>> he was talking with the officers. saw a black male. had on a baseball hat. had on glasses. >> reporter: the young man was wayne williams, about to turn 23. a self anointed music talent scout. >> he got in the car and i said do you know why we're here? and he immediately said yes, it's about the missing children. i said what do you know about that? he said well, i don't think the various news agencies are variously covering it, do you? >> two weeks later, this headline would break the news of that night on the bridge. wayne williams wuld ould be sen prison. at first glance, he hardly looks like a serial killer. not much more than 5.5 feet tall, barely 150 pounds. now in his 50s and growing bald.

>> the bottom line is nobody ever testified or even claimed that they saw me strike another person, choke another person, stab, beat or kill or hurt anybody because i didn't. >> reporter: this is the first time wayne williams has talked on tv in at least a decade. >> reporter: why do you think you were convicted? >> fear. >> what do you mean? >> atlanta needed any person at the time. if it would have been a white suspect, a lot would have gone up in flames. >> reporter: do you think you'll ever be free? >> it's not a matter of if to me. it's a matter of when. some 30 years after wayne williams' trial, there is still debate and some doubt. this time, you can be the judge and the jury.

we'll lay out the evidence on both sides, and you'll hear from wayne williams at lerngt. and then we'll invite you to reach your own verdict. guilty, innocent or a third choice, not proven. >> reporter: the first clue was found on a dead boy's tennis shoes. the victim was eric middlebrooks. his body left here in a rainy alley. a foster child who rode his bicycle away on an errand and was dead by dawn. >> i noticed in the flap of the edge of this shoe, this tuft of what, to me, appeared to be wool. and that was it. we could find no other evidence. >> reporter: back at homicide, buffington showed the homicide to his superiors. >> the lieutenant made a big

joke out of it and told the rest of the squad that if i went over to the lieutenant's house and cleaned out the lint trap in his drier, we could probably clear out all of the cases in the city of atlanta. >> reporter: still, buffington sent the fibers to the state friends e forensic laboratory. >> reporter: so why was a fiber that was stuck in the crack of a shoe -- >> it was somewhat loosely there and people don't normally have tufts of carpet fibers stuffed in their shoe. >> reporter: peterson would begin to build a kacase to try catch a killer. >> how many fibers across the board did you look at every day in this case when the case started really getting business? a hundred? 500? a thousand? >> literally, there's hundreds, if not thousands, of fibers there.

rsh . >> reporter: in the spring of 1980, no one wanted to believe a killer was loose in the city. >> there had been a sharp increase in the number of children under the age of 14 that had been killed. >> when he told his boss at homicide, the major threatened to transfer him. >> i truly think they were afraid that there would be a panic. >> reporter: it was this mother after the loss of her 9-year-old son who finally forced police to listen, but note until almost a year after her boy died. camille and her children lived in these project apartments. poor to the eye, but rich in mind and spirit. ucef bell was an honor student. on a warm, october sunday in 1979, he walked away on an

errand to buy snuff for an elderly lady downstairs. >> he went barefooted in a pair of brown shorts. hoe got to the store, he bought the snuff, he started back hem. >> reporter: less than half a block, ucef stepped off this curb and vanished. >> and nobody saw anybody do anything or anything. but they did see him come back across the street. and this's the last that we saw him. >> camille bell called the police. they came and said they'd write a report. that's all. days went by. camille waited with two older children and ucef's 3-year-old sister. >> so she is ter ied. if he can go to the store and they can steal him, then she doesn't want to leave the house. she doesn't want to do anything.

>> reporter: camille hid her own fear from her children. >> and you've got to hold them together so you can't act as scared as you are. >> reporter: the body of ucef bell was found in an abandoned schoolhouse. his body would not turn up for another month. ucef bell had been strangled. >> all of what could have been, should have been and probably would have been was taken away. and we'll never know now because somebody decided it was all right to kill a little kid because they wanted to. >> reporter: for a long time, the three-year-old would look for ucef every time it was a foggy day. >> and we'd go out into the fog and she would go as far as she could into the fog. and i'd say come back here. and she'd say i've got to go find my brother. and she said the clouds came down, so ucef can come down.

>> reporter: the child, her mother said, had confused the fog with heaven. >> still ahead, the boy who was too brave. >> i mean, he was like, man, i want to find this killer and get this reward money. >> a drive-by threat against the f.b.i. chief's child. >> some guy in the pick up truck said i'm going to get you. >> and in the end, the curious question of krrkts ia. >> you're saying you worked for the cia? you were recruited? >> i'll let the document speak for itself. >> then? >> do you know how to kill someone with a choke hold? that's a yes or no answer. >> no, it's not. >> yes, it is, actually. >> do you know how to kill someone with a choke hold. organc lettuce, organic kale... does your cauliflower have a big carbon footprint? not at all.

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>> what we had here was a predator. and what he was looking for was somebody who was cut off. and if you don't realize you're in trouble until you're in trouble, then you have no way of getting out. >> reporter: it would be another year before jeffrey mathis' body was found in the woods miles from his moem. his mother would form a committee. >> the reaction of the police was that we were overreacting. and that there was no serial killer. >> reporter: even though, by now, six black children were ked. four others were missing. >> perhaps we were distraught parents that really needed everyone's sympathy, but no one needed to do anything.

>> reporter: for years, it has been a dirty little skret among the press and police. >> nobody cared. so you could have several killings go on and if the people were poor, then no one discovered there was a serial killing. if you were black and poor, then really nobody looked. especially black and poor. >> reporter: police were slow to recognize these deaths were different. many of the bodies were left in the woods far from home. unlike most murder victims who are fount where they fall. >> unsolved murders of children is very rare. if a 9-year-old got killed, it was because somebody slammed him across the room, he hit his head and he died. >> reporter: police did not create a task force until a year after the first murders began.

f.b.i. profiler came down to help. three detectives drove him around the city. >> as soon as we turned onto that street, everything stopped. there was a guy kuting the grass stopped, guys playing dominos on the porch stopped. i said what's going on? everything stopped? they said laughingly, that's because we have a honkey in the car. >> reporter: john glover who took over as f.b.i. chief in atlanta that summer, that's why he and hazelwood decided the killer had to be black. >> reporter: welcome harris was one of the first detectives. >> we felt like it was somebody who could come in the neighborhood and get these children and not draw attention to themselves.

>> reporter: the question of which struck a raw nerve. it had been only a dozen years since the murder of dr. martin looutered king. on the surface, atlanta was a well-integrated city. beneath the surface, it remained separate and unequal. >> my prayers and the prayers of everybody in there was we wanted the person to be black. the reason why, i knew what it would do to this town if it had of been a white person. >> reporter: in the black commune till in the early '80s, a black serial killer was unheard of. all the classic serial killers were white. never black. >> didn't mean they didn't have one now. >> reporter: today, black serial killers are not rare. in 2009 in cleveland, each time

the accused serial killer turned out to be african american. dr. eric hickey is a psychologist who keeps track of serial killers. >> overall in my study, one 06 ere e every five serial killers is ach ri can american. in the past, since 1995, over 40% are african american. we're finally saying blacks do this, too. >> reporter: there were whites who fed the fear in atlanta. as f.b.i. chief had moved into this upper class white neighborhood, his 12-year-old son was playing outside one afternoon. >> some guy in the pick-up truck, he was out in the yard and our side yard, we were on the corner. we had a corner lot, you flow. r said i'm going to get you. as he was driving by.

>> reporter: kaseem reed was only 10 when the first two bodies were found in the woods close to his home in the summer of 1979. >> my liech did chak. >> reporter: how so? >> not out as late as you use ds to be. not able to ride your bike unaccompanied. >> reporter: in 2010, reed would become the mayor of atlanta. but back then, as the youngest boy in his family, his teenage brothers were his prekters. >> i didn't move without my brothers for about a year. >> reporter: the bulk of the victims were boys like you. your age, black boys. >> yes. >> did you personally feel afraid? >> i can't honestly say that i really felt afraid except for at moments. you would have a van slow down and oerve was very mindful of vachbs at the time. >> people were suspicious of everybody and they were afraid.

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so many of the children who died were poor who earned spending money carrying groceries, running errands for others or handling car deodorizers outside this super market. his mother worried about his

going off alone. >> he said they'd have to catch him first. >> hefsz a good student. a fof mor in high school. a witness at the shopping center that day saw him with a man and helped the police artist draw this sketch. a man with a baseball cap, perhaps a scar on his cheek. lubey never came home. >> i believe he had been kidnapped. >> police zesearched the woods around atlanta. they did not find lubey. instead, police found two other young bodies. both left here at the same dumping ground. the number of known dead now 15. the unsolved murders of so many children had become front page news around the nation and the

world. >> this is the reward. >> the city announced a $100,000 reward soon to dwroe to half a mill yob. many suggested by psychics. at the state crime lab, larry peeter southern was sifting through thousands of fibers, nylon, rayon, acrylic. >> is it like looking for a needle in a hay stack? >> it's like looking for multiple needles in multiple hay stacks. >> peterson realized they were seeing one green carpet fiber with a unique shape. this is a cross section of that fiber. magnified many times. >> this particular fiber had two very, very large lobes and one short lobe. >> the lobes ra the three ends

of the boomerang shape. >> this is a single tuft from the carpet cut in cross section. >> yeah, i can't tell that's green. >> even putting the tiny fibers under the microscope didn't help me. >> how can you tell what color this is? in this, this green carpet looks very whitish. >> the color is seen microskopically. it's not going to be ie identical to what the overall carp et would be. >> so let me just open this up. >> a more sophisticated microscope can separate fibers. >> we took another look. >> oh, now you're talking. >> now, peterson knew what to look for. >> when i was looking at the fiber at first, i had no idea who had made it. i knew it was very distinctive and i would recognize it sbantly. >> but he didn't know where to find it. wayne williams was not yet on anyone's radar.

he had freelanced as a tv camera man who shot fires and overnight news. he told us -- squl you know, i know the streets of at lan that. and then an ex-news reporter in -- night time is me, that's the time i'm out most of the time. >> reporter: now, almost 23, he was trying to form a sicnging group modelled after the jackson 5. william says this red seept shows he had an alibi. >> the studio was a small demo studio. >> cathy andrews was co-owner of that studio. >> they were roughly as young as as 8 and for the kids, they were

as old as 11 or 12. >> now, living in another state, kathny andrews did not want her face shown because of what she saw on ood day at her studio. >> at one point in time, he walked into the book of studio and he had horrible scratches on his arms. >> reporter: deep and painful, chris-crossing both arms. >> it was more this way and that way and this way and that way. and they were angry-looking vmt and when i loorked at him, the first words out of my house was oh, wayne, what happened. that looks awful. and he said he had fallen into a bush. >> reporter: 15-year-old terry pugh died late that january. he had beenled. . >> whoever killed him hat to

tussle with him. >> reporter: to this day, cathy andrews does not believe wayne's explanation. >> he did not fall in a bush. that was after he realized it was fairly obvious. and i don't know what else could have caused that kiechbd of wound on his arm. >> reporter: the intervals between murders were shrinking. then, 15 days until the next victim. soon, 13. then 11. and before long rk a bd day a week. >> they come to believe that they, in fact, are almost immune to mistakes, if you will. around thal can take greater risks because it's more excite ing and because they're so

superior, they don't have to worry about the inferior police. >> after a month, lubey's body would be found in the woods. the medical examiner would testify jeeter apparently had been killed by e by a choke hold around the neck. a forearm akroosz the next. it's a question we'll have reason to ask wayne williams by the end of all of this. >> it's actually a very simple question. can you kill someone with a choke hold? >> you probably could. >> i know fr a e for a fact i could not. >> when we return, the boy who wanted to catch a killer. >> the body was, indeed, another victim of atlanta's child killers. >> i just knew right away it was his body. >> and later, a failed lie detector test.

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there's yet another twist in the missing and murdered children's ce. >> atlanta is a city of frustration and fears. >> the body was, indeed, another victim of atlanta's killers. >> patrick was a kid who was a kid who was convinced he could catch a killer. >> he was, like, man, i want to find this killer and get this reward money and i'm going toe buy my mom a house and i'm going to do this. and i'm going to find this killer. >> reporter: his stepmother was worried. >> for a 10, 11-year-old child to talk like that, i was just like, wow, where's his mom at? >> patrick was a latch key child living unsupervised with his odder brother. >> he was very street wise. >> he stayed out late at night, often at the omni center, now

the headquarters of cnn, but back then, a hotel complex with an indoor skating rink and a game room for kids. >> that's where he spent a lot of his time out. >> reporter: wayne williams was known to free kwent the omni. by early february, 1981, more than a dozen young african me american boys had been found dead. many dumped in the woods around at lan that. >> i was very fearful. my god. >> sheila spsz baltazar pleaded to send patrick back home to rural louisiana. >> if i had somewhere to send my son, woi woui would have sent m.

>> reporter: patrick used a pay phone to call police. he told them a man was chasing me and my friend in a brown cadillac. >> well, actually, they thought it was a crank phone call. they didn't send a car out. >> this is a sketch. the other boy prosprivided to police after patrick was dead. two weeks later, patrick stopped by the restaurant where his father worked to ask for money. then walked back toward the omni. he never made it home that night. >> i'm like he didn't come home. oh my god. that was the first thing that popped into my head. missing. murdered. >> the at llanta missing person child. >> one day seemed like it was a week.

>> it was almost 2:00 p.m. >> reporter: on the 7th day, a maintenance man spotted a body tossed down into the woods behind a parking lot at a suburban office complex. >> the bank was fairly steep. >> reporter: medical examiner had to hold onto a rope to get down to the sooeb. >> he had a ligature mark on his neck like if they were behind you or off to the side and they close their hands on fists together: >> let me place another sample on this side. >> reporter: state crime lab scientist larry peterson attended the autopsy. >> i are recall one autopsy pulling a fiber off of one of the victims. it was a green carpet fiber. i said it's the same one.

>> you knew right away? >> i knew. >> reporter: local television carried these pictures live from the crime scene. sheila baltazar got a car from her mother. >> she said they found another body. she said i really feel like this is patrick's body here. >> the chances are strong that he was 11-year-old patrick baltazar. >> reporter: mrs. baltazar and her husband went to the funeral home to identify their child. >> they told me he had

struggled, you know, for his life. and seeing the print, you know, the rope print across his neck. >> reporter: at patrick baltazar's funeral, she would insist on an open casket. >> i just wanted the world to see that this child could have been anybody's child. >> reporter: patrick's fifth grade classmates wrote a people. >> patrick baltazar, our schoolmate, you came to school though sometimes late, but you were never mean to anyone. you tried to help people.

then one night, one terrible night, you didn't come home, not even at day light. something's happened to that boy, the people said. patrick is missing. is patrick dead? we cried some and we bowed our heads. >> and hope ed for your safety d prayers were said. oh, god, please bring back that missing boy. when he returns, we will shout for joy. the police and the news people came and went. in all of heartings weres wis w tent. no one could rest until we knew whatever, whatever happened to you. and then one day your body was found. out in the woods on the cold, cold ground. someone killed you and dumped you there.

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in february, 1981, a troublesome tip reached the police. a man involved in the klu kl klu klux klan could be atlanta's serial killer. >> atlanta was about to explode and here was information potentially that the klan could have been doing this.

>> bob ingram with the gbi, george's bureau of investigation got case. >> it was an entire family of brothers that were involved in the klan, that were fictfocused this particular intelligence situation. >> one brother had threatened the child found dad e dead only weeks bmpb. the klan associate lived here on a dead-end street in the railroad town of mountain view. >> we're tapping telephones. we heard a lot of ret rik. we heard a lot of racial slurs. >> reporter: on one wiretap, the detectives heard this. go find you oot little kid. >> these family members were under surveillance at that time, physical surveillance. >> reporter: in those two

months, six more black youths would disappear and die. detectives saw nothing to link the kl aurks n to them. >> if somebody was in there with a van or two or three men, you know, to grab somebody and dump them in the back of the van, people would have noticed if they were white. >> reporter: the brothers were called in. they took lie detector tests and passed. >> they were polygraphed and cleared. >> clearing the klan didn't stop the murders. joe joe bell was one of the victims who vanished during the surveillance. he used to hang out at this seafood carry out place. manager richard harp. >> he told me he could do anything. i'd give him a doll burglar. >> reporter: joe joe bell, unrelated to ucef, came by cam

tan peg's one last time. he said richard, i'll see you later. >> reporter: to a schoolyard basketball court like this. this witness, lugene knew joe joe and saw him leave the game. he said joe joe left in a station wagon that looked like this. lester testified he got in the car. got in wayne's car. in court, lester would identify wayne quiwilliams as the driver. >> eugene is pretty much an eyewitness. said that you gave a ride to joe joe bell in your station wagon. >> okay. okay. >> did ewe? >> no, i did not. >> you never gave a ride to joe joe bell? >> no, i did not. >> williams did not deny he was the driver. he, instead u insisted his

passenger had to be someone else. joe joe bell was never to be seen again. >> it would be horrendous if another child dies, period. >> a week later, sammy davis, jr. and frank sinatra came to do a concert. the photographer up on stage? that's wayne's father with the black newspaper, atlanta world. >> how come you've got no tuxedo on there on the stage looking like that there. >> reporter: backstage was sammy davis, jr. in a photo that made the front page. that's a future major. as a young child, reed would help the volunteers searching at lan that's woods every saturday. >> we generally would walk through wooded areas, chaperon

and we would walk for a period of time until about an hour before niekt fall. >> but, now, a new twist in the murders. patrick baltazar, the 20th victim, would be the last child to turn up in a wooded area. in a day or two later, an official would tell reporters sfieb fibers would be collected. fewer clues now for larry peterson. >> we're talking maybe a dozen fibers as opposed to hundreds or a thousand fibers. >> the 13-year-old victim was found beneath this braj over the south river in atlanta suburbs. a driver crossing that bridge earlier in the week saw a man leave e leaning over the railing. it turned out to be the same afternoon joe joe bell disappeared.

at trial, the witness said the man was wayne williams. joe joe's body would not be found for seven more weeks until easter sunld. it had floated down the sout river almost into oot county. >> he had on nothing but underwear, basically. >> medical examiner went out in a boat to retrieve the boy. >> we 'got the bod sdi ray wrapa sheet. >> we didn't have any history 06 either one of these boys swimming in the south river. >> other bodies were washing up to the west and to the north of at lan fa. five victims in that river in the next six weeks. >> i said, you know, if i was doing that, i would be thrown off the bridge. >> f.b.i. agent grew audiotaup

the rif ere. >> we look at remote places, dark places. we believed it would be at nighttime as opposed today time. >> reporter: the f.b.e. and police began night watches at 14 bridges. the stake outs were to laes four weeks. nothing until the very end. >> we, at that point were ready for that to be our last night. and wayne williams showed up. that night. >> reporter: just before 3:00 a.m. , the station wagon drove on to the bridge. >> had he wait a couple e couple more hours, we miegt might not have been there. >> next, the night on the

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that night on the bridge, wayne williams says police made him the scapegoat because he was kblak. >> some of that, when this case happened, if those police would have aregsed rested a white man, atlanta would have e rupted, as well as several major cities. you possibly would have had another race war. >> no, said the f.b.i. pli. they were loorking for a white guy. so why would a black guy be considered a scapegoat.

>> reporter: what happened that night on the bridge? >> okay, in the first place, and i'm not being facetious, but nothing happened on the bridge. that's the whole misconception. >> as he tells it, there was no splash. he never stopped. and didn't turn around. >> reporter: is you never stopped on the bridge? you didn't throw trash? >> no, i didn't. >> you didn't throw trash? >> no. >> you didn't throw a body? >> definitely not a body. i crossed the brirj. i turned out briefly at what i call a liquor store. >> williams said he pulled into the parking lot only to look up the phone number of a singer he was trying to locate at that hour. >> i turned back on the highway. i went to a starving marvin's store. i used the telephone and i came back. >> reporter: the call didn't go through. >> i got some recording this number is not guilin service. >> this is the closest thing to

an address he had for the singer he said was cheryl johnson. the f.b.i. looked hard and could never find her. >> reporter: williams says only after that call from a gas station did he turn around to cross back over the bridge again. police would stop him moechlmen later. >> you said i know this is about those boys isn't it? >> that's what i said. i mean, the perception in atlanta was, at the time, kids were missing. i think if, if i'm not mistaken, a lot of young males are missing. >> reporter: remember what f.b.i. agent said he saw when he got to the scene? sq . >> we saw a black male with a baseball hat. >> there is the sketch provided

by the witness who saw lerkslubg to a man. m e mckomas had never seen in untim we came back to show it to him near lif 30 years later. >> he had on a baseball cap. his hair was in an afro. so this just look like him. >> williams agreed to let mckomas search his station wagon. on the floor in the front of the backseat, he saw -- >> there was a nylon cord. the best that i could describable the nylon cord was a rope-type, the woven type. and it was, my guess, about 24 inches lorng. >> williams denies there was any such coward. >> if that rope wrould have been in the station wagon that night, i'm sure they would have taken it. >> the fact that i didn't con fi

e fis kate it go a doesn't go away. >> it could have been the murder weapon, as far as i know. >> yet, f.b.i. supervie sorps decided to let wayne williams go that night. >> firstly, we didn't have a body. secondly, there was no one who saw wayne williams outside of his car. there was no one that saw him throw anything overboard. >> reporter: two days later, only a mile downstream from that bring, another body. after two years, one suspected now. wayne williams. >> when we come back, the lie detector test. >> itself it sur peased him he didn't beat that. hefs con vensed.

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williams was seen on the river bridge, the body of nathanial cater washed up downstream. he was a down-on-his-luck drunk, and small. weighing under 150 founds. again, the medical examiner said he could havebeen killed with a choke hold. his would be the last body found in the atlanta murders. the 27th male victim. wayne williams' father took this photo for the atlanta world newspaper. on june 3rd, the f.b.i. brought wayne in for a long night of questioning. wayne agreed to a lie detector test. >> you've got 26 bodies out there in if ds woods. and he's sitting tr like total control. >> i said i don't care what you

do on the bring or the rier. if it wubt a e wasn't a little boy's body. >> did you come to kill him that night? and did you throw the caterering to the river. and when i ran that test, it's like wow, e this is it. >> wayne williams flunked all three questions. >> i side, well, this test would reflect that you did kill cate rirks. and that was hbody you flew e threw off the bridge that night. >> the polygraph measureses sweting, the heartbeat, blsh e blood prush. >> you brooet a little faster. you sweat a lit r eel more. he did all of this. >> waib e wayne williams took the test three times. he failed each time. >> i said some reaction like i'll be darn. you're the good e guy we're looking at.

>> it surprised him he didn't beat that polygraph test. he sat there and stated kwha's this question right hooer? i said that's pretty good. did you cause the death of nathanial kater. i said well, did you throw his body into the river. >> reporter: with the media waiting outside the f.b.i., the mayor's spokesman was called in to handle the press. >> and in congresswome e comes williams. and he said no, that's my son. and i thought oh, jeez. >> homer told him -- >> they detained him and impounded my car for littering. that's what he said. i said that duntd sound right. is this is at night. he said littering. he was driving over this bridge

and he stopped to throw some garbage and, boy, they rushed him and stopped him. and, at that pointd, i said to him, i don't think you nood tee talk to me anymore. >> your father said you stopped to get rid of some trash. >> no, my father never said that. i never said it and my father never said it. >> while father and son were inside the f.b.i., evidence technicians were combing the williams' home. the f.b.i.'s top fiber expert led the search. he took clippings from a yellow bedspread. >> the yellow blanket was located under william's bid. >> on the floor, a green carpet. this is a blow up of those carp et fieblers. >> they're the only cope e kpeen

company to produce a fiber like this. >> reporter: he had been called to the f.b.i. office to help search this station wa gochb. but not told why. and then he spotted f.b.i. texts returning from their search and then we e he we haven't out to the home to snip fibers for himself. >> saw the green karen et. >> did you feel this is it? >> you know, i really didn't. >> reporter: because it was a middle class home. but peter zone thaugts -- >> i'm going to run these back to the lab. once i put that sample under the microscope, i knew instantly that was it: i knew thachs it. and i had made hundreds and 00 drids of come parsons to carpeting and various suspects. nothing was even close until that night.

>> did you stand up and scream halleluiah, we've got the guy? >> i really wanted to say oh my god. >> reporter: still, wayne williams was allowed to go home that night. >> and i make a couple of other errands. >> the the morning i he called tv crews who agree ds nd no t tw his face. le acknowledged he failed a lie detector test. and then asked about the victims, wayne williams said this. >> some of these kids are in places they don't have no businesses being at certain times ofts day and night. some of them have no hoechl superha e hoemt supervision. >> reporter: we asked wayne what he meant.

>> when you say that's not giving anybody a license to kill, but you're opening yourself up for all kinds of things. >> if you're out roaming the sfreets like sole judge of these victims were, you put yourself in a poxz fsition for bad thing happen. >> for days, the district attorney was reluctant to take wayne williams to court based on fibers alen. the f.b.i., police and media all the ke67 e kept a watch on wayne. in his parking lot, he showed an angry face to a cnn carpet drew. >> if i were you, i would get off of it. >> reporter: finally, on father's day evening, detectives arrived to arrest waib r win williams for the murder of nathanial.

williams would never be free again. to this day. >> ahead, the trial. and a blow up on the witness stand. mush pu >> i could see the shock in the juror's faces. when he said you want the real way, and i think the jury understood that.

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wayne williams would go on trial at the start of 1982. testimony would last almost two months. it would be a trial like no other before. a case built on fibers. no finger prints, no murder weapon, no aparnts moetive. now, remember, you're one of the jurors. three choices, guilty, innocent or simply not proven. this time, the verdict is yours. >> mary welcome was wayne willia williams' defense attorney.

>> good morning. >> reporter: this was her first murter trial. >> what was he like when you met him? >> a most-unlikely killer. >> why? >> because he just didn't appear to be the kind of person that could strangle anyone or have the strength to. >> to her, wayne williams seemed gentle. child like. >> one day, i left him in jail. i said wayne, is there anything i can bring? would you like anything? he said would you bring me some bubble gum. >> reporter: williams was charged with and tried for two murders. both aadulthoodults found in th area of the river. cater's body was nude, buhis ha was caked with mud. >> reporter: the dog hair was

consistent with sheba, the wayne williams' family dog. in ca cater's hair was one of those fiber. peterson could see the boomerang shape. this is an actual piece of that carpet. which the f.b.i. said was quite rare. >> it's got an unusual carpet fiber. it was man emanufactured for a limit aid mount of time. >> fibers consistent with the blanket under wayne's bed. >> i personally took the cutting from the yellow blanket that was under the bed. >> reporter: this evidence slide contains the yellow blanket fibers that he clipped that night, magnified by our own video camera. but when larry peterson had

returned that june for a second search, a couple weeks later -- >> there was no yellow blank et that i could find. >> there are a lot of things there your case that disappeared. >> um-hmm. >> a lot of disappearances. um-hmm. >> yellow blarng et. >> yes. >> disappeared. >> in the first place, there was never a yellow blanket. >> there were fibers alleged to have come from a yellow blank et. nobody has been able to produce a yellow blanket. there was no yellow blanket. >> or maybe you got rid of it in between the first time they searched and when they come back? >> seems like to me i would have confiscated the blanket, too. it doesn't make sense. >> reporter: the prosecution was allowed to bring in 10 other deaths. among these patrick baltazar to show a pattern. >> this is a chart showing fibers that were recovered.

>> reporter: fibers consistent with that blank et, with wayne williams' bedspread, hair from wayne's dog plus a leather jack et. >> the jacket was, as i recall, hanging in his closet. >> and two human hairs were found. . >> these two hairs were consistent with o ridge nating from williams. >> then there was eric middle brooks. this is a blow-up of those red fibers. the same kind were in the car williams was driving that year. . >> this pus middle brooks in the trunk and the sbeer jor. >> did you ever meet any of the young men who were victims? >> no, i did not. >> it's inkal cueble the odds that thirp not in kwon tact with him. >> the fiber evidence is your

biggest obstacle. >> that fiber evidence may well have been manipulated in this case. point-blank and simple. they had a suspect that was wayne. and that manipulation, no doubt, has kocontinued even after my trial and up until this point. >> there with your just too many fibers placed on too many bodies. >> mike derks erum, in o be blue, seen here on the night of the verdict was one of the jurors. >> what would the chances be of finding the same -- all of these fibers, the chances would be as tro no, ma'am kal. astronomical. >> the next witness did place williams with the very last victim. henry worked with cater. he said he saw him leaving this theater with wayne williams on the night of the bridge incident: henry has no doubt about what he saw.

>> they were holding hampbds e hands, you know, like male and fe mail. >>. >> the next time i saw him, he was in the courtroom. >> when wayne williams took the stand, he swore he never met nathanial kater. on the everyboning, wayne testi he was home. his mother and father, now deceased, backed him up. homer williams said he had the white station wagon on e until almost mid niekt. under cross-examination in his third day on the stand, wayne williams blew up at prosecutor jack mallard. >> that morning, he was a complete different person. he came out of the chute like a bull whechb he said you want the real wayne williams, you've got him, i think all of us, the juror understood that, yeah.

>> i was my own worsz enemy. i played right into these people's hands. >> i could see almost the shock in the juror's faces. everybody saying my god, is this the same wayne? >> patrick baltazar's stepmother was watching in court that day. >> i eec'm like this man got to crazy. this man, i have mean u he is like he's saying, yeah, i killed them. but you better prove it, you know. can you prove it? he was doing everything he can to out smart everybody. and tfgit was like i did it, bu can you prooif i did it? >> camille bell, ucef's mother, believed wa ed wayne to be inno. >> and then when he flaired off, they were ready to say okay, he does have fire. >> when you got angry with the

prosecutor, you said you're a drop shot. what's that mean? >> quite simply in our vernacul vernacular, drop shot is a guy that's not worth much of anything. in other words, you're useless. >> we reminded wayne that he called poor black children on the streets the same thing, drop shots. >> that does not make me a murderer simply because i said somebody was a drop shot or because i called him a drop shot. come on. we're talking about murder. the fact is i didn't kill anybody. >> the jury didn't come back until late the second evening. wayne williams was sentenced to serve two life terms. >> people only wanted to look at

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defense attorney mary welcome did not expect the guilty verdict. >> why do you think the jury con vicked him? >> because he might have been guilty. because he might have been. >> during the trial, medical examiner rob ert stivers told the jury there had been very few strangulations of black males in the years before these murders began. and none at all since that night wayne williams was stopped leaving this bridge. >> they were convinced that the crimes have stopped because wayne had been arrested. >> and i think what happened is people stopped look and stopped counting. >> reporter: murders have continued in atlanta. shootings of black men. stabbings of black women. but not strangulations like before.

not black youths dumped far from where they were killed: detecti detective welcome har rris woul stay on the police force fr 25 years. >> none, that i can recall. >> wayne williams' appeals would drag on for years. georgia's supreme court justice. >> he found that the evidence didn't support a conviction. that's what he did find. originally. >> reporter: but the five other justices resisted. >> they were not going to or turn a conviction. >> in the end, all the justices, except smith, agreed to uphold the conviction. wayne williams said the court was bullied into making its u-turn.

>> i think the pressure came from as high as the white house, and we'm leave it at that. >> not so, says george smith, now retired from the court but still practicing law in his 90s. >> i can't imagine having any case, but certainly this case, it didn't reach to the white house. >> smith did write a desenting opinion. he said the fiber evidence fell short of scientific certainty. and the prosecution should not have bb been allowed to use those pattern evidence on 10 other murders. >> the only similarities is the fact that all of them are dead. >> smith was denounced on the floor of the ga ga legislature. >> i was an n lover. you know what the n stands for. >> mary welcome agreed when justice smith wroet the defense attorneys were ineffective. >> we were rendered ineffective. we were rendered incompetent

because of the lack of funds, resources and time. >> reporter: things dud go wrong in the trial that should not have. an ambulance driver suggested an explosive mode e moetive from wayne williams. >> bobby said williams asked him once had he ever considered how many blacks could be eliminated? but unknown to either side, tolen was not his real name. >> he testified undy eiey eied name. i'm not sure that we knew all of that at the tim. then there was the murder of larry rogers. a retarded youth. this witness testified she saw rogers slumped over in a station wagon as wayne williams drove away. but another person saw rogers in

that same station wagon on that day. this does not look like wayne williams. however, the defensz never called the other witness to ask about the sketch. >> i don't think i've ever seen that. >> supporters say there was one murder that shows the fiber evidence could be faulty. some of those unusual green carpet fibers were on his body. yet, another boy said he saw a coin laundry operator kill clifford joans. detective welcome har riris sai the boy was not believable. >> he was open to suggestions. and if you said that mickey mouse was up there, and he'd sense that you wanted him to say

that, he'd say yeah. wayne supporters point out that laundry manager failed two police lie detector tests. but few are aware about the third test. the result? >> in layman'stermingses, he passed. >> reporter: only days after, atlanta's police commissioner closed the book on 21 other murder vick timts. declaring that e they, too, were killed by williams. most were children. among them, clifford jonesene a ucef bell. but without e e trials, they were left with a verkt in one way or the other. >> even if it takes 30 trials, i don't care. you know, prove it.

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four years after the trial, robert henry would change his story about seeing the last victim, nathanial cader holding hands. if my life depended on it, i could not say the man i saw with cader was wayne williams. our producer confronted henry with that affidavit. his signature is at the bottom. >> yes, that's my handwriting. >> who he has words are those? >> they're not mine.

>> whose words are they? >> they'd rather not say. >> in the sucmmer of 1986, henr was in prison here when he said an asissociate came and told hi what to write. >> are those your words? >> those are words i was told to say. >> by? >> i'd it might cause a problem. >> could you identify the face of wayne williams? >> the person i saw was wayne williams, the man wloho was convicted. >> in fact, henry had passed a lie detector test before he took the witness stand. when his visitor came to see him, henry was serving five years for sex crimes. his falsz after daiflt we affidn court of appeals.

>> to this day, is there any question in meend e mind bho you saw with cader? >> no, there's not. >> it was? >> wayne williams. >> reporter: williams testified he was home all evening sick in bed. now, womilliams says rksz he haa different ally. williams says he drove to that office near the atlanta airport. he had taken photos for this poster the night before. and went there to turn in this invoice to get paid. >> we delivered a bill and a statement of sfervices and we were cut a check for it. >> we reach hotlanta's owner, melvin ware now living in los angeles.

>> i went back and wrote the check. >> but he says williams didn't stay that long. >> we had already spent maybe a half hour or something like that. >> reporter: how did wayne e wayne get to the office? >> he drove. >> reporter: wayne's father, homer williams, testified he had the staugsz e station wagon until almost midnight that night. but an investigator for the defense said wayne told him long ago this was a lie. >> he had the car, his dad didn't have the can. i had the vehicle, and i didn't want to corrupt my dad's testimony in the eyes of the jury so i lied about it on the stand. >> he said it was about 9:15 or

9:30. it was on luckie and forsythe street. >> you were so sick, your mother said, that she had to help lie your body out in bed. >> this is where the confusion with all of us came. there's no one to corroborate that even if his mother were still alive. prosecutor jack mallard. >> he was out that night, no question in my mind he was not at home. he was out and about. >> less than six hours after henry says he saw williams and cader here, police heard a splash. 30 years ago, there was no dna

testing. now there is. remember those two human hairs found inside 11-year-old patrick baltazar's shirt? in the e 2007, they were sent to the fbi territory. the lab found this dna sequence in out of 29 in more than 1100 samples of african american hairs in its data base. less than 3%. most important, wayne williams dna had the same sequence. >> i think -- i don't think they said it was a match. i think they said they could not rule out. >> the f.b.i.'s expert said this finding is as strong as it can get with this particular type of testing. >> and it probably would exclude 98% or so of the people in the world. >> did you kill 11-year-old patrick baltazar. >> i did not kill patrick baltazar or anybody else.

>> skdid you ever meet patrick baltazar? >> no, i did not. >> we offered to show the dna findings to the stepmother. >> i knt read it. please don't make me read it. >> reporter: so we toll her what the f.b.i. report said. wayne williams cannot be excluded as the source of those two hairs. she listened. then this. >> without a shadow of a doubt u i really believe that wayne williams killed patrick baltazar.

>> next, trained to kill. >> were you trained in unarmed combat techniques? >> i'm sure there are other things in unarmed combat besides putting somebody in a choke hold. ♪

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good morning. how are you doing? >> when we return to prison for our final interview with wayne williams, we had one question he was not expecting. what wayne had written about being recruited for espionage training as a teenager. at a secret government camp hidden in the woods near this north georgia lake, where he was given what could amount to a license to kill. it's called, "finding myself."

what's finding myself? it reads like an autobiography. >> go ahead. i'm listening. >> it's an account of your cia training. >> we're not going to get into that. >> why not? >> we're not going to get into that. >> i got a copy of it. >> yeah, but we're not going to get into that. >> why not? >> we're just simply not going to get into that. >> by his account, wayne was fresh out of high school, just 18 years old, when he was approached by an associate of an old world war ii spy living in the atlanta area and was initiated into a secret world. you're not going to answer a single question on this? >> no, ma'am. >> is it fake? >> no. >> is it fictional writing? >> no. >> did you work for the cia? >> we're not going to get into that. >> in these pages, he said he spent his summer weekends in those woods learning how to handle plastic explosives, hand grenades, and something even more chilling.

so i'll do the talking part and you can answer what part of it you want. you write how you fired rifles, submachine guns, handled assault weapons, grenade launchers, c-4, learned unarmed combat techniques through this training group over weekends. is it true or is it false? >> we're not going to comment on that. >> when you're 19 years old. you're saying you worked for the cia, you've been recruited. >> i'll let the document speak for itself. i'm not going to comment on that. >> did you work for the cia? >> i cannot comment on that. >> copyright 1992 by wayne williams. is this an autobiography? >> i cannot comment on that. >> in his own words, wayne williams said this was part of a secret plan to send young black agents into the worst trouble spots in africa in the late 1970s.

he wrote that he finished training, then withdrew from the program. either this was a true story and you have been trained in evasive tactics ex-filtration techniques, weapons use, unarmed combat techniques, which would include a deadly choke hold. or it's made up. >> let me ask one question. where did you obtain that? >> i can't tell you that. >> oh, there, now we're talking! >> you're a news man. you know the answer to that question before you asked it. >> okay. all right. i was -- >> is it true? it's got your name on it. >> i will say this -- >> were you trained in unarmed combat techniques? could you grab somebody bigger than yourself, put him in a choke hold? because that's what that is. >> i'm sure there are other things that unarmed combat besides putting somebody in a choke hold. >> when i talk to the military experts and i say to them what exactly does that mean, that's one of the things on their list. top two things, by the way. >> i wouldn't doubt that. >> so are you trained in that or not? >> let me say this.

>> i'm asking such straightforward questions. >> i understand that. i understand that. but again i ask you to understand my position on this. let's say that that were true, that that were the case, or let's just say that i had some experiences that i do not want to comment on today for reasons that the document says, okay? the fact is, what does that have to do with the situation today? >> everything. >> you tell me. >> it has everything to do with it. a big part of the conversation, when i talked to your lawyers, was could wayne williams grab somebody -- did he have the strength -- look how -- he's not a big guy. could he -- >> i see what you're saying. >> could he grab someone in an unarmed combat technique and kill them? and your attorneys would say to me, you met him, he's not a big guy.

so if you're telling me, yes, in fact, i was trained by the cia, which is basically what this document says in a nutshell, on weekends when i was a teenager and i am trained in the choke hold technique, that's one thing. if you're telling me that, no, that never happened, but you're writing a long fantasy about being trained with the cia in weaponry and the choke hold technique, that takes it a whole other direction. remember, doctors said at least two of the victims, and perhaps more, were probably killed by choke holds. do you know how to kill someone with a choke hold? >> i'm sure -- >> that's a straightforward question, isn't it? because i can answer it. my answer would be, no, no, sir, i do not know. what's your answer to that? >> let me say something about that. >> that's a yes or no answer. >> no, it's not. >> yes, it is, actually! >> yes it is, actually. >> not until the very end of our prison interview did we come close to a real answer. it's actually a very simple question. can you kill someone with a

choke hold? >> you probably could. you probably could under the right circumstances. >> i know for a fact i could not. i know you're being facetious, but i know for a fact i could not. were you trained as a teenager to do that? because that's what you're writing in this. i get cia, you don't want to talk about it. it's all off the record. >> let me state this for the record. okay. i think in the paper that you have -- and i will say this. that it says that there was contact with a certain program. and i will say it was the joint officer -- excuse me. junior officer training program which was run by a certain agency -- and you're correct -- cia. but i never said that i worked for them. i simply said -- >> now who's splitting hairs? were you trained -- >> -- some contact with some person and that's all i'm going to say. >> were you trained -- >> that's all i'm going to say.

>> -- in these techniques. >> that's all i'm going to say. >> he did acknowledge it was cia training, but said no more. so is this true? or only a fantasy in his mind? the mind of a man the courts have found to be a killer? we'll leave that question with you. the verdict is now yours to decide in your own mind. gwynne, the choices. guilty, innocent or not proven either way. in a few moments, we'll show you the verdicts that our audiences reach when this documentary was first broadcast. but before then, a look at some of the answers from those who lived through the terror 30 years ago. the prosecutor. >> obviously, guilty. >> the defense attorney. >> not proven. one way or the other. >> the fbi agent in charge. >> guilty of two double homicide. >> sheila baltazar. >> he could have killed all of them. >> the supreme court justice. >> not proven.

>> the witness. >> guilty. >> camille bell. >> innocent, but stupid. >> that first task force detective. >> no maybes, ifs. guilty. the right man for those homicides is in jail. the original audience verdict, guilty, 69%. innocent, 4%. not proven either way, 27%. ♪ hello, everyone.

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at least 120 homes or buildings have been destroyed. a live report from oklahoma. stay tuned for that here on cnn. in the caribbean sea, tropical storm ernesto drawing a bead on the yucatan peninsula. the storm is packing winds up to 60 miles per hour and could become a category one hurricane the next few days. jamaica is under a tropical storm warning right now and here is what else we are working on for you. where most shows, of course, dare not go. the new american obsession. perfection in a pill. >> it's not like i get high off. it or anything. >> but some people are, getting high on life and even higher on the corporate ladder. but at what cost perfection? this man says another popular pill zapped his sex drive and shrank his testicles. i bet that got your attention. and so will this. it's a bird. it