should we cut you some slack? >> these are first time chip offenders. >> glad he has a sense of humor about it. because frankly my nerves are fried. so consider "outfront" next, a blame game following a shooting at the conservative family research council. did politics motivate this gunman? it could be a turning point in the race for the white house. a brand-new poll is out. guess what, it shows there is a much tighter race in a key battleground state. and we've got this for you. two brothers, 25 years for them both, in prison, for murder. but a post on facebook may have actually led to their freedom. and tonight we've got the exclusive interview with those brothers. we're going to take you "outfront."

evening,everyone, i'm ashleigh banfield in for erin burnett tonight. the blame game at its worst it seems. just one day after floyd lee corkens allegedly said "i hate your politics" and then shot a security guard at the conservative family research council offices, tony perkins, who's the president of that group, is blaming the southern poverty law center. >> corkens was given a license to shoot an unarmed man by organizations like the southern poverty law center that have been reckless in labeling organizations hate groups because they disagree with them on public policy. and i believe the southern poverty law center should be held accountable for their reckless use of terminology. >> well, those are fighting worlds. but the southern poverty law center is fighting right back. and this evening they're saying this, and i quote, perkins accusation is outrageous.

the family research council and its allies on the religious right are saying in effect that offering legitimate and fact-based criticism in a democratic society is tantamount to suggesting that the objects of criticism should be the targets of criminal violence. to be clear, there is quite a little history between these two parties. the family research council and the southern poverty law center. it's a group that monitors hate and pig bigotry. the center put the council on their, quote, hate watch list in 2010. and again i'm quoting, because it has knowingly spread false and denigrating propaganda. for its part, the council was a vocal supporter of chick-fil-a when the restaurant chain came under fire for the president, for the president of of that restaurant, saying that the marriage that we classically see in the united states should be between a man and a woman.

but, how is all of this connected to the shooting that's not even two days old yet? barely even evidence in the case? well, police say this. they have now recovered a 9 millimeter handgun and two rounds of ammunition. 50 rounds more of ammunition. and guess what else was in the backpack? 15 chick-fil-a sandwiches in his backpack. okay. so there's a connection. this afternoons, corkens was charged with assault to kill with intent to kill. and also charged with interstate transportation of a firearm and ammunition. and this is a federal case, folks. as well joining us, former fbi assistant director tom funetes and cnn legal contributor paul kallen. i know you're learning some more about how this alleged shooter actually got himself into this building. walk me through it. >> the 28-year-old floyd corkens apparently walked into the

building and stopped in the lobby and that is when he was approached by the building manager who, he said that he was interviewing for an internship. 28 years old, interviewing for an internship. and that is when the building manager, leo johnson, said that corkens opened fire. and that's of course -- we know what happened after that. but clearly new details coming out as to the investigation and investigators try to figure out how he exactly got into the building because it is a pretty secure building. for modern standards. it's very up to date. as well as a card swiping system for employees to get in. >> fascinating the allegation right now is he had yelled out before he opened fire, i hate your politics. this is going to play in heavily to our next part of the conversation. tom fu ne tnes, i want to ask you a couple things. does this look to you like domestic terror?

>> if that's the exact statement is true, it's almost by the definition. if you try to kill somebody based on their ethnic background, racial background, political or religious beliefs, then that makes it pretty much domestic terrorism. if he actually said that statement and that's actually why he was motivated to do the shooting, he's defined the act himself as domestic terrorism. >> all right so paul kallen if you wouldn't mind, he's done some very quick reading on this, weigh in on this whether this was domestic terror or potentially hate crime. there's a hate crime statute in d.c. what does it say? >> d.c., like most other jurisdictions, has hate crime statutes. it was created in part to protect gay people from discrimination and to enhance the crime punishment when a crime is committed against them. >> yeah, there's some irony there. >> so the expression of political opinion, quote, that you referred to earlier, puts it into the hate crime statute, which means ultimately that the

federal research council is protected by a hate crime statute that was designed largely to protect gays. >> and when you -- when we're talking evidence, this allegation of the quote, i hate your politics, so this would be sort of some really bad facts. >> well, the statute says that if you commit a crime based on hatred, based on somebody's politics, that's a hate crime. so the frc is protected by this statute and the shooter actually can be prosecuted by a hate crime here. >> with your fbi background, once again what's going on with everything in this man's life, his hard drive, his apartment or his home, his mail, what's the fbi doing to look into this at this point? >> that's exactly right. they're looking into all of that to determine if he's part of a group, if there are others who are thinking the same way as he is and may commit other acts like that. so did he act all by himself, motivated personally to do this, or is he part of a group? and that also would be under

domestic terrorism if he's part of an organization. so that can be determined in large respect by interviewing everybody that knows him, worked with him, colleagues, family, neighbors, as well as examining his e-mail records and his telephone records. >> all right, tom fuentes, thank you for reporting on this tonight. how the electoral map breaks down now that one state is truly a brand-new toss-up. we'll tell you which one it is and why. also, apple makes a move to take over your television. is this a move forward or backwards though? you'll find out. also "outfront" tonight, an exclusive. two brothers who have been rotting away in prison for the past 25 years for murder, but now a facebook post may be leading to their freedom forever. and those brothers are going to join me "outfront" ahead. our second story "outfront"

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our second story "outfront" tonight, a major political development. one that drastically changes our cnn electoral map. new cnn poll of registered voters in wisconsin yes that is paul ryan's home state.

49% of them are in favor of president obama. 45% of them in favor of mitt romney. that means wisconsin which has been leaning toward, president obama, is now pretty much up for grabs. you think about the margin of error. ryan is from wisconsin so there's going to be a lot of attention there. "outfront" tonight, our chief national correspondent john king joins me live. ha, the magic wall. i am your stalker fan. i love when you do the magic wall because you make it very clear. clear this up for me on how this changes the race. >> this is a 2008 map. notice all this blue in the middle of the country? the midwest very much part of president obama's big winning coalition. that's 2008. i'm going to turn this up. i'm going to show you 2010. this is the senate races in 2010. look at all that red in the very same states. that's 2010. that's 2008 in the race for president. that part of the country very much up for grabs. let's go to our electoral college map. we woke up this morning with wisconsin, light blue.

meaning leaning obama. if you're looking at the big map, dark blue is solid democrat or solid obama. light blue leaning. because of our reporting in the state, i was there for a couple days this week, we're going to call wisconsin a toss-up state. it brings the math a little bit more in governor romney's favor. the president still leads 237 electoral votes we think are either soft or solid for president obama. 206 for governor romney. it takes 270 to win. if you look, ashley, remember, that area, this was all blue last time. we already say indiana is leading republican. ohio's a toss-up. the midwest part of the country open fertile ground for the republicans. they hope the energy the party had there in 2010 continues on to november. >> what other scenarios can you cook up for me. >> if you take this as the map right now, and you see these yellow states, those are your toss-up state. almost impossible to see romney winning without florida. watch this state it the president's going to spend a lot of time, a lot of money. the paul ryan pick exacerbates the medicare debate.

let's say governor romney wins that state. let's say that the ryan bump is enough and romney gets wisconsin. look at that, then governor romney's ahead 235 to 237. you'll have the biggest battleground in ohio. if romney can also win that, look how close it gets him. at the moment, the map favors the president. if you talk to democrats down in florida, they're nervous. talk to democrats in ohio, that's a true toss-up. if romney can put those two states together, then the maps tilt in his favor and they fight it out over those handful of other smaller states if you will to the finish line. >> i can't wait as these change because they probably will. >> yes, they will. >> john, great work. thank you, my friend. another key toss-up state, florida. florida, florida, florida. we always say that, don't we, when it's election time. ground zero of the medicare debate as well. that's where paul ryan is going to be campaigning on saturday. are you ready? probably no surprise, he's going to take his mother on the stump. i can't wait to see it. ryan is insisting the medicare issue is only going to help his ticket.

>> this is a debate we want to have. this is the debate we need to have. this is the debate we're going to ring. >> oh, you think so, do you? the group that's working to elect democrats to the house released its first ad today targeting republicans for supporting paul ryan's plan. >> voted to essentially end medicare. forcing seniors to pay over 6,000 more a year. >> yeah, i'm confused too. you too? there is one thing that's pretty clear in this whole debate. each side on this debate wants you to think that the other side is the real enemy of medicare. but it seems like they're both using the same sets of numbers and that they're both guilty of doing what we like to call hear mediscare. my guests tonight. i like to say to talk me off the ledge. let me begin with you. i always give the disclaimer you were my intern once upon a day

many years ago in dallas. >> i was. >> you don't get a free pass though on tv. so walk me through this. on romney's plan, he is pretty short on the specifics when it companies to medicare but not so much for paul ryan. he's very specific and he often quotes that $716 billion figure. saying yeah, obama people are going to take that out of medicare. it sounds hypocritical when he uses that same kind of figure for his own plan. why isn't it? >> well, because he takes that money and puts it back into medicare whereas barack obama took that money out of medicare and put it directly into obama care. now this issue's going to play out for a very long time and it's going to be nasty and ugly and these numbers are going to be batted around a million times as you well know. i think republicans can actually win on this issue. right now, we kind of have somewhat of a problem in my opinion. that is the fact that paul ryan is out there defending mitt romney's plan. but he hasn't really offered a plan with as much specifics as paul ryan. so paul ryan stuck submitting to

the candidate the nominee's plan. but yet the nominee himself doesn't have many specifics to put out there, so he's got to rely on and defend part of paul ryan's plan. if we are going to move forward with this and actually succeed in purposing this medicare issue, making it waning issue for us, we have to have a united front. both the -- need to be pushing the same message. it's so convoluted, they have to get on the same page. >> a lot of people doing this right now who want to get in on this conversation. not before i suggest to you right now and give you the information from today. in which mitt romney described the president's plan today. here's how he put it, take a look. >> so this is the president's plan. $716 billion cut. 4 million people losing medicare advantage and 15% of hospitals and nursing homes not accepting medicare patients.

>> seems as though the republicans do keep hammering away. $716 billion cut. >> and he broke out the black board. never works out so good. here's the thing. first of all, these are supply side cuts. they would have you thinking suddenly $716 billion is being taken out of the mouths of senior citizens -- >> that's what hogan just said. the obama folks are going to take 716 away from medicare and ryan wants to put it in. >> it's just not true. this is about efficiency. this is about restricting the amount of payments to suppliers. not the beneficiaries the very same cuts obama's advocating, they're in the other sides as well. >> there you got everybody sitting at their living room sets in poughkeepsie saying, is someone going to be able to win this? is someone going to hammer away and win the medicare scare? >> they're both kind of playing to the lowest common denominator here. let's really look at the

difference between the two plans. that $716 billion. mark lamont hill's right and hogan's right to the extent these are specific numbers put forward and guess what, the ryan plan and the obama plan, both would reduce these payments by $716 billion over ten years. this isn't raiding medicare. it's two different versions on how to save the system. >> can you repeat that? both of these plans would reduce medicare by $716 billion over ten years? >> right, spending. >> okay. >> so this is very important, right. this isn't coming out of beneficiaries. this is payments to insurers and doctors and hospitals. >> and the waste and fraud -- >> and the waste and fraud and abuse. p ares traditionally get giddy over the subject of saving taxpayer money and getting increased efficiency. so this is where the politics of medicare scare and pull back the curtain. instead of having a great debate as a nation about two different paths to reform medicare, instead we get politics of mediscare. it's hypocritical on the

republican's side. >> i got to wrap it up. but you know what, when you said this is convoluted and complex, you are right. we need an hour or three to actually debate this properly. will you come back, my friend? >> absolutely. >> in the morning, for your show. >> i changed to 11:00 a.m., by the way. tease. john avlon, thank you as well. ahead, mitt romney is telling us something he hasn't told us before. a hint. a hint about his taxes. you got to stay tuned for this one. it's been the best kept secret. also apple may be one step closer to taking over your television. but is it a step in the wrong direction for this company? more in a moment. with a car insurance claim. [ voice of dennis ] switch to allstate. their claim service is so good, now it's guaranteed. [ normal voice ] so i can trust 'em. unlike randy. are you in good hands?

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welcome back to the second half hour of "outfront." we start the second half hour with stories that we care about where we focus on our own reporting from the front lines. a story we've been following closely here on "outfront," mitt romney's taxes. the gop presidential candidate addressed the topic on the campaign trail today. saying guess what, you never paid less than 13% in taxes ever. >> i did go back and look at my taxes. over the past ten years, i never paid less than 13%. the most recent years, 13.6%. something like that. pay taxes every single year.

harry reid's charge is totally false. >> so that's important. not paying taxes ever in those ten years because the ten years is what everybody's been criticizing him for. his wife ann romney also addressed this tax issue in an interview with nbc's "rock center." >> we have been very transparent to what's legally required of us. but the more we release, the more we get attacked. the more we get questioned. the more we get pushed. we have done what's legally required. there's going to be no more tax releases given. >> so in addition to paying at least 13% in taxes, mitt romney also said if its consider that rightable donations are accounted for, his tax rate is, quote, well above 20%. do you remember that massive sinkhole we talked to you about in louisiana? today, it swallowed an additional 50 feet of land.

it caused two cleanup workers to have to be rescued and moved to safety. the parish police and texas brine company tell us two workers were removing debris from the top of the water filled sinkhole when suddenly they became aware of trees that were shifting all around them. that is freaky. they were forced to move to an air boat to make sure they could stay safe. nobody was hurt. but the cleanup efforts have been suspended because it's a little too dangerous for the time being. it's not looking likely that the executives at that bankrupt brokerage firm mf global are going to be charged with any kind of a crime. all of of this according to "the new york times." a newspaper that's reporting that the criminal investigation into why more than $1 billion of customer money somehow just went missing at the brokerage. that investigation is coming to a close. the top executives including former ceo jon corzine will likely not be criminally

charged. "the times" reporting that investigators are concluding that a chaotic environment and poor risk controls were at the problem here. that is what caused the money to disappear and not the accusations of fraud. a criminal defense attorney tells "outfront" that not prosecuting the executives is actually the right result in this story, adding that evidence of criminal wrongdoing on corzine's part was just scant or completely absent. we have an update for you on facebook. we let you know that facebook shareholders would be freed up. to unload about 271 million shares in the market today. so did it get flooded? well, it looks like facebook hit a new closing low of $19.87. that's a loss of more than 6%. so now it's been 378 days since the united states lost its

top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? well, it might have been a rough day for facebook overall. it was a pretty good day for stocks. the dow rose 85 points. the tech heavy nasdaq was up by 1%. time for the fourth story "outfront" tonight. it's an exclusive. two brothers who spent almost 25 years in jail for a murder they say they did not commit. tonight, they're out on bond after a facebook posting cast some doubt on their guilt. okay. that is one sweet moment if you're those two men. thomas and raymond highers. there they are walk out of jail on monday. those first degree murder convictions that had them trapped there for a quarter century gone. overturned. thrown out. the highers brothers were

convicted of killing a drug dealer. that was in 1987. it happened in detroit's east side. since 2009 facebook posting, well, a few other witnesses came forward. and they had something else to say. including one man who said, yeah, the shooters weren't white. they weren't white. they were black. now, that is a massive difference in a case. today, the prosecution filed an appeal. because they're not happy about this. they worked hard to put them away. they don't want to have to do this all over again. you know what, they might have to do it all over again depending on how it goes. "outfront" tonight, let's talk to thomas and raymond highers, along with their attorney valerie newman. wow, thomas and raymond, this is an amazing story. i can't talk about the case before i ask you how you're doing and how those last few days have been. >> well, we're feeling very happy and elated and the last

few days have been like a whirlwind of some activity. just meeting new family and getting to know everybody once again. >> so it's a very odd story. when we hear the new witnesses saying -- clearly you two are white and the who committed this crime they say could have been four or five black guys who jumped a fence and committed this crime. do you know any of these black suspects who somehow are out there somewhere? >> absolutely not. we got embroiled in it by just -- being in the neighborhood that night basically. >> and that was it, being in the wrong place at the wrong time? >> that's basically it, yeah. >> okay, so obviously this would be a good time to lend some clarity into how this whole thing shook out. here's how it started. robert carney was a drug dealer.

i think they called him big bob. back in 1987. he was shot to death. in 1983, there was a man named john. he told his roommate that he was there when carney was killed. he witnessed it. he tells kevin he and a high school buddy had gone up to carney's house looking for some weed. when four or five black guys jumped the fence and put a gun to them and told them to get out. he sees a posting that says something to the effect that it's too bad that the highers brothers are in prison for life. but that's when he decided, i've got to do some digging here. i remember something about this. he found out it was actually for the murder of that drug dealer that he remembered from so long ago. it spawned the conversation he had with his old roommate john. john said he was there and he saw it, that it was four or five black guys, it wasn't two white guys at all.

kevin tracked down john. kevin said, john, you have got to come forward. in july of 2012, thomas and ray's murder verdicts were reversed. today, they're sitting in a studio talking to me because of it. before i go on any further, valerie, today, the news hook to this story is that there is an appeal. those brought cheers do not want to go back to that courtroom again. you're the apalelet attorney. if these two gentlemen sitting beside you go back to a courtroom, can they win this case, given all this new material from kevin and john? >> absolutely. the prosecutors don't want to go back to a new trial because they can't retry this case. the case has been destroyed. the original case was based on two promises. one, there was a gentleman waiting to go buy weed from mr. kerry. and he was standing in the street. he saw two white guys.

he saw a car pull up. two white guys walk up the driveway. heard a shot. and saw the same two white guys running back, get in that car and leave. so the first presumption is they're the killers. the second presuming in the original trial was that they were raymond and thomas highers. with the new witnesses, those presumptions have evaporated. the prosecution has, now, absolutely no case against raymond and thomas highers because even at the original trial, the trial judge had enormous doubt. but not enough doubt that he wasn't willing to convict. but a lot of different disparate facts he couldn't answer. what this new evidence has done is answer almost every single question that judge had at that time. >> thomas and raymond, do you think perhaps it might have been kevin and john? if their story's true and they are the new witnesses in this case, that they were -- for their lives, they might have been the two white guys scene

running from the scene of the crime and you guys were fingered as the two white guys running from the scene of the crime? >> hang on. actually, just one thing, kevin wasn't there. >> right. beg your pardon. it was john and his friend. and john told the story to kevin. i beg your pardon. same question again. do you guys think this was a mistaken identity? john and his friend, two white guys, running from the crime, and they thought it was you, two white guys running from the crime? >> yeah, that's exactly what happened. they were there and -- they were more or less victims themselves of the crime. and was told at gunpoint to leave. and they ran back to their car, got in and drove away. and we were mistaken for them two young white men. >> and not just young, they were teenagers, so they didn't really bother to follow the case. they're kids, right, so why follow a court case to find out what happened.

i'd like you to weigh in on this really honestly. facing what you were facing 25 years ago, knowing what was going down in that courtroom, did you or your brother ever consider a plea bargain just to hopefully get the time down and just do the deal even though you say you're innocent? >> no, never. never entered our mind. something was asked to our attorneys at the time. and they didn't even consider it. i don't -- there was no doubt in me and ray's mind that we wasn't gonna do that. when they told us there was a plea on the table, we said absolutely not. >> valerie, just quickly. this appeal the prosecutors have launched, again, it's a little convoluted. it's an appeal of what that judge just did. tossing out those verdicts. this appeal, if it's successful, it brings back those verdicts and sends these two men back to jail. does this appeal have a shot? >> no.

i would say there's virtually no chance of this appeal moving forward. judge talon who is a trial court judge in this case, heard exhaustive and extensive testimony about what happened that evening. from numerous witnesses. and their stories all coalesced. they're folks who have not talked to each other for 25 years. the only theory during the evidentiary hearing was there a vast conspiracy. how can there be a vast conspiracy among people who don't know each other? they don't talk to each other. why would -- if anybody wanted to conspire to free them, why would they wait 25 years? >> thomas higher, raymond higher, valerie, i've got to end it there. a lot of legal twists to it. i think a lot of people are learning about the legal process. we'll follow the case. thank you to all three of you. >> thank you.

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we're back with tonight's outer circle where we reach out to our sources all around the world and we want to take you to london. where julian assange, the founder of wikileaks, has been granted asylum by ecuador. the country's foreign minister said the decision was based on concerns if he were sent to sweden where he'd be questioned on a sex crime charge, he'd eventually be extradited to the united states where he could be charged with espionage and treason. atika shubert is there and i asked her what happened next to assange. >> reporter: julian assange has now been granted asylum in ecuador. he can't step outside. if he does, british authorities says he can and will be arrested and extradited to sweden for questioning. now, julian assange may have upped the ante just a bit. in its twitter feed, wikileaks has said julian assange will be making a live statement, his

first public appearance in two months, on sunday in front of the embassy. we'll be here to see what happens. our fifth story "outfront." the man who got his start cleaning sidewalks in the bronx. but he had an idea that has made him one of the most successful restaurateurs in the world. here he is. his name is joe. he's a longtime partner of of that iron chef you all know, mario batali. he's the self-proclaimed restaurant man between iconic favorites. and the largest italian food market in the world. right here in new york. erin asked him about the crazy idea that ultimately led him to millions. >> i was born into it.

it's one of those things that was thrust upon me. my parents were immigrants who came after the war. as most i grants did, they did what they did in the old country. they opened up a restaurant in the '60s. i was born. they put me in the restaurant. here i am. >> you're inhaling it at three months so here you are. >> basically grown in a restaurant. >> it took a lot courage. when you started out, you know, it sounded like, look, i'll go the traditional route. >> right, it was not in the cards for me. >> a lot of people don't say, i'm going to go off and do my own thing but you did. >> when you have a love for food and wine, when it's in your dna, even though, you know, wall street may be alluring and, you know, it was the late '80s and it was like what people did. people who were successful, they went to work on wall street. they bought big houses. the rest of the people were miserable. i thought i wanted to be one of them. so i did that. then realized at an early age i

figured i had this incredible passion for food and wine and for making wine. i knew i had to kind of follow my jen net ek imperative if you will to go back to italy. i quit my job. bought a one-way ticket to italy in 1992. you were probably still in grade school. >> not quite but i'll take the compliment. >> and then i lived in my vw bug and traveled italy from north to south for two years, making wine, working in restaurants, food, whatever, and just kind of fell in love with it and realized, had my epiphany, that's what i needed to do with my life. >> then you opened a restaurant. >> my first restaurant i opened in 1983 in the theater district. i borrowed $80,000 from my grandmother. a lot of money. i opened a restaurant in the theater district that was not very glamorous. it was a job. i had to make a living. probably in its first year did a million or $2 million if i was super lucky. then that's the stepping stone. it's the first restaurant i have.

celebrating its 20th anniversary. >> still there. >> i opened up a store with some of my partners called italy. have you been to italy? >> i've been to italy. >> it's this kind of market/restaurant. it's kind of like the mecca of all that's great about italian food and wine and lifestyle and people. and it's on 23rd street in fifth avenue. italy in its first year did $80 million in sales. >> but it is an incredible -- so it's in your dna, i get it. but, you know, you're being very humble. even if it's in your dna, starting a restaurant and having it be successful is incredibly rare and difficult to do. >> i've been fortunate. it's been 20 years. my parents did it. i joined with my partner. we've done many restaurants. we've been very successful. and that's not an easy thing to do. >> when you say i'm going to open another restaurant, how do you figure out that you can -- what is the magic?

>> well, it's kind of our business. grow or die business. you can't kind of stand still. if you want to attract bright people, they need to know they have a future. to be successful in the restaurant buy you have to kind of grow. we're passionate people. we love food and wine. it's always that idea. that trip to italy. that little eatery you ate at in sicily. you come back and you find a spot and you do it. born out of a combination of necessity. to grow your company. also out of passion about experiences and about transmitting and creating what you find so beautiful about the culture of italian food and wine for your public and new york. it's not always so business savvy. a lot of it is about passion. >> right. if someone was coming in now and had your passion, had to start out -- to start a restaurant -- >> i would say don't do it, go back to wall street. no, of course, you can do it.

it's much more difficult. 20 years ago, world, at least new york, was a little bit simpler. there was a little bit less bureaucracy. it was an easier -- it was a little bit easier. everyone wants to be here. every inch -- everything we do is very regulated and that's good -- >> you're saying red tape has really -- >> bureaucracy means more money, less margin, more difficulty and it's very difficult to compete. there's a lot of restaurants who are really great, doing a lot of great things. it is a tough racket. coming into it, it's not easy. >> i got a question for you, did you at any point today complain about the weather or that your feet hurt or the traffic or that your back hurt or you were tired or any of those things we really complain about a lot? i have a story coming up after the break. and you may never complain about

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he presented himself as something different. i had hoped that the new president would bring new jobs. not major layoffs, not people going through major foreclosures on their homes. he did get his healthcare through, but at what cost? he said he was going to cut the deficit in his first term. i've seen zero interest in reducing spending. he inherited a bad situation, but he made it worse. i think he's a great person. i don't feel he is the right leader for our country, though. i still believe in hope and change, i just don't think obama's the way to go for that. the president has not earned re -election, in 2012, in my book. i've seen his now definition of hope and change. it's not the hope and change i want, and it's not the hope and change i thought i was going to get. i don't feel that i helped my grandchildren by voting for president obama and i regret that. americans for prosperity is responsible for the content of this advertising. what? it's a brand-new camry.

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there was a story out of syria today that i had planned on bringing to you. i'm sorry to say, it dealt with

destruction and violence in aleppo that is tragically so familiar and really it's becoming very hard to keep up with it, so i want to bring you a twist on this story. it's all too rare i get a chance to step out of reporter mode and become a tv viewer. it's exactly what happened to me today when i watched the incoming feed of my colleague's report ben wedeman. who's in aleppo, syria. i want you to take a look at a small part of it. >> reporter: nerves still on edge. the possibility the plane will strike yet again. go in, go in, go in. the next entrance. the rounds smash into crowded neighborhoods far from the front lines. random nature of the shelling and the air raids on the rebel-controlled part of aleppo means any building, anywhere, in

this part of the city could be hit at anytime. >> including where ben was just standing. the truth is is as callous as this sounds, we americans often become very shaded towards statistics like death tolls and destruction. unfortunately, the sheer number of miles that separate us and the catastrophic events going on in syria, it can tend to create a buffer of disassociation. so when someone like ben wedeman who's exhausted and hungry and sporting a 5:00 shadow at least three days old is literally jumping into these wrecks of buildings and dodging bullets in order to bring us a report, not just about assad and the things he's doing, but about the citizens, the people of syria, who are currently not able to go to school, they are not able to get on the bus to get around. they're not receiving paychecks it and even if they did, they can't spend them anywhere. there's no food in the stores. there's barely clean water. seemingly all the money these people have is towards getting