picked up 20 meninches of rain. it's still flooding right now. we're still trying to get crews into these areas to see how bad it is. east of panama city, near the panhandle of florida, but not all the way to jacksonville. this is the latest, the 11:00 advisory, east at 3 miles an hour. it doesn't even make landfall until 8:00 tomorrow morning and it's only about 60 miles away from shore. it's going to take a long time to get across the body here of florida, then back out into the ocean and then eventually turning on up into the northeast. and when it gets out here, these are spinning again, because it turns into a tropical storm again, even though it did hit land out here, the water is warm enough to see that take place. what we watched last night on cnn, this area here, that entire area is talking about 20 inches

plus? where is that water going to go? it's going to flood. the flooding was tremendous, it's a state of emergency there, in the counties south of tallahassee, they're asking people, please don't drive, some of the roads aren't there, some of the bridges don't exist anymore. the roads are gone, the flooding has taken them away. now the rain has spread across i-10, parts of i-10 are closed earlier today and i think they still are. and as this rain moves across the state, all of this rain will fill in here across parts of florida and just like we had yesterday, the potential for small tornadoes, when these storms come in, they don't make f-5 tornadoes, but they do make small ones. yesterday we had seven tornadoes come onshore. now from too much water to too much heat across the west, hot, dry, windy conditions making things really tough for firefighters that are battling those wildfires in utah, new

mexico, and colorado. at least a dozen fires are burning across that state right now. jim spellman is there, he's actually near the waldo canyon fire, are these guy going to get any relief any time soon? >> reporter: boy, at the very minimum, a few days. another red flag warning day, that means high winds, low humidity and we're starting to see a little more activity. this particular fire near colorado springs has burned and they still only have 5% containment. this fire could go on for another three weeks and it could double in size. >> the air force academy is there, right? is that being threatened at all? >> reporter: not at the moment, but that's one of their big concerns, it's to the north and that's the way the winds are blowing. they're building lines to keep

it from getting up there, and before you get to the air force academy, is a huge stand of timber that could go up like that with these kind of conditions. that's one of the main things they want to try to protect. >> james spellman, thanks. currently 24 fires across the country have burned more than 561,000 acres. of all the times that i have been live in iraq, what went through your mind? >> this is the geographic south pole. ♪ rocky, rocky mountain high ♪ ♪ all my exes live in texas ♪ ♪ born on the bayou [ female announcer ] the perfect song for everywhere can be downloaded almost anywhere. ♪ i'm back, back in the new york groove ♪ [ male announcer ] the nation's largest 4g network. covering 2,000 more 4g cities and towns than verizon. rethink possible.

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phone. a tough talk from nato members talking about syria shooting down a turkish fighter jet. turkey now saying they'll consider any approach by syria to us borders -- both turkey and syria, do agree on one point, the jet, like this one you see here, did enter syrian air space, but turkey insist it was an accident and there was no reason to attack. ivan, today's meeting, just saber rattling or can we expect some type of retaliation? >> i think it's too early to talk about retaliation, what's going on right now is turkey is using it's international diplomacy, trying to marshall international support as well as here within turkey among

different political factions forewhatever steps are next. and the turkish prime minister announced one of those steps in a speech before parliament, he says turkey is changing the rules of engagement for its army. basically saying that every the syrian military crosses its borders, they can respond in kind. they mentioned that syrian helicopters have crossed into turkish air space more than five times over the course of this year. if i was a syrian helicopter pilot, i would be very nervous in the weeks and months ahead about any accidental slip into turkish air space now that the turks have seen their warplane shot down and two of their pilots now feared dead after this incident on friday. >> so is the search still on to find the crew? >> that's right, the search is still ongoing and because the

plane crashed within syrian territorial waters, there still has to be some coordination from the turkish search and rescue operation and the syrians to allow the turks to operate in that area. and just to give you a sense of how tense things were on friday when syrian anti-aircraft guns shot down this turkish jet, the turks are saying one of their rescue planes was fired at on friday, a second time by syrian anti-aircraft defenses as it rushinged to the area to look for the reconnaissance jet and it's two pilots that have now been missing now four days later. more fighting and killington ground in syria today. anti-government activists say at least 15 people were killed by heavy fighting in the damascus

suburbs. we're talking about back here in the states, tropical storm debby is toll inching east toward florida, turning about 85 miles from shore and if one thing is clear, it's rain, rain and more rain on the way. we're talking about widespread flooding, power outages and tornadoes, and it could be days before florida and other southern states get it any relief. rick scott has already declared a state of emergency. here's what he had to say about the situation. >> we're going to have a lot more rain, we have flooding, we have downed power lines, we have about 30,000 customers without power. so we have got a very good state emergency response team and local emergency response teams, we are ready for these things because of hurricanes. we're working hard to make sure that floridians are prepared and makesing sure they're very cautious. >> john zarrella is on the ground in tampa, florida.

john what do you think? it wasn't looking good yesterday, any worse today? >> reporter: certainly no better, kyra and you can see behind me now, this is not a lake, this is bay shore drive, this is tampa, one of the main arteries in tampa. it is low tide and it is under water and has been under water and shut down for a couple of days now. this is not rain water flooding, this is tidal flooding, you can see that, the bay behind me, you see the waves breaking across the barrier there. and again, this is low tide. come about 6:00 or 7:00 tonight, where i'm standing will even be deeper in water and the flow just continues to race down and what's in this direction, kyra? that's the convention center, about 400 yards away from me and the arena there, the quorum, where the republican national convention is going to be held, starting around the 20th, 22nd of august.

one of the big concerns and they did hurricane drills to prepare for this, was what if they had a tropical system in that area during the convention. you can see what would happen on one of the main arteries leading to the convention site. this is what they would have to deal with. i'm sure there are a lot of people over there with a lot of sweat on their brow right now, just hoping and praying that there isn't a tropical system like this in the neighborhood come convention time. but again, very serious flooding, the road is shut down and in fact here right across the street from where i am, earlier today they tried to rescue a manatee. the mother manatee perished, she died. they pulled the carcass out of the water and the smaller manatee actually swam off, they're hoping that those two will be okay. wildlife officials and city divers were all here in case they had to make a water rescue

attempt for the manatee. you can see low tide, that is the bay, tampa bay over there, so some very serious flooding they're dealing with here and all along the coastline from here north, around the big bend of florida because what you're getting is tidal flooding t right side of the storm pushing all this water inland as the storm approaches, even as weak as this tropical storm is, still, a lot of flooding associated with it. >> john, you have been covering this area for quite a long time and you know how the state can respond. and we were all just as we were looking at these pictures, saying, wait a minute, the conventions are in tampa, which -- and then you started to explain, this is the main area that would lead you to the spot,

so is there a contingency plan, or what's your sense? >> reporter: yeah, there's other roadways in which you can get in here, but one of the things i was talking to a diver a little while ago, a police diver was saying, one of the big concerns is that as far as he can tell, he doesn't recall ever a convention being this close to the water. because i remember in the '60s, the democrats held their convention on miami beach, but that's going way back. you've got all of these rivers, all of these inlets here and they all run around the backside of the convention center and around the back site of the forum, so there is a genuine concern about, not just the in fact that you have tropical systems come through here, but that they have to protect the water from any kind of threats that might be out there as well. so a lot of things that they have got to deal with when you put water in the mix, and this

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trying to rose coup a person who's trapped. >> we come from a mining town where a mine rescue never game up on their people. they didn't matter how hard it was, they stuck it out. they were there. mr. hamilton, you know that, you never left a man under ground, ever. they made sure they got those men out. and they did everything in their power. and if mr. needles can't do it, why can't woe get a mine rescue team in here? >> what's the plan right now? >> reporter: well, yesterday, the rescuers pulled out, they felt that the situation was just too dangerous inside this building, they were worried that the structure could collapse on those rescuers, and as you mentioned, there was outrage in this town. so officials have decided to go at it again, but they're going

to try a different strategy, they're going to go at it from the outside, with big cranes, perhaps get into the building that way, to remove big debris that they feel are causing the building to collapse. it's kind of like a house of cards, they're not sure when they start pulling these pieces out whether the whole thing is going to come in. they're not sure how many people could be trapped inside. they heard signs of left this morning, so they're still holding out hope. >> we don't know how many people may be trapped. talk about the signs of life. talk about what the rescuers saw, heard? >> first of all, a couple of days ago they heard some tapping and then yesterday morning they put in a piece of equipment and they could actually detect someone was breathing underneath the concrete slab that fell in when the roof collapsed. they know someone is alive, but

they don't know who it is. that was yesterday morning at 4:00. we talked to one gentleman here today, his fiance was inside that mall, she's been missing for three days now. he's hoping that's her breathing underneath that rubble. rescuers are concerned the structure will come in. they're bringing in cranes, they're bringing in robotics used in mine rescues, they're doing everything else they can possibly do to see if they can't safely get into this building and get people out alive. >> the man said that he thought his fiance was trapped and he believed she was doing some tapping and why he knew it was her, was because they used to tap a code to each other as sort of a love note? >> reporter: it's heart breaking talking to him as he was telling the story, yeah, she used to tap a certain number of times and he

would tap back and he had this pattern thing, so when he heard the rescues talking about that they heard tapping, he's convinced that that has got to be his fiance, a woman in her 30s, they're due to be married, and he's just been standing out here today there,'s really nothing else he can do except stand here, wait and hope that these rescuers could get in here and hope that she's the one that's still alive. >> john, thanks.

for all of us who have been cam moring -- a four-game

playoff plan drawn up by the bcs commissioners is now in the lap of four university presidents who are expected to give a yea or a nay today. if approved, it will go into effect during the 2014 season. among the most contentious, how will the four teams be selected and when and where will they play. carlos diaz here to help us sort it all out. where do we begin? >> so many questions, ask me whatever you want to ask me. they're going to meet at 3:00, they're going to have 24 guys around the table. you're going to have one president from each power conference, and notre dame's president there. and they're going to talk -- the presidents of the bcs are going to give to the presidents of the university. the proposal, they're going to say a four-game playoff would be wise, it would be lucrative.

and that's what it's about, money, we're not talking millions, we're talking billions of dollars in revenue for a plaintiff system. that's why this is going to get done today. >> it's new year's day 2015. >> how does this impact the bowl games? >> some people say it would lessen the bowl games, say you have the rose bowl and the orange bowl, those would be semifinal games and those two games would play in an as yet unnamed game to determine the champion. but it is a situation where that bowl game would go out to the highest bidding city in america. so you might have dallas, you might have indianapolis, you might have a city that's not hosted a bowl in the past, host this big bowl game which means

even more revenue that the big san diego game. >> okay, what about the fans? do you think they'll be happy with four games versus eight or 16? >> here's the analogy. fans want this, okay, so they'll take whatever they can get. it's a four-game playoff, they want five. of course they want an eight-team playoff and maybe a 16-team playoff. but for now, four teams will be fine. >> who's going to get the tv deal? all the networks will be clamoring for that. >> espn's got to be in line for it. but it's big money for college football. and college is more controversy, the controversy is well now we're talking about billions of dollars, what about paying these athletes, so that's going to

come into play. how are you going to determine these teams, they're talking about a four team council. it's not like when the committee chooses the 68 teams in the basketball -- in march madness, you've got 68 teams, the 69th team, you know, it's neither here nor there, but you're talking about four teams for football. so the fifth ranked team will be left out. that's going to cause some controversy. and the word now is that the game determining the national champion will actually be played on new year's day. wait, carlos is shaking his head. [ male announcer ] this is sheldon, whose long dy setting up the news

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i got a question for you, a mac or a pc person? because according to "the wall street journal," the travel website is using your answer to that question to determine what hotels they show you up front. if you're a mac user, you could be seeing the most expensive hotel options, while, get this, your hotel counter parts are staring at the cheaper ones. allison kosik is at the new york stock exchange, allison, lay it out, what's the deal? >> what really happens is that what companies like or bits is trying to do is to kilter to people's spending habits. orbitz says that what it's found is that mac users wind up spending 30% more on

accommodations than if you're using a pc. and "the wall street journal" is saying that orbitz is actually sending them to the more expensive hotels. what orbitz tells us is that they're not charging anyone more money, the prices are all the same, they're just displaying the results in a different order. a pc user may get a certain hotel on page one of their results, it may show up on page 3 if you're a mack user. this story really grew out of our observation that mac users tend to like 4-5 star hotels more than pc users. whatever type of computer you wind up using to search, you can wind up with the same results. >> expedia, priceline and

travelo travelocity says -- they tell the journal that they actually pay very close attention if you're a iphone or an ipad user because they account for such a huge chunk of mobile sales. that's going to become more common. and it makes sense because if someone's willing to pay $600 on the an ipad, they have probably got a little extra cash to spend elsewhere. >> this raises questions about privacy, consumers and their rights. that's why we have the ceo of orbitz worldwide joining us live from chicago. appreciate you joining me today. let's go ahead and clear this up. are mac users actually being steered to pricier options compared to pc users when they search for these deals on your website? >> i want to be really clear, there's no way that we are

charging mac users more for the same hotels. that would be absolute nonsense, we love mac users, but what we have found, as our correspondent mentioned, that mac users are more likely to book 4-5 star hotels than pc users and mac users are more interested in spending money for high end computers. and our al gogorithms -- recommendations module is using to help customers cut through the clutter on the other fine hotels that are right for them. >> so does orbitz make a profit by doing this? >> well, our goal is to be able to serve customers as effectively as possible. we make money when customers book stuff on our site. if we're showing them the wrong hotel, we're not going to make

more money. our goal is to be able to meet our customer's need, to be able to help more customers. in many cities, customers are overwhelmed by the fact that there's hundreds of different hotels and our goal with our sort and recommendation algorithms is one to be able to find a hotel that's right for them. we're learning that we're making those recommendations based on what a lot of other similar customers book. >> what do you say to the critic who says this isn't just tayloring to the user, and the user's taste, but this is actually discrimination? >> i think this is absolute trying to recommend for customers what they are more likely to book. all of the hotels are available to all the users, you can sort by price, you can sort by alphabetical, you can sort by any hotel name. there's no way we're treating

mac or pc users any different, we love both. but our goal is to use technology to learn from the people who visit our websites every day, every week, every month. we are excited about using this potential to use the wisdom of the clouds to make the experience of booking travel better for consumers. if you're traveling with kids, versus if you're not traveling with kids, obviously if you're traveling with kids, are going to want a different type of amenity. and we're learning that people traveling with kids are going to buy. you ought to perhaps consider this hotel because it's got a pool or is near is beach. this is just one of a myriad examples of how we're making the site more customized and more relevant to our individual consumers. >> let's take a look at "the wall street journal" article because that obviously is what triggered the conversation here. and it found that overalthough tells on the first page of the mac search were about 11% more

expensive than they were on the pc. now you and i both know everything knows when you do searches, you usually go for that first recommendation, you think oh, that must be the better place, the nicer place, that's where i should go. so it really is an advantage to you, indeed, if you are making a profit off the pricier recommendation. >> the article got a little bit confused on a couple of topics. we're actually using the mac/pc flag, not in the sort logic, but in the recommendation logic. so the difference between those two searches, it could be the fact that they're signed in on one versus the other. i was just doing a test to somebody that was asking this question, oh, this hotel is cheaper on this site. we have in some cases exclusive member only deals that are available if you're signed in when you're doing a search. what we're actually doing right

now with the mac/pc flag, is that we're using that in the recommendations module. here are some hotels that are similar customers have booked after viewing this hotel. and if you're shopping on a mack versus a pc, we're going to show you a different kind of hotel. that's driven by the fact that mac users spend more for a hotel. >> if i search on orbitz for a hotel in miami beach, and i had my producer actually do a search from a pc computer. here's what popped up. so if someone was to do this from a mac computer, tell me, how would the options be different? >> actually, today, if you did a search on a mac computer and a pc computer, you would actually see the same results on the search results. if you had selected one particular hotel, and scrolled down the page at the hotel

recommendation module, people who use this hotel subsequently booked the following hotels, you might see different recommendations because we're taking into account what similar customers to you take into account when they're booking. the full details of the article are hidden behind the pay registration wall so most people who are commenting on it right now haven't seen the full details of what the article talks about, which may seem really clear. i do want to emphasize the same point. mac users and pc users that pay the same price. our goal is to show you hotels that you're most likely to be interested in and we're doing this based on similarities between customers. there are two big political races that we're watching for you today, one that could impact the house, and the other the senate.

charlie wrangle in new york, his district has been has been redrawn which has set him up for a five-way battle for the democratic nomination. wrangle who was famously citizen chured -- on the senate side orrin hatch is facing a tough challenge in his party. hatch has served in the senate for 35 years. ♪

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if you're leaving the house right now, just a reminder, you can continue watching cnn from your mobile phone, you can also continue watching cnn live from your desk top. so what makes you tick, for a lot of people, that actually starts in your childhood. there's a new book out that investigates obama's childhood. it's called "barack obama: the story." anyway, the book, let's get to it, and what did i just ask you

this right off the bat. we have been talking a lot about your book, all of us within the media. and no one has asked you, was there anything that really caught you completely off guard as you were working on this book? >> there were a few things like that. one was obama's grandmother madeleine dunham was always portrayed as the pragmatic rock of the family. and she was, in many ways she was the one who reared the president a lot of the time when his father was never there and his mother was off and gone. what i discovered was that she too was a closet alcoholic. when i talked to the president. he said that he loved to watch the show "mad men." and he said -- obama's grandmother rose from secretary to vice president of a bank. and i never knew that all of that time she was also suffering from alcohol. >> did he talk to you openly

about that? >> he did. and you know, i had intimations of it as i was reporting and the president acknowledged it in our interview. other things that surprised me like -- >> let me ask you something, did he say it was something that he was -- if someone in the family has it, a lot of members within the family will struggle with it. did he say i was concerned about that or i watch how i drink or my alcohol intake? >> he drinks moderately, he doesn't have that problem, it can be genetic, he doesn't have it. his addiction was to cigarettes, which he apparently broke in the white house. >> you were going on to another thought. >> well, you know, his father, barack obama sr. who came to hawaii as a student as the university. you know, his book is named "dreams of my father." and it was really when i started

doing research, was that president obama was lucky that he never lived with that man, he was not only -- he was abusive to all of his wooiives even to mother, but they were not together very long. >> you actually touched base with one of hiss former girlfriends and actually read her journals, right? he had mentioned i guess within this interview with his ex-girlfriend, that even though she was white, he always knew he needed a strong black woman. >> it was actually the girlfriend who saw that. she's the one that wrote, there's a strong black woman waiting for him out there somewhere. you see in barack obama's life, this long arc towards home, and finding himself, and his racial identity. as a biracial kid, with a white mother and a black father.

he goes to columbia and then he gets with this girlfriend who was white and she's the one that could see that as he's making that transition, that eventually he'll find that black woman. so michelle who's not even in my book is the magnet, you can see that he's reaching that magnet eventually. >> why do you think he felt that way or genevieve had that sense? >> probably because society forces that on people with dark skin, but he wasn't feeling that politically and never has. politically, he wrote a letter when he was 21 which sort of summarizes that, he said that all my friends are finding various niches and he's not satisfied with that, he has to embrace it all, meaning all races and all types of people. but speaking of home, he never really had a home. so to find that comfort level, he really only found it in chicago on the south side when he was sort of embraced by the african-american community. >> before i let you go, because

a lot of people wonder when they see someone on the air, they see someone in power. they say is that person really like that at home when they're relaxed and they're with the people that they love. do we get a sense that who we see is the man --? >> there's less of a different from barack obama than most of the politicians i have coffered. in public, he's sort of cool. in hawaii there's this cool head thing. and he sort of carries that public persona i think with his family he's much more comfortable and loose, but basically you see the same man publicly and privately. >> appreciate you stopping into atlanta today. thank you so much. and the book is on the shelves now. "barack obama: the story." i'm different. t jui, i've got nine grams of protein. twist my lid. that's three times more than me! twenty-one vitamins and minerals

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$1,200 for a surgical stapler, 280 bucks for an iv bag, it's part of the reason health care costs are soaring. cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta takes us inside the operating room for a pretty eye opening look at how much hospitals charge for basic items and why. >> one of the questions that comes up all the time is what about these hospital bills? how exactly do they break down? how do you make sense of it? no question, leaves a lot of people scratching their heads. i want to give you an example here by taking inside this operating room. this is the hospital where i work where i'm a neurosurgeon.

just having an operation performed in a room like this costs $3,000 an hour, for starters. come on in. give you a couple quick examples. if you look at a hospital bill, you might see an iv bag charge. it's an iv like this. about $280 just for the iv bag. that might strike people as very high. stapler. this is a stapler that's often used in surgery. something like this costs about $1,200. this is a chest tube. if someone has compression of one of their lungs they might need a chest tube like this that costs about $1,100. find examples like that really all over a room like this. suture, something used in just about every operating room in the world. this suture over here costs about $200. if you look at even devices like this is a needle that's used for biopsies. if there's a concern someone has a tumor they'd use a needle like this. this is going to cost about $800. it's important to keep in mind if you ask the manufacturers of a device like this, why so much money? they'll say, well, it took years to develop something like this. the research and development

costs are significants. also they're guaranteeing a certain level of effectiveness of this needle. that costs money as well. something maybe you didn't know. when you look at a hospital bill, it's not just the cost of the supplies. there's also administrative costs built in, there's the cost of covering people who simply don't have insurance or can't pay. that's built into these costs as well. and finally, keep in mind, that what is charged and what is ultimately paid are two very different numbers. >> the typical hospital collects about 4% of every dollar that they -- about 4 cents of every dollar that they bill. so it's not coming out in massive profits. it's coming out as a result of underpayment from the government. >> i'll tell you, you know, the cost breakdown like i just gave you on lots of these different supplies, a lot of people simply never see. what we have found is a lot of people don't care as well. if you're insured some people may not open the hospital bill. there are 50 million people

uninsured out care very much like hospital bills like this. what you can do is call the hospital and get a detailed breakdown. while on the phone with the hospital, if the cost seems still too high or hard to understand, you might be able to negotiate some of these prices down. >> oh, yeah. i've negotiated before. $800 for a needle, though? an you as a doctor say i'm not going to pay that, i can get a better deal for that. are you kidding me? >> the hospitals negotiate with large distributors and try to obviously talk those prices down. you know, a little bit of what we learned here is that when you look at uncompensated care in this country, somebody pays for that ultimately. so if you have a $56 billion, for example, a year, in uncompensated care, people are showing up at hospitals without insurance, which is what this argument is about, all week this week -- >> we're paying for the uninsured. >> that gets transmitted different ways. higher premiums for health care insurance, higher taxes if you live in a certain county. also in the way i showed you. it costs money for some of these devases. some to offset the cost of the uncompensated care. >> sanjay, thanks.

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well, a shakeup may be coming to morning tv. the well publicized ratings battle between the "today" show and "good morning america" may have claimed its first casualty. alina cho reports it's a high-stakes game with big money implications. >> this is "today." >> reporter: on the set of the "today" show, it's business as usual.

>> and good morning, everyone. >> reporter: matt lauer and ann curry co-hosting the show as they have for the past year. but if you believe all the recent media reports, there could soon be a change. >> now there's this very strange situation going on where she's on the show every morning, acting like nothing's going on. >> reporter: behind the scenes amidst declining ratings, reports are rampant that curry is negotiating her exit. and that she could leave the "today" show as early as this week. why? insiders say it all comes down to chemistry. >> if it does rain, we're going to be dancing, you and i both of us outside. we'll get sopping wet, right? >> let's play that by ear. >> morning tv anchors are like husband and wives on tv. the research showed ann was great on her own and the viewers love her. being paired with matt may have not been the right fit. >> reporter: "the new york times" media reporter broke the news that curry could be leaving. why now? and so soon? for one, the competition. >> hello, everyone. boy, everyone's stepping up their game. >> reporter: the numbers don't lie. though the "today" show has been

number one for 16 years and still is, in april, abc's "good morning america" took the lead and has won the ratings battle several more weeks since then. >> maybe that's because those people on "gma" now are people you want to hang out with, people you want to spend more time with. right now "gm "a feels fresher and the "today" show feels stale. >> i'm matt lauer alongside ann curry. >> nbc isn't reporting on the reports. in a recent cnn interview, matt lauer said this. >> when people start to write articles about what might be wrong with the "today" show, you know where you should point the finger? point it at me. i've been there the longer and it's my responsibility. >> reporter: as for curry, in an interview for the august cover of "lady's home journal" when asked about the ratings decline, she said, it's hard not to take it personally. you worry. am i not good enough? am i not what people need? >> this isn't non-profit theater. it's advertiser-supported television. you know that.

>> i'd rather do a good show for 100 people than a bad one for a million if that's what you're saying. >> reporter: problem is, viewers count. the more people watch, the more money tv morning shows make. which is why who sits in that anchor chair is so closely watched. alina cho, cnn, new york. thanks for watching, everyone. continue the conversation with me on twitter at kiracnn or facebook. "newsroom international" starts right now. welcome to newsroom international. i'm suzanne malveaux. we're talking you around the world in 60 minutes. here's what's going on now. a landslide in uganda killed 18 people and rescuers fear the death toll will rise. heavy rain sent mud crashing down on villages, pretty much burying everything in its path. landslides have been a problem in eastern uganda because of heavy logging that has left the land stripped of trees and

vegetation. hundreds of people lined the streets of northern ireland town to get a glimpse of royalty. queen elizabeth is on a two-day tour celebrating her diamond jubilee. she began it by visiting a town, once the scene of a devastating ira bomb attack that killed 11 people back in 1987. for decades, irish nationalists fought a bitter war against british rule but public outrage over the attack spurred ira chiefs to start peace accords with great britain. tomorrow the queen is going to meet and shake the hand of former i.r.a. commander martin guinness. tough talk, no action coming from nato today. the alliance is not considering military retaliation against sere wra for shooting down a turkish fighter jet. just happened last week. both sides say the jet strayed into syrian airspace, crashed into the mediterranean and its two pilots are still missing. turkey insists the warplane accidentally crossed into syrian airspace and quickly corrected. ivan watson is joining us live

from istanbul. ivan, first of all, turkey says it's going to street any future approach from syria's military as a threat. how serious do you take it? >> reporter: that's -- well, they've announced they're changing the rules of endangerment, and turkey shares a very long border with syria. and that has been a turbulent border over the course of the syrian uprising over the past year and a half with battles erupting between syrian rebels and syrian security forces there. the turkish prime minister alleged that on five occasions, just this year, syrian helicopters crossed into turkish airspace. turkish officials tell me in the past the turks have not escalated in the cases of those violations. but syria has defended its decision to shoot down a turkish military plane saying that it was self-defense after the plane crossed into its airspace. now the turks may make the same ruling if a syrian helicopter

happens to stray into turkish airspace or any other similar situation. >> so, ivan, are these two countries closer to a confrontation today than they were yesterday? >> i -- i think it's fair to say. i mean, the turks have not invoked article 5 of the nato charter. day invoked article 4 which allowed them to summon an emergency meeting of alternal t nato alliance partners in brussels today where they made a show of solidarity. they did not invoke article 5 which says an attack on one member is an attack on all because they don't want to go to war. i think what they want to do is to show a muscular response, show syria, if you do this again, expect something to happen. we just won't say what. >> all right. ivan watson, thank you very much. appreciate it. immigration isn't the only big story this week for many mexican-americans. they're also watching an important vote in mexico. where that country is going to pick a new president.

miguel marquez is explaining why mexico's oldest political party is now experiencing a resurgence. >> reporter: the youthful 45-year-old presidential candidate of mexico's oldest political party, the pri. this is life on the call pain trail for the front-runner. we are in the state of pueblo. he has a crowd here of about 10,000 people. he is now glad handing here, trying to shake every hand he can before election day. nieto who worked in state politics his entire life is promising some politicization, rather than focus solely on capturing drug cartel leaders. our proposals will stabilize mexico with respect to

institutions, with us mexicans will have better options. not everyone here is convinced. at a recent campaign event, his convoy was pelted with rocks by students who feel nieto has been given a free pass by the media. the presidential hopeful under fire for his close ties with the ultra powerful broadcasters which together control over 90% of the market here. we're a political party that's changed because mexico has changed, he says. we're prepared for the election and will be judged by our results. in 2006, as governor in the state of mexico, he was criticized by the heavy handed approach taken by state security forces to clear protesters from a public street. two people died, hundreds arrested. nieto has defended the operation, amnesty international accused police of unlawful killings, sexual assault, and torture. during this election, he

admitted fathering two kids out of wedlock, while married to his first wife, monica, who died in 2007 after suffering a seizure. in 2010, he married the prominent actress best known for her role as the domineering tequila maker. >> in mexico we don't mix public life with private life which is something quite digit to the u.s. >> reporter: he has great proposals for mexico, she says, with pen nieto, the country will change for the better. pen nieto promising response of government, more democracy and less corruption. a massive to-do list. all he needs now, a mandate to govern. miguel marquez, mexico city. >> mig fwuel is joining us now. looking at the popularity of the candidate, what does it say about mexico and how mexico has changed? >> it's changing enormously.

what mexicans want out of this election, no matter who wins the election, is to move from a developing country to a country that's completely part of the world and is now an emerging economy in this market and in this world. the country is growing very fast. the middle class is expanding slowly. the economy is changing. those grand institutions, those oligarchkies in mexico are changing slowly. and young people are getting more educated more than ever. they want to be part of the world. they want more technology. they want a better economy. they want more opportunity for everybody. so that's what they're looking at in mexico and that's what the election is all about. >> and miguel, you've actually done a great job at reporting and cnn has been reporting about the young people and their role in this election. how has it changed? >> it has changed enormously. you know, the young people there are more educated than ever. they are more active than ever. there has been an ongoing

movement throughout this election against what they see as sort of large institutions. whether it's media, whether it's telecommunications, whether it's politics. and young people there now want change at a level they haven't seen before. what that student movement is doing now is expanding. and trying to become a movement past the election so that in an occupy-style protest they can keep the government's feet to the fire and keep change happening there. it is something that mexico really hasn't experienced before. and it's like a new chapter of democracy opening. it's pretty amazing. >> miguel, also one of the things we talk a lot about, cartel wars in mexico. could a new president actually de-emphasize going after these drug cartels? >> that has been a lot of talk. although they aren't talking specifically about that. what all the candidates are talking about is focusing on the violence that everyday mexicans are experiencing on the streets. what they want to do is at some point get the military out of

the policing game. build a state or federal police force that will allow them to be more professional, better educated, better paid, less corruptible. and then replace those military units with a police force that isn't just reactive, but can both take it to the cartels and also ensure that people in the streets aren't experiencing the sort of violence and petty crime they've had in recent years. >> all right. thank you, miguel. appreciate it. here's more of what we're working on for this hour. "newsroom international." at war with their government in brazil. weapon of choice, spray paint. and imagine horseback riding, soccer games, all set in a beautiful european island, right? sound like a vacation? it is actually prison for some norwegians. we're talking about guys doing time for crimes as serious as murder. so how might a system like that actually deal with this mass killer? but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses.

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we've seen this happen every month this year. we've seen these sorts of attacks. sunni extremists wanting to cause instability in iraq. where they're lacking in terms of security forces is any source of real success when it comes to intelligence, counterterrorism. this is where the failures seem to be. they have the guns. we've trained them in how to be on the battlefield. they're missing our intelligence and counterterrorism. >> do they have any intelligence, anybody trying to help them out here figuring out how to sort all this out? >> i don't know if nuri al maliki, the prime minister would do this, but i wouldn't be surprised if at some point they come to the u.s. and say, can we have help back you were giving us before you left last december and help beef up their ability to stop these attacks before they get started. >> in covering president bush, one thing that was so frustrating was dealing with nuri al maliki. they did not think he was a very effective leader in iraq and pushed and pushed and pushed. what has he become now? >> you know, the problem with him, he's very problem mattic

when it comes to democratic reform. that's putting it nicely. one of the central planks, where they'd be power sharing between the majority shia, the sunni, the kurds. the others. quite frankly, that hasn't happened. the opposite happened. nuri al maliki is accused of centralizing power, consolidating his own position. in fact, putting criminal charges against politicians from the sunni blocs. that sort of thing. and people on the ground there are saying, what we have now is an authoritarian figure, it's looking like saddam like. >> is that an overstatement? saddam light there? >> saddam light. in terms of the consolidation of power, where this is meant to be an open sort of democracy, and there's views now that it's not that anymore. it is nuri al maliki's government. and there's all sorts of political problems associated with that. nothing's getting done. it's an inept parliament. they apparently can't pass a law of any meaningful import.

and even rule a law is hard to get traction in iraq. what the real problem here is the people who elected this democratic government, the ones who had the faith in what we created there, and went out and voted, if they lose faith in their government, the violence continues. the security forces can't help them out. the wedge goes in between the people and the government and they lose faith in what is really a democracy. this is a baby democracy here. >> and of course, as president bush and president obama would say, would argue, you know what, democracy takes time. it's an ugly, messy business. it's going to take a lot more time before they sort that out. >> yeah, worrying, though, it's just incremental. every month is more and more deadly. just don't want this to explode as something more sectarian in nature. the key to that is the shia militias haven't yet responded in the way we saw happen in '06, '07. were that to tip over into

retaliation, the tit for tat, game on. >> obviously the obama administration does not want to send back u.s. troops to try to sort it out. >> oh, no. >> yeah? >> maybe. >> okay. michael, thank you. good to see you. she used to run the country. now she's on trial for crimes the west says she did not commit. the case of ukraine's ex-prime minister. i didn't know how i was gonna to do it, but i knew i was gonna get that opportunity one day, and that's what happened with university of phoenix. nothing can stop me now. i feel like the sky's the limit with what i can do and what i can accomplish. my name is naphtali bryant and i am a phoenix. visit phoenix.edu to find the program that's right for you. enroll now.

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already cost $150 million. some, they're comparing her to sarah palin, an attractive woman with a strong political following and powerful voice against the president. yulia tymoshenko, former prime minister of ukraine, serving prison term for abuse in office and being tried again. this time for alleged tax evasion. the trial and her conviction have caused outrage among many european nations. she's a very popular figure, can you explain why? what is her appeal? >> well, her appeal is that she's very charismatic. she was one of the heroeses of the 2005 so-called orange revolution in the ukraine. you mentioned how european countries are outraged at some of the legal cases that have been mounted against her. in fact, as some of out viewers may know, some soccer fans, euro 2012 is going on right now. and some european officials have said it's being hosted by ukraine and poland, have said,

you know, the case against this woman, yulia tymoshenko is outrageous enough we're not going to go to the games that are hosted in the ukraine, we're boycotting the games. >> that's pretty serious, though. people over there are crazy about that game. >> believe me. as am i. i watch all the games. here's the thing. it is politically, as far as critics are concerned, motivated. these cases against her. because she has in the president of the ukraine which is an ex-soviet republic, a huge rifle and a political foe and people are saying that these cases against her, one of them is related to a gas deal with russia in 2009. another is charges of tax evasion in the 1990s. that they are politically motivated and this, some are calling it, selective justice. >> do people think she's going to get a fair trial or essentially think she's going to be thrown under the bus? >> her daughter doesn't. she certainly doesn't. she is now in a hospital. she's not attending her own trial because she's suffering, according to her lawyer, from

debilitating back pain. she doesn't even trust the doctors in the ukraine. a team of german doctors has actually looked at her condition and said she's not fit to stand trial. those two cases have been postponed until after the yeeur 20120 games because this could be an embarrassing coincidental, two cases that happen at the same time as the euro 2012. we'll see after all this is done what happened. people are saying she probably -- those with the critics of the current government -- will not be able to get a fair trial. >> do you think she'll get any help from western nations, from the united states, or anybody else who will come to her aid and say, we don't think this is right? >> no amount of pressure so far, including the renegotiation of certain deals between the european union or ukraine, or shelving of some of the agreements put pressure on the current government of ukraine. so far that has not worked. >> all right. she's getting a lot of public y publicity, a lot of press. >> she's, you know, you see her -- part of it is also her

physical appearance. this is someone you notice. physically. >> she looks like a model. >> blond. the trademark braid that she wears over her head. >> we were talking about that braid, too. it's caused a lot of conversation. people are like, how does she wear that braid? >> not quite sure. definitely part of what makes her memorable is her appearance. to be fair. i'm not shoe she would be getting as much attention if she were, say, an older graying man. but it is a very serious political problem for her. she's 51. she's in jail. sentenced to seven years. trying to appeal these cases. this is a woman who was named by "forbes" as one of the most successful women in the world, certainly very, very rich. and who served as prime minister of the ukraine. and now a dramatic fall from grace for her. >> we're going to follow this obviously and see how it goes. thank you very much, hala. just because she's married to the prince doesn't mean she's tops at buckingham palace. we're going to tell you where kate middleton falls in the royal pecking order.

all right. we've all kind of struggled with etiquette a bit. we're of course, not alone. imagine this, right? being the duchess of cambridge, kate middleton. queen elizabeth issued what is an equivalent of a royal ranking guide. kate, she's gotten a bit of a demotion here. here's an example. let's say kate, she's alone without prince william and she meets up with prince andrew's daughters. that's them. the princesses beatrice. prince andrew is queen elizabeth's son making the girls blood princesses. kate would have to curtsey to them. let's say if prince william is

with her, the roles are reversed. kate resumes her rank and the princesses have to curtsey to her. we're joined from london to explain all this to us. because, you know, we're not in habit of curtseying, but, you know, this sounds like a little bit of family drama to me, richard. what does this mean to her? >> it is. it is. let's put it in terms you'll understand. >> please. >> when great auntie bessie comes for sunday lunch and uncle tommy's there and cousin martha and little johnny, who sits where and who carves the turkey and who does what? this is just -- that's on a much grander scale. the reason you have these so-called rules of precedence or laws of precedence is so that everybody knows where they stand in the pecking order. nobody's left wondering, hang on, who's that? oh, no, it's -- everybody knows. unfortunately, noses get put out of joint because now we know

that kate middleton, who will one day be queen, has to curtsey when she's on her own to the blood princesses. but if she's got her hubby next to her, that's a different kettle of fish. now, this -- the rules were last changed in 2005 when camilla joined the family firm. and camilla had to bow. and it was the principle of the blood that the queen introduce back in 2005. >> now that all this has changed here, is it fair to say this is a demotion? is that right? >> no. >> no? >> no, not really. no, you see, because it's not really because she's merely been put in the position that the queen says the princesses of the blood come first. eventually, of course, kate will be queen and, therefore, will ride over the other laws. and also when charles is king, she goes up a notch. so it's not really -- the only thing i think you really need to

know is that whenever your eye meets any of them, we're always at the bottom of the heap. >> that's for sure. i make no mistake. >> here's another thing. here's another thing. you just started me now. you're not going to stop me this side of lunchtime. when you go to the white house, for example, there's very strict protocol. who comes into the room first, the president, the first lady. and then you start working down through the secretary of state, the speaker of the house, all the -- the chief justice of the supreme court. protocol is there for a reason. it's so that everybody knows what to do correctly. now, you and i, if i meet the queen, she doesn't care whether i bow, curtsey, or fall over. however, when they are amongst themselves, these are the little rules that make their lives tick along really well. >> i'll give you an example here on this side. when you're traveling on air force one and guess where the press is, all the way in the back of the plane. that's right. near the restrooms.

so we know our pecking order there. and richard, we were curtseying our bosses earlier today. so we think -- we might be warming them up a little bit. >> no, that's just called crawling for a pay raise. >> whatever you call it. you know, we're shameless here. richard, thank you. very interesting story. one of his first trips as the newly elected president is the holy land. we're going to tell you what vladimir putin wants from israel.

to the middle east now. russian president vladimir putin shoulder to shoulder with palestinian president abbas, praised abbas for a responsible position in negotiations with israel. talk a little about the israeli/palestinian negotiations. we both know they've been frozen now for four years. what does putin expect? >> well, suzanne, he expects to have a bigger role. he thinks if russia could play more of a diplomatic role in these negotiations maybe they would go somewhere. he's pushing a conference, he's brought up this idea before, a conference in moscow to jump-start the negotiations. obviously president abbas was saying he's all for the idea. prime minister netanyahu

yesterday when he met with him wasn't, you know, all that thrilled with the idea. he was pushing more issues about syria and iran, but both recognize that perhaps russia could play a bigger role in this process. you know, the u.s. has been that honest broker for so many years. not so much success. so russia thinks exercising a little russian muscle there. >> what do we think about how those talks went regarding syria and iran? is there a sense that russian policy is really going to be become more robust in the region, going to play a much greater role? >> well certainly that's what prime minister netanyahu is hoping. if you look at the middle east right now, two of the biggest countries that israel's having problems with, iran and syria, russia is the one that has all the influence, of course, they're supporting iranian regime through these negotiations. and also supplying weapons to the syrians. so what prime minister netanyahu is asking him, listen, put pressure on bashar al assad to

get this political process going and step down and also trying to get iran to accept this international deal from the west to give up their highly enriched ye uranium and close their facility. noncommittal. he obviously talked about more cooperation. russia having a bigger role. but basically didn't say much about what he was prepared to. >> all right. elise labot breaking it down for us. appreciate it. he's a young journalist from afghanistan and dodging bullets to bring the horrors of the fighting to light and doing it using twitter.

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want to dip into mitt romney, he's campaigning in virginia, specifically talking about health care reform, obama care, of course, what is going to be a ruling in the supreme court that is going to take place on thursday. i want to listen in a little bit. >> he couldn't turn around the econo economy, within three years he'd be a one-term president. and so he gave a speech the other day trying to convince people that he had turned the economy around. he said the private sector is doing just fine. and your voice, just like the voice of 23 million people around the country who shouted out and said, we're not so happy, this private sector is not doing so fine. when people who were promised if they let the government borrow $787 billion and unemployment

would stay below 8%, they screamed out, no, unemployment has never been below 8% since. they saw an economy that grew at less than 2% in the first quarter of the year. people in this country recognize the economy is not doing just fine, so the president had to change his tune. now he says, no, look, my programs are working fine. they just take a long time to be effective, so give me four more years. we're not going to let him turn a one-term proposition into an eight-year proposition. let me ask you, do you think obama-care is working just fine to get americans back to work? do you think that shutting down that keystone pipeline from canada is helping the american people? do you think that raising taxes on small businesses like this are going to put american people back to work? and what do you think about that avalanche of new regulations? is that helping americans get good jobs?

no, look, this president's out of ideas, and he's out of excuses, and in november we're going to vote him out of office. now, one thing -- one thing he said in that speech of his, he said that every american deserves a fair shot. and i agree with him. every american should know that if they work hard and get an education and have the right kind of values, they have a fair shot for a bright future and be able to provide for their families a fair shot to realize their dreams. but then i stopped and i looked at this president's record. let me ask you some questions about these things. do you think when we passed trillions of dollars of our debts on to the next generation that this president is giving the next generation a fair shot? do you think that when 50% of the kids who graduate from college this year can't find jobs, jobs commensurate with

their skills, that's giving our college kids a fair shot? do you think that when the president puts the interests of the teachers unions ahead of the interest of the teachers and the kids that gives them a fair shot? do you think that when he takes tax dollars from you and then uses it to give guarantees and investments into some of the businesses of this contributors, does that give the american people a fair shot? >> no! >> how about when he closes down coal mines and says no to developing oil resources and gas resources. does that get the people who work in those industries and other industries that are energy dependent, does that give them a fair shot? >> no! >> let me tell you, if there's ever been a president of the united states that has not given a fair shot to the middle income families of america, it is president obama and that's why he is going to be replaced in november.

>> you're listening to mitt romney out of salem, virginia, at a campaign spot. next hour we're going to catch up with president obama as well on the call pampaign trail in atlanta. we're going to take it live. his speech set to begin at 1:25, eastern. i want to go to kabul, afghanistan. on friday insurgents armed with guns, rocket propelled grenades, explosives, rushed a hotel. they opened fire on guests eating there killing 19 people, holding hostage others. during an 11-hour siege. while this went on, three journalists rushed to the scene, sending out a stream of harrowing tweets as the insurgents fought afghan and nato troops. one of the journalists is a 26-year-old afghan born, his name is mustafa kazemi. he sent powerful short messages describing the action. tease a these are his tweets, pray for

us, gunfire all around, cross over head, hundreds of shots flying toward us. mustafa, he's joining us now. it's hard for people to understand who are not journalists -- when i was in afghanistan the u.s. embassy was attacked. you go running to the streets, go running to the gunfire. it's your job. so when you went running to that hotel, to that dining area, what were you thinking? >> i had an idea of what it was going to be like on the ground especially close to the scene because this was not the first time i would attend and cover a combat, a live combat coverage. i could understand there will be a lot of casualties and i could -- because there's no standard during the night to protect the life of the hostages. i was expecting there will be a bloody combat during the day when the security forces attack the insurgents and started releasing the hostages. >> sometimes you think about the fear and you think about what could happen afterwards. were you thinking at all?

were you afraid, were you fearing for your life as you were reporting as it was happening this gunfire? >> there's no time to think you might survive or not. you have to just concentrate on the work, provide the coverage as well as look for your safety. there's two minute or one minute of time when you move out of the home and head straight toward the area of the attack when you think you may not come back alive. it is not a new feeling to me, because throughout several past years when i went to a combat coverage, i did think before leaving home that i may not come back alive. i come back home alive. you will think that you may not survive seeing the situation down on the ground. >> how did you do this, mustafa? how were you actually live tweeting as this attack was going on? >> i went there to provide coverage on twitter as well as

to -- because i'm an independent journ journalist, media does not have journalists in afghanistan. i had my telephone, my iphone. i unfortunately ran out of battery and i could tweet as well as tweet the televisions or any paper or media outlet for updates. >> were you actually -- >> my nokia telephone through texts. >> were you actually behind anything? were you able to take cover as you were tweeting out what you were seeing and experiencing? >> the cover was not really -- it was 40 centimeters tall stone wall and we were trying to stick to the ground as far as possible because there were dozens of stray bullets. you could not see who was -- the bullets without any direction, without any target, bullets were flying all around. stick to one place, find out if it's safe, stay there.

if not, if you see bullets coming toward you, change your position. for us, it was the safest place. we had a lot of bullets landed close to us, machine gun bullets as well as assault rifle bullets, but it was for us the safest place we could cover as well as have an eye on the combat scene. >> i'm sure you were probably not checking if anybody was reading your tweets at the time or responding to you. afterwards, did you see if people were actually responding to you as this was happening, as you were under attack? were people tweeting back? >> people did actually. they appreciated the coverage as well as -- previously my audience, my followers were not as big in terms of number as this time. and people were happy they were having solid information from the ground because if they would have waited for a wire or tv, it

would have taken them a while. they did tweet back to me. they were happy. they thanked me. >> you're a young guy, and i imagine your parents are kind of worried about you when they see this kind of thing happening live. i don't know if they tweet or not, but i certainly called my parents when i was in the middle of all of that mess there. did you talk to them? are they concerned? telling you, come home, what are you doing? >> my family is living in another part of the country. i'm living alone here in kabul. but they usually, when they get to know about an attack from tv, they have a sense of me going to the attack, so the first thing they do is they call me up on telephone saying, do not go to the attack scene, just stay at home and do the coverage. i tell them, i'm not going, i'll be here only. i switch off my home telephone and go straight to the attack scene. i can't risk staying at home and miss the updates and the news. so i do go there. they get to know -- they will not like me for that, but this

is my commitment, this is my job. i have to do this. >> you certainly are committed. yeah. sometimes you ignore the parents, you to your job, do what you have to do. we appreciate you. we appreciate your bravery in bringing that story to us through live tweeting. thanks again, mustafa. >> thank you. riding horses on a european island, to us, of course, sounds like a dream vacation. to these norwegian criminals, it's prison. it, i'll be right back. they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does your bank take to watch your money ? if your bank takes more money than a stranger, you need an ally. ally bank. no nonsense. just people sense. starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve,

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this could be a twitter first. united arab emirates is deciding on a new logo to promote their country. the prime minister took to twitter to encourage citizens to choose the best design. so he tweeted, the uae nation brand logo will promote for the uae and tell its story to the world. i want all of you to choose the design you think is best. pretty cool. in august, a court in norway is going to issue its verdict in the trial of honors brevick, admitted killing dozens of people last year. he bombed government buildings in oslo before shooting at a camp on an island. he says he considers the -- if convicted he could face a long time in prison. but as diana shows us, some of norway's prisons actually drastically different. from the prisons here in the

united states. >> reporter: there are no walls, no wire, no handcuffs here on prison island. just the water all around. but few try to escape. there are 115 inmates on the island and competition for spaces is fierce. you have to apply, you have to show motivation. and it doesn't really matter if you're convicted for a minor crime or if you're a murderer. this man who does not want to be identified is here for drug-related offenses. he's taking courses in computing to prepare himself for life outside. >> locked up many times, you have only one hour to go outside, you know, for something like fresh air, something like that. you go to work, you come back, you go ask for fresh air for one hour then come back. maybe you have some food, something. they lock you around 8:00.

but here nobody locks you. >> reporter: tom christianson spends his day tinkering with machines, only fixed appointments, the roll call five times a day. >> you can fix your own food, buy it in the store here. you almost live here as you do outside. >> reporter: prison officers say some inmates do have trouble taking ownership of their lives, after years of strict jail regimes elsewhere in norway. >> some people come here, they can't take it. it's overwhelming. they want to go back to the high security prison. >> reporter: inmates here know they're lucky. this is as good as prison gets. probably the world over. though even norway's high security prisons treat their inmates with the same basic respect. >> we aim at gradual progression toward freedom and we believe the only thing that prisons are deprived of is their liberty.

so the everyday life in prison should be as much like everyday life outside prison because we believe that gives society the best security. >> reporter: and it seems to work. just 20% of prisoners in norway reoffend once they're out. well below those in the uk or u.s. where more than half of all prisoners are back behind bars within a couple of years of their release. >> diana is joining us from berlin. this is such a fascinating report, diana. i mean, really, that one thing that he said, one of those prisoners, he said, it's too much freedom. sometimes, too much freedom. a lot of these folks go back to the high security prisons. that really is amazing. that says a lot about what they're doing there. >> reporter: yes, suzanne, it is a strange concept. they're saying you have to take control and responsibility of your own life and people are often very scared of doing that. especially once they spent decades, perhaps, inside a high-security prison. you know, that really is too

much responsibility for them. but the penal system there says, the prison authorities say this is the best way to reintegrate them back into society because they're taking responsibility for themselves then they can walk back into real life and do the same thing there. >> what about a guy like brieveck, mass murderer. would he go to a facility like that with that kind of freedom and space and chance to do what he wants to do? >> reporter: you can be pretty sure, he's not going to end up there. i mean, first of all, because the other inmates, he would be a serious danger from them. he's a reviled figure across the whole of norway. and secondly, because you can imagine there would be a huge sort of revolt amongst the population if he ended up on this very unique place. but we do know quite a bit about where he will end up. suzanne, it is actually in comparison to the american system still fairly luxurious. he's in isolation, and if he's

convi convicted, he will remain in isolation in this cell. it's actually 8 meters square, it's quite big. he can use tv, radio. he doesn't have an internet. he has his own separate office, he has a gym. he's not allowed to two and sort of work with the others. he has a lot of good things going for him. >> all right. we have to leave it there. dian diana, thank you so much. fascinating story. young brazilians are angry. they're taking their anger out on the country's walls. ♪ one a day men's 50+ is a complete multi-vitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. ♪ it has more of seven antioxidants to support cell health. that's one a day men's 50+ healthy advantage. [ creaking ]

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some folks think graffiti is -- gangs in brazil are using spray cans for another reason to wage a political war. >> reporter: armed with black paint they scrawl their signature on the wall in the middle of the night. the more daring scale buildings. help me up, says one man. i don't think i can go any higher. these are taggers, marginalized youth to compete to leave their mark on a city they feel has turned its back on them. one of the city's more outspoken gang leaders calls it class warfare. our society is very capitalist, you're only worth what you own, he says. you don't have to have money to be recognized, you just need

paint to write your name all over the city. they live in preferred suburbs but their preferred target is seedy downtown sau palo. in wealthy neighborhoods say they their signatures would disappear in a day. it's thursday night in downtown sau palo. there are a lot of people here. this is usually an abandoned part of the city, really run down. on thursday nights you can get 200, 300, 400 people right here. that's because this is where the pixador artists come together. they have drinks and smoke and talk about their plans for the week. it's pretty interesting because these are rival gangs but they can do this because they no longer take it out in the streets. instead the competition is up on the wall. they spray the names of their gangs on walls and compose rap songs. ♪ this one is about brazil's culture of consumption. pixador emerged in the 1980s, a

sprawling city of 20 million people where the division between rich and poor is vast. they're mostly young men, but these women formed an all female gang. it's adrenaline art, freedom of expression, she says. you have an idea and you want to rebel. just don't call it graffiti. pixador say they don't want to be defined as street artists. part of the thrill is breaking the law. pixador doesn't respect anything, public or private, he says, which means they don't have any fans. those guys are vandals, says this downtown office worker. we should have harsher laws and better education, says another. we recently followed a group of pixadors on the prowl. after 40 minutes of walking they find what they want. a well-lit underpass where they work will get a lot of attention. before they can finish, a patrol car pulls up. most of them rush into traffic and get away. one woman is caught.

but they tell us they went back later that same night and finished the job. shasta darlington, cnn, sau palo. i'm suzanne malveaux, this hour on "cnn newsroom" we're focusing on the rising costs of health care, politics and gun violence in the united states. i want to get right to it now. forecasters warn florida's northwest coast could see another 8 inches of rain today. tropical storm debby is forcing more evacuations, rescues and road closures. just last hour, officials in pasco county, florida, ordered the evacuation of 2,000 homes because of a fast rising river. 38 people were rescued from their homes overnight. >> i was kind of panicking because the water came up over the wall where i live. if you're looking to sell your home, you maye