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private property, and it happens everyday this clinic is open. we can pan over to see happy independence day, yes, we are open, and a sign that this clinic will be open today, and basically protected from this new state law that would effectively shut it down. these new regulations, and they do two things. first of all the regulations require that any physician who performs an abortion in the state of mississippi must be board certified ogbyn first, and secondly the physician mustt have privileges to the local hospital to admit patients and the drirector of the clinic say she has been trying to get the privileges for several weeks and months since the law was signed back in april and unable to do so. now i spoke with both side os hn this issue about their take on this temporary restraining order, and listen to what they have to say. >> this has nothing to do with women's health and they have made it quite clear with the statements they want to close this clinic. but as up to now, women have a constitutional right to have
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this ability to have this decision to make. so we have to have somewhere for them to make that in this state. this is a clearly challenge to roe v. wade and everyone in the country realizes that. >> the legislation was in health and made sure that anyone who was receiving an ob bortion, it would be by a professional ogbyn who is certified and follow that patient to the hospital if something went wrong, and so i'm disappointed they are going to spend another two weeks without that type of requirement. >> reporter: a live picture here in jackson, mississippi, where the police are there talking to the protesters again trying to mitigate the situation where these protesters were walking on to the private property there. they can stay on public property, and not get on private property, and all of this is ratcheted up a little bit given the situation here. and the clinic will remain open under this temporary restraining order at least until july 11th
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and that is when a hearing was set when this clinic has filed suit to have this new state law thrown out. >> and george, how has this impacted the community? are people turning neighbor against neighbor or most people on the same side or people coming outside of the city or the state to protest? how is this playing out there? >> from what we can tell from people that we have spoke n wit here, these are people who are in the community and keep in mind that in the state of mississippi, a very politically and religiously conservative state and a lot of people want to see this clinic gone and again, when you talk to the owner of the clinic, she makes a point that this is the only abortion clinic here in the state of mississippi. if this clinic were to be gone, people would have to travel to alabama or louisiana to get an abortion. so this is important to her to make sure that the clinic stays open for the people here in mississipp
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mississippi. >> all right. george, appreciate it. you see the battle of abortion rights playing out in mississippi. there is more. in many states anti-abortion right activists are deciding to bypass roe v. wade and simply work to restrict or outlaw abortion on a state by state level. now the pro choice america group says it is tracking 235 bills in state legislatures that the group says would restrict abortion. ten major court challenges to the various bills are now under way in seven states. i want to talk to nancy nordstrom who is president of the reproductive rights who is the group who sued on behalf of the mississippi clinic, and you say that the lawmakers have been up front about making their intent to make legal abortion virtually disappear in their words. what happens after the restraining order today? >> well, we are going to be back in court on july 11th and arguing that mississippi cannot do what it has tried to do with
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this very bogus law that is seeking to put the one clinic in mississippi out of practice. you know, the united states constitution guarantees women access to save abortion services. and what mississippi is trying the do and been quite blatant about it is to eliminate the abortion services in the state. they can't do that. it is a constitutional guarantee. >> has your group filed for other similar lawsuits? >> we have a host of lawsuits around the country, because unfortunately what we are seeing in mississippi is a trend around the nation, and what the goal of the anti-choice forces in the united states is to stop the provision of abortion services by whatever means, laws that are pretextural that pretend to be about women's health, but they r are about closing the clinic doors and that is not right for women in america. >> we heard reaction from a spokesman from the mississippi governor who has repeatedly said that he wants the state to be abortion-free, and he says that the federal judge's decision is disappointing, and the governor bryant plans to work with state
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leaders to make sure that the legislation properly takes effect as soon as possible. what is your response? >> well, the governor of mississippi cannot deny women in that state the constitutional rights. we have a federal constitution. it applies to women throughout america. and it guarantees them that their health and their lives are protected by being able to have access to abortion services. that is the law of the land since roe v. wade and mississippi would like it otherwise, but they cannot deprive the women in the state of the constitutional rights. >> this is not the only state that you are clearly focusing on. and there are other restrictive laws proposed in the other states, and what are the ones that you are most concerned about now? >> well, we have been suing the state of north carolina on a law that is very intrusive to women, a forced sonogram law, and we have been suing in north dakota and oklahoma on the attempts to ban access to medication abortion which is safe and makes abortion more available to women
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in various states and a host of lawsuits around the country and looking at arizona which is troubling and a new law which they have passed and what people have to understand that this is a concerted effort to undermine roe v. wade and it is important not that just the courts block it, but we got six injunctions last year, but it is zcitizens enough of this. >> this is going to be playing out in mississippi and other states and appreciate your time. this is what we are working on this hour. more than a million people trying to cope without any air conditioning and power after this weekend's storms and sweltering heat. we will have the latest from the nation's capital. hundreds in colorado are returning home, and finding they no longer have one. it is the most destructive wildfire season colorado has ever seen. we will talk to scientists who blame it on climate change. and why one study says that drinking caffeine can cut your risk of one type of skin cancer.
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i tell mike what i can spend. i do my best to make that work. we're driving safely. and sue saved money on brakes. now that's personal pricing. >> if you can watch tv or turn on the lights or phone, you are lucky, because millions of americans across the country are out of power because of the heat. we are talking about maryland and virginia and washington, d.c., and the capital is getting fed up waiting for the power to get back on. here's the story. >> reporter: suzanne, it is a mess here in the d.c. area, and 2 1/2 days after the storms hit, people are frustrated with the lack of power, with traffic, and
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the slow pace of the recovery here. the rush hour here in the d.c. ear is technically over, but not over. there is a light up there that is out and hundreds of traffic lights here in montgomery county, maryland, were out as of an hour ago, and people are saying to treat the traffic lights as four-way stops, and that is what the folks here are doing. this one up and running a short time ago but now it looks like this is out, and the photo journalist can take us up to that light, and it was operating a short time ago and now it is knocked out again. and that is some of the frustration. and you have to treat it as a four-way stop, but not easy in an intersection this big. that is one problem. spiking terms is another problem. it will get up to 97 today again in washington, d.c. you can hear the frayed nerves. we caught up with people at a gas station a while ago and they told us of the frustrations.
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>> you have the follow the other cars and also traffic, how they are crossing, you have to pay attention. >> detours and a lot of lights that are out and some that are on, spotty, but, a lot of congestion, and lot of the discourteous drivers. >> the biggest challenge for me has been to find a gas station that has power. >> now, that last gentleman said that is the tenth gas station he has been to this morning before he was able to get any gasoline, and that is a another huge problem, because when the gas stations are out of power, you have long lines at the very few gas stations up and running. again, people are told either don't go to work, and try to get to a cooling center if you can and dozens of those set up, and there are libraries and malls and also, if you have to stay home, stayt the lowest part of the house to stay cool. some 500,000 or more customers still without power in the area, and suzanne, what we are told is that the last person to get power back in the general area may not get it back until friday evening. so a lot of frustration here,
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suzanne. >> well, i can only imagine, because that is a crazy situation. i used to live there and i nkno the corner there very well and it looks dangerous just trying to cross the street there. thank you, brian. i want to bring in alexandra steele who is here to talk about the deadly heat wave and think about people without power and now 20 states under heat advisories. >> yes sh, and where brian is, washington and virginia and those temperatures are going to stay at 95 straight through thursday and friday. and suzanne, what is most notable about the heat wave, one the breadth and the depth of it. at one point 45 million people at 100 degrees orrer more. two, the degree to which, no pun intended, that we are break records and not only the hottest day or the hottest for the month, but these are the warmest temperatures these places have seen period. this is yesterday. macon, georgia, 108. and spartanberg, 107, and charlotte, 104, and some of these places have never seen these temperatures ever.
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the good news for this area of the country, the southeast, they will lose 10 degrees from this, why? why do you even have this heat wave? well, the dome of high pressure and when you see this, thumb's up and sunny pressure, but high pressure means sinking air and compression air and thus warming air. the problem is as we look tomorrow, and the jet stream, if it is very far north, the high pressure can go as far north as the jet. the jet kind of blocks it, and it is like it can't penetrate, and you will see the dip. washington does begin to cool down mean iing they are stayingn the low 90s and not getting to 100, but with the retrograding moving back westward, it is the plains that will stay at 100 degree-plus temperatures straight through friday. that is the core and really the pinkel of where the biggest heat troubles will be, and the highs today of atlanta and the places in the southeast hot and above average but not 106, only 95. as we head tomorrow, kansas city and wichita and st. louis and
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omaha, that is who will see the 100-plus degree heat and straight through the fourth of july. st. louis, and wichita, an denver on the 4th is at 95. even washington where we are talking about the biggest problems, you will see 97 straight through friday and no real relief, but the southeast out of that 100-plus range. >> and clearly, the folks have to stay cool if they can and especially without any power. >> right. it is exacerbating the problems with no power. >> all right. thank you. maybe we should stay indoors the rest of the day. >> malls and movies. >> yes. out west, the things have not been better. wildfires in colorado destroyed almost 350 homes and damaged dozens more. fire crews opened up some colorado springs neighborhoods for several hours to let the families take a look and get a look at your houses. for some, it was very emotional. cnn's jim spellman was there. >> reporter: residents of hard hit colorado springs get their
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first look at what was once their homes. >> we will go for the tour around, but there is not much left. >> reporter: now little more than ashes left. tim and katy film exclusively for cnn. >> this is the garage. you can see the gutter that has fallen down. the only thing left of the garage is the bricks standing here and the brass picture that we didn't like anyway. >> reporter: they first learned that the home was destroyed when they saw this picture on the front page of the "denner post" but they weren't sure what to expect when they saw it up cl e close. >> we didn't know if we could be able to handle looking at the house and stuff, but it is actually kind of of nice. we have all of the neighbors here, and they are helping out. the community has been beyond, beyond great. >> reporter: ted's last view of the house was as flames raced down the hillside. >> this is where i saw the fire start coming down, coming out of the back door looking up and seeing the fire come down. and so the seat is right where
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we left it. >> it smells like ashes and soot and burn and not a camp fire smell, but burn. it is sad. the good thing is that we have a lot of neighbors that their homes survived, and we have been out here getting hugs. >> reporter: they were only able to find these textbook pages and they say that the charred brick is a reminder of their own life as they begin a new life from scratch. >> we will rebuild there. we love the block and we talked to the neighbors today and we just love the community, and so definitely it is. >> it is our home. >> it is our home. we will definitely rebuild there. >> and tim is live in colorado springs, and that is incredible when you think about it. very emotional for people to try to come home to see their homes for the first time. how are people coping? >> you know, it finally became real for them even though everybody who has gone back to the neighborhood know s ths thas
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is the fate, that their home is destroyed, and seeing it is really different. they have gone through this individually and everybody has evacuated and staying with neighbors and friends and now back together again and able to talk with their neighbors and have that experience as a community again which has made them feel stronger that they will be able to get through it somehow, no matter how difficult it will be, suzanne. >> were some folks unable to get back into the houses because of the fire conditions? >> everybody was able to go in and take a look for a few hours yesterday and then they reevacuated everybody and too dangerous to be in there permanently and few thousand people left now that evacuated and at one point over 30,000. it is a long process of start and stop for them to get access for a few hours at a time to the home. weeks and maybe months when they are able to contemplate and actu actually able to rebuild. >> jim, where do they go? where do those people go? >> well, remarkably at one point, there were 36,000 people evacuated and only a couple of hundred in the shelters and everybody was taken in by friends and family in the community, and church groups
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well organized on facebook and twitter and chances for people to find homes and go in. i thought that was inkredable that only a couple of hundred people in a shelter out of 30,000 people. you see the community coming together to take care of each other. >> that is really, refreshing. jim, thank you so much, and appreciate it. it is the most destructive wildfire that kcolorado has see. some people think that climate change could be feeding the flames.
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pressure in boulder. thank you for being here. i know it is a controversial idea and some people do not agree, but you say that climate change is contributing to starting these fires. how so? >> well, there's several dots that you can connect between the climate and the climate change and the fires. first off in a warmer atmosphere both globally and in the united states. when it is warmer, water evaporates more readily from the ground and the soils will dry out more even the rain and the snowfall stays the same. but we have on top of that a dry spring especially in colorado and the landscape and how people are using the landscape, and that is the human factor that relate to fires just as flooding. you can have heavy rain and may not produce a flood unless the landscape is set up for it. in colorado we have the pine beetle kill, and the people living closer to forests that are at risk of fire. when you put them together, there are links and of course, how it plays out is going to depend on the local weather.
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>> you talk about the pine beetles and what is the role of pine beetles here? >> well, it is an epidemic, and the pine beetles have been around for ages, but they have grown in the last ten years because largely we have not had cold winter temperatures the kill them off. so they have gone to reproducing twice a year instead of once which has made matters worst. for ests to the west of denver has been made worse and it is starting to creep into the fort collins and colorado springs, and denver, where these fires are occurring. in high park area, there is a large territory where beetle tree kill area. >> will we see more like this? >> well, not every year like this, because we will have hot years and dry years and wet years, and there was a study
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though that came out last month that involved a number of the university professionals who looked at the climate as a whole and looking atop notch models that there is a trend toward wildfire risks not necessarily in every region but every time, and the southwest region of the united states is one of the areas most at risk. >> is there an effective way to fight fires and should we be changing the way we approach this? >> well, the climate change adaptation is an important concept. the mission global ly in terms f the carbon dioxide are adding up, and the planet is warming. so as we understand that we have a higher risk of fire in the future, it would behoove us not to be ready to fight those fires, and because of people who are living they may be increasingly affecting the populations. >> bob, because you do have the larger fires, does that contribute to changing the climate when you have all of the
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heat and all of that smoke? >> well, certainly, there are local and regional effects from the fires, and especially large scale fires. i don't believe that the impact of fire risks is all that great except when you have hot weather and dry conditions, those will reinforce each other, and the main quality is on the air pollution and less on climate chang change. >> thank you bob henson. we appreciate it. authorities in south dakota trying to figure out what caused a military air tanker to crash while fighting a wildfire sunday. the military officials say that the fate of the crew is not needily known. the c-130 tanker crashed while fighting a fire near edge mont. now, for the former penn state assistant football coach jerry sandusky has been convicted of sexual abuse charges, the investigation now focuses on penn state, and what officials did or didn't do to stop him. a newly uncovered 11-year-old e-mail suggests that the president graham spanier and
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former athletic director tim r curley and former d.p. gary schultz decided it would be more humane to keep it quiet. if you go grocery shopping in seattle, washington, and you like the plastic bags? well, forget about it, because the new bag law went into effect sunday and plastic is out. many of the shoppers have been caught by surprise to help out the folks, some stores are giving away reusable bags for the first couple of days, but in the future, you will have to pay for those. look out. the supreme court may have decided that health care is the law of the land, but candy crowley will take a look at what is next for health care plan. >> reporter: you cannot go higher than high court, so that the way that the white house figures it health care is the law of the land, period. >> it is time to get over the debate and implement the law. >> reporter: but the problem is that settled law is one thing,
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and settleded politics is an oxymoron. >> i find it amazing when the governor and others in her party just dismiss the difference between a state having a plan, and the federal government having a plan. >> but if you look at the principle -- >> there is all of the difference in the world. >> the supreme court just dismissed that argument. >> reporter: across the sunday talk shows the debate moved from the stately chambers of the supreme court and back across the street to where it began the hallowed but divided halls of congress. >> this has to be ripped out by its roots. this is government taking over the entire health insurance industry. the american people do not want the go down this path. >> reporter: h after the fourth of july recess -- >> this is a 15-minute vote. >> reporter: the house is planning to vote on repeal of health care law and blow it up, and even the popular parts like banning insurance companies are setting lifetime caps on benefits or refusing coverage to people with pre-existing
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conditions. that's why even though repeal will pass the republican-dominated house, democratic leader nancy pelosi is smiling. >> repeal all of the things that i have said that help children, help young adults, help seniors, men or women who may have prostate cancer, breast cancer, whatever it is, any precondit n precondition, and everybody will have lower rates, and better quality care, and better access. so that's what they want to repeal. we are happy to have that debate. >> reporter: pelosi can afford to be mellow, because she knows that repeal will never pass the democratic-majority senate speak ing of which republican minority leader mitch mcconnell may be in the minority, but he happened to mention that november could change things. >> if i'm the leader of the minority i will tell the american people that repeal of obama care is job one. i insist that we have a vote on obama care again before the
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election, but in terms of achieving it, it takes a different senate with a different majority leader and d different president. >> reporter: which is where the supreme court really sent the health care debate. >> it is beyond the president and the congress and the supreme court, and the american people will be the judge and jury of this law come november. >> reporter: turns out, that you can go higher than the high court. candy crowley, cnn, washington. supreme court says that corporations can spend unlimited cash to support their favorite candidates. so my next guest says why not tax them on it? don't forget that you can watch cnn live on your computer live at work at cnn.com/v tv. the freedom you can only get from hertz to keep the car you reserved or simply choose another. and it's free. ya know, for whoever you are that day. it's just another way you'll be traveling at the speed of hertz.
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buried and in last week's supreme court decisions you could have missed the role of super pacs in the elections, and these are groups made of corporations and unions and individuals who are raising hundreds of millions of dollars for election ads and the court basically reaffirmed the right of the groups to raise and spend as much money as they want. political comedian dino says, hang on a sec. we have to get these super pacs under control. and good to see you in person by the way. you are much more handsome in person. >> well sh, thank you very much. very nice to say. >> what do you do with the super pacs out of control? how do you get them back? >> unbelievably out of control and some people don't follow politics and think that super is a good word, but it is not in this case. because they are throwing around money like a stockbroker at a strip club making it rain. >> this is rated g rated g.
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>> it is out of control and millions of dollars and the recent opinion poll will show that 70% of americans agree on one thing that super pacs should be illegal, and we agree on nothing. so something has to be done to raeign in the money of the wealthy corporations to be on the same playing field and we are getting a sense intuitive ti that our vote is not the same as someone who is giving millions of dollars to the super pac. >> how would that wosrk? how much would you tax them? >> well, that is my yid. the super pacs and i did not realize, but super pacs get billions of dollars and they don't pay one penny on the contributions, because it is like a gift. a gift a tie or bouquet of flowers and not a billion dollars to help your corporation. i think that there should be an excise tax or surcharge if it is over the $25 what we can give to a certain candidate, and it should be taxed.
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that money can be used to reduce the deficit or help the education or the financing of politics or whatever is positive. to this point, $242 million have been raised and how do compete. >> we cannot give as journalist journalists. >> not really a journalist, myself, because i can do whatever i want. >> that is right. you are a comedian. >> i am throwing away money all of the time. >> and would that break up the super pacs? a disintensive to actually contribute? >> that is what i hope. i hope we return to some sense of reasonable restrictions. up until the citizens united, the corporations could nout give a penny and the individuals were limited to $5,000 contributions. we need the go back to the days and if we can't, because it is a first amendment violation of the supreme court, then tax the super pacs and make them pay a fee. >> how much would you tax them? >> well, the business tax is fine for a certain amount, and contributions over $2,500 is
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50%. no deductions and we use the money for something good el hping people and not just giving d. >> well, some would argue that the super pacs are helping to contribute to their right to support the candidate they want. freedom of speech. >> and a recent poll showed that 70% of americans believe it is leading to corruption, and next we will talk about citizengate or some scandal, and assure as we are sitting here, and i'm in atlanta, and it won't cost much, but you can fly me down, and there will be a scandal when you are giving tens of millions of dollars to a candidate that money is quid pro quo and we will have something for something and scandals like watergate. we will wake you up for this. >> we will fly you down. >> nice to see you, suzanne. new polls show what americans think of the supreme court's decision to uphold the affordable care act. well, legalzoom came up with a better way. we took the best of the old and combined it with modern technology.
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supreme court has had the say on health care reform and many of you are weighing in across the country and one thing is certain that the issue is going to reverberate on the campaign trail. paul steinhauser is going the to join us from washington, d.c. and you have fresh numbers on americans and how they feel about the decision? >> yes, new hours out, suzanne. we went to the poll after the thursday ruling on the affordable care act by the supreme court. and what do americans think of the ruling? the first obvious questions and americans are divided.
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50% saying they agree with the decision of the supreme court to uphold the health care law and 49% saying they disagree. and suzanne, there is a partisan divide. going to the next number more than 8 in 10 democrats agree with the decision. and independents? pretty much divided 47% saying they agree and 42 saying they disagree and the republicans less than one in five agree with the health care decision, and we have seen that partisan divide for some time and it has not change changed. >> wow. it is polarizing when you look at the numbers there. pretty stark. what about how people feel about the supreme court itself? >> well, this is interesting not much change on the law or the ruling and what do people feel about the supreme court, and look at the numbers of the right column here of democrats back in april, and the democrats and the republicans and the independents around the same number when it came to the approval of how the supreme court is handling their job, and look at the jump in democrats 73% now, and republicans with a nosedive from
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52% down the 31%. and the democrats giving a thumb's up, and the republicans thumb's down. >> and what about the house, because they want to repeal the health care legislation, and how do folks feel about that? >> well, the house says they will schedule a vote next wednesday to repeal it. and we asked should they repeal all of the provisions? and again, americans are divided on this. 51% say, yes, congress should repeal the provisions in the law and 47% say no sh, and the same story. americans were divided before the decision, and will be divided after the decision, and it will play out in november. >> yes. to this point it is a rocky road for the recovery of the economy and today, we got another sign it is not getting easier. alison kosik joins us from the new york stock exchange. we are talking about the manufacturers and what is troubling about the news we are getting today? >> okay. the news we got today is yet one more piece of evidence, suzanne, that the economic recovery here
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in the u.s. is slowing in certain spots, and this is coming after may's dismal jobs report and now we are seeing the momentum slow down in manufacturing as well. what we learned is that the manufacturing sector here in the u.s. contracted sharply last month. this is why it is a big deal. it marks the end of almost three years of growth for factories, and this is not an encouraging sign for the u.s. economy and especially because the manufacturing had been a bright spot in the recovery and what is happening outside of our own borders, we are seeing now directly impacting the u.s., and look at what is happening in the eurozone, and the debt crisis and the stalling growth in china. they are having a ripple effect to factories here. and today's reading is adding to the worries that the u.s. could see an economic slowdown in the second half the year. suzanne? >> it does not count for a huge number of jobs in the manufacturing section, so why is that critical? >> well, you are right. factory jobs account for 10 to 20% of the employment here in
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the u.s. and here is the thing, they perform a key function, and the manufacturing sector was the primary industry that pulled us out of the recession and we saw that happening in the auto industry, and i is automakers ramping up, and businesses began investing more and big and expensive products. you know, with the factory activity that gives us a big idea of how much the consumers and the economy is spending, so you have to see the numbers hold up or go steady. at the same time, don't sound the alarm bells, because one report does not make a trend. it is not encouraging to see this, but one good thing that we are getting regional reports over the next few weeks, suzanne and see how they come out and whether it is a trend or a blip. >> and how is the market reacting today, alison? >> well, a mixed reaction and when the report came out, the stocks made a decisive turn to the downside. right now the dow is down about 45 points. we also learned that the eurozone jobless rate hit a record 11.1% which set the mood
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of the day, because we got that before the opening bell. that kind of kept stocks, you know, in the red as well, but in the eurozone, they have it bad with 25 million people who didn't have jobs in the eu in may. spain alone is home to more than a 1/5 of the people without jobs so that the eurozone has joined in with the weak manufacturing reports around the world. all of that is sort of adding to the losses of the day. suzanne. >> all right. thank you, alison. now the supreme court has ruled and obama care is constitutional and we are hearing all of the claims about the law, and we will separate the fact from the fiction.
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so far this year, some 20 young people under the age of 17 have been killed in chicago. four in the past week alone. now, lawmakers and advocates are trying to find ways to tackle the crisis and one mother is taking drastic measures to prevent her son from becoming a statistic. ted rowlands reports. >> and they shot through the window. >> reporter: josh turn ser talking about the time that gun fire on his street got uncomfortably close through his neighbor's window. >> it went right through the glass. >> reporter: street vie slens a part of violence on the south side, but for josh and his mother, marissa, it is too tough to handle. >> it has gotten so bad, i'm
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readiment i'm ready. >> reporter: that is to move to rome, georgia, where she wants grew up and wants josh to grow up. josh's father jeremiah was murdered when josh was 18 months old. >> not having his dad probably put more on me as far as protecting him, and that's all, that's all that matters. >> reporter: the murder rate in chicago is up more than 35% so far this year, and many of the victims are innocent and young. last wednesday, 7-year-old heaven sutton was shot standing at her front yard selling lemonade. >> i am glad that, you know, marissa is moving him out of this environment. >> josh's environment, norah, who lives across the street shows a photo display of josh's father, and she says that losing a pain of a child is unbearable and while she will miss josh,
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she can't take the pain of losing him as well. >> when i watch the news and i hear of someone else that has been killed, i just, you know, my mind goes back to the process of the initially hearing it and then after that. that after when everybody leaves you, that after. and you are left with yourself. >> reporter: josh says that moving away from his friends will be difficult, but he is looking forward to move closer to georgia and somewhere that is safe. ted rowlands, cnn, chicago. now that the supreme court has ruled the president's health care law constitutional, we are hearing the claims about the law and we will separate the fact from the fiction. you know, i have done something worthwhile. when i earned my doctorate through university of phoenix, that pride, that was on my face. i am jocelyn taylor. i'm committed to making a difference in people's lives,
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a lot being said about the affordable health care act now that the supreme court has ruled it constitutional. joining us is a reporter, researcher for politifact. obviously, health care one of the main focuses today. let's start off with this one. this is from mitt romney he says obamacare abouts trillions to our deficit and national debt. what do we think? >> we rated this one false.
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there's no doubt the health care law spends a lot of money the cover the uninsured, but it also cuts spending and raises taxes. it raises taxes on the investment income of people who make more than $250,000 a year. when the independent scorekeepers took all of this into account last time, they found it reduced the deficit, so we rated this one false. >> president obama says if you're one of more than 250 million american who is already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance. true, false, what do we make? >> we rated this one half true. the law's idea is people who get insurance through work or on medicare, they will keep that coverage. it doesn't freeze everything in place. if you're used to your employer changing premiums every year, that sort of thing, you might decide to go on a spouse's plan.
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all of that stuff is still in place. some people will decide they want to go to other plans so we rated this one-half true. >> rush limbaugh says obamacare is the largest tax increase in the history of the world. >> this one gots pants on fire. he did not need to go back to the roman empire to make this determination. it's not the biggest tax increase in the history of the united states so it can't be the biggest in fact world. when you measure it as a percentage of the economy. the taxes for world war ii were bigger. the taxes reagan signed off in the '80s to get the budget more under control, those were bigger so not true. pants on fire. >> all right. thanks for setting the record straight. great news for all of us caffeine lovers.
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euro cup and the 2012 world cup. pretty exciting stuff. congratulations to them. we'll see if the party continues. "cnn newsroom" continues right now. >> thank you. i'm in for brooke baldwin today. this is the story that has everyone talking. breaking news. american olympics jeneba tarmoh is pulling out of the runoff with a fellow sprinter. it's all about this photo. tonight's head to head race was supposed to break this amazing third place tie and figure out which one of these two friends and competitors was going to head off to the olympics to compete. she says no. she believes she won that race. she believes she won that spot fair and square.
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we'll speak with a representative of sports illustrated about this dramatic development. first though, a cnn exclusive on the pen state scandal. we have new information that's raising questions about a cover up at that university. cnn has obtained the e-mail exchanges among several ex-officials. the former president of the university, tim curley and gary schultz, the former vice president. what they talk about sheds a whole new light on how the now deceased head coach joe paterno may have influenced their actions when it came to reporting what they knew and when they learned about jerry sandusky's reported showering activities with a young boy on the campus. susan candiotti has this
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exclusive. >> reporter: cnn has been given details of four e-mail exchanges from sources with knowledge of the case raising new questions about what penn state knew and when they knew it. the e-mails are between vice president and the president and athletic director discussing the now infamous 2001 shower incident where mike mcquery said he saw sandusky sexually assaulting a young boy. the first e-mail is dated february 26th, 2001. that's 16 days after mcquery reports to his boss coach joe paterno about what he had seen in the shower. paterno testified it was sexual nature. by now mcquery testified he's told athletic director and v.p. about exactly what he saw. a boy with his hands up against the walls with sandusky behind him. the e-mails don't mention
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sandusky by name instead calling him the subject and person. in the first exchange schultz messages curley about a three part plan, contacting the suspect and the chartable organization and department of welfare. the next night, curley indicates change of heart. he sends an e-mail to the president of penn state and refers to a conversation they had earlier. he says he wants to talk things over with sandusky and work with him before deciding whether to contact child welfare. he also refers to coach paterno. did something he said change curley's mind. after giving more thought and talking it over with joe yesterday, i'm uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. i'm having trouble with going to everyone but the person
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involved. i would be more comfortable meeting with the person and tell him about the information we received and tell him we are aware of the first situation. the first situation he's referring to is a separate shower incident sandusky had with a boy in 1998. sandusky was not charged at the time. he was convicted of both incidents at trial. curley plans to tell sandusky, we feel there's a problem and offer professional help and at some point soon inform his organization. sandusky's second mile and quote, maybe the other one. according to a source with knowledge of the e-mails, he's referring to child welfare. if sandusky is quote cooperative, we would work with him. if not, we do not have a choice and will inform the two groups. two hours later, penn state's
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president responds and agrees with the approach. i am supportive. and adds this. the only downside for us is if the message isn't heard and acted upon. we then become vulnerable for not having reported it. but that can be assessed down the road. he calls the plan humane and a reasonable way to proceed. the next day v.p. weighs in with an alleged e-mail to the president and athletic director cu curley. this is a more humane and up front way to handle this. we will inform his organization with or without his cooperation. we can play by ear to decide about the other organization. another reference to outside authorities. that never happened. authorities say records show suspicions about sandusky in 2001 were never reported to any outside agency.
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victim five was molested by sandusky in a penn state shower about six months after the mcquery incident and sandusky went on to be abuse at least three other boys. years later all testified at trial. they are already charged with perjury and failure to report suspected child abuse. they pleaded not guilty. his lawyer did not return repeated calls. lawyers provided this statement. as pennsylvania governor stated, if we were going to do this case, we hadded to have the best possible case to go against somebody like mr. sandusky who was loved by everybody. lawyers asked, the reasonable and humane thing to do was to assess the best way to handle
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vague but troubling allegations. faces with tough situation, good people try to do they're best to make the right decisions. a spokesman for joe paterno's family said he did the right thing. he reported to his boss what mcquery told him. the spokesman said everyone should want the truth and joe always told the truth. several state and federal investigations remain under way. susan candiotti, cnn, new york. >> i want to take us to our cnn contributor. we heard a very detailed accounting of what was in these e-mails. this sounds brutal not only from a civil but a criminal area of law. let's talk criminal first. is there any concern that the president of the united states who has not yet been charged could be charged criminally g e given what is in the e-mails.
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>> under pennsylvania law, his chief area of liability would be the failure to report what he knew, what the e-mails suggest he knew about the child abuse. however, his defense is going to be that under this strange law in pennsylvania because he wasn't a direct supervisor of the children involved and because the children involved weren't even involved in penn state program, they were second mile children. >> up it happened on his campus under his watch by one of his employs, and he was told about it. >> he was told about it. the attorneys for the two administrators, they are asserting even curley and schultz didn't have a reporting liability. >> you're killing me with the reporting requirement. i get that we don't have a duty to respond to crimes. i don't have to stop a mugger
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from hurting an old lady on the street. in pennsylvania, i do have to report child abuse. how did they get pass on that? >> defense attorneys are saying that's not true. they don't have an obligation to report child abuse unless they have supervisory responsibility. >> this sounds crazy. this is not logical. >> people would be stunned by the fact that the law, criminal law is very, very strict saying you can charge somebody with a crime only if there's a clear statute outlining what responsibility is. i'm not saying the president of penn state gets away with no charges criminal or civil. i'm saying under this statute it's going to be a tough uphill battle to implicate him in a criminal case. civil is different. >> let's talk civil. that's the first thing i thought
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when i woke up to these e-mails. i got to talk to paul exposu exposure. that's the word the president was using. let me set up the e-mail i want to read for our audience. it has to do with these three officials. discussing a three part response to what mike mcquery thought he saw in that shower. he saw a young boy with hands up against the shower wall and heard rhythmic slapping. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what was happening. this is an e-mail from the athletic director to the president and it's copied to gary. it indicates that there was a
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conversation that tim had with joe paterno and that three part plan changed the next day. after giving it more thought and talking it over with joe yesterday, i'm uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. i'm having trouble with going to everyone but the person involved. this could implicate joe paterno. we can't ask him anymore. could we extrapolate from that it implicates the university because joe paterno was involved? >> this is a smoking gun e-mail. it implicates penn state university at the highest level because it involves the president. attorneys are trying to prove that penn state knew they had a child abuser and they did not report it and did nothing to stop it and others were abused as a result. >> they used the word humane as the reason why they need to
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temper this response and go with plan b instead of three prong plan which is tell the authorities, tell the second mile and talk to sandusky himself. we know there were several years of accusers who became victims in court. >> i think a jury will be so stunned by the philosophy of if they thought that a child had been abused to just say, well, let's not let him in our shower rooms anymore. let's let him go back to his child charity. it's horrific behavior by an educational institution. >> i got to wrap this up. the president wrote this final e-mail. i wonder if there isn't a nail in the coffin if there is a coffin. the only downside, that's changing the plan, the only downside for us is if message isn't heard and acted upon, and then we become vulnerable for not having reported it, but that
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can be assessed down the road. are we at the point down the road where it's going to be assessed? >> we're not only down the road, but he's saying, you know something, if he goes out and abuses another child, we're in the soup. could be a problem. if you're saying that, you clearly know you're dealing with a potential child abuser and you've got an obligation to protect the child so zifcivil attorneys will say. >> could they be facing hundreds of millions of dollars? >> we can compare it to two other cases. the biggest one in boston. they had an $85 million fund they had to put together. philadelphia had a huge amount of money put aside. we're talking multi, multimillions of dollars in damages. >> i knew you'd have the answer. i'm sorry we had to meet on this topic but it defies logic. >> it's a shocker. we report on mississippi's
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mississippi abortion providers have to be ob/gyns. number two, they have to have privileges at an area hospital. lawmakers say just in case the patient had to be admitted. on sunday a judge issued a restraining order blocking that law until a hearing can be done on the 11th of july when the clinic's petition against the law can be heard. the lawmaker behind the bill says he's disappointed. >> the bill was signed april 16th, over 70 days ago so the facility has had plenty of times to be in compliance. this is a health issue in my opinion. i wish it would have been enforced on july 1st. >> it wasn't enforced because of this restraining order. joining me is the clinic's
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owner. thank you for being with me today. break this down for me. what is the problem with these two requirements? why is it difficult to fulfill, a being an ob/gyn and b, having privileges at the hospital? >> we are all board certified. that's not the problem. one of us have admitting privileges and that's not the problem. that's not what this is about. that's a financial relationship between a doctor and a hospital. my doctors are not local. they have no patients to see them. i'm not of interest to a hospital. nevertheless, we have done everything we can to apply for privileges. we're in the process of doing that now. it's a lengthy process. that's where we were. we were not finished with that. that's why we had to file the temporary restraining order.
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>> those who support this law say it's all about safety. it's not political. it's about making sure if something goes wrong at the clinic, the doctor can go right with the patient at the hospital and be by that patient's side and do everything they can to make sure nothing happens. to that end, i'm got a response from mississippi's governor. through his spokesperson he says governor bryant believes it's an important step in strengthening abortion regulations and protecting the health and safety of women. the federal judges decision is disappointing. that being the one to block this law from going into effect and the governor plans to work with state leaders to ensure this legislation properly takes effect as soon as possible. on the surface, that doesn't sound like a problem. that sounds like it's about the safety of the patients. why is that anything other than it sounds like? >> he's not every used the word safety and health of the patient
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until now when it's pointed out to him he's using the words can't wait to put the only abortion clinic out of business. it's the safest procedure done today. it's nine to 14 times safer than childbirth. we have a transfer agreement with a local hospital. it's not the option. there's not a problem here with complications. we're in excellent standing with the health department. we've been issued our 2013 license. this is a political maneuver only. these guys haven't been subtle about it. throughout this entire ordeal, safety has never been mentioned. putting the clinic out of business has been. now that they have been aware that safety is part of a process, they're trying to catch up. it's obvious here what's going on. >> okay. let me ask you this. you got nine days until the next hearing on this issue. that's how long this order blocking this law is in effect. i'm just curious as to why you
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might not be able to meet the requirements. i know a lot of doctors are from out of state, can you get through the red tape and privileges at the hospital? no harm, no foul. you can go back to business. >> application itself was 50 pages long. you know what bureaucracy is involved in any process. add to this the phone calls the ceos are getting daily. couple that with the thought of a hospital having picketers in front of it every day. i can assure you these hospitals are quaking in their boots. you might want to put a call into a few hospitals and see what kind of response you get for that. you're talking about women's health care and you're a woman. think about what that means to you that intimidation and fear alone is what they're using under the guise of safety.
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this is political. >> i'm also trying to play the devil's advocate against you. you've had 70 days until now. is it impossible to fulfill the requirements. >> call the hospital and ask them. >> i'm ask you. can you fulfill the requirements in 79 days? >> it depends on whether a hospital is willing to do that. i don't know what the answer is. we've been calling them weekly and have not received a response so perhaps cnn can call and find out what is the normal time period on that. >> all right. i'm very appreciative you have coming on and talking with us. we'll follow the story. >> thank you. >> we'll look forward to a follow up with you. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. look at this state of colorado. firefighters gaining ground. look at what the fires have left behind. look at what people are coming home to. yes, this was home.
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millions of americans are sweating through another blistering hot day today. there doesn't seem to be a lot of relief in store. no power, no way to cool it off. look at the map. you've seen a color like that? not for a long time. there is 18 states under heat warnings. some temperatures are cooling off to a mere 99 degrees. cooling off. weekend storms ripped through neighborhoods. this was heat related leaving a lot of people without electricity. the death toll stands at 19 because of these storms.
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crews have been scrambling to get power back to people who need air-conditioning and need fan. it can take until friday before they can get power back to everybody. friday is a long time to wait in these temperatures. i want to take you to colorado. another heat related story. families evacuated the waldo canyon fire are getting to go home. for a lot of them it's nothing like it was when they left. a deep and emotional trip back into the embers. ted and kate walk us through the ashes of what used to be their home. >> this is our first look at it after the fire. we'll go for a tour around. there's not much left. >> this is what was the garage. you can see the gutter that's
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fallen down. the only thing left of the garage is the brick standing here and the brass picture that we really didn't like any way, but it made it. >> our barbecue on the back lawn has survived. there was a metal upper part of this. you can see the remains of it. it's just completely melted down to nothing. our yard chairs, which is, this is where i actually saw the fire start from this seat here looking up into those mountains. >> the smell out here, it still smells like ashes and soot and just burn. now like campfire or smoke but just burn. it just pretty sad. the good thing is that we have a lot of neighbors that their homes survived. we've been getting hugs and meeting communities and the firefighters and police
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officers. we're grateful and thankful for their help an support. >> just unbelievable. imagine that pillar to be the only thing left of the garage. there were over 30,000 people evacuated, but those evacuation orders have been lifted and there's just about 3,000 people who can't go back to their homes yet. the weather conditions are getting better. that's helping a lot of firefighters to get the upper hand. we're happen to report that the waldo canyon fire is now 55% contained. new developments just into cnn in an amazing finish. u.s. olympic trials, the photo finish that everyone has seen. this was for the number three spot on the olympic team and two of them tied. who gets it? who goes? it's supposed to be a runoff, and guess what, there's not going to be a runoff.
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the olympics games. remember this photo. the photo finish. it was to close that track officials couldn't determine who was ahead. 3,000 frames were second and they still couldn't figure it out. they guessed it was a tie. a run off race was planned for this evening for the third and final spot on the 100 meter spring team. problem is one of those two runners, happy friends, smiling in better times said no way. i'm out. she said this isn't fair. maggie is hear to explain.
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what is she thinking by pulling out? >> all the drama taken out of this race. she said she declined her spot and will give it to allyson felix after this whole week it took to get to this final decision and there was going to be a runoff. the fact they had no parameters to settle a tie like this when it's a third place finish. she said that's it. i think mental fatigue. this is her first year as a professional. >> she's been training for four years. why not give it one last shot tonight? >> it's so hard to put yourself in the shoes of them like that. they do train so hard every day for four years. it's all there as a regimen and this completely threw it off. she said she's rather not race. >> my litigation brain is saying she is laying the ground for a challenge. i did my victory happen and said
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maybe not so fast. is she laying the ground work to challenge and sayi ining i'm go through the legal route? >> at this point anything could happen. we've never seen anything like this before where you had the photo finisher give her the third place and a track official overturn it. as far as her challenging, maybe she can. i don't know if it would do anything before the games. i don't know what she could gain at this point. >> you can't leave. you're just going to have to keep following this. >> it's a crazy story that just keeps twisting and turning. >> you guys are doing well on it. thanks for coming in again. he is the fresh face, but he's from the old guard. take a close look. that's the face you'll look at a lot. he's projected to win mexico's presidential race.
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in the saddle again after yesterday's elections. the new president, that's him. enrique pena nieto is 45 years old. he leads the pri party. that party ruled mexico for 71 years. probably best known for squelching dissent. when you say those two things, it doesn't sound good. has there been a revival? has there been a wholesale change of the pri or have we turned the clock back? >> that's yet to be seen. don't forget they also stole a couple of elections along be way. there's a lot of uncertainty for
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the pri even if they win by 40%. 60% of the voters voted against the pri. he just made a statement saying he will continue to protect mexico's democracy and create more economic opportunity and continue fight against the cartel. he has a very long laundry list. mexican voters seem to believe it. this guy who is institutional. he's a new face. he's a big change, and that he can deliver the sort of change, economic security. >> the outgoing president is big on the drug war, but the president before that said as early as may that the war on drugs has been an absolute failure. it's time to consider legalization. what do we know about this incoming president and his commitment to fight not just
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crime but the cartel which really affects us. >> he wants to get the mexican military off the streets but still wants to go after the cartel. he wants to take it to the drug trade and treat it more as an insurgency. slowly but surely getting the mexican military units off the streets and treating it as it's a crime problem. >> okay. thank you. this is a new attempt to solve a years long mystery. what happened to amelia earhar
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the first woman to circumnavigate the bloeb. the plane disappeared 75 years ago today. one is that she crashed on or near a remote island kind of in the middle of nowhere. take a look. some people believe there's proof she was there. there's a group headed there on a boat. joining me live from on board that boat is rick gillespie. we talked three months ago on the air. this was in the planning phase and you're going there now. there was this photograph with our new technology. a photo that was taken three months after she disappeared that might have showed landing gear but you have even more now. explain what made this even better. >> what makes this the best
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expedition is the technology we've been able to assemble to search for the wreckage of that airplane. we have an autonomous vehicle. we have multibeam sonar above the university of hawaii ship we're on right now. we have a remote operated vehicle to check out the targets, high definition camera. we're all set. >> after i spoke to you, it was probably two months after this conversation of this spectacular photograph that gave you such excitement and all the gear that you just mentioned, there was something else that came down the spike.
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that was some revelation that radio transmissions from 75 years ago, about 57 of them had kind of been ignored way back when. not so ignored now. what's the story? >> well, we've been working on that for 12 years but we just cently published the report on it. 120 reported radio distress calls of which 57 are credible. that doesn't mean they have to be genuine. we can't find any reason they wouldn't be credible. what it really comes down to is one of two things had to be true. either the airplane was on an island out there sending radio distress calls or there was a hoaxer somewhere in that area that could transmit on her frequency, imitate her voice. knew things about her that
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nobody would normally know and knew she wouldn't reach the island so they could position themselves in such a remote place to perpetrate this hoax. that was ridiculous. she did not go down at sea. she was on land, and we think we know what land she was on and where to search in the water for what's left in the plane. >> you think you're headed there now. if they didn't see the segment you and i did before, i want you to remind people watching. there's some artifacts found on this island. i'm referring to a jar of cream and a couple of other things that may have belonged to her. what did you find there? >> we've been examining a castaways camp site where we know the remains were found just three years after she disappeared. what we have been finding are artifacts, personal care items that speak of an american woman
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in the 1930s. a woman's compact. a jackknife. a double bladed bone handle jackknife that we know was aboard her airplane. bottles of personal care products. broken now, but we've been able to test the remnants and reading the coating. a bottle of hand lotion. very popular in the 1930s. the ointment pot you spoke of. a jar of what may have been freckle cream. dr. berry's freckle cream. it was an ainointment that made your freckles fade. >> just amazing. >> all these things we can't explain unless the woman we think was there was there. >> i'm going to make date once again to speak with you when you
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have completed your journey. this is for discovery too. let's meet back here and let me know if you were successful or not. >> we have to stop meeting like this. >> you should have invited me on the boat. why aren't you skyping from on deck? >> good luck. >> this is where we can get wi-fi. i got to show you this. it's all over the papers. they're calling it quits. now there is speculation over why they are splitting up. we're going to dig into how religion makes for an ugly divorce. [ male announcer ] considering all your mouth goes through, do you really think brushing is enough to keep it clean?
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all right. it was an iconic moment to say the very least. it raised a lot of eyebrows and dropped a lot of jaws. it showed one side of america's biggest movie star that few had never seen before. take a peek. >> have you ever felt this way before? >> that was then and this is now. from 2005 when tom cruise announced to the world and oprah's sofa that he was in love with katie holmes to today, five years after they wed, this couple is splitting up.
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holmes has found for divorce in the jurisdiction of new york. cruise was said to be surprised. sources are saying that katie was concerned about tom's desire to immerse their daughter, suri, into hard core signtology training. she's suing for full custody of that have daughter. once religion comes into play and especially a custody battle, things can get dicy and fast. joining me is defense attorney joey jackson. this is tricky. it gets tricky. lots of people have differences about where to spend difference christmas. >> we have come a long way since the days of the couch. we never know what's going on with someone.
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the whole religion thing, here is the problem. the problem is that the courts try to address what's in the best interest of the child. at the same time you have parental rights. parents want to raise their kids in the religion they want to. the court will say does an religious belief pose a harm. courts generally say you can have religious beliefs and two parents can share them. you can have one that happens to be catholic and you can raise them in both. that doesn't cause harm. there's two cases in particular really quickly. there's one case and it came out of washington state where one parent was a mormon and the other was a catholic. the mormon said we don't want you doing anything relating to catholics. the court said you can do that. you can share in both. there's another one out of state of ohio and the supreme court said when one was the catholic and the other was the jehovah
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witness, the court said it's fine. limiting social activities of a child is okay. it doesn't get in the way of parenting or anything else. the court said do whatever you choose. >> we all know about prenups and what could end up down the road. has anyone considered a legal document in how to deal with children? >> that's the problem. you can have a pre-nup but it addresses the distribution of properties and assets. it cannot address any issues welating to the child. they have to be brought to court. both parents have to make their case and the parent who makes it most forcefully, they may get the custody. >> regardless of these crazy headlines that are all over the tabloid papers, we don't know if that's the issue. it doesn't bring up a fascinating concept about
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religion, divorce and custody. what if the judge is a signtologist, would he have to recuse himself? >> oh yeah. >> i can't stump you on anything. all right. tax, tax, tax. that's what republicans are saying over and over about president obama's health care law. an advisor from mitt romney surprised everybody when talking about the republican stance. you are going to want to hear what was said. ♪ anything 'cause you mean everything to me ♪ ♪ i'd know that i'd go anywhere ♪ ♪ for your smile ♪ anywhere ♪ yes, i'd do anything ♪ anything for you ♪
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the supreme court's decision on health care has a lot of people riled up on both sides of the aisle. check out some of the poll numbers. 50% agree with the supreme court's decision to uphold obama care, but 49% disagree. this has republicans continue to say that this health care mandate is called tax. joe jones is live from des moines, iowa. i guess that's the issue. is it a tax? is it a penalty? what do americans say? >> reporter: it's a matter of semantics. if you ask americans a common sense question, they're going to give you a pretty common sense answer. that's what we found in the latest cnn orc poll. something like 60% said it's a tax. this is a tax. the problem is that if you
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accept the fact that it's a tax, then you're agreeing with the united states supreme court and the united states supreme court said it's constitutional because it's tax. that is something a lot of republicans, including mitt romney are not going to agree on. mitt romney's own leading communications spokesman talked about that. as far as they're concerned, not a tax. listen. >> the governor disagreed with the ruling of the court. it clearly stated that the mandate was not a tax. >> reporter: whatever you call it, apparently it takes money out of americans pockets and sends that money to the united states government. what would you call it? >> i like to call it as i see it, but i really like to listen to the americans call it as they see it. here is what i need to ask you.
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we've had a lot of republican disciples saying the american people do not agree with this law. what does the polling say about american people and whether they agree or disagree with this law? >> reporter: that's a big question of repeal. mitt romney's been going around the country saying he wants to replace and repeal the obama health care plan. republicans on capitol hill say they will hold a vote in e house of representatives on july is 11 to repeal it even though it won't get anywhere in the senate. the polling shows about 51% of americans think repeal is a good idea. that means a very close split. when you consider the margin of error, it pretty much indicates americans are 50/50 on this issue. not overwhelming in favor of repeal as many have suggested in the past. >> it's not surprising when you
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break down the numbers that things are different than politicians tell you on either side. thank you. it's the top of the hour. i'm ashleigh banfield. we've got some new video that's just in to us. brace yourself. this is women and children escaping their homes in southern syria. the wall they're going over. look closely. they are scaling over that wall that is riddled with glass and nails. more than 14,000 people have now died since the uprising in syria began and many, many of them have been children. many have been women. the next video that we have for you is chilling. we think it's important that you see it. it underscores what's going on there. brace yourself in you have kids in the room. give them a moment to get out a look what has transfired over the last couple of days.
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