in our foreign affairs correspondent jill dougherty. jill, honestly, we're sitting here wondering if there's some reason to drag this out or if this is fairly typical. >> they are trying to defend themselves against any allegations that they have had any back room dealings. that's important. because if it's perceived, and it could be either way, that they have, you know, changed the results from an election that was perceived to be pretty well run, that would be a problem. but it is a long introduction. it might be politically

important, candy. >> isn't it sort of -- isn't it kind of running against the current? because it seems to me that no matter who wins this, there are going to be questions. because the military has taken such control over there since mubarak was ousted that any kind of result is going to come into question. >> that is definitely true. in effect, the military has emasculated whoever is going to be the president. they are the ones who are going to be in charge of the budget. after all, they disbanded the parliament. they have taken control of the budget. they also will be dealing with who decides on the constitution. so whoever this president is, he's going to have really limited powers. at least at this stage. >> jill, when we look at it from the u.s. point of view, is there a favored candidate? is there one candidate that the state department, the administration, would like to have run egypt because it's offered the better opportunity

for the u.s.? >> they, of course, would never say whom they support. but you would have to say that if mr. shafiq, who is the former prime minister, is elected, that would be a problem for the united states. because it would mean that the military continued to control the country and that is something that wasn't supposed to really happen. i think you'd have to say that morsi would be their desired candidate. >> and what of the billion dollars that the u.s. continues to give egypt, and basically it's going to the egyptian military? is there any thought in the u.s. administration that perhaps they ought to stop that money given the power grab? >> they have already discussed that. that if they do not go forward, if the egyptian government does not go forward with democracy, then they would have to re-evaluate that money and it definitely could be stopped if they perceive that things are going backwards. but this is so unpredictable, candy. you just -- you have to see what

happens next. >> so, jill, along with myself, we will all be awaiting this announcement. again, a very important announcement not just for egypt, maybe mostly for egypt, but certainly for the rest of the world as to who has won the presidential elections, the first democratic vote there in many, many decades. we want to thank you for watching "state of the union." i'm candy crowley in washington. please stay tuned for all of the news and, of course, what we are going to do here is stay abreast of this and come on as soon as we know. right now head to cnn.com/sotu for analysis and extras and if you missed any part of today's show, you can buy it on itunes. stay with cnn for continuing stay with cnn for continuing coverage. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com america's natural gas producers are committed to safely and responsibly providing generations of cleaner-burning energy for our country, drilling thousands of feet below fresh water sources

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