tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN July 18, 2012 10:00pm-11:00pm EDT
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polite and diplomatic about it. it is far better and more accurate to talk straight. these accusations about huma abedin and the report from which they are drawn are nothing less than an unwarranted and an unfounded attack on an honorable citizen, a dedicated american and a loyal public servant. >> this is the third night we've been reporting this story and we've gotten feedback wondering why we're giving it so much coverage. this is a country which is supposed to protect and uphold religious liberty and when any religious group is targeted by sitting members of congress without evidence, that isn't something anybody should remain silence about. some people say this is political reasons, these allegations have very real consequences, not just for the
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individuals who are unfairly put under a microscope of suspicion, but consequences for our foreign policy for all of us. it has a real world impact. these allegations are having an impact right now around the world affecting american foreign policy in one of the most sensitive regions around the earth the middle east. we'll show you how in just a moment. first i want to show you what congresswoman bachmann is basing this on. in a 16-page letter, she says that huma abedin's late father, mother and brother are connected to the muslim brotherhood. here's how she figures it. here dead father, who is a professor of social science and the founder of the institute of muslim minority affairs in saudi arabia, decades ago. now bachmann attributes this information to a 2002 article
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out of brigham young university. according to that article, the institute had the support of another man who is a former general secretary of another group called the muslim world league. now bachmann says according to the pugh forum has a history being closely aligned in partnering with the muslim brother hood. huma abedin's deceased father started an organization, decades ago, allegedly had the support of another guy who had another organization that might have had the support of another organization, the muslim brotherhood. and because of that, huma abedin might be some sort of spy or infiltrator and deserves to be investigated. as for abedin's mother and brother she never gives any links. all these charges are having an impact on u.s. foreign policy. take a look, these are angry
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crowds in cairo over the weekend. you might be wondering what are they protesting about? they're protesting the election of their new president. some caring signs saying stop u.s. funding of the muslim brother hood and clinton is the supreme guide of the muslim brother hood. where would they get an idea like that? it turns out from an american blogs and websites. one egyptian blogger directed "the wall street journal" to transcripts who claim that huma abedin was participating in a plot to penetrate the u.s. government. and that source is frank gafney. he says the muslim brotherhood is infiltrating american life. the anti-muslim movement's most
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pair nad prop gandists. nor kwift, you might have heard his name, he's famous for asking candidates to take a pledge not to raise taxes. gafney -- those allegations were condemned by concertive crops, and got him bard from cpac. the union investigated the allegations and found them false and unfounded and resolved. its complete confidence in the loyalty of a bush department official and grover nor kwift to the united states. what makes senator john mccain's statement today so bold, is that other republican members of congress have been silent or kind of supportive.
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the one michigan republican, mike rogers, who chairs the house select committee on intelligence. he is the chairman of the committee. here is what he said recently on frank gafne's radio show. >> bachmann is taking the lead on this particular issue and going through and trying to figure out what they took out of training materials and what they left in and why did it get change. >> congress man rogers is chairman of the committee. as for congress woman bachmann, we spent much of day trying to get her to answer questions. she would not. she released a statement saying her allegations are being distort d. she made no mention of huma abedin, no mention of mccain's statement. instead she moek used on a new
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obligation. a newly elected egyptian law maker was given a visa to come to the united states as part of a government delegation that met with national security counsel oofgss. he belongs to a group that has been designated a terror group. the state department telling "the washington post" they're looking into the matter. >> you've finally tracked down congress woman bachmann today what happened? >> the good news is i can walk pretty fast in heels and she can walk just as fast. she proved to be adept at avoiding my questions. >> i can't right now. >> i just need to ask you about --
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>> he said that. >> i know i'm. >> going after huma. >> i can't do it right now. >> can you do an interview with us later. >> yes i can but -- >> i've learned over the years trying to get members of congress to answer questions on the fly, and i've done it many, many times, if their not going to answer it, they're not going to answer it. but if they tell me they'll get back to me and they don't have time nd i try to take them at her word. she didn't do that. she only put out that statement you referenced which said her letters were being distorted. >> it is fascinating that she made no mention of huma abedin. she's basically taken a hands off of that. you also ran into senator mccain after. >> i asked him what prompted him to take such an unusual step to go to the senate floor and he told me he did it because he knows. h uma personally and he likes
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her. but he also revealed to me that michele bachmann called him today and she explained she was genuinely worried about muslim infiltration of the obama administration. and he told her look, huma is not the problem. but i should tell you mccain isn't the only one to speak out. he's the most public, our old friend, ed roll ins, he wrote a skathing piece where he called her extreme and dishonest, she had difficulty with her facts and he said she was down road vision. and it was akin to mk car thiism. >> alex, despite you said this might play well with some in the republican base. >> it's interesting. michele bachmann's letter came out on june 13th.
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if you go back two years ago on june 6th, it was the so-called rally against the ground zero mosque which became a huge issue. i think this is what's gg on right here. i think she may have gotten over her skis and this blew up in her face. i think she was keeping this for just the base audience. she didn't tweet about it or put it on her facebook page, but she did go on a radio show, so i think this was a message aimed at her base trying to gin up anti-muslim fever before the election and it blue up too big. >> you've been out on the forefront reporting on this for a long time and you have put a lot of focus on this. we've talked about frank gafney
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on this program. it's interesting i remember when he was going after grover norquist. there wasn't much there, but he was alleging. >> he doesn't care. he'll go after republicans, he went after push administration officials. he said the head of the cia had submitted to sharia law. so she is really shameless and he's been driven out of the elite in the conservative movement in addition to cpac which includes john bolt ton and the head of the nra. real staunch conservatives. he was kicked out. but there's kind of an interesting dynamic of the tea party versus the establishment.
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while he's per so in an in an gra ta, other congressmen still listen to him, even some senior officials, the number two republican in the senate, john kyle, used to sit on his board. so he still has a lot of juice in some aspects of the party, despite being roundly condemned by other parts of it. >> i should point out, he's been on the show before, but we really want to focus on, i mean, people can have whatever believes they want, we're trying to focus on sitting members of congress and the allegations they are making. d dana, is it rare for sitting members of congress to make these kinds of allegations against individuals without having iron clad proof or any real proof other than her dead father 30 years ago knew a guy who helped his organization who was in the league with another organization? >> sure, it's very rare. and i think just as alex was saying, i think he's dead on,
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that this was probably not intended for a main stream audience. that this was intended for her base. and as i mentioned before, many republicans on capitol hill has said to me as a fund raising tool, she is very very good at raising money from these i think you can call them fringe elements of the party, fringe elements of this country. and she wants to keep that going. and she sends out fund raising letter after fund raising letter. even one day making clear she wants to keep raising money and she's got a democratic opponent who's going to beat her and she needs the conservative base to come to her. so yes, the answer to your question it is very rare. >> i'm sure you've gotten these e-mails as well. saying i'm now supporting the muslim brotherhood because i'm questioning her allegations. where does this go? do we know if the state department has responded?
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if homeland security has responded to bachmann? >> we don't yet, but i do think they take these kinds of things seriously. she's on the intelligence committee and they have to do their job and respond to these things but is this the best use of precious resources in the homeland security department? and i really doubt it. >> i think it bears repeating, a couple of things. one, i don't think anybody is saying extremists would not like to infiltrate the u.s. government. i'm sure, obviously jihadists would like to if they could, and they may even attempt to. but to make these allegations against individuals without any direct evidence, and alex as you talked about, if you really believe this is happening, is the best way to go about getting action on this, you know, going on conservative radio shows and putting this information out on your website, or is it actually in confidentiality contacting security agencies and asking them to investigate? >> yeah, i think that that right
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there is the key point and that blows up this whole argument that this is a serious attempt on their part. they've been doing this for years. i talked to a guy today who was in the bush administration where frank gafney went after him and it stuck with him forever. now every time somebody googles him, this is what comes up. >> i want to underscore something, this is really really important. this isn't just about politics, just about one member of congress going off and another trying to condemn her. this is about u.s. policy and the way it's perceived abroad, particularly in egypt, particularly those pictures of hillary clinton and huma with protests. that's a very real concern that the u.s. really is confused how to handle the muslim brotherhood and the whole idea that because of the internet and because these blogs do get out there,
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that people there think the u.s. is sort of in bed, so to speak, with the muslim brotherhood and the reality is there's a little bit of confusion with them versus the christians. >> we need arab speakers to work in our intelligence agencies and this prevents or who is going to want to work if suddenly you're going to be a suspect because your great uncle knew somebody who knew somebody. i think it raises all sorts of questions. i appreciate your reporting. let us know what you think. we're on facebook, follow me on twitter. up next, the debate within the republican party over whether or not mitt romney should put out more tax returns. we'll have that ahead.
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a debate among republicans over mitt romney's tox returns whether he should make public more than the two years' worth than he says he's going to. law makers proposing members that would require presidential candidates to release ten years of returns. mr. romney as you'll recall is facing plenty of pressure. >> put out as much information as you can. even if you don't release 12 years' worth. >> you should be as transparent as you should be with your tax returns. >> put them all out now. >> well, that's kind of what i think. >> i just believe that people should release their tax returns. >> they should release the tax returns tomorrow. >> well, some far know sign of that. a national review also says
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governor romney should release more returns. during that interview says he's not enthusiastic about releasing any more returns for the obama campaign to distort and lie about. two republicans who disagree. former george w. bush arry fliesher. and also joining us, gloria borger. so i know you and a lot of republicans think romney should release his tax returns and the campaign is saying fairly or unfairly would be like handing ammunition to the obama campaign. do you buy it? >> i buy it. i don't think we're going to see any. i don't think any of the republicans think there is anything wrong that mitt romney has done. what we want is the deextraction to be over so we can get to the real issues, the big issues that the american people are interested in. this has become a ridiculous
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distraction and i do think it's taking a toll. i think there was nothing illegal or inappropriate that he has done. he is a well think man who has been successful and he should embrace that and we should gelt this over with, take the band-aid off, let's move on and let's start talking about the economy. let's start talking about jobs. we've been talking about this now for days and days and days. >> ari, what about that? it's not just among media types on cable t.v. talking about it, as you know it's returns talking about it. >> if there's so much drip drip drip, why does it coming up dry dry dry and on the polls romney is going high high high. it's not a distraction except for the political class. the american people are not there. they're not folk you canned on this issue. i remember in 1992 i worked for george bush's father against bill clinton and we tried to come up with every kind of
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ethical inu endough against clinton. nobody paid attention of the the issue is the same as it is now, the economy. the public is really not fixated on this issue. if he was going to do it anderson in the cause of transparency and good government, the time would have been months and months ago. i think now it would be a mistake because the press would make too much of it. >> ari, as you know, when he was in the returning to be mccain's vice president he gave over 20 years' worth of tax returns to mccain. so if that level of transparency was important to be considered as a vice president candidate, why isn't it important for presidential can't date? >> they're asked a lot of questions, a lot of is it embarrassing and personal and that does aren't get released.
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do we want everybody coming into the federal government to answer have you ever been faithful? that's a question that these guys get asked when they try to become vice presidential nominees. so no i don't think that's the criteria that he turned it over to mccain. is this a relevant issue to determine who's qualified to be the president of the united states or not and i don't think this is a cutting issue that should define what this campaign is about. i think most of the american people are with me on that. the pun dit class and many of my fellow republicans are not. >> gloria do you think this is having an impact. >> yeah, i do. i think it will eventually because it plays into the narrative of the obama campaign which says that mitt romney is a rich, seek retive outsourcing family who has offshore bank accounts. so i do think it plays into the narrative that is affecting his underlying numbers, that is perhaps his likability.
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but i talked to somebody who was involved in the vet for mitt romney for the mccain campaign. he couldn't recall exactly how many years of tax returns mitt romney gave them, but he also said, as mccain has said, they didn't see anything terrible and that wasn't the reason that mccain didn't choose mitt romney. i do think, and let me just say this, that if he was going to release them, he should have done it right away. because now if he releases them, he's ghot a problem because it looks like he's doing it under pressure either from the republicans and or from the obama campaign. and we are going to pick over it like a dead carcass. the time to do it was early on. but this is about mitt romney himself. he's a private person and he's running for president. and it's very hard to be a private person and run for the presidency of the united states. i think he's figuring that out
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now. >> we've got to leave it there. we've got a lot of stuff tonight. in syria, dramatic day. three of the top advicers killed today in an attack not far from assad's home. the conflicting reports about the explosion that killed them. damascus, a dutch reporter tells us what he saw today live from damascus.
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this video purportedly shot in dam as cuss today. at lease 102 people were killed across the country today including three top officials. this is extraordinary. one was the brother in law, the deputy minister of defense. they were meeting in damascus not far from assad's home. the syrian calls it a suicide bombing. the opposition says a explosive deadvice was detonated by remote control. these are some of the images we've scene of the damage in the capital. again, we cannot independently verify them. a dutch journalist was in damascus when syrian officials were attacked today. we spoke earlier. >> there are conflicting report today about this bombing. syria media says it was a suicide bomb.
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they say it was planted. >> a lot of gossip. something which is sometimes hard to come by in syria and that's also a very interesting point today. the news we got through syrian state tv, normally syrian state d.v. is the last place you're going to look for news because if something happens they will have a nice program on flowers. so why did they broadcast almost live about what happened, why were the names of people killed mentioned through them. it's something that may not mean anything, but it's something out of the ordinary indeed. >> what is the regime's explanation of how this happened? because whatever type of bomb this was, it would be a major security breach? how would they explain that their inner circle was able to be penetrated. >> they explained it as a terrorist attack but basically that's the way they address the opposition as foreign-backed terrorists. and they used it within the hour, the ministry of information was on the air on
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radio and television addressing the nation saying this will only strengthen our resolve. we have been hit at the heart, but we will fight back and crush these terrorist cells that are operating in syria today. that's basically what he said right after the attack. >> i know you rushed toward the site of the bombing after it occurred. what was the scene like there? >> the scene was something i have never seen before. you expect chaos, tense police men and military. nothing of the kind. we were kindly requested to not enter the street. only people that lived there could go there. so we were triefg around a bit and people living like 40 meters away from the site, they were going about their business as usually. shops were open, cars were driving. people were chatting to each other. of course in a normal situation you go out of the car with your camera and ask people did you hear anything, what did you hear, what did you see. that is something which is not
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allowed in syria. >> it's really exchange. we know fighting is escalated in damascus. what are you seeing among the opposition in damascus? >> right now it's kind of quiet. i went out just before we started talking and you could hear distant artillery fire and sometimes a little more close by military fire. but the scene has been bizarre throughout the day. black pillar ps of smoke, explosions quite close to downtown. this morning i visited two suburbs in the northern part of the city, parts which have been quiet, we saw streams, hundreds upon hundreds of people leaving for violence which already started at that time. but we saw as we drove further towards downtown, military
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vehicles waiting to center. so that was one of the scenes we witnessed later that day. black smoke rising from that area. and that's in any suburb you look at right now. >> the regime was quick to appoint a new minister of defense. it appears as if they're trying to project an image of stability. do you buy that? >> i think if you doubted it before, you will seriously doubt it now. because whatever happened today, the opposition will feel emboldened by this and you can see that happening in a lot of the areas where the free syrian army is taking up arms. we know they are better organized now, they have better means of communication, better weapons, maybe, even. we don't know what they are capable of. but they feel emboldened right now. where that may lead to, nobody knows. >> thank you for yoor reporting. >> tonight new questions about how one government agency is spending your tax dollars. do you remember the videos that
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another keeping them honest report. questions about how the general services administration or gsa has spent your tax dollars. this is the agency whose mission is oversight of federal agencies to control spending. first game the las vegas conference two years ago. cost more than $800,000. it looked more like a vegas show.
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they went viral, congress was not amused, hearings were held, heads rolled at the gsa, the top administrator resigned. turns out las vegas isn't the only place where the gsa has been spending your money. drew griffin with the cnn investigation. >> reporter: it happened here in kansas city. where gsa employees did not just get a free lunch, they got to spend most of the day making it. >> cooking is not a mystery. everybody can learn it. >> reporter: it's all about what the culinary zone calls team building. what did the gsa employees get out of this? this is would be of those employees who says he's afraid to show his face because his boss will be mad. >> it was lunch. we had 25 minutes to get a recipe together, cook for 30. i think there were roughly 25 or
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30 people there, and then we were critiqued along the way by the chefs at the institute on what we could do better. >> reporter: and those gsa employees got the whole day off real work to do it. >> reporter: so this was the day's activity, learning how to cook? >> yes. >> reporter: and it didn't just happen once. since 2007, gsa employees came to the culinary center of kansas city nine times for this team building exercises. they cooked lunch, it cost you more than $20,000. that's the total amount for all of those cooking classes. granted, in the world of trillion dollar government budgets it's not a lot of money of the but it is part of the free-spending culture that's gone on for years at the kansas city regional headquarters. >> there's a lot of what i would
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look at as as juvenile behavior when it comes to caring about what the taxpayers' money is used for. >> we found that not only did workers learn to cook lunch, the gsa hired an etiquette instructor to teach them how to eat it. >> reporter: how to use your napkin. >> reporter: he's not making it up. she confirms she taught gsa employees about the place settings and the diverntd courses, how they're going to be served, what to do with your napkin, how to butter your roll. to top it off, we also found that gsa's kansas city office awarded their workers with an awards lunch possibly to show off that newly learned etiquette. when we began asking about this we were directed to washington, d.c. to the headquarters of the gsa where we were told we would
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get answers in writing but nobody would be able to answer our questions on camera. so we showed up at this public ceremony back in kansas city to meet this man. jason clums is the politically appointed regional administrator which covers four states. he's been in charge since february 2010. in charge for three of the cooking classes, the etiquette speaker and the awards lunch. >> >> reporter: this outrages people when they hear things like government workers going to cooking classes and not just one, but many over several years. why was that allowed to go on? >> it was the culture. i think it was the old culture of gsa and you saw it in the news that was generated out of the western region's conference. >> reporter: why weren't you able to put a stop to it when you came to office. >> i think we've seen new leadership at the agency and
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that will affect my ability to put a stop to those kinds of things but it is unacceptable. >> reporter: do you have the power to stop that kind of stuff? >> i think when we see new policies come into place, there's in other authority that's going to be begin to regional administrators to stop things like that. >> reporter: do you not have the power now? >> don't have it now and haven't had it. >> reporter: there's one more thing jason klumb didn't have the power to stop. >> this is the ghost of gsa presidents. let's take a look at you in action. >> reporter: last year's video contest. it's another team building exercise much the team that came up with the most creative video about efficiency in the gsa would win an ice cream social. all of what you are seeing was written produced, acted, taped
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and edited on federal government time. >> were these videos that would make people better employees? >> no, they were just how cute they could be. >> reporter: gsa employees used to be able to watch the videos online, but when the news broke about that spending scandal in las vegas, that's when the holiday videos disappeared. clumb who says he didn't know about the cooking classes couldn't use the same excuse when it came to the holiday videos. >> i was one of the judges. again, that was part of a culture, it was pretty common throughout gsa and absolutely something that is changing. i think you see a new day at gsa. >> gsa headquarters tells cnn in a statement, these events indicate a pattern of misjudgment which spans several years and administrations. under the new gsa leadership, these events would not have been
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approved. and only light refreshments like water and pretzels would be allowed inside a federal facility at future team building exercises. >> i think we see a new day at gsa. we see a culture shift and i'm very optimistic about that. >> how can there be any changes if the people in charge don't even have the power to stop the waste? >> that was one of our first questions and the answers is he does have the power, anderson of the he just didn't know it at the time or misspoke. and that is a problem for the newly appointed acting administrator of the gsa. dan who just agreed to talk to me this afternoon. >> were you surprised to learn that your regional administrator in kansas city didn't think he had the power to stop this kind of spending. >> yeah i'm surprised that he felt that way and in subsequent conversations with him he's said
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he's misspoke but i wanted to make that clear. it was an opportunity for me to get all the regional administrators on the phone and ask them if they felt they've been given that authority to stop that spending. people aren't coming to work for cooking classes. they're not coming to work for awards or prices. they're coming to work for an important mission that's critical to serving our agencies that serve the american people. so that's the truck for us is to really build a better sense of expectation on what it is that we're going to do every day when we do our jobs. >> and son, that's the new acting director. he has froze hiring, he's stopped bonus payments and canceled an upcoming conference at the gsa and we'll see if he can change the culture there. >> we'll be watching. drew appreciate it. a relative of the two missing girls in iowa think they may have been kidnapped. a special fbi team is about to join the search. but hurry before
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time for the riduculist. to be the we begin with an important question, when you think of david hasslehoff, what springs to mind? maybe you think of one of his television shows or he's first and foremost a singer. ♪ >> i think we can all agree that when it gets down to it, the name david hasslehoff is synonymous with one thing only. ic iced coffee. he dares you to resist the lure of the eyesed coffee.
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there's just one problem, they're such a hot item, they're disappearing fast. proving my theory, people love them some david hasslehoff cutouts. >> it's krasy. we probably got customers probably every night asking to buy the hasslehoff poster. >> people are not only asking to buy them, some are just stealing them at apparently such a rate of frequency that clerks have come to expect it. >> he ain't going to last the night. but it's still here. >> the company even gave a statement about this to our affiliate, whdh. >> cumberland farms says although we are flattered, we do not encourage theft. the hoff is there for all to enjoy. >> that's right people. hands off the hoff. he's there for all to enjoy, not unlike the sun, the stars and
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the gentle spring breeze. would you steal a rainbow? no, you wouldn't. >> one of my friends who's nickname at school was hasslehoff so we saw this sign and my roommate took it for him. >> okay. not to condone theft, but you have to admit a life sized cut out of david hasslehoff holding an eyesed coffee, that is one sweet decoration for a dorm room or for the riduculist. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, three members of bashar al assad's inner circle killed by explosions in syria. has it reached a tipping point? new polls just released in the presidential race, plus fighting words from john boehner. and more of our investigation into the costs of drilling for oil in the arctic. we went to alaska to find out how drilling there might devastate a way of life. let's go "outfront". "outfront" tonight, is syria
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at a tipping point? the pressure is building on syrian president bashar al assad who is no doubt watching his back this evening after an attack struck the heart of his regime. a regime that's been in power for over 40 years and has launched a brutal crackdown on rebels over the last 16 months, killing more than 16,000 people, according to one opposition group. whether today's bloodshed is the result of a rebel attack or an inside job, one thing is clear -- assad's security perimeter has been breached. state tv reports those assassinated at a high-level meeting in damascus include the defense minister, the deputy defense minister who's also al assad's brother-in-law, and his security adviser. rebels danced in the street following the explosion. the opposition forces have come a long way since the uprising began. that has deputy defense secretary leon panetta worried the situation is quickly deteriorating. >> the violence there has only gotten worse and the loss of lives has only increased.
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