i didn't realize i was going to be elevated to a level where people are going to be looking at it like something special. >> i was 7 years old. the first olympic games i ever watched on television with any kind of real interest or be old enough to understand what was going on. you were like this incredible fish. every time you went in the water, everyone else had to get out of there. and you also had the most incredible mustache that anyone had ever seen. which is now gone. >> i know. i grew that mustache out of spite because my college coach said you need to look like the all-american boy. so it took me for about five or six months to grow that mustache. i had intentions of shaving it off. i said wow, they're not figuring out how to beat me, i might as well keep this thing. but i had the intention to shave the thing off the day before competition. and i had a chance to swim in the olympic venue just one more time in the evening because we never had a chance to practice in the pool in the evening and the russians were there.

they let me swim in the side lane. and one of the questions were are you going to shave this thing off? i came up with this thought. no, i'm not going to shave it off. >> well, doesn't it slow you down? i deflect the water away from my mouth. it's much more smooth. every russian swimmer that was a male had a mustache the following year. i figure it must have been good. it worked for me. >> you became this huge poster boy for american sport afterwards. what are your memories of that olympics? other than michael phelps, no one has ever been in that position. you were very confident. you had said in the previous games, you thought you would win everything. you came with a bit more pressure at the '72 games. and you swept the board. talk me through what it was like. >> i had a difficult time from 1968 games in mexico city where i was kpexpected to win a lot o gold medals. it's pretty remarkable. but the problem was is that i

didn't win a gold medal in two events i held a world record in. in fact, one of them i got a silver medal. and the other one, i qualified first in the prelims and got dead last. and wouldn't you know it, it was the first event of the olympic games in the 200 meter butterfly. so there was a guy name ed doug russel that beat me. i wanted to go for another four years and i found it kind of difficult to work out and train. but i had to focus. the focus was to do the best i could. and over the course of what i learned was a mistake of not being able to swim all of those events in one particular competition. i started to do that. and the year before, in houston, texas, i won the individual events and got the solvent award which was the best athlete amateur in america. so i realized i had the capacity to be able to accomplish this, at least in theory, on paper. and then thank goodness my coaches encouraged me. >> when you're standing there

having won the 7th consecutive gold, putting you into a very rare, small number and playing the anthem for the 7th time, what is that emotion like? >> i was so happy it was over. >> it was exhausting, wasn't it? >> it really was. the program started on a monday and continued on through the following monday. so over an eight-day period of time, i swam every single day but friday. i was in the water 13 different times. we had the prelims, the semifinals, what have you. and each day that i swam and i won a gold medal, it was one brick shy load of getting off of the cart. so i felt i was having a better go of it. but i was exhausted by the time i came to my last event. i have to say that the last stroke that i took at the olympic games, i don't think i could have taken another stroke. i was a hundred percent up until the last stroke and i literally had one drop of gas.

>> what does it take to be a true olympic champion, do you think? what are the qualities that anybody needs to get there? >> i think a coach. and the su port of your family and a good system. being in a program where there's a lot of great athletes is a very enlightening thing. my family moved me from one town to santa clara, krae kra. >> you were a natural. your family said even as a young kid, you run into the sea to swim like a maniac. is that right? >> i didn't run into the sea with the thought that i was going to have to swim 26,000 miles, have a 14-year career. >> is that how many miles you swam? >> i kind of calculated that out. but there were a lot of people that swam the same amount that i did. >> what made you different? >> i hated the idea of losing. i built just one day at a time. i became a world-record holder and a 400 meter free style,

which most people don't know is my first record. i broke a world record. >> you broke 33 world rourds, is that right? >> i broke two world records that from a technicality, should have been counted. because they were done in the same day by the same person, i didn't get recognized in the order. so if i breek it in the prelims and went a little faster, it only counted the final time. >> so you should have 35? >> who's kounting? >> you are. that's what makes it the edge. that's the edge, isn't it? it's that kind of mind that says i may have won 33. but it should have been 35. it still rankers with you. >> i got off a plane in 2000. somebody said what has been the greatest journey? i said how about winning 7 gold medals. no, i don't think that.

he said well, what i did, i analyze swimming like bass ball statistics. from the very first world record that you have, not counting prelims and semifinals, just the time you were in the finals, and you have to take your collegiate and what they call "short course" program away, you couldn't break a world record. just long swimming. you swam approximately 75 times and you had basically 33-35 world records. so almost 50% of the time, you actually broke a world record. but more importantly, the last two years of my career, i swam 20 times and broke a world record 19 of those times. my competitors obviously knew that. that helped me. so each day i won a gold medal, my competitors were second-guessing whether or not they trained, rested enough, whether or not the room was quiet enough and the food was good. here, they were watching mark spitz time in and time again, become successful. that's the reason michael phelps

has become so successful. it's quite arduous to get to that level of training and the sight that you need to put on yourself to win on a daily basis. but it really helps to be able to use that moving forward. >> let's take a short break and come back and talk with michael phelps. i sat down with him for an hour and i found him a fascinate k guy. not least of which, because having met you now, i see a lot of similarities. [ mrs. hutchison ] friday night has always been all fun and games

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>> you know, we saw michael come on the scene actually four years before in athens at the olympic games there where he attempted to swim in eight different events. so i knew that he had the capacity to be able to attempt to break my record. and i just knew it was a matter of time. if he just stayed healthy for the next four years, we obviously saw what he was able to do in beijing. i actually felt a tremendous relief. i mean, records dshl you heard the cliche. records are made to be broken. and why should my records be exclusive that you can't break my records? and it was just a matter of time that somebody would come along -- listen. i inspired somebody not even born to try to achieve a goal for himself, primarily, which is michael's goal. not mark spitz's goal to do the best he could. and in the process, my record got broken. why wouldn't i be proud? my accolade to the sport was the fact that he was able to do that. >> when i interviewed him, he's

physically impressive. he had an aura about him of invincibility. it was a guy who just knew he was head and shoulders -- in fact, in his case, massive wingspan shoulders above everybody else. and he had that aura and swagger. you have that, too. do you recognize that in a true champion? >> i think what a true champion has is the ability to be able to know his competitors. and everything about his competition and then try to make one or two less mistakes than those he competes against. and, on a regular basis that they do that, quantitatively saying is that he may have only been four or five percent better than everybody. but since it was always four or five percent better than everybody, the illusion was that he was so grand. and that's what makes a great champion. they're able to repeat that time and time again. not every time you come to a swimming pool do you feel great. or if you're in boxing, i knew

muhammad alley. he knew he had to rise to the occasion, and they did. >> you and michael phelps, no goggles, you could wear a cap if you want, but you didn't. so the old fashioned way, right now, the peak of both of your powers, who would win? >> i've been asked that question before. >> have you ever honestly answered it? >> i've answered it based on what i just said. if i was great because i knew everything i needed to know to beat that other person, then i would have to know everything there would be necessary to beat michael. and likewise, he would have to know everything to beat me. so the answer is we'd have to tie. however, there's a catch -- wait. there's a caveat to that. somebody else who opposed that question said you won by greater margins. so therefore, you know how to beat your competition by greater margins. well, i'd like to say, you know, selfishly, may believe i might beat him.

so i would have to say relentlessly, yeah, of course i would want to beat him. it wouldn't matter whether i had a cap on or a fur coat. as long as we had the same. >> he, i suspect, if he's honest, would say i would beat you. >> well, i think that when i look back that obviously you've posed a question that's never going to happen. the reality is is that some day, there will be another michael phelps who will say the same thing what michael said. i just want to be myself. but the benchmark of who they are and the watershed is praelly to identify trying to implement and emulate that person to the best you can. >> are you friends? >> i haven't talked to him that much. in the environment that i've met him is handing him an award. the first time i met him was to qualify to swim at the olympic games. and i whispered something in his

ear and the press said what did you say? i said sort of private. eventually, they pulled it out of me. and what i said to him was i know you can do this. just stop listening to the press but give them all the time they want. >> what do you make of all of the drug abuse in sport -- particularly athletics. you see great champions toppling down like dominos, caught cheating. what do you think of it? >> i think that the international olympic committee has done a great job of trying to police drugs. they were the first to do it back in 1968 at olympic games in mexico city. and they're not perfect. they try to get as best they can all of the offenders. but i think there's a little bit of design to let the best fall through the cracks. they list all of the performance-enhancing drugs about 6-9 months ahead of time so that those athletes will get a whiff of if you're on this stuff, don't take it anymore.

but then that gives a drug buffet of anything else that's out there that won't be tested for. so the old school drugs seem to make the list first before the new school drugs. and drug companies do not make performance-enhancing drugs. this is all off label usage that has been discovered from the communist coaches that were made back in the '80s and '90s. you have to say to yourself if it's only going to improve my performance by 8 or 9% and i'm not going to get a gold medal, why am i doing that? >> is the simple answer that you just ban the cheats for life? >> the question is if the penalty is great enough to where you're out of a sport for four years, the odds are that you're not going to get that second chance because that's almost a lifetime in sports at that elite level. so the craziness of the rules just is that most people don't know what the rules are. i rebel there was an incident back in 1999 in perth, australia.

and there was somebody from clo china that brought in human growth hormone. and they also had the masking drug which meant if you cheated the cheat, instead of having a four-year penalty, you had a two-year penalty. it's ridiculous. and since the chinese brought the drug in, less than two years prior to the olympic games in sydney, they ruled to make it a 6-month penalty so at least the chinese could go ahead and compete in the olympic games. so there is sort of a twisting of the rules. >> see, i would test every single athlete after every single event. anybody found guilty, that's it for life. trust me, within two years, there would be no more cheats. >> they do test every single athlete that gets first, second or third place and one at random. but that's for the drugs that are on that list. if the drug is not on that list, there's no way they're going to find them. >> it's sad, i think.

it's sad that it's so prevalent. let's take another break. let's look at another very, very sad event. back at munich, your year at the olympics. i want to talk to you about your memories of that after the break. stay in the moment sanya

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they now said that there were 11 hostages. two were killed in their rooms yesterday morning. nine were killed at the airport tonight. they're all gone. >> a moment sered into olympic history, announcing the hostages were all dead. the tragedy stunned the world. great mark spitz won 7 gold medals at that olympics. mark, you're jewish. a shattering event. what are your memories of it? >> well, for me, and the whole swimming community, swimming was over before this happened. we finished in the evening of monday and this happened into the early hours, as we know, into tuesday. i had gone out with a gentleman by the name -- two gentleman who was a photograph er sports

illustrated and a guy named jerry christianbalm who wrote all kinds of articles for me who became the editor of "time" magazine later on. everybody was cheering me, wanting to throw me drinks, i don't drink, you know, at the restaurant that evening. at 9:00 in the morning, i woke up and wednesday to the press conference and they were the first to meet me and said did you hear what happened? i said i don't understand what's going on. whand was i was with you last night. i don't know anything. well, there's about 1500 press people in this room and there's been a lockdown. supposedly, there's some terrorist activities there in the village. they had these high-powered zoom lenses and we saw for the first time, that athlete coming out talking to what appear today be a hoes tes. but the hostess was a crisis negotiator.

we had no sound, so it was like whoa, this is happening almost in slow motion. i went back in with now police to get back into the village. and then the chancellor of germany was in my room saying everything is fine. we're going to take care of you. and then i was ushered out -- this was about 10:30 in the morning. at 5:30, i was ushered out, went down into a car, had an army blanket put over my head, drove out of the village so nobody knew i was in the car, taken to the airport and flew to london. >> had you been identified as a potential target? >> you know, that's a great question. i don't think so. here, obviously, they must have had this well-planned years in advance or months in advance and here i was a jewish athlete, was american. i was winning all of these gold medals. everybody knew where i was. if they had a change of heart in plan, they could have immediately come to my room. so i didn't really feel that i was in the cross hairs.

>> awful day, though. >> it was terrible. e me i mean, you know, the olympic games today, is modelled based not only on the security for the athletes, but the press, the media and the spectators of a host city. and the international olympic committee has done a great jobl to protect everybody, but it's totally dimpblt. i became a news event and then, all of the sudden, became a tragedy. and then it became elevated at a much higher level. and we're talking about it right now. 40 years later. >> extraordinary. as london approaches, a lot of american athletes, you know, competing, about to compete and so on. what is it like to represent america as an athlete? >> well, you know u i just watched the olympic trials, recently, with my son. and we noticed that in swimming, we only take two per e ventd. and the third place person that

got left home had the third fastest time in the world. had he been brauought, he might have been winning a medal. it's quite an honor to represent the united states for your sport. there's a lot of training that goes behind, you know, getting to that level. a lot of pressure. but the reward is standing on the award stand, you know, just watching. and it all unfolds your success. you know, that's why you see people cry. >> yeah, because when they played the anthem and all the work is suddenly worth it, i can see even now you're emotional about it. >> it's kind of strange because i didn't have an opportunity to enjoy any of it. to me, i was on a mission. i just didn't have any time to reflect, what so ever. >> do you swim? >> i try to swim a couple days a week. i walk for about 45 minutes to an hour to try to stay in shape and clothes are very revealing. >> you look in great shape, i have to say.

how old are you now? >> i'm 62. >> you look better than me. >> no, i don't think so. >> i try and swim, but i don't think i go quite the same speed you did. did you time yourself? >> that would be a big mistake. that would be a big mistake! where do you swim? i'm fascinated by this. >> well, there's a master swim program at u.c.l.a. and there's a bunch of guys that used to be competitive swimmers and a bunch of people that never really had a chance and there's master's programs all over the world. matter of fact, i went back to munich a number of years ago. they had the world master's swim championships. it was a meet where they had about almost 12,000 athletes. timed event onld. it's like carp et. it's like watching frut, you know, getting processed in a mill. these swimmers kept going off and off and off. in some events, they started the race before the last person got out at the other end. but there was such excitement and enthusiasm. but i believe sports is really

great. >> when you get in the pool at these master's, you still want to kill them, don't you. be honest. >> you know, i'll tell you a funny story. >> do you ever lose? >> well, i get in a slow lane so i can win. how is that for an answer? >> have you lost a swimming race in the last 30 years? >> not really. >> mark spitz, it's been a real pleasure. thank you very much for joining me. use your computer, your smartphone, your tablet, whatever. the point is, you have options. oh, how convenient. hey. crab cakes, what are you looking at? geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.

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i'll get her. >> grace, the lying cheating one is here. >> oh, my god. >> what did you do? >> well, you said to keep him busy. he's busy? >> "something to talk about" just one of her films in a 30-year acting career. she's also got one of hollywood's best marriages, being one degree of separation from kevin bacon in the last 25 years. don't you get sick of the degrees of separation? >> yes, i do. i think he's turned it into something great. he's turned it into

sixdegrees.org, but he put that down as a joke at his expense somehow. i don't know how he spun that, but he did. but, yeah, you know, people always say now i'm just one degree away, you know. they see me on the subway. >> i can feel you visibly tensing. now, i interviewed your husband. and he's a great chap. and, b, i love what he said about you. so i'm going to make you sqrm with embarrassment by playing what your husband said about you. >> found her really, you know, very beautiful and sexy and aloof. and i was, you know, just immediately in love with her. and she was immediately put off by me. >> did you know she was the one? >> yeah. yeah. i did. >> and you were right. i mean, you'd be inseparable ever since. >> i was right. >> you're getting a little emotional. >> yeah. yeah. yep. we're lucky.

>> you said about him, recently, when he walks into a room, my heart gets a little flutter. and i thought oh, he's so cute. he's so hot. but it's really touching that you can watch him talk about you like that and get tearful about it. i mean, that is the ultimate testament to the strength of your marriage. >> yep, yep. >> do you remember the first time you met him? >> oh, yeah, absolutely. he came into -- we were doing a film. it was a pbs american playhouse film of "lemon sky." we were all getting picked up in the van. we were in cambridge, massachusetts. and he got picked up and his dog came in first and he had on this hudson bay kind of, you know, wool coat. and his black lab mix came in first and then he came in. he was aloof. it was funny to hear him say that. and my first thought was he's

really cocky. and he thinks he's so cool. and little did i know that he was not that way at all. >> 25 years of marriage so happy -- >> well, no t quite. it will be 24. >> 24. okay. but nearly a quarter of a century together. what is the trick? is it just a bit of luck in just finding the right person, do you think? >> absolutely. it's ee's absolutely in findin right person, initially. i always get uncomfortable with that question because i always feel like never take the secret to a happy marriage is to not take advice from celebrities about marriage. >> what did you find worked for you? and do you have a certain way that you are with each other which just works? >> you know, i think we did just get lucky. but i also think that we have the same priorities. and i think that helps a lot because we know that our relationship has to be sort of the primary relationship and the primary purpose of our lives, in a way, even though we have so

many other parts of our lives that are important. so that makes it easier when you have the same priorities. >> have you actually acted with him? i know he's directed you, but have you actually starred alongside him? >> yeah, "the woodsman." it was scary. i think i initially said i didn't think it was a good idea. it was a very dark film, actually, about a pedophile who was out of jail and sort of recovering. and i was afraid that it would be -- well, we met on "lemon sky." but i was afraid that it would take people out of a movie, and i felt it was an important movie to be made. but it's extraordinary to work with someone that you know is going to always throw the ball back at you. it was scary. i thaulought how is the audienc not going to be able to tell that we know each other so well. >> quite at hard when you get home, i imagine. sitting there having a glass of wine at the end of a long day's

filming and there's this dark, horrible, pedophile. and i'm going to look at this guy and pretend he's my husband. >> no, no, no. i didn't have any problems with that, no. >> you've got two adult children now. >> yeah. >> how does that feel? you don't look old enough, by the way. you look ludicrously youth vl. tell me about your kids. >> my son is about to turn 23 and my daughter is 20. and it's crazy. i turn around and look at them and i say who is that? i can't believe those kids are mine. they're big and they're -- and they're -- they are so much further along than i was at their age, even though at my son's age, i was married and had a kid. but i didn't really know who i was or -- and he really does. i'm -- i'm -- they inspire me. >> do they find it hard being

the products of two famous acting star sns. >> i don't think they know any better. they don't know any differently. so it's what they -- it's what they've always known. but i can't imagine that it hasn't been -- has its challenges, for sure. i mean, we always sort of encouraged them to think about that. but i think that they'll think about it when it's their time. i mean, it's annoying when you're -- you know, with your kid and they're telling you something very important and then someone comes in and, you know, asks for an autograph or wants to talk. and it's lovely that people want to talk to you. it's part of the gig. but it's hard when your kid feels a little -- >> yeah, it slightly blows the line, doesn't it. >> yeah, um-hmm. >> let's take a short break and talk about obama and the closer, not necessarily in that order and not necessarily together.

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cruise in 1989. you can't be that old. it's a physical impossibility. >> i drink a lot of water. i honestly, i don't know. i take care of myself, i guess. >> i mean, just work out ten hours a day? >> not ten hours a day, no. but i do like to exercise. i do it more for my head than for anything else. >> what was tom cruise like to work with? i saw you laughing the moment you saw that segment. >> well, first of all -- >> kind of an affectionate remembran remembrance? >> oh, yeah, i loved it. he was so inviting and so generous as an actor and such a hard worker. he is such a hard worker. >> he also -- he doesn't age, either. he looks exactly the same as he did in "top gun." it's quite weird, actually. >> no, i don't think it's weird. i think he takes care of himself. >> he's like in reverse. >> well, he's got good bone

structure. >> is that the secret? >> no, no. i could have better bone structure. you need to have the high cheekbones and everythg hangs on. >> i can get you a guy who can do that. >> i'm sure you can. >> now, talking of things that make your bones go creeky, what about bernie madoff? when i spoke to kevin, you had this horrible experience where you lost a lot of money. what are your feelings of him? >> are we still on that? is it still a topic of interest? >> just take him down and we can move on. >> i know you so want that. but i see him as a sick man. and i see us as adults who made a choice and i see a lot of people that are so much worse off than we are. and i think that, you know, [bleep] happens. can you say that? >> so gun with one bullet, you're walking down the street sd

-- >> no, no. he has a horrible life at this point. >> he ruined so many lives. >> i absolutely agree. >> just because you're famous -- you're taking this very well. if that was me, i would be absolutely enraged that this guy fleeced me. but you're a nicer person than me. so. >> well, no, i wouldn't say that i'm that nice. >> more forgiving. let's turn to president obama. now, you've been quite vocal about the president. you tweeted about the big roul with the pipeline. obama lost american jobs when he blocked the epa from cutting smoke and pollution. great day for exxon mobile, bad day for kids. >> well, i think nothing is more important right now. i know the economy is in trouble. but i think we have to protect our natural resources for our children. and we have to somehow curb our addiction to fossil fuel.

and the pipeline was a very, obviously, it was a very tricky subject for a lot of people because it was supposed to create a lot of jobs. but i was, from my research, i was absolutely not entirely convinced that they were jobs that would actually stick around. that they were actually allotted jobs to be had. and, for the most part, it was going through pristine land and ruining it for the future. and i don't think we have that much land to squander anymore. and that much clean water to squander anymore. >> you're an obama fan, generally? >> i love obama. i think that he has done some extraordinary things. i think he's had a really, really hard time of it. i think that he's been blamed for things that were not on his watch. and i think that given a second term, i think that he will be bolder. i think that sometimes his statesmanship gets in his way and his diplomacy gets in his

way a little bit. but, hopefully, in the second term, he'll care a little bit less than that. >> will you vote? >> oh, absolutely. a hundred percent. i'm -- i -- i get flemixed by the idea that we're not all voting. that it's such a small percentage of the country that's actually voting. >> hollywood has been slightly turning on obama recently. quite a few stars coming out saying they feel disappointed. >> i think he had impossible expectations. absolutely. i mean, everyone had all of their hopes on him. that's unrealistic. there's only so much we can do with our government of checks and balances in a four-year term. >> are you worried that the republicans may get in. >> always. i am. >> what do you think of mitt romney? >> i need to learn more about him, i think. >> what's your gut feeling? >> i, you know, i will be voting for obama.

>> very diplomatic, aren't you? >> i try to be. i'd rather not be quoted all over the country. >> you're entitled to have a say. you're an active tweeter. do you like twitter? >> i'm not as diligent about it as i should be.twitter? >> i'm not as diligent about it as i should be. kevin is much better and much more creative. >> for such a big audience, it's vaguely terrifying? >> it is vaguely terrifying. but i honestly find the twitterverse to be quite a great group of people. if i don't like something, i just block them. >> let's take another short break, coming back tell me about

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here, let me help you with that. >> that was the feisty, brilliant deputy chief on "the closer." "the closer" is the only show in cable history to be number one for five consecutive years. how do you feel about this being the end? >> it's been the end since december. and while i miss the people so much and i do love the consistent work, i -- it's been okay to take a break. it's been good, it was an extraordinary experience, it was so creatively fulfilling, more creatively fulfilling than anything i have ever done. >> does there come a point when

you just worry about, this is going to be, you have to get out of the right mode, there's so many other things that you want to do. and these shows can be brutal to make, in terms of the filming schedule. >> it's completely overwhelming and all consuming. but yeah, that's why we're done now, it was time. >> did you cry? was it emotional? >> oh, my god, it was boo-hooey. >> do you die? or has it been left open. >> i don't die. it won't ruin anything to say i don't die. >> it's nice not to see your carcass at the end of the show. what do you think now? >> i'm doing a lot of plays, i'm sleeping a lot. but i want to do other things, that's why it was time, it's a

perfect time to go when people still want you around, and you don't feel like a dead fish. >> a rotting fish. what has been the best moment of your career, the moment if i could replay it for you right now you would choose. >> i think one of the best moments of my career was working with paul newman in "mr. and mrs. bridge" working with him as a person, as a mentor and as an actor. >> an extraordinary guy. he was on a different level both on screen and off it. >> and he always talked about how as he got older, everything got, his acting got smaller and smaller. if you could look at his work and go too big, too big, too big. i always try to remember that. he also gave me lots of well

earned, wise education about how to deal with kids and how to drive safely and he's very wise. >> what was his advise about kids? >> his advice about kids was, i remember he looked at me. travis was two months old when i did "mr. and mrs. bridge" and he said to me, he looked at me with his baby blue eyes all crinkly with his eyes all full of tears, you don't ever quit being a parent, there's something that never goes away. that's something that i take solace in as i get older. >> you think when they flee the nest, it's all over, but that's when it just begins. do you have something ambitious

that you would love to do? >> my big ambition is to work in film with directors. >> which one? >> alexander payne. >> why him? >> i think he's so brilliant and spontaneous and so real and the characters, and there's never any forcing of anything and it's just so immensely watchable. >> have you had any conversations? >> i have met him several times and auditioned for him a few times. >> he rejected you? >> a few times, yeah. >> what was he thinking? >> i don't know, hopefully he'll see it and change the error of his ways. >> i think you would be great in movies like that. >> i would love to be. >> you and kevin together. >> yeah, yeah. >> is that the dream ticket? >> kind of. >> win a double oscar, can you imagine that? >> yeah, that would be amazing?

>> i always say to kev, where's my dead man walking? remember tim robbins directed kevin in that film. he's a director too, so he needs to get cracking on that. >> it's been a real pleasure. "the closer" final of the series will be on monday night. thanks for watching. it's been a pleasure. >> thank you so much. hey, everyone, i'm poppy harlow. let's get you up to speed on some of the day's headlines. this man one of two americans held tonight in egypt. the pastor and one woman from his church group were reportedly taken by -- says they'll exchange them for relatives that are jailed in egypt. and visa, mastercard and

some big banks are set to settle a huge anti-trust lawsuit. it has to do with so-alled swipe fees charged to retailers when they accept your credit card payments. but that bill will allow retailers to pass on those additional fees to you, the customer if you use credit standards. meantime, sylvester stallone's son sage has been found dead in his home. the part-time actor was in a couple of movies with his father, who's reportedly devastated by his son's death. foul play is not suspected, but an autopsy will be performed. connor boss made history today at the -- voss as a hereditary the disease that has caused her vision to get prog