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kate bolduan has more. kate, what does the ruling say? >> hey, joe, it was a big day at the supreme court. one that has both sides trying to spin the ruling in their favor. the high court put the brakes on aggressive state efforts to crack down on immigration, at least for now. from the arizona border to the usz supreme court, the justices offered a split decision on the controversial, illegal immigration law. known as sb 1070. writing for the majority in the 4-3 ruling. justice anthony kennedy said arizona may have understandable frustrations with the problems caused by illegal immigration. but the state may not pursue policies that undermine federal law. and so the high court struck down three of the four key provisions in the law. unanimously upholding, at least for now, the most controversial piece. the requirement the police check
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immigration status while enforcing other laws if the officer has reasonable suspicion they're in the country illegally, giving jan brewer reason to claim at least partial victor victory. >> today the state of arizona was vindicated. and the heart of the bill was upheld. >> but the court made clear the show me your paper section could face future challenges depending on how it's implemented. still, most of the provisions at issue were tossed out. one, allowing police to arrest immigrants without warrant, if they have probable cause. also making ate crime for illegal immigrants to fail to carry immigration papers and a ban on illegal immigrants from applying for or delivering work of any kind. we are not talking about a federal law prohibiting the
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state from regulating bubble gum advertising tor construction of nuclear plants. we are talking about the core of state sovereignty. meaning states securing their own borders. in a statement today, president obama seemed to applaud the court's decision. they struck down key portions of the law. i think at the very least, this seems to be a warning shot from the high court to telling those states to tread carefully. immigration policy, joe. >> kate bolduan, thanks for that. let's go in depth with jeffrey toobin. you look at this thing and three of the four get overturned. the one thing gets up held. even more baffling is what was
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the reason why three were no good and one was good? what was the principal's distinction between that? i've been reading the opinion all afternoon. i'm still baffled by it. at one level the court is saying it's okay if there to be parallel enforcement of state and federal authorities during immigration matters. but states can't go further. they can't penalize more. >> they also suggested the state courts need to look into this a little bit more. >> they are going to let the other states experiment. now the states have a guide. you can be sure all the laws will remain tied up. >> let's talk about the suspense today. a number of them coming down. health care did not. really didn't know what was coming next. >> it was nerd heaven in court today.
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justice kagan will deliver the opinion in case from arkansas. it was a very important case where they struck down life prison without parole, mandatory sentences for juveniles. then hi says justice kennedy will deliver the opinion in arizona and the u.s. you don't know what he's going to say next. is he saying i'm going to deliver the opinion of the court? he didn't. he said the court will conclude its term next thursday. everybody should gather around the computer. >> a lot of very fiery conversation, in the dissents from conservatives. >> justice scalia was in rare form where he said if this decision came out in 1787, arizona wouldn't have decided later to join the union. i guess he thought they would have joined mexico instead.
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that was a little hyperbolic. >> let me read another fiery comment from scalia. the president said in a news conference that the new program is the right thing to do in light of congress's failure to pass the administration pass. as the court does, that arizona contradicts federal law enforcing applications of the act. so the issue sa stark one. it's more like a newspaper column. >> particularly when you consider that president obama's ruling on the dream act, on not throwing young people out of the country, that came well after this case was submitted to the court. so it was just his commentary on current events.
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it's tough. be like the show me your papers law. not like the other three laws. it's a little hard to determine. that's why there are going to be more cases. this is a case that comes after the citizens united case that basically opened the flood gates on the amount of money that can be put into political campaign. this algs applies at the state level. some people thought the court might have misgivings about united. but this appears to be a doubling down. >> that's right. citizens united eis the case tht says corporations have the right to give unlimited funds in support of a presidential candidate. or any political candidate. what montana had a law that said look, we in montana think corporations should not be involved in our political campaigns.
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the court got that case, and they gave it to the back of their hand, a one paragraph decision saying citizens united applies. citizens united is here to stai. >> on thursday we'll have health care, which is the biggest decision certainly of the term. you've said before that you see a train wreck for the obama administration on the way. you expect it to be ruled unconstitutional. do you still feel that way. i don't think my prediction should be challenged. look, i thought the ruling -- the argument went very badly for the obama administration. mostly the conservative justices seemed very hostile. that was my feeling then. it's my feeling now. the supreme court is the only constitution in washington that doesn't lead. so i have no idea what's going
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on since the case was argued. >> and they're answerable to no one, like yourself. >> justice robert jackson said we are not final because we are infallible. we are infallible because we are final. >> jeff toobin, it's always great to talk with you. >> nice to be here. >> much more on the arizona immigration ruling. mitt romney is there in arizona today. also, where the jobs are. one town is scrambling to fill some 3,000 positions. details of what's behind the boom. plus a controversial new take on working mothers. why one of them says she now believes they can't have it all.
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jack cafferty is here with the cafferty file. >> joe, thank you. nearly half of americanscan not name president obama's religion. say what? a new gallup poll shows 4% of those surveyed correctly say he's a christian. 11% say he's a muslim. 8% say that the president doesn't have a religious affiliation. and a stunning 44% say they don't know what he is. where have these people been? president obama has been in office for three and a half years. plus he went through a gruelling campaign to get a job. a came pain where they were on television about every three seconds forever. it's just one more example of how uninformed a lot of us really are. of course, people who don't like the president continue to raise questions about his religion, his place of birth. and it seems the efforts could be convincing or confusing some americans. democrats have more likely than
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republicans to correctly name the president's religion. 18% of republicans think the president is a muslim. that's one in five republicans. the poll shows independents are closer to republicans than to the democrats when it comes to their knowledge of mr. obama's religion. that might not help the president in november. interestingly though, americans are more likely too correctly name mitt romney's religion. romney is a mormon. only 33% say they didn't know that. some of that increased awareness has to come for the fact he ran for president four years ago. what does it mean if nearly half of americans cannot name president obama's religion? go to cnn.com slr cafferty file. post a comment on my blog. or go to our post on "the situation room's" facebook page. i found that rather stunning, joe, that almost half of us didn't know that at the end of his first term in office. >> you're right. it's amazing. four years ago, as you correctly
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point out, it was one of the biggest issues of the campaign. >> remember that footage of reverend wright that all the networks played over and over again. >> try to imagine a town with just 1% unemployment where they can't build houses fast enough. they can't build houses fast enough for a surging population in school. much of the u.s. is struggling, but williston, north dakota, is enjoying a boom most cities can only dream of. it's all thanks to one thing, oil. here's cnn's dan lothian. this is north dakota's new heart. sending black gold from the oil fields to main street. small cities like williston in the northwest corner of the state are bulges with prosper y prosperity. >> we're blessed.
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for whatever the good lord put the oil here. >> the mayor on the job for 18 years has gone from begging for new investments in his town to having more jobs than he can handle. >> unemployment is about 1%. we have about 3,000 jobs that are available. we have the businesses in town doing very, very well. the economy is just so very strong here right now. >> oil and new technologies that allow horizontal drilling and the breaking up of underground rocks, are driving this boom. raising the average salary here to more than $70,000 a year. and changing the landscape. this was one corner of town 18 months ago. here it is today. it's a community with houses still being built and selling for $200,000 each. with all that expansion comes a lot of tropics. like all these big trucks. this is a main road through
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town. in 2008, 9,000 cars a day drove through here. last year, that number was 28,000. the population has exploded from 12,500 people, to more than 20,000. nowhere is that felt more than the classrooms. >> growing so fast. it's so hard for us to keep up. >> the school superintendent is scrambling. she's leased 32 modular buildings for the fall, might use fema trailers, and she's on a hiring binge to find 52 teachers. >> wer trying to prepare from anywhere to 800 to 1,200 students. >> rents are skyrocketed from a few hundred dollars a month for more than $2,000 for a modest apartment is challenging. since it's difficult for teachers to find affordable housing on a salary of $31,000, the school district has gotten into the real estate business. buying these two apartment buildings.
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eight units in all, and the teachers have to double up, paying more than $400 each. >> also a landlord? >> i'm also alandlord even if you have the money, there's a housing shortage. motels are all booked with long-term residents. we had to stay 45 miles away. so called man camps have sprung up everywhere, housing oil field workers. while oil workers are raking it in, people with jobs in retail or fast food are being left out in the cold. this church parking lot gets crowded once the sun goes down. showers, shave and sleep inside or stay in your car. james moved here for a job to support his daughter. he was just hired at wal-mart where the pay is good. but he still can't afford an apartmen apartment. >> this is more than a car, this is your house. >> i want to buy a home. i want to have a good life. and i figure if i got to be
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homeless for a couple months and work my way up to that, i'll do that. >> chaising his dream, like others we saw from florida, california, georgia. it's like the dust bowl migration to california. but some long time residents are worried about the busying growth and what happens once the oil stops flowing. >> the boom is causing problemses. when it's over, the problems are going to triple. >> the mayor says he's looking to diversify from tourism and spending his city's new wealth wisely. >> you need to make sure it's sustainable and you don't get yourself in debt too much. that you live off this and make the best of that. but recognize that there are no guarantees. >> dan lothian, cnn, williston, north dakota. >> coming up, mitt romney reacts to the immigration ruling in arizona with a heavy dose of political spin. police, the essay going viral,
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just in as we continue to follow the crazy weather in the panhand panhandle, we're getting reports of rachb up in up to five inche hour. >> the problem is the storm is not moving. the center of debby hasn't moved all day long. therefore the heavy rain bands haven't moved autoall. if you're from tallahassee, we have seen rainfall estimates, by radar, and yes, you said five inches of rain? just one hour. and it's been raining for three to four hours all together. some spots may have 20 inches of rain by tonight. i don't know what you do with 20 inches of rain. even near the ocean, it's still going to flood.
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you will see addition nalg rainfall tonight. some of the storms could twist because the storm is twisting. you could get tornadoes around tampa down to ft. myers. this is a big bend of florida. this white area right here just south of tallahassee. over ten inches of rain in 24 hours. and we know it's still coming down at three to five inches of rain per hour. do the math. >> so, i would imagine, given a tropical storm, this is just about one of the worst possible scenarios you could have with a storm that just doesn't want to go anywhere. >> that's exactly right. and there's another thing involved here, too. it's almost like a bridge that doesn't have anything holding it
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up anymore. we are going to get sink holes from this. there's nothing below holding it up because the water table is low. the water here saturates the ground. the ground is going to sink. the sink holes at night are deadly. you think you're driving in two inches of rain, two inches of water. but there's no rain. you can be careful in florida tonight. >> a really bad situation there. we're also going to go out to florida, where wildfires are raging, causing a huge problem there. the republican candidate plays it so safe, we can't tell if he agrees with it or not. plus, history at the olympics. a country that won't allow women to drive says it will now allow women to compete in the games. and, if you were thinking about trading your car in for a
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presumptive parking light sresi nominee. >> mitt romney is holding a fund-raiser, and in all places arizona, just hours after the supreme court decision on the immigration law. despite the proximity to the issue at hand, the romney campaign has yet to say whether or not they agree or disagree with the high court's ruling. in the hours after the supreme court's decision on the arizona immigration law, mitt romney played it safe. staying away from the cameras. reporters were only allowed to get this glimpse of the presidential nominee. he blamed the president for the nation's immigration problem. i believe each state has the duty and right to secure or borders and preserve the rule of law, romney said. particularly when the federal government has failed to meet its responsibilities. as candidate obama he promised to present an immigration plan during his first year in office. four years later, we are still
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waiting. they could not say if the candidate's statement means he agrees or disagrees with the court's ruling. we don't have a statement one way or the other if he agrees the decision today. >> ultimately the the country would be better served if the president was fulfilling his campaign promises. >> romney's support for state rights does line up with comments he's made in the past in favor of the arizona law. include this interview with the christian broadcasting. >> i support the law, recognizing what arizona does underscores the failure of the federal government to do its job. and earlier this year, romney touted parts of the state's immigration problem as a model for the country. >> you see a model here in arizona. they passed a law that says people come here and try to find work, that the employer is
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required to look them up and everify. >> the romney campaign insists he does not see the entire law as a national model. rop knee found a lasting solution on immigration reform. >> we must also make legal immigration more attractive than illegal immigration. so people are awarded for waiting patiently in line. in recent weeks romney said he hopes the supreme court strikes down what has become the signature achievement. >> if i'm @ president and obama care is still in place, i will repeal it on day one. >> now mitt romney is loading a
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fund-raiser here in scottsdale, and there is pool of reporters observing what romney has to say to those in attendance. so it is possible that the gop contender will perhaps broaden his comments on the supreme court's ggs. but, joe, it is possible that romney will decide to stay cautious. not only on immigration. but on health care reform. that ruling is expected to come along later this week. the romney campaign is focused on the economy, come high court or high water: >> jim, thanks so much for that. i think you're absolutely right. we see a lot of vagueness with this candidate from time to time, when big issues sort of break, and you're looking for a reaction. let's get more with cnn chief political analyst gloria borger. you look at this and don't know exactly where we stand. we've seen this before, and i think the kind of question really is, did he have a rapid response problem, or is it something that was fundamental? >> no, i think they're vague because they feel like they need to be vaig.
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they're afraid of offending hispanic voters. you covered the primaries. you understand that candidate romney moved far to the right. on the question of immigration during the primaries, you saw the clip that jim acosta used in his piece on the arizona law. the problem politically is when you run for president, seeming uncertain on something is really not good. that's not the way romney seems. maybe we'll hear more from him this evening. so far very vague. >> if you keep this dry and you want to reserve that right, you also want to fix the problem, especially when it comes to hispanic latino voters.
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how do you do it? >> well, it's very hard for mitt romney. i'll tell you why. take a look at the new -- not cnn, usa today gallup poll of hispanics. what's that? 41 points. on top of that, take a look at what the president did ten days ago. on the dream act. he gave his own version of the dream act, which doesn't lead to permanent residency, but allows the children of illegal immigrants to come out of the shadows and work. so mitt romney proposed his own version of immigration reform. at this point he's got to have hispanics listening to him. and that's going to be a problem. don't forget, john mccain in 2008, who was viewed favorably by the latino community only won 30% of the vote. >> how likely is this thing
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going to die down and die away? >> one of the reason it doesn't go away is because so many of the battleground states have larges panic populations. of course, arizona, one of those states. you also have colorado, new mexico, nevada. these are states in which i hispanics, if they are enthusiastic, and the supreme court ruling may have something to do with the enthusiasm. so the issue will stay alive. we're not done with litigation. the supreme court did not end litigation. >> it could start up next week. >> probably will. >> thanks so much for that. arizona governor jan brewer will talk about the immigration ruling. that's coming up on john king usa. it's official. we now know that we'll learn the fate of president obama's landmark health care law this thursday.
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joining me for today's strategy session is donna brazi brazile. and a senior adviser for the romney campaign. bay, i would like to start with you. we're talking legal stuff now and health care is coming up. if you look at this thing going forward politically, what do you think republicans are going to need to do p the obama health
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care bill is upheld? >> you know, as i see this, it doesn't matter what happens. it's to our advantage. if it's upheld in the one hand, less than 40% of americans approve it. 50% are absolutely opposed. you see americans worried to death they're going to lose their health care insurance because of the bill. so this is a failed policy. it hurts americans. it was unconstitutional. and he went and signed a bill unconstitutiona unconstitutional. >> donna, what it's it's overturned? >> i think it's bad for people. i think it's bad for consumers. i think it's bad for both
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political parties. millions of americans have tried to take advantage of this law. a young person, staying on your parent's account. a person like myself that needs to go to this the doctors and now you have preventive medicine, it's great. i got a little rebate check that i framed. after i cashed it, of course. and if you're a senior citizen who needs extra money for a prescription medicine. so this law has already begun to help millions of citizens. bad for consumers, bad for the american people. congress will not be able to sleep knowing millions of people no longer have insurance because of what the supreme court decides to do on thursday. it's bad medicine for the supreme court to rule it unconstitutional and not in place practical solutions to pick up right away.
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if this were to be overturned, republicans may have an uphill battle in the fall. and what would republicans do to counter it? >> no, i don't buy that. it's not a good loss. it's a very bad loss. donna suggests the supreme court should uphold it because it helps americans. they are in the jobs of dd deciding, what is constitutional and what is not. it's an abusive power. it's a grab for 18% of the economy. unless it's the military talk. that is it. and so no, this should go back to this the private sector. it should be the best thing for americans is one on one. doctor and individual. that's the way it should go. and that is easy sell. and they is why americans are opposed to this. >> i think the constitutionality of the bill on the individual responsibility, individual
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mandate, which mitt romney once believed was so strong, he had a bid in usa today on july of 2009. i almost tweeted it so everybody can read it. you have mitt romney who once boasted this was the way to go. this was the model. president obama took up the model, a model republicans want to embrace in terms of individual responsibility and mandate, that they're now saying is no longer constitution nalg. they're going to make it up as they go along. >> how do you see the democrats responding if the individual mandate were upheld. they say, we hate this and we hate big government. >> they sound like a broken record that can no longer sell at the grocery store. it's the same old whining, crying and beating their chest. it's a gut law. it didn't go far enough, as far as i'm concerned in terms of a
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public option. i would have went for the public option. >> this supreme court is huge. can the federal government require, force americans to buy a product they have endorsed? that's the key. americans need to know it's damaging to health care. we'll getting fuel energy. it has to be turned up. i'm hoping the supreme court does it. if it's broke, we should fix it. both the immigration system and the health care system is broken. we don't need a supreme court to make all the decisions. given how the supreme court split the baby. whether we get the mixed decision on thursday. >> baby needs health care. >> thanks so much. preeshlt you coming in. >> glad to be here.
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just in. we have a statement from presidential candidate mitt romney on the latest immigration decision by the united states supreme court. reading part of it here. today there was a spleem court decision relating to immigration, and give given the failure of the immigration policy in the country, i would prefer to see them give more latitude to the states, not less. and there are states now under the decision that have less authority, less latitude to enforce immigration laws that mitt romney, the presumptive presidential candidate on the supreme court decision today. >> one day they'll chiz l that
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on mt. rushmore. >> i doubt it. >> what does it means half of americans can't name obama's religion. it means people don't do their research and believe what their preferred news outlets tell them to believe. present company excluded, of course, jack. susan in new jersey says president obama states he's a christian. if he is, he rarely seems to practice it. president obama has not done this. >> dave in seattle writes says it shouldn't be important. the question is up there with boxers or brief. that's right. it means my suspicions are true. we're dumb over here. mark writes this is a lot better than the saying. floyd in california says it's obvious. half of the country is either totally ignorant or republicans.
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>> mark says, i believe we're 17th. the ignorance will decide this election, or maybe not. and connie in indiana. let's see, jack. 50% of americans do not know who the vice president is. 50% of america doesn't know who you are. it proves we need to be spending more on education, not less, or we're wasting what we do spend. obama is a christian. romney is a moron. i'm sorry. mormon. these are cheap shots. but we go for the cheap laughs laugh at times. or go to our post on "the situation room's" facebook page. you don't get this high clesz material unless you nil in for wolf, do you? >> almost never. just a word of clarification. apparently that statement i read just a minute ago was something he actually said during a fund-raiser, but it was off camera. so we won't get tape of it, to people who were apparently there to consider giving him some money.
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there you go, jack. >> it wouldn't hurt for him to come out and make a public statement, for the record. people argue he's not definitive in his positions. the government is expected to take new steps to stop leaks. >> well, the director of national intelligence will likely appear on capitol hill this week, where we expect he'll roll out new measures aimed at strapping the recent string of classified leaks. they include al qaeda in yemen. plus a secret drone program. and the fbi is conducting its own investigation of those leaks. greece's prime minister has resigned for health reasons. it's a potential setback for the new government that promised to pay back billions of dollars
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greece receives as a bailout. expectations were lower. the dow fell 138 points. and history will be made as this sumpler's olympic games. saudi arabia says it will let the women athletes compete for the first time. the international committee was putting pressure on saudi arabia where women can't vote or drive. now cutter and renee are reversing their positions as well. and sad news from the galapagos i lend where a giant tortouis has survived. he was more than 100 years old. george is relatively young for his breed. and some can live to around 200. the cause of his death is under
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investigation. a lot of people are concerned about this. you haven malls going extinct. >> that is sad. coming up in the next hour, more than half a dozen wildfires burning out of control in colorado. now two firefighters are facing the worst possible conditions. plus a state of emergency in florida, pounded by tropical storm debbie. we'll take you there live. and al controversial essay that some say people have to think about. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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i tell mike what i can spend. i do my best to make that work. we're driving safely. and sue saved money on brakes. now that's personal pricing. can working mothers have it all? a former high ranking government official has written a provocative new essay in which she says balancing a successful career while raising children doesn't work in today's world. lisa sylvester is joining me now. >> it resonates with a lot of moms and dads. our generation is taught women can have it all if you work hard and study hard. but what she is arguing is that if you also want a family,
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you're going to have to make tough choices. sometimes it may be relying on trusted family members. sometimes it's assuming you have the resources, hiring nannies. for a lot of women, vast majority of women out there, the truth is, it is really tough juggling both. sharon has photos from her days as a key white house executive during the clinton administration. >> it was definitely very intense. >> long weeks with 12 to 14 hour days. >> are you guys going to try to clone that up? now she's a stay at home mom taking care of her boys and 6-year-old daughter. juggling a full time demanding job and parenting was too much. >> maybe super woman out there can do it. i couldn't be a super mom and employee that i wanted to be as a very type "a", wanting to be the best employee out there, i couldn't make the balance work.
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>> she has read the provocative article entitled why women still can't have it all. one of the most read online articles. it's touching off a firestorm of debate and discussion. she says american culture and society frowns upon women leaving the office early or workg from home. so many moers leave high level careers to focus on family. >> if they are super human, rich and/or self employed, can or are having it all, and in many ways i put myself in the category. but for everybody else, essentially our society, our workplace, our culture is making it very difficult for most women to actually have work and family and the same career choices as men. >> is there a glass ceiling for moms? >>. >> no one says anymore this is no job for a woman. "a", that's discrimination.
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but plenty of people say this is no job for a mother. >> sarah knight is another mom to a 4-year-old and 8-year-old. she also worked at the white house and also took time off after the birth of her children. but she's recently started a new job as a consultant in atlanta, where she can have flexible hours. >> i don't think i could go back to doing the amount of work that i was doing before and still spend time with my kids and have a great family. she tells her 6-year-old daughter she'll have to find what works for her. >> yo can be anything you want to be if you work hard enough and put in the time. i go think they can have that. >> so, lisa, what's the solution here? >> it's interesting. sharon is talking about, she wants to tell her daughter, you can do whatever you want to do as far as a career. he's also going to say, look, there's a reality. you have to balance the work and family live. a lot of great dads out there
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also a play a key role. a lot of companies will have this stated on the books as their policy, but when an employee asks for it, it's denied. that's what she says has to change, joe. >> thanks so much for that, lisa sylvester. > . you're in "the situation room." endless rain, dangerous flooding and deadly tornadoes. we just received the latest information from the national hurricane center. standby for that. plus, wildfires force thousands of evacuations across colorado, and the weather is making the disaster even worse. we'll get a personal account of what it's like to run for your life as flames race towards your home. and the pope is getting surprising help to deal with scandal. the adviser is a former fox news correspondent who is a member of
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a very controversial church. wolf blitzer is off. i'm joe johns. you're in "the situation room." it's slow moving torture for millions of people in florida being drenched or put in danger by tropical storm debby. florida's governor that has declared a state of emergency. you need a boat to get across some streets in the tampa bay area. up to two feet or rain or more is expected in parts of florida, as debby inches northeast in the gulf of mexico. we're told the rain is falling at about five, five inches an hour in some locations.
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this might mare is expected to last for days until debby makes landfall this week. we're also watching another disaster. this one out west, where massive wildfires are being fueled by hot, dry winds. more than 10,000 people have been forced from their homes by the latest blaze racing through the sky. cnn's jim spellman is standing by in colorado, and cnn's john za re zarrella is in florida. but first severe weather expert chad myers with a new storm advisory from the national hurricane center. chad. >> joe, the very latest is the 5:00 advisory. we get new advisories every six hours when there's a storm or watch warning on the shore for the united states, the advisories come out every three hours. 45 miles per hour. the storm did not slow down. it will travel across the northern part of the state maybe right over jacksonville itself.
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the five inch an hour rainfall total is right there on the northern fringe of debby. it's up here to the west of jacksonville, but very close to this the city of tallahassee. we've seen some spots now with 16 inches of rain today. the pictures are impossible to get because the roads are closed. the big red box is a tornado watch box. they'll make damage, like some of the damage that we had from last night. >> we're hearing just incredible things about the storm. thanks so much for that. i want to talk to you about anecdotes. man man says it was so windy and rainy he couldn't see a thing outside. when he finally could, he thought his roof was gone, blown off by a suspected tornado.
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watch this report from ashley glass of wftf. >> it's sneaking up right now. >> you are watching as it happened, two men caught this video as the storm came ashore in the dark of night on sunday. the light of monday morning reveals a lot of. >> pretty damaged, we're going to have about igt pieces of property, it's going to be totalled. >> the firefighters will spend the entire day going door-to-door, making sure they didn't miss anyone. they report just one minor injury. some of the worst of it on ninth avenue. >> this is one of the places that touched down. >> brenda was home at the time, thankfully in the main house and not the detached garage.
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>> got out of there without a scratch. so we're happy. >> he owns the oldest home. but not this. >> tropical storm did it. >> reporter: the roof gone, blown right into the front yard. they lost their roof, too. >> those pictures are just incredible. let's go to john zarrella who is on the ground where that storm you just saw hit. it isn't over by a long shot, is it? >> reporter: no, not at all. in fact, you think of all the tornadoes, and the water spouts and the heavy rainfall. and you've also got this tidal flooding. that's what we're experiencing here now this afternoon. the boat dock is pretty much submerged here. high tide was 35, 40 minutes ago. the tide continues to come in
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you know all this, joe, in front of me, behind me here, was all dry just a few hours ago. and now all that water is overwashing the sea wall, you know, continuing to redrench the area. there's nowhere for it to go. the water is bubbling back up through the drain. take you over here to the building described in the report with the detached garage. there's still a lot of standing water here. and you can see back here, there's the partially detached garage that we're talking about. upstairs was an apartment. fortunately, nobody was living in there when it collapsed last night, either in the straight line winds, the tornado or the water spout, whatever it was. officials haven't been table to determine exactly what it was yesterday. but the water has not gone down at all here. that's partly because everything is so saturated in this area. it just takes la little bit of rain, and it just comes back up.
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and then all the overwash from the gulf of mexico. so they're continuing to see all the problems here. and they're continuing to compound themselves, certainly with each high tide. as the storm debby moves closer, it's going to continue, even in a weakened state to drive up more water tr the gulf of "morning expres mexico. >> we're hearing a lot of wind noise, to suggest you're still feeling the wind effects there at this time. >> it's interesting. we had hardly any rain at all today. one little swal line that moved through. you can hear the woodchipers behind me. all the trees are down t power is out in the area. they're working hard to restore the power. working hard to clean up debris here. you can still hear the gusty winds and still see clouds in the distance, as they row tail light around the storm. but again, for the most part, joe, you can see it's pretty much blue skies above us.
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although it's still -- joe? >> reporter: there you go. it looks like your signal is coming in and out on us. now to the wildfires out west. firefighters are battling frame flames across tens of thousands of acres in colorado and utah. a new blaze in and around colorado springs is putting thousands of homes and lives at risk right now. chad myers has been tracking the fires for us as well. >> wouldn't it be nice to spread the rain around a little bit. we've had fires north of denver, in wyoming, back to vegas and utah. the winds not cooperating today. the heat not cooperating today. over 95 degrees on the fire lines of denver. this one is close to estes park. we're now up to 130 square miles. there are more than 2,000 men and women fighting this fire
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with 19 helicopters, 5 heavy air t tankers and 170 fire engines, and they lost containment this weekend. we were 55% on friday. now we're down to 45% because the winds blew the fire over highway 19. this fire right now, 94, not getting better tomorrow. my forecast is for 98 degrees, and the fire line, i drew a line around the whole file. it's 65 miles around the fire. it's almost impossible to fight anything that large without a little help from mother nature. >> that sounds like it would be hard to breathe. high winds. 98 degree temperatures. pretty rough stuff there, especially for people trying to fight the fire. >> when the winds shift, the firefighters can get on the wrong side of the fire, too.
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>> let's go straight to the fire danger zone. jim, what's it like out there trying to fight the fires? >> joe, what chad was describing are what firefighters call red flag warnings. so this is high wind, low humidity, and high temperatures and this is exactly what is going on right now. this is the hour firefighters told us would get worse. they've been knocking it down with helicopters, creating dangerous conditions for the firefighters and the people who have been evacuated from their homes and waiting to find out their fate. >> pretty scary. they're right there. >> the latest wildfire burn outside of colorado springs. thousands of people forced to
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evacuate and leave everything behind. >> valuables, financial records, clothes, everything else stays. >> firefighters are trying to save the home, but conditions aren't making it easy. today will be a tough day. tougher than yesterday. upper 90 degrees. that type of temperature. and wild canyon isn't the only fire causing problems. this fire has destroyed more than 240 homes. for the moment, winds are blowing away from colorado springs, and firefighters hope it will give them a chance to create a fire line. but they know conditions can change at any time. >> fire can go almost any direction it wants to, when mother nature pushes it around. >> did you see flames? >> oh, yeah. i saw flames the whole time. the whole time. smoke, flames coming up, flames shooting up over the top of the ridge. >> dennis evacuated as flames were headed towards his home just over this ridge. now he waits and watches as
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helicopters drop water near his home. >> like on needles and pins waiting to find out if my house is still there. >> a few hours ago they added new resources, the cargo planes retro fitted to drop retardant on the fire. it's still 0% contained. >> that's incredible. it's really quite a sight to see the planes dropping all the the retardant. simply remarkable stuff. thanks so much for that. the mayor of colorado springs is standing by to join us with new information he just received about the dangerous cannca canyon fire. plus, the new ruling rejecting most of arizona's controversial law. and syria shoots down one plane and fires on another, adding tension in the case between the
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jark cafferty is here with the cafferty file. >> while mitt romney intensifies his search for a running mate, it remains to be seen how much his number two pick will even matter. florida senator marco rubio kept mum on nbc's "meet the press" yesterday about whether romney might choose him. rubio previously said he's not interested in being vice president. now he says he's not talking about it anymore. that means he's interested. romney has said that rubio is is r definitely in the mix of possibilities, purring back against a report that rubio wasn't being vetted. another report today suggests the romney campaign is looking at wisconsin congressman and budget director committee chairman paul ryan. some republican kaing makers tod who they think he should pick. several mention rubio as the top choice. other names include rob portman,
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rands paul, bobby jindal, mike huckabee and new mexico governor susanna martinez. not on the list, tim pawlenty, who over the weekend says he can best help romney as a, quote, volunteer and surrogate speaker, unquote. there's also new jersey governor chris christie who would bring a little tabsco sauce to an otherwise bland omelet. some think romney may jump early and name his number two before the republican convention in tampa in late august. it's a way to rev up the base, generate buzz, increase media attention e and bring in the all important fund-raiser dollars prior to earlier in the campaign. vice presidential candidates sometimes help win their home state. others say the most important quality in a number two on the ticket is do no harm. see sarah palin, 2008.
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how much liz his vp pick matter? go to our pest on "the situation room's" facebook page. >> it seems like they only matter if there's a problem. otherwise, they vote for the candidate, right? >> that's true. they vote for the number one. but mccain reached out to sarah palin in 2008, exactly what you said, there was a problem. and they looked to the bold gesture. some dramatic breast stroke. it kind of blew up in their hands. the justices in a 5-3 decision striking down most of the arizona law targeting illegal immigrants while upholding the one of the most controversial provisions. what will it mean in the battle for latino votes on the campaign trail. jessica yellin is here with that
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repor report. >> well, this is really a victory. the president's campaign is working overtime to energize. just before heading out for a day of campaigning, the president touted most of the immigration ruling and called on congress to act on comprehensive immigration reforms. but the president has not made immigration reform his top priority in office either. one reason the obama campaign is working so hard to please frustrated latino voters now. >> we are a nation of strivers and climbers and entrepreneurs. the hardest working people on earth. nobody personifies these american values, these american traits, more than latino community. >> recent polling shows 75% of americans support the arizona law. still, the court's ruling overturning most of that law is largely being seen as a political win for the president. why?
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two reasons. first, the president has consistently opposed the law. >> i think it puts american citizen who is look hispanic, are hispanic, potentially in an unfair situation. i don't approve of the arizona law. i think it's the wrong approach. >> second, his campaign believes turning out the latino vote could make the difference in november. colorado, nevada, virginia and florida, where there's a growing number of potential latino voters. many of the would-be latino supporters are angry he has not prioritized immigration reform until now. the president just announced a new policy that certain kids brought here illegally by their parents are now safe from deportation for two years. >> it is the right thing to do.
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>> and with the arizona ruling, the president can anyway tell latino audiences he fought for them in the nation's highest court. >> we said, yes, we can. now today the president also expressed concern that one part of the law that the supreme court left standing could lead to civil rights violations. he also emphasized that he is committed to tight border security, careful balancing acts for a very tricky political issue. >> we were talking about this earlier today. when you look at justice scalia, you can see how much worse it could have been for the obama administration if they had the vote. so that's really interesting. we now have on thursday the health care vote coming up. what about that? >> that's right. as you can imagine, the white house and the campaign racing for that. if the individual mandate is struck down, the main component, some in the obama world believe that other parts of the law
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could well stand, like a popular provision allowing kids under 26 to stay on their parent's health care. you expect they are ready to make voters aware of the other popular parts of the law if they're still allow thod be on the books and get ready for the president to call on republicans to explain their plans to get people health care if the law is struck down. jessica yellin, always great reporting. thanks so much. just ahead, what areas are affected and why there could be concerns about you getting sick. plus, is now the time to buy a new home? details on a surprising report that's just been released. schools flourish and students blossom. that's why programs like... ...the mickelson exxonmobil teachers academy... ...and astronaut sally ride's science academy are helping our educators improve student success in math and science.
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dole is recalling more than 1,000 bagged salads. lisa sylvester is managing that. >> joe, the recall, which covered six states was issued after a sample tested positive for an organism known to cause food bourn illness.
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it's a used by date of june 19th. no illnesses have been reported so far. and customers with concerns are asked to call dole for more information. and some positive signs in the housing mark. the government reporting a 7.6% jump in new home sales last month. not all of the numbers are good. existing home sales for the same month dropping more than a percent. and frightening moments for this bear cub that managed to get trapped inside a garage. you can see it there scaling a bar, looking for a way out, then, it's mama bear to the rescue. lifts the garage door up and with the help of a ladder, the cub is able to escape. i love watching the pictures. >> that's incredible. but you know what, the thing that bugs me about this is that camera looks like it's in the garage. and i wouldn't want to be the person messing with mama bear. >> i never thought about that. who is the one who shot that?
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colorado's governor says about half of all the firefighter air crews in the country are in his state right now. the newest one erupted over the weekend. we're joined by the mayor of colorado springs. thanks for joining us, mayor. can you give us any idea whether there's an update on the information about these fires, the strength, and where they may be traveling? >> well, we're into day three of the fire. it's in the forest and we have a strong wind blowing from the southeast to the northwest. which is blowing the fire away from the city. the police and fire departments are well organized. we have a lot of resources in
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the city. we're vigilant here. we've evacuated quite a few people as a precaution. >> have you been able to contain any fires so far? >> as of now we still have, as far as i know, zero containment. this again is ten miles outside the city, up in the national forest. we now have federal and state resources here. other aircraft are fighting the fire. that number is growing. we do not have containment yet. we're having more and more resources applied to every hour here. >> mayor, i realize there's a big delay on the communications here on the satellite. so i hope everybody will bear with us. can you give me a sense right now, if you know, about the speed these fires are traveling? >> well, this fire has several
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heads to the fire. and it's had three heads at one time. and that continues to change as the winds shift and temperatures change. that's going back and forth. right now the fire is moving southwest and northwest. >> a lot of times in a situation like this, for one reason or another, just comfortable evacuating. are people there obeying evacuation orders? we've had practice evacuations, especially in the cedar heights area of our city, which is closest up the mountain to the fire. and we've had tremendous cooperation from the people being evacuated and thousands of citizens stepping forward to
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volunteer, giving money to the red cross and other organizations to help. >> colorado springs mayor, thanks so much for coming and giving us a little bit of time and update on the fires now. over in ft. collins in northern colorado, the largest fire is scorching right now. it's charred more than 83,000 acres. it's destroyed 248 homes in the ft. collins area. that's more homes destroyed than any other fire in colorado history. we're joined on the phone by a resident forced out of his home when the fire erupted on june 9th. you've been out of your home for two weeks. what was going on when you had to evacuate? and what's it like picking up and leaving your home and all your stuff and not knowing when and if you'll get back to it? zbr well, our family developed a plan in the event of something
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like this occurring. we had a list of items to take with us in the event we had to evacuate in case of a fire. it was basically 45 minutes. one hour interval. the more time we had. the very first thing we did is gathered all of our technology for the family. we gathered our scriptures. we are basically able to gather some of the clothing. but it was a limited time of leave in there. and the smoke and the fire was coming right at us. and so we wanted to make sure we could get out. we only had one exist at that time. >> hue did you find out if your home is still stand sng. >> well, it was about three days after the fire.
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the fire started on june the 9th. and on sunday we had seen images of the area, based upon helicopters flying over and taking the images. we thought we were okay. but in the following day on monday, we saw it again in the whole mountain community. t it was two days later on wednesday that we went to a meeting of the people who lived in the subdivision, and there were 52 people in the meeting that we had in the community area. and at that time, what they said is we have a sheet of paper here with all the addresses. would you like us to post it, or do you want us to read them? we said, go ahead and read them. the ones that reread are going to be the ones still --
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>> ours was the third house that was mentioned. 22 homes were not mentioned. that's a 40% ratio. >> incredible. and our prayers are with you. we hope you're okay. please stay safe, and let's check back and see how things are going out there. thank you so much for coming in and talking to us on the telephone. we want to go back now to chad myers in the weather center with some breaking news in the tropical weather we've been following. chad, what do you got? >> something we don't see often. it's called a flash flood emergency. you get flash flood warnings. we get flash flood watches. this is the next step up, with texts in the warning that says this is an extremely dangerous situation. now, let me show you, there's the whole state of florida. right through here. and there's been a flare-up of rain all day in one spot. right near appalache, and some
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estimates are the rainfall could be 15 inches deep with more rainfall coming. literally, joe, it's still raining exactly where we're talking about. that right there is tallahassee, florida. that's where sfu would be as well. here's the state of florida all the way down to miami and back. this is the area of concern. that's where the flash flood emergency is in effect right now. here's the deal if you live in the northern half of florida. i would really recommend not driving at all tonight. flash flood warnings are impossible to judge. you can't judge how deep the water is if you're trying to drive around after dark. get home and stay home if you're in the northern part of florida. when there's this much water on the ground in florida, significant sink holes can happen at a moment's notice. all the sudden the sink holes fall into the ground. >> 15 inches. that's incredible.
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the bitter standoff between syria and the international community is worsening after syria shot down one turkish fighter jet and later fired on another. it's raising new questions about whether it's time now for nato to act. cnn's pentagon correspondent barbara starr is joining us from the pentagon with the very latest. >> well, joe, in fact nato will meet tomorrow in brussells to talk about all this. but will it be more than just talk? syria and turkey started off searching together for the downed crew of the f-4 fighter jet turkey says was on the training mission. >> but now it's been learned syria shot unsuccessfully at a
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for urkish search plane. further inflaming tensions hours before a nato meeting on the crisis. turkey claims the plane that was shot down left one of its air bases and briefly strayed into syrian air space. the syrians, turkey says, shot it down without warning. turkey also says it went down in international waters. syria says it used the anti-aircraft guns in self defens defense. >> the u.s. isn't buying it. >> it was just shot out of the sky. that obviously is not keeping with with international norms and such. >> nato isn't likely to authorize military action even now. >> nato will get together in syria. it's too messy. >> but if the u.s. military had to get involved, jets could quickly fly combat missions out
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of southern europe. their regular job is using missiles to be prevent a potential air attack by iran. they could be moved north in a matter of hours. there are growing cracks in bashar al-assad's grip. >> there was dozens of syrian military who defected to turkey overnight with the families. so this appears to be an increasing pace of these kinds of military folks. >> voting with their feet. >> now attacks against turkey is an attack against nato under the rules. but still don't expect to see
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nato commit military forces to the syrian crisis. joe? >> thanks so much. barbara starr at the pentagon. and a former fox news correspondent is a member of a very controversial group in the catholic church. our cloud is not soft and fluffy. our cloud is made of bedrock. concrete. and steel. our cloud is the smartest brains combating the latest security threats. it spans oceans, stretches continents. and is scalable as far as the mind can see. our cloud is the cloud other clouds look up to. welcome to the uppernet. verizon.
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a major new attempt at damage control by the scandal-plagued vatican. the communication directors has surprising ties, including a news correspondent for fox news. >> unlike most vatican officials, the strategist is not a priest. they're bringing in an outsider for a powerful new behind the scenes hope. but he is a member of the influential catholic group of its day. which could raise some eyebrows. in an unprecedented move t pope has hired a new public relations guru from a most unlikely place. fox news reporter greg burke who covers rome is switching sides, becoming the vatican seniored a virz for communications. his role will be to contribute an outsider's perspective to the
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meetings and to help the vatican avoit some pr problems. experts say he'll have his hands full. >> it's really the best move the vatican has made in a long times. they have a lot of problems internally with communications strategy and also presentation. >> unlike most, burke is not a clergyman. depicted in dan brown's popular book in the movie the da vinci code, as a powerful figure in the church. he said he's dedicated to the organization.staying celibate and unmarried. >> he's hiring him less than a week after the pope's number two said, look, the media is urn turning this into a down brown novel. well, cardinal, if it's not a
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dan brown novel, you turned around and hired this guy. how is that going to play out? >> he says while it's highly effective and influential in the vatican, it's not a sinister organization like the popular depiction. burke will start the new job amid an unfolding vatican scandal, involving the arrest of the pope's butler. also causing controversy, the recent crackdown on american nuns. and over the past few years the handling of the pedophilia scandal. >> the ultimate insider, the powerbrokers and shakers are located. so the fact that he'll be working of that space indicates they mean him to be a reinsider, somebody sitting at the table when the sausage is ground. >> reporter: it also represents another american and rat can
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inner circle that now has several. joe. >> lisa, thanks for that. time to check back with jack cafferty. jack? >> joe, the question this who your is how much does mitt romney's vp patter anthony in arizona says the vp doesn't matter unless the pick is a disaster. in fact, romney doesn't matter that much himself. people are either voting for or against obama. i don't know anyone who is actually voting for romney. john in connecticut rights the pick is very important. i consider is the first presidential decision the candidate makes. that was the problem with john mccain last time. he wanted a game-changer instead of a qualified person who could fill the office if needed. larry in kansas writes, mitt romney does not have reality in his dna. he constantly refuses to tell the american people what he really thinks. he needs a game-changer. arrogant, outspoken, say what you mean chris christie. he would ignite the ticket like the fourth of july.
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from louisiana, it the marys a lot. >> shades of sarah palin. i hope romney chooses our governor bobby jindal. he's never here anyway. he demotes any members of the legislature who question his lame brain policies. does anyone in the media do in-depth vetting of these people anymore? to hear the media, he's a rock star. well, he's not. paul in ontario writes i don't think romney's choice matters much at all seeing that a recent poll gave obama a double digit lead over romney. too bad justin bieber is a canadian. and ted writes, do you think joe biden got 935% of the black vote 3 1/2 years ago? if you want to read more, go to the blog, cmn.com/cafferty file or through our post on the situation room's facebook page. joe, i enjoyed sharing the situation room with you today. >> thanks, jack. always good to be here. appreciate it. let's go back to chad myers now.
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chad, you were already telling us about the flash flood emergency but where is the storm headed? >> well, it's headed very slowly joe, that's the problem. even by wednesday, it's just coming onshore in the big bends area of florida. a very slow-moving storm will spread very heavy rainfall over jacksonville, possibly as far as south as the villages with more rain coming in toward the tampa area. the storms cos spin a little bit down here and there could be tornadoes down there in central florida. there's even a tornado watch in effect right now. but here's the rain. this is the tornado area here. the big red box. this big area that's red, that's the flash flood emergency area. and i can show you that on one more graphic. it is northern florida just south of tallahassee. the big red zone you see here joe, between 10 and 15 inches of rain since midnight and it's still pouring. >> again, so do we have a real
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idea when all this is going to taper off? >> no, not really. with it lumbering at 4 or 5 miles an hour, this rain lasts a very long time in the spots it's already been raining. by thursday afternoon, the storm goes pretty much offshore east of jacksonville. by then, we are talking three to five inches of rain per hour, if they would get that the type of rainfall, there would be more flooding in bigger cities, not just places like tallahassee and st. marks. >> here in washington, d.c. with the potomac river and all, it would be a nightmare. >> when you have roads like that, roads don't let the ground soak in. the water just sits on top and runs off. that's why flash flooding is so very volatile in cities rather than in the country. >> thanks so much for that. liftoff with engines is one thing but when it comes to human power, that's another. just ahead, the race to build a successful human-powered helicopter. ask me.
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second hand blue jeans at an open air market. in russia, tourists flock the banks of a river to watch a laser show, and in england, tennis fans line up for ticks to wimbledon. hot shots. pictures coming in from around the world. it may not seem that hard to get a helicopter off the ground, but when you're the one generating the energy, it's a whole different story. now, a group of engineering students is making it their mission and hoping to win some money in the process. here's cnn's jeanne moos. >> reporter: sure, liftoff is easy with engines. but the quest to build a human-powered helicopter is littered with letdowns. though this japanese craft may not look like a helicopter -- and now americans using rotors powered by pedaling have broken the world's record, a whopping 50 seconds.
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engineering students at the university of maryland have been chasing the $250,000 see course ski prize for 3 1/2 years. it doesn't sound that hard to win the prize. the flight just has to last one minute and reach an altitude of ten feet. after all, with pippi longstocking can do it with a plane chopper hybrid. but for more than three decades no one's been able to win the see course ski prize offered by the american helicopter society. in 1989, california polytechnic students were airborne for seven seconds. >> down, down. >> the japanese made it to 19 seconds. and now the university of maryland team got within ten seconds of the goal with kyle glusenkanp in the cockpit. >> at the end of the flight, i was definitely burnt out. >> pilots have to be light yet powerful. they use their arms and their legs. kyle answered an ad he saw posted. >> are you strong but
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lightweight and do you want to break a world record? >> now he's done that. but the 50-second flight only made it a foot and a half or so in altitude. still kyle says -- >> it feels like floating on air. >> maybe it's not as dramatic as the flight of birdman a few months ago. he was an internet sensation. until the dutch filmmaker admitted flying by flapping his arms was all a hoax. the university of maryland team calls its craft gamera two after the japanese movie monster, a giant flying turtle. at least no one's had to duck from this gamera. >> so far no one's been hurt by it. >> what do you want to be when you grow up? >> world record holder. >> yeah, baby. >> jeanne moos, cnn. new york. >> and that's it for me. thanks very much for joining us. i'm joe johns in washington. the news continues next on cnn. >> good evening, i'm john king.
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tonight the new law of the land on immigration issues. the supreme court throws out several provisions of arizona's tough law but let's stand its most controversial enforcement tool. jan brewer joins us to answer critics. and syria accused of shooting down a second turkish fighter jet as both countries offer starkly different stories over what happened to the first one. an escalating war of words that threatens to turn into something more. that landmark decision on arizona's polarizing immigration law. supreme court weighed in. police officers in that state are allowed to check the immigration status of any person they stop or arrest as long as those officers have "reasonable suspicion the person is in the country illegally." even though other key provisions have been struck down, arizona governor jan brewer considers today's decision a victory.
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>> the heart of senate bill 1070 has been proven to be constitutional. arizona and every other state's inherent authority to protect and defend its people has been upheld. >> governor brewer will join us live in a few moments. critics have been crying foul protesting section 2 b, the so-called show me your papers provision ever since the state bill was introduced. the critics say that could lead to racial profiling. >> allows police to conduct immigration checks on anyone they suspect of being in the country illegally, even if their only evidence is an accent or maybe the color of their skin. >> in a statement the attorney general eric holder says section 2 is not a license to engage in racial profiling. i want to assure communities around the country the department of justice will vigorously enforce prohibitions against racial and ethnic
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discrimination. the state is not allowed to arrest immigrants without an warrant. the state wanted to make it illegal for unauthorized immigrants not to carry official identification. they wanted to make it a crime for illegal immigrants to work or to try to find work. let's start with our chief white house correspondent jessica yellin. president obama released a statement saying he's pleased with the out come. no american should ever live under a cloud of suspicion just because of what they look like. we must ensure that is arizona law enforcement officials do not enforce this law in a manner that undermines the civil rights of americans. in an odd way, does the president benefit politically that the court threw out three of the contested provisions but left that one in and now we'll see how this plays out going forward? >> first, yes. on the policy part of it, john, the department of homeland security has made clear they're not necessarily going to play ball all that much with arizona on this one.
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they're not going to change their response. they expect more phone calls but they might not be that much of a participant in cracking down with them. when they get those phone calls. and the department of justice has put out just now a phone number to receive incoming calls in people feel like they're being racially profiled. they've made it clear on the response end that they're not so cooperative with arizona on this one. >> the court has spoken but we're going to stay involved here. >> right, exactly. you asked about the politics. so the president has won on all these other counts except this one measure. this is the one issue that latino voters are most concerned about, and it's a very careful dance he would have to do, but there is a way that he could subtly suggest that this is what you have to worry about with more conservative you know, if the other guy wins. bomb line. >> use it to motivate the critical latino voters in
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arizona and elsewhere. thanks so much. governor romney just happened to be in arizona today for a fund-raiser but he's pretty low key about the supreme court decision and hasn't reacted on camera yet. in a statement he says "today's decision underscores the feed for a president holds work in a bipartisan fashion to pursue a national immigration strategy. president obama has failed he says to provide any leadership on immigration." political correspondent jim acosta has more now on governor romney's response. >> it's been interesting to watch the romney campaign all day long. keep in mind the campaign chartered a plane for the press to follow the candidate along. all this week as the supreme court decisions were coming down but when the arizona immigration ruling came out of the supreme court, the initial reaction from the romney campaign was cautious. romney put out that statement but did not say one way or the other whether he agrees or disagrees with the supreme court decision. on the campaign plane as evers getting in his ride over to a private funds raiser here in
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scottsdale, arizona, his traveling press secretary back on the plane to talk to reporters and peppered for a good seven minutes. does romney agree with this decision, does he not agree with that decision. rick did not say either way and finally at this fund-raiser just a couple hours ago here in scottsdale, mitt romney did expand on that supreme court decision. he said that he was disappointed that the high court did not give more latitude to the states to enforce their laws. he wishes they had been given that latitude. but that was really as far as he went in criticizing the supreme court decision showing a lot of deference to the high court. what mitt romney did do all day long in that statement and then at the fund-raiser later on in the afternoon, he went after the president blaming president obama for not getting immigration reform passed when he had a democratic house and senate. according to the romney campaign, the reason why the immigration system is in the place it is in right now is because of president obama's inability to get immigration reform passed when he had the chance.
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john? >> jim acosta. .jan brewer calls the supreme court decision a victory. is this just the beginning of more legal action against her state's controversial law? she joins us live now from phoenix. you called this a victory. the provision where the police can asking somebody if they have reasonable reason to believe they're in this country unillegal remainses in effect. your state has a large and growing latino population. many of them are afraid and believe they will be profiled. how can you assure them they will not be? >> first and foremost let me say it was a victory today. the court unanimously upheld the portion of that section, and that is a victory for the rule of law and it is a victory for the people of arizona and for america and for the tenth amendment. and i can assure you that we will uphold the law in every manner that we are mandated by. we know that racial profiling is
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against the law. and we put that specifically into the rule. and into the law. and we have instructed our law enforcement bill training through az post what it means. and that the people would have the right to sue those people if racial profiling is happening out there. you know, our officers, our law enforcement officers uphold the law every day. and they have always been there to investigate when people commit crimes. and they don't profile. so it has nothing to do with racial profiling. it's about the rule of law. >> as you know, governor, your relationship with the obama administration has not been very good and i'm putting it mildly there. i want to proceed a little bit from what the president said today. no american should ever live under a cloud of suspicion just because of what they look like. going forward we must ensure
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that arizona law enforcement officials do not enforce this law in a manner that undermines the civil rights of americans. let's clear the president has some trust issues with your state. just tonight, the justice department says it is setting up a hot line. if anyone in arizona thinks their civil rights are being violated they can call washington and complain. i suspect you think your battle with the administration is just entering a new round? >> i do. i think this is another assault on the state of arizona. it began with them downplaying our border problem and them not securing it. and then you know, suing the state of arizona for trying to protect the people of arizona and of america. then doing backdoor amnesty. and now rescinding only arizona's ability to use the 287 g. outrageous. >> let me, plain to people what -- >> fib me for interrupting. i want to explain what that is. washington re-enters into agreements with state and local police departments and says you
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can help us enforce federal immigration laws and the justice department today after this decision rescinded that agreement with your state. again, their position, governor, would be they don't trust your state, they see this law as somehow nefarious and believe they have to uphold the civil rights because they don't think you will. how can you assure them that's not the case? >> they took an oath. president took an oath to uphold the laws of the united states of america and unanimously the supreme court ruled that you senate bill 1070, the portion that deals with i.d., was upheld and immediately, three hours after the decision was made, then they arbitrary single out arizona and sent a bomb, if you will, across our bow and made arizona once again a target. the people of america ought to be outraged. this is absolutely an assault. >> as you know, governor, the court did not say we liking this
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section. what the court said is this is allowing the police to ask for documentation if they've stopped somebody for a traffic violation for some offense and then have reason to believe the person might be illegally in the country. the court essentially said go ahead and implement it and there may be other challenges that we can't judge till we see it happen in practice. i assume you know full well as you implement this that the eyes of the courts and perhaps even the eyes of the world will still be on your state. >> we knew that this wasn't the ends of our journey but we certainly didn't think it was going to end with the rescinding of the 287 g program. and to single out arizona by themselves is just simply an assault because they know that they haven't done their job and we need our border secured. and you know, as far as i'm concerned, this is all politically motivate and it's unfortunate because if you can do this by fiat, what else can
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he do? it's out of control. >> you're declaring victory because that one enforcement provision was left in place but three other contested parts were left out and the court essentially said that there are lines and that those three cases the court said you were crossing the line into what is the federal government's purview. do you accept that decision from the court even though i suspect you disagree with it? >> we have always worked with the federal government in enforcing federal law. but the heart of the law, the court upheld. and then the federal government, the president and homeland security, three hours after a unanimous vote, they selected to make arizona a target. and rescinded 287. you know, the people of america ought to be alarmed. >> can you appeal that, governor? or are you essentially on your own now? >> i guess what he's telling us is arizona, you're on your own. take it or leave it. you know? i guess he doesn't think we're part of the country anymore.
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>> governor jan brewer. >> pretty outrageous. >> we appreciate your time tonight. i suspect this battle will continue. as you know, as you plymouth this law, the federal government pretty much serving notice it's going to keep an eye on your state. we'll see you soon. thanks so much. you've heard both sides claim victory. unnext, i'll ask the chairman of the are hispanic caucus who he thinks won. plus, syria takes down one turkish jet and now turkey is asking nato to do something about it. ♪... ♪...
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thank you, mr. davies. i have to know the weather patterns. i upgraded to the new sprint direct connect. so i can get three times the coverage. [ chirp ] [ manager 2 ] it's like working in a giant sandbox with all these huge toys. and with the fastest push-to-talk... i can keep track of them all. [ chirp ] [ chirp ] [ male announcer ] upgrade to the new "done." with access to the fastest push-to-talk and three times the coverage. now when you buy one kyocera duracore rugged phone, for $49.99, you'll get four free. visit a sprint store, or call 855-878-4biz. [ chirp ] who won the supreme court battle over arizona's immigration law? it depends on who you ask. three key provisions were tossed out by the court but the justices did uphold the show me your papers provision. let's get the democratic and latino viewpoint. congressman gonzales is chairman of the congress counsel hispanic
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caucus. they did leave in place the show me your papers provision, what was viewed as most controversial by most latino activists. what is your sense of what that means going forward not just in arizona but in other states that have similar provisions? >> if you think of who the winner was, i say it was the rule of law, the supreme law of the united states and that's the constitution of the united states. it said no state is going to be above the constitution. and i know the governor said people are thinking that arizona is not part of this country. i think they were reminded today that they are, in fact, part of this country. that the constitution does in fact apply to the state of arizona as well as other states. they may want to venture where arizona has been. >> but the court threw out three provisions. which the court essentially said arizona was trying to take steps to enforcement that belongs as i an federal purview. but in an alouing this show me
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papers provision to go forward, they said we don't know the enough about it. it has to be plenlted. we have to much wa to see whether it can be done in a way that doesn't violate the civil rights. you heard the governor say there will not be racial profiling in my state. do you believe her. >> can't do it. you know based on the color of the skin of the person that is stopped and it may be a pretext stop, they're going to make some sort of reasonable suspicion here that this person is not here legally. what does that mean? it probably means that person is going to be an hispanic because that's the whole target of this particular law. it's going to be ethnic profiling on a grand scale. and justice roberts at the outset of oral argument in this case indicated, he said this is not about profiling. that's for another day. and that's what we're all going to end up and my prediction is that the other shoe will drop and that this fourth provision
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will be ruled unconstitutional. >> i assume you mean there will be other legal challenges. governor romney says this is all the president's fault and says the president had two years with a democratic house and senate. he could have had national immigration reform pep says "because he didn't act, states and low cats have tried to act and now the court is trying to get into it and sort things out and it's a muddle. it's a muddle because he failed to do what he said he would do." does the president share responsibility for muddle as governor romney says? >> governor romney shows better. if you look at the history of immigration reform, it has not been the democrats in congress that bushed back. it has been the republicans. i would think that if governor romney wishes to approach this issue in good faith, he would talk to members of his own party. obviously, he's not doing that.
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>> what is your guess on the potential motivation impact? there were some people who thought if the law was upheld completely, it would greatly motivate the latino community. what's your sense on political impact. >> i apologize with the earpiece. the way i look at it, of course it's going to energize the latino communities. you're saying why is immigration so important to latinos? it impacts all latinos. not all latinos are undocumented obviously. some were here before the founding of this nation but we're all impacted by it. how else do you explain in high school stadiums where you have students chanting arizona, arizona, or usa, usa, when is a basketball team takes the court and it happened to the latino students? american citizens from across the city. this has a poisonous effect in our society.
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yes, that generates interest and enthusiasm. why wouldn't it if you're latino. >> appreciate your insights tonight. we'll stay in touch as this plays out. appreciate your joining us on this important day. >> appreciate it. >> hear the truth why the supreme court's decision on the law isn't making the president or his challenger happy. first widespread storms from tropical storm debby. the storm's relentless fury.
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this half hour, syria defense saluting down a turkish fighter jet. what's going on in the skies above that border? the supreme court okays arizona's show me your papers rule. we're talking about what happens
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now and what it means for other states with similar laws. >> president obama, details of his first date and his advice for all the single men out there. >> and often when the supreme court speaks, it ends the discussion about whether a law is constitutional. how it should be enforced but today's big decision on arizona's immigration law while it set aside some controversial provisions it leaves some big questions going forward. what the look at that, i think we're going to walk away. that doesn't happen all that often. what the court said is that arizona can enforce a show me your papers provision. that means if an officer pulls somebody over and has reen to believe they could be in the country illegally, they can ask them for documentation. five other states have similar laws. every now and then technology fails us. let's bring in our senior legal
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analyst jeffrey toobin who never fails us. the court sayses in arizona, you can try this. a bit skeptical if you read the decision. we'll see if you can enforce this in a way that does not -- implement this in a way that doesn't violate people's rights. what is the next key test? >> this is really what's peculiar about the decision is that the three provisions that are declared unconstitutional are not all that different from the show me your papers provision which is upheld. so the amount of guidance to the states is really somewhat limited. one thing is clear is that the states cannot establish a bigger penalty for the same violation as the federal government, and that would invalidate some of the provisions that these other states have tried. but these laws are all somewhat different from one another. and it is not precisely clear to me what's in and what's out after the opinion. >> when you hear tonight the justice department a strongly
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worded statement from the attorney general. the justice department is setting up a hot line saying anyone in arizona, you think your civil rights are being violated call and report it us to us. there's a lot of mitt trust between washington and the state. >> that's right. the law that's upheld says it's okay to check for someone's immigration status if you have a legitimate stop and have a reasonable suspicion that they are illegally in the country. what's reasonable suspicion that someone's illegally in the country? that is not spelled out in the law. arizona has said it's training its officer foz behave appropriately. it's a lot to ask of police officers. you can be sure some of this is going to be controversial when it starts to be applied. >> some of it will end up back in the courts. >>s in short order. >> you're in the room today. the justices go through this. in the arizona case, one of the more conservative justices dissents quite strongly. in doing so, justice antonin
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scalia did not only take offense with the ruling on the arizona law but with current actions by the democratic president of the united states, the president deciding by executive action not to deport younger illegal immigrants and to let them get work papers. justice scalia writes the president said in his news conference the new program is the right thing to do. but to say as the court does that arizona contradicts federal law by enforcing applications of the immigration act that the president declines to enforce boggles the mind. several other things he said were pretty political. >> he said that at one point if this decision had come before arizona decided to join the union, it would not have joined the union, presumably i guess according to scalia, arizona would have joined mexico instead. talk about boggling the mind. he did sound like you mentioned earlier that he might have been auditioning for the vice presidency, perhaps a show on fox. both of them seem possibilities.
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>> i think he likeses his job right where he is. one other decision that's not getting as much attention. it was the campaign finance decision. if you look at the american traditional shall partnership versus bullock, a very important decision related to the citizens united decision which allowed the free flow of money into campaigns. >> in citizens units, as you may remember, it said corporations have first amendment rights to support candidates of their choice. montana under montana law said we don't want to do that. we want corporations to be banned from participating. the court in a one-paragraph opinion 5-4 again said montana may not bar corporations from contributing to their campaigns. corporations have first amendment rights. they are doubling down on citizens united not backing away from it. >> only the congress can change that. >> not really. that's the thing. only the supreme court can change it.
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congress tried with mccain-feingold. there is really not much anybody can do about campaign finance now except the supreme court, this court. >> this court and they're not backing away. >> counselor toobin will be here all week. the big health care decision which the court said it will announce on thursday, we'll talk again thursday about that. turning overseas now, we're monitoring a deepening crisis between syria and turkey tonight. now we're learning syria may have fired on another turkish fighter jet. both countries telling very different stories about what happened in the skies each pointing the finger at the other. now turkey is asking nato to do something. so a senior fellow and director of the turkish research program at the washington institute for near east policy, sir, turkey goes to nato. if turkey goes in, are they asking for military assistance, diplomatic assistance? where might this head? >> it's a key meeting going to be held tomorrow.
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when turkey goes to nato, they'll ask for the alliance to come to turkey's defense as per article five of the charter says when a member country countries is attacked, the other member countries has to come to its defense. last time they went to nato, france and germany blocks the alliance from extending protection to turkey. it's really important this time what the alliance says tomorrow because if the alliance says no again, turkey will probably not join any international action. r so i think what nato says tomorrow is going to have long-term impact on turkey's willingness to act with nato and with the u.s. on syria. >> turkey for years has had at least a cordial, a productive if not always happy relationship with its neighbor syria. there has been communication. that broke off sometime ago when prime minister was upset about assad continuing with the killing. what happens now if you mention
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if nate toe doesn't support turkey, turkey won't be part of any international response. turkey has been key if there's anything to be brokered. where is this headed? turkey is the only nato ally that borders is syria. it's the biggest country in the region. it's harder if turkey is not on board. i think that turkey is now probably the fiercest opponent of assad's policies and its crackdown on the demonstrators. turks are expecting the western alliance and nato and the united states to back them up so that they won't be left alone. i think although turkey very much opposes assad's crack down, it will not take action unilaterally because they don't want to be bogged down if they're fighting only and they want to make sure that washington and brussels that nato is behind them, as well. that's why i think tomorrow is as a key meeting for the alliance. this is the only time that the alliance history that turkey has -- the second time in fact it's asked for a joint decision
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and i know people in washington are probably supporting that but it's important to see what european countries say, france and germany and others which blocked last time the idea of nato extending protection to turkey. >> when you hear the wildly different perspectives from turkey and syria about what happened, does that surprise you at all? >> we know that the turkish plane was in syrian air space. they also say the airplane was fired at after it left syrian air space and that typically what countries do when they see such a violation is warn the turkeyish plane was not warned. there's an element of hostility here. i don't think this is accidental. syrians have been hostile toward turkey for a while because turkey supports the uprising. syrians have gone into the border with turkey. it's not the first, quote unquote, accidental firing from syria into turkey. he'll we'll probably see similar
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incidents where there's minor skirmishes and firings and shootings and what have you. tomorrow's decision whether or not nato stands on firm ground to defend turkey and to say that the alliances with a member country is key, tal probably make assad think twice next time he shoots at turkeying. >> soner cagaptay, thank you sir. the truth about why neither candidate is fully happy with the supreme court's arizona immigration rule. [ manager 1 ] out here in the winds, i have to know the weather patterns. i upgraded to the new sprint direct connect.
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truth is, neither candidate is fully happy with the supreme court tonight, but for opposite reasons. president obama is happy the high court tossed out three provisions in the 2010 immigration law known as sb 1070.. the court for now said the state can allow police officers to ask for documentation if they have reason to believe someone is in the country illegally. the president said i remain concerned about the practical impact of the remaining provision of the arizona law that requires local law enforcement officials to check the immigration status of anyone they even suspect to be here illegally. republican mitt romney thinks the high court should have left arizona to its own devices and says i would have preferred to see the court give more latitude to states, not less. he said that at a fund-raising event in scottsdale tonight. he went on to say that immigration law has become a muddle, his word. you can decide which candidate you believe has the right policy ideas on this issue but he's right when the he says it didn't have to be this way.
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he blames president obama for that saying he hasn't consistently pushes the congress. there's some truth to that. republicans also have refused to discuss most immigration related issues hiding behind their secure the border first slogan. slogans don't solve problems. conversations do and sometimes compromise. both parties could use a refresher course in the art of legislating but it won't happen before the election. president obama has a commanding lead among latinos at the moment. and governor romney tends to be cautious when it comes to immigration politics knowing any effort to reach out to the usts latinos to soften his tone risks alienating the conservative gop base. yes, immigration policies are a muddle. and the politics of immigration, let's begin there tonight with the cnn senior national journal political director and anlis ron brownstein. republican separatist rich galen and cnn political contributor maria cordone na.
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maria, in the sense that three out of four of the contested provisions get tossed so the white house claims victory, the one and most controversial provision stays in, the governor of arizona, you heard her tonight on the program, she claims victory. when you talk to your friends in the latino community, what's their take? >> they're really happy this administration took on this law. they're very upset that this fourth provision stays in place. the one from the very beginning they were most concerned about it for the same reasons that president obama is concerned about it. i think politically, it really puts romney in a continued uncomfortable immigration box that he put himself in during the primaries when he said he would veto the d.r.e.a.m. act and called sb 1070 a model for the nation and has yet said whether he would take away the policy president obama put in place. for president obama, it's the best of both worlds politically because can claim victory but yet that one provision also mobilize the latino vote in
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support of president obama. >> do you agree with that, take rich? how. >> other than the last part. >> i mean, but i don't know that. i'm not latino. so i have to bow to that. here's what i think that the real effect of this may be is that on thursday, if the supreme court knocks out some or all of obama care, it's going to be very difficult for the white house to do their rending of the flesh act saying that this is a politically motivated court. i think today's decision gave chief justice roberts a broad mandate for whatever's going to come out thursday. i think maybe it takes them both off the table. >> i think that's very smart. >> this is a hard issue because if the congress hasn't been able to solve it, you go back to president bush when he had john mccain, the late senator kennedy tried. what do people think of the arizona law, 84% of republicans like it, only 41% of democrats approve of it. six out of ten independents. that's what you look at in a tough election year.
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69% of whites say they approve the arizona immigration law, only 40% of african-americans, when you're looking at the politics, the policy, governor romney chose the right word. it is a muddle. when you look at the politics this one's hard. >> this specific provision has broad support overall. two-thirds of americans do support the provision upheld on showing your papers. as you noted it was barely upheld. the court sent a clear shot across the bow saying the courts will be watching how you enforce this is not only for racial profiling but whether there's excessive detention involved. the politics are complicated. on the one hand, you have a clear rick for the republicans among hispanics. you saw the poll today, obama has the potential to exceed his 67% votes from the '08 among hispanics even though the up employment rate in the latino community is the 60%. i thought it was very revealing he didn't gets as far as did he
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in his debate with you in arizona. i said in arizona, i will drop this lawsuit on day one. that certainly implies a belief that the federal government should not be challenging his policy. if he was not that clear today as he was in the debate back in february, i think there's a muddle there as well as they're struggling to figure out how to swear the circle. >> he can't do much of anything. he's probably now huddled with chris kovach, the author of the law who is also one of his senior advisers. latinos understand that. he has to get to a point where he can get a little bit more support from the latino voters or he's never going to make it to the white house. >> if you look at the portions of the white community most unhappy about illegal immigration and demographic change, republicans are moving toward historic numbers with those voters. midwest. >> nevada or new mexico in exchange for pennsylvania or wisconsin. >> i hate this. i think we're better than this. to single out any group either
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as a protected class or a group that should be beat up but not beat up, singled out for particular attention by the police, i think is dangerous. i think it's awful and i this i we're better than this and we should aim -- >> we need comprehensive immigration reform which the majority of americans support. >> everyone stand by. erin burnett coming up at the top of the hour. you'll continue this conversation about the immigration ruling with a big supporter of the arizona law. tell us about it. >> sheriff arpaio is our guest tonight, the man who a lot of people see as synonymous with the arizona immigration law. we're going to talking whether he thinks, john, this is a victory in terms of being able to show your papers or whether he thinks it's a loss that a few key few of the key provisions were struck down. obviously he's the man everyone wants to hear from. and we're going to hear from him at the top of the hour. plus, the story everyone is talking about, men and women, john. more hits on the atlantaic
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website on this story than any other story in that magazine's history. the headline is why women still can't have it all written by a former senior member of the obama administration, ann marie slaughter, and she is going to be my guest tonight. >> looking forward to both of those conversations. see you in a few minutes. an olympic first. female athletes from saudi arabia now allowed to go for the gold. there are a lot of warning lights and sounds vying for your attention. so we invented a warning you can feel. introducing the all-new cadillac xts. available with a patented safety alert seat. when there's danger you might not see, you're warned by a pulse in the seat. it's technology you won't find in a mercedes e-class.
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find out how it can work for yours at thenewny.com. you just heard our discussion about the arizona immigration supreme court ruling. let's move on the economy. the issue we think will be the most important issue in this campaign. president obama was up in new mexico today, and during a speech up there, new hampshire, he talked about an article printed last week questioning governor romney's career at bain capital, the private equity firm that according to some recent reports was active making money by outsourcing jobs overseas. here's the president's take. >> so yesterday his advisers were asked about this and they tried to clear this up by telling us there's actually a difference between outsourcing and offshoring. that's what they said. you cannot make this stuff up. >> a clear effort, ron
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brownstein to essentially say you might be mad at my record, the state of the economy, but this guy is worse. >> choice or referendum, that's the battle we're going through every day. every day romney wants to say this issue, this election has one issue. are you better off than you were four years ago? do you think obama wants the issue to be much more broadly a choice between these individuals, their values, experiences. this is a chance to say primarily to the white working class voters who are tough on the president that mitt romney is someone that you can't trust. >> none of that matters if the unemployment rate sticks at 8.2%, 8.3%. if the unemployment rate at the end of august, early september is still in the over 8%, none of that -- that's not going to work. >> there have been a debate among some democrats as to whether the bain strategy is a good strategy. what do you think? >> i have always thought it is a good strategy regardless of what the democratic elite think. and i've sat in on some focus
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groups of independent women who really did not know anything about mitt romney other than they have heard that he was this guy who was head of a company that basically shipped jobs overseas and that scared them. and i think it really also goes to whether he is capable of creating jobs. let's remember, this is not an attack on equity or private equity or wealth. it is an attack on mitt romney, basically saying that because he was at bain that makes him best -- >> he wants -- he wants to take all his time -- >> romney -- >> priorities. >> even not with his priority, he created more jobs than barack obama ever created total in his whole life. >> his focus is creating wealth. >> the schizophrenic response in polling, more people say obama cares about them, but still more people say mitt romney would be better for the economy overall. >> we'll continue this conversation. >> it'll be interesting. >> thanks for coming in. lisa sylvester back with the latest news you need to know right now. hi there, john. we're following news just coming in about the fast and furious
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scandal. a gop leadership aide tells kate bolduan that the house is expected to vote on thursday on whether to hold eric holder in contempt of congress for refusing to turn over documents related to the botched gun operation. and wall street stocks took a beating, the selloff driven by fears over europe's debt crisis. the dow plummeted 138 points, the s&p 500, and the nasdaq both closed almost 2% lower. investors are worried eu leaders will fail to find a game-changing solution during their two-day summit. and the 2012 olympics in london will break new ground for the first time saudi arabia will allow female athletes to participate in the games. the international olympic committee has been in talks with the kingdom to allow women to compete and act as officials. they will also send women to the games for the first time. a lot of women out there probably very pleased to hear that news, john. >> i think that's great. it'll be worth looking forward to the games to see how they do.
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lisa, stay put. you'll have to help me on this one. tonight's moment you may have missed. president obama and the first lady dishing about their first date. it involved a walk, a meal, and a movie. >> then we went to see "do the right thing." >> spike lee, had just come out. >> just come out. >> showed all the signs, he was hip, cutting edge, cultural, sensitive, the fountain, nice touch, the walk, patient. >> take tips, gentlemen. >> in case you don't remember, "do the right thing" was about racial tensions in new york back in the 1980s. ♪ can't stand it ♪ you can't stand it >> hey, sir -- >> little clip there, remember? seems movies were a popular first date for men running for president. a few months back ann romney gushed about her first date with her future husband. she was just 15 years old when mitt romney took her to see this movie. ♪ the hills are alive with the sound of music ♪
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>> very, very, very, very different movies, but if there's one take away, right, at least for the gentlemen out there, dinner and a movie? >> i think you're absolutely right. and you know what comes across to me is just how much both couples actually seem very much in love. maybe there is something to be said, john, about that whole dinner and movie something to it, john. >> dinner, date, movie, dinner, date, movie. michelle and barack, the campaign's starting to get a little mileage. >> she usually gushes about her husband. kudos again to both couples. it's always nice to see something like that, john. >> not going to put them on the spot, but our movie critics were making comments during all of that. we'll see you right back here tomorrow night, same bad time, same bad channel, "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, the supreme
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court rejects parts of arizona's immigration law. a man synonymous with that law, sheriff joe arpaio outfront tonight. and the streets of chicago looking and sounding like a battlefield. the numbers staggering, more than 200 have died so far this year, more than the american soldiers dead in afghanistan. what is being done about it? and why it doesn't add up. and breaking news, the growing threat of extremists within the united states military. we have brand new and alarming numbers tonight from the fbi. let's go "outfront." well, good evening, everyone, i'm erin burnett, and "outfront" tonight, show me your papers. show them to me. four simple words, that mean a lot tonight in arizona and around the world. depending on how you look at it or whose spin you believe, the supreme court's ruling today on the controversial arizona immigration lawav