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them home. now to your responses to our question of the morning. the question, will akin's legitimate rape comments hurt the romney campaign? this is from victor, give us a little credit. we know the different between akin and romney. romney is doing fine and will prevail. shani says, if it doesn't hurt his campaign, why is the gop trying to distance themselves from him so quickly? thanks for your responses. the next hour of newsroom starts right now. hi, everybody. thank you, carol costello, i'm ashleigh banfield. let's start with what carol left off with. the legitimate rape debate is blowing up big folks. in fact, it's now a countdown. a countdown starting with seven hours. because seven hours is all that's pretty much left in order for todd akin, the person at the heart of this, to pull himself out of the race. that is, if he wants to do so
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with ease and not incur a whole bunch of costs. the costs for reprinting ballots and cleaning up a mess of a guy who pull out of a race before that race is really ready for him to do so. this is the man at the heart of the debate. six-term u.s. congressman. he's been gunning for the seat of u.s. senate democratic claire mccaskill. but mr. akin says, forget about it. i'm not going anywhere. this is after blunt demands from members of his own party, in fact, from tea party members, too. this firestorm erupted when he told an interviewer that pregnancy was caused by legitimate rape and that kind of rape is rare and this is the weird part, preventible from the victim. can i remind you that congressman akin was on a science committee and said that pregnancy is preventible by the victim during a possible, quote, legitimate rape.
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he apologized for all of this, folks, and said he misspoke and he said it over and over and over again, i misspoke, i misspoke, i misspoke. didn't say what he misspoke about but here is what he is saying today and in one word, forgiveness. take a look at the brand-new ad. >> i'm todd akin and i approve this message. rape is an evil act and i used the word wrongs in the wrong way and for that i apologize. as a father of two daughters, i want tough justice for predators. i have couple passionate heart for the victims of sexual assault. the fact is, rape can lead to pregnancy and rape has many victims. the mistake was in the words i said, not in the hard i hold. i ask for your forgiveness. >> now, that's critical. i ask for your forgiveness, because i'm not stepping out of this race, folks.
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reproducing that ad may be critical in this race because congressman akin canceled on piers morgan. that's what he told piers morgan producers. because 45 minutes before air time, akin bowed out, said, no, not going to do the interview. so this is what piers aired. piers went further and called akin a gutless little twirp. painful. for the record, his opponent, claire mccaskill was also supposed to appear on piers morgan. i want to go to dana bash, my colleague. listen, this is critical here, dana. while so many people are coming out of the woodwork within the
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tea party, there are many people who are backing mr. akin and don't want him to quit this race, beginning with, of all things, claire mccaskill. explain. >> you know, ashleigh, you know the world is turned upside down and inside out when your opponent comes to your defense and that's what claire mccaskill is doing. suddenly she's defending not only him but republican primary voters who and elected him to be her opponent. you'll have to see it to believe it. >> yeah, i guess it makes sense. basically, has it come to the point where any of those who were running against mr. akin in the primaries didn't have a shot at beating her? i mean, is she so sure at this point that this is the guy now with all of this mess behind him that she can beat she does not want to go up against anyone else that might take his place? >> well, i think that she knows -- let me take you back in time a little bit. she knew during the republican
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primary, there was effectively a three-way primary to run against her. she knew that he would be the best republican and most likely that she could beat so much so that democrats put up an ad saying how conservative he is making him palatable to republican voters. listen to this sound bite. >> congressman akin and i gis agree on some things but is he sign sear and he is now, in the last few hours, really apologized for what he said and i think what is startling to me is that these party bigwigs are coming down on him and saying that he needs to kick sand in the face of the republican primary voters. >> ashley, the phrase too cute comes to mind. i'm surprised she can say that with a straight face.
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it underscores the dynamic and answers your question that everyone knows if akin stays in it, it only helps mccaskill and ultimately the republican party in general and it keeps us talking about this issue. >> dana -- >> and not the issue of the economy. >> nobody gave that to the tea party caucus because soledon so o'brien, she was pretty critical. >> the fact that claire mccaskill wants him to stay in the race speaks volumes. we need to take back that senate seat and the only way to do it is to have a strong candidate in there. he will do what is best and he will step aside. >> so dana, this is a real conundrum, a catch 22 for republicans. >> it is. but what you just played is very important because it underscores what i'm hearing from republicans as sort of a
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reminder, that it's not just the leadership trying to push him out because they are worried about the republican party's message and brand and ultimate victory. it's that it's across the board. you know, we've seen it over the past two to four years as sort of a split in the republican party that establishment versus the tea party or establishment versus rank and file. that's not happening here. a republican sent me this e-mail. what this is is a list of all of the various republican or conservative forces that have called on akin to get out and varies from shawn hannity to conservative hosts to ann coulter. so the point is, it really is prakt c practically and every way for the republicans, it is their hope and prayer that he gets out of the race by the end of the day but i'm told that there's a very good chance that he might wait until another deadline, september 25th, which will
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really help republicans politically. >> they will probably want this mess to go away. dana bash, thank you very much. and for all of the outrage being directed to mr. akin for republicans higher ups, it's worth pointing out that the official party platform being voted on today in tampa, ready, sitting down? it backs the position of mr. akin, somewhat, parts of it anyway. it opposes abortion. the platform opposes abortion, no exceptions. no exceptions. not for rape, not for incest, and believe it or not, not for the life of the mother as well. mark preston is joining me now. listen, as tough that language seems to be, it ain't like it came out of the blue. we've had platforms like this in 2000, 2004, 2008.
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so it's not entirely different but perhaps the microscope is on it and the timing couldn't be worse. >> that's right, ashleigh. they are discussing it as we speak back at the convention center where they are getting ready for next week's convention. they had to get the platform information done quickly. that's what they are trying to do today. they started on it yesterday in earnest. the bottom line is, as you said, it doesn't explicitly state anything other than the sanctity of life. this wouldn't be a big issue, as you said, historically it's always been the platform but there is a bright light shining on it right now given the todd akin controversy. i can tell you, i was talking to somebody intricately involved in helping draft the platform language and to try to get it done quickly and what this person told me was that this is nothing more than a distraction and that the todd akin controversy is really hurting a republican party right now. >> let me read a little bit from
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the draft that cnn got its hand on. i'm going to do this verbatim. faithful to the self-evidence truths enshrined in the declaration of independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. if you combine that with the timing of all of this ugliness going on with mr. akin and he admits that it was ugliness, i'm not taking sides here. he says it was a mistake and the mistake is getting headlines. does this smurk, is it what people agree with? >> the platform is being written by all corner of the republican party and we see the more moderate republicans are weighing in as well. in fact, they just tried to and it just failed an effort to recognize the unions for
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same-sex marriage and that went down. we should also note that the platform is really being drafted by old guard republicans and what we're seeing is this transformation in the republican party as the younger republicans who tend to be more libertarian-minded, some like old guard and that's why we are seeing this language and this year we'll probably see it four years from now but it is a major tenant for the republican party and conservatives and, of course, that's the sanctity of life. >> mark press ston, thank you f that. cnn has massive coverage of the gop convention that kicks off on monday in tampa. [ male announcer ] the perfect photo... [ man ] nice!
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general martin dempsey, was asleep at the main nato air base when, guess what, his plane was hit by shrapnel by not one, but two taliban rockets. his plane sustained damage but he was not hurt. a nato spokesperson is calling this a lucky shot. barbara starr is at the pentagon with the latest. why a lucky shot. sounds to me like if it was the general's plane, it was pretty targeted why are they thinking it's just an accidental, lucky thing. >> well, in afghanistan, as you know, these rocket attacks are what they call indirect fire. what does that mean? that means they do not have the targeting, the precision, the taliban, the insurgence, whoever they are, light off a couple of rockets and they go where they go. it's not like they are actually targeted against anything and, in fact, the bagram air base
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comes under a couple of attacks a week. they were probably not able to specifically target dempsey's plane and thank goodness they were asleep at some distance away. we should mention, two maintenance personnel on the base were slightly injured. the c-17 dempsey was flying, it got hit by shrapnel near the door, along the fuselage and along one of the engines so it couldn't fly anymore. so this is why afghanistan remains a dangerous place all the time because it may be indirect fire, may be not precise unless it, of course, hits you. >> yes, barbara starr. the random shootings that some people call the blue on the green, green on blue, but did he cut short his visit?
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i do know that he got out but did he get out at the time that he was supposed to get out? >> it made him leave a little later because they had to get another plane ready to go and get it full of the gear and kit that he needs when he travels and he went on to iraq. very important what you just mentioned. the insider attacks and so many coalitions being killed by turning weapons on them was one of the major topics. president obama brought it up yesterday and said that he is going to speak to afghan president karzai. he feels that it could be getting out of hand and it's a tough problem. >> i don't know what happens when a four star gets into a c-17 and travels but that's how he got in and i'm assuming that's how he got out as well. >> absolutely.
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as apple's stock surges to make it the most profitable company ever, it happens to find
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itself in court. it's fighting an epic battle, actually, with samsung and it's over the technology that you've probably seen but never thought about. christine romans is watching this closely from new york, first of all, i miss you. >> hi, you too. >> what are they fighting about in what kind of pat tebts and designs seem to be at the issue here? >> well, it's design patents and what's at issue is the samsung galaxy, the technologies that are in both of these devices. apple is claiming that samsung is using its patents for and samsung is counter suing and saying, no, apple has some of its products. you're right that it's an epic lawsuit. quite frankly, this is technology that we use every day. how it comes out, ashleigh, may very well change the way our products look.
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if apple wins, you may see a lot of different kind of tablets and phones out there because no one is going to want to look like they are copying apple. if apple loses, everything could be applized in the end. let's talk specifically about what the lawsuit is about. apple claims these are the features that have been stolen by samsung. the rectangular shape. and then the rounded ends. and then utility patents. it's the scroll-back feature. >> it bounces instead of coming to an end? >> exactly. and the multi-touch features. samsung says apple has stolen from us the e-mail use on a camera phone, the way you can bookmark a photo and also the way you can have background music playing at the same time that you are multitasking on your device. it's going to be wrapping up soon. >> since i have you, can i bug
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you about peter field, the first big investor in facebook. i think he put $500,000 in. >> yeah. >> he decided to cash out. he made a ton of money. i think he's going to pull out a billion dollars in cash but what's the significance of him saying, i'm out? >> well, we knew that he was going to. this is a guy who put in $500,000 i think back in 2004. facebook wouldn't be here without him. he was an investor, an early-stage investor, sees a good idea, throws his money behind it and makes an afl lot of money. presumably some his investments don't pay off, i'm not sure, but this one did. the fact is, when you have insiders pulling their money out, right, the stock falls. and we've seen facebook shares falling pretty considerably, almost cut in half since the initial offering. now is the point where some people say you have the early investors out and you've got the people chasing after easy money
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on the ipo, they have been burned. is now the time that facebook shares make sense? remember, i was advised, be careful on ipos, give a company a good year to prove itself. >> how many people didn't listen to me? >> right. >> a good broken record, romans, i'll take your advice any day. i've read both of your books. look at the stock update for the day. there you go, big fat green arrow. dow is up 36.42 for now. keep an eye, though. thanks can change. when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. [ male announcer ] glucerna hunger smart. a smart way to help manage hunger and diabetes. [ male announcer ] glucerna hunger smart. ♪
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paul ryan is on the stump this hour. these are live pictures outside of pittsburgh right now. any minute he's going to take to the microphone. now, this is a little different. look at that. we did build it.
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that's the difference reference to president obama's comment about small businesses, you didn't build that. that is a great stump moment for them. by the way, yesterday when he teamed up with mitt romney, it was a tag team. it was a great event. we brought a lot of it to you. but today the vp pick is so low, he is officially solo. this is outside of pittsburgh in pennsylvania. he's expected to speak shortly. we are going to get you there live as soon as he does fire up that crowd. but right now, somewhere el else, in tampa, movers and shakers are gearing up for a big party on monday, so we're less than a week away. while in missouri, the clock is ticking loud. almost thudding towards a deadline for any kind of potential exit by a gop
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lawmaker. todd akin is the congressman and would-be senator that i'm speaking of. his presence is being felt in tam a pa one way or the other for his part. the rnc chairman has weighed in. he wants akin to simply go away and stay away. reince preibus was a guest on erin burnett's "outfront." have a listen. >> i understand ur point on todd akin, that you think he's not something that they support in the mainstream and i would imagine he's not welcome at the republican convention where you are either? >> well, listen, if it was up to me, i would prefer that todd akin do the right thing for our candidates and i would prefer that he not come. >> reince priebus went further and said, if i were you, i would just quit. look, mr. akin has a lot of
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support from the far right but he's losing support where it could really, really matter and that is in the bank. where's the money problem for this man now? >> well, he's not going to get any money from the national republicans, including some of the super pacs that earlier supported him, whether it's karl rove's super pac or the campaign committee. they said they had $5 million ready to go in ads for him. he's going to lose a lot of his support. and a lot of them are saying to me, basically, in no uncertain terms, he's going to have to go. he's going to have to come to that realization. he's in a bit of denial but he's going to have to go. he can do it the easy way and they can name another challenger to claire mccaskill, the endangered incumbent from missouri. or he can do it a harder way,
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another deadline at the end of september but then they have to redo the ballots and court orders have to go into effect. he announces for the good of the republicans in miss stour ree and republicans nationwide he decides to stay out of this senate race and give the republican party in missouri a chance to put another candidate up against claire mccaskill. >> but if you're a republican and say, oh, i don't know, like in tacoma, can you distance yourself geographically, can can you do anything about this or do you just stay away? >> if you're a republican candidate running elsewhere around the country? >> yeah. >> you want akin to go away as quickly as possible because this is -- you know, it's not so much the notion that he opposes abortion, including -- any exceptions, including rape and incest. a lot of republicans, a lot of people around the country oppose abortion including opposing those exceptions. what he's suggested, though, is that a woman's body potentially
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can differentiate and she won't get pregnant -- >> stop the process, right? let's just be really clear on this. biologically he's suggesting that she can somehow during this legitimate rape stop the pregnancy from happening. remind me, sir, he is on the science committee? >> you know, the medical community out there thinks that is such junk science, if you have, hogwash. >> ninth grade biology students i know. >> i read that long document, that paper by someone who is as an m.d. who came up with that notion marks a woman's hormones would take over and she wount get pregnant if it's a violent type of rain or anything like that. and all of the m.d.s, the legitimate scientists and doctors say, that is pure junk, if you will, but he believes that even though now he says a woman can get pregnant if she is
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raped in the latest statement that he's makes. that's part of what he said that has caused such an up roar. if he decides to stay in the race, there's a good chance he will lose and in missouri claire mccaskill will prevail and the republicans won't be able to gain the four seats that they need to be the majority. >> wolf blitzer, as usual -- this topic is real and nasty and it's happening and people need to know about this. mr. blitzer, we want to make sure that everyone tunes into your situation at 4:00 p.m. live only on cnn. thank you, wolf. >> thank you, ashleigh. with total customer support, backed by a 100% satisfaction guarantee. so go to legalzoom.com today and see for yourself.
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u.s. swimmer diana nyad this morning had to abandon her attempt to swim from havana to
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key west without a shark cage and if you don't think this is about as tough a challenge as the human body can take, well then just take a look at some of the pictures that have resulted. ow. 62 years old. this woman managed to push through so many jellyfish stin, lo how her face resulted. it wasn't just the jellyfish stings either. violent storms took over as well. pushed her, despite how much she fought against it, it pushed her off of her 103-mile course. think about swimming a lap at the pool. now think about swimming 103 miles and look at this underwater imaging. the lightning proved to be too dangerous for the divers swimming along with her. they were swimming so they could fend off the sharks. she also had to rely on electronic sharp rel ppellant. it just got to be too dangerous
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and the nyad chief operations called her 63-hour swim, and this is an understatement, monumental. congratulations to her any way. she's remarkable in all ways. but we have another swimmer, a swimmer doing some amazing swimming at the same time and actually did complete the trek. it's the same trek that diana nyad made almost 40 years ago. hees your girl. 14-year-old annaleise carr. she just became the first girl to swim across lake ontario. canadian. she finished the trek on sunday and this was a grueling 27 hours in the water and if that's not enough, annaleise started this swim to raise $36,000 for a cancer center for children
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called camp trillieum. guess how much she raised? three times that. congratulations on your swim. look at you. you adorable little thing. i can't believe how terrific you have -- you have really become a lot of inspiration to people. your parents updated your blog as you were swimming. you were undergoing conditions ten degrees cooler than diana nyad's swim, you had huge swells. how are you doing? are you okay? >> i'm kind of tired and sore but other than that, i'm good. >> and did you have to eat while you were in the water, treading water? what kind of break did you have in this whole thing? >> i couldn't touch the boat or any people but to eat i have a feeding stick and my coach used a lacrosse stick and would put the food in the netting part and hand it to me. >> wow. i understand that you got out of the water and you were able to call your great grandmother
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because you are that young, you have a great grandmother and she was so excited that she had seen you on tv. am i correct that you didn't even know that you had been on tv all this time? >> yeah. >> that's unbelievable. you do know how big of a deal this is, what you've just done? >> it's still sinking in. >> well, you're on cnn. so it's a big deal. by the way, you must have heard the news, right, about diana nyad who did this whack back in '70s. were you upset for her when you heard that it didn't work out? >> yeah. yeah, it's upsetting. i mean, what she's doing, though, that was really crazy. >> remarkable what she had to go through, right? i can't imagine. you probably saw that she was stung by the jellyfish and lightning storms, et cetera? >> yeah, i could never imagine doing that. >> that is one of my next questions. could you imagine doing that? because that's something now that needs to be done, right?
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and clearly you crossed lake ontario. what's next on your agenda, young lady? >> well, i haven't really thought about what is next. i just wanted to get through this one first. >> how is it that you got to be so good at this? what is it about you at your young age that you could, a, decide to do it and, b, carry it out. >> i've been swimming competitively on a swim team since i was 4 years old and i've always liked long distance swimg a swimming and i did a long-distance swim last summer. before we did this swim, we had a tour of the camp that we were doing it for and as we were leaving i told my mom that i wanted to do something more to help so i was going to volunteer there but you have to be 18 before you can. so i was thinking of ways to help and i remember one of the guys that did the 10k with me said that i should swim across
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i want to take you live to tampa, florida. that's where the platform committee hearing for the republican party has been taking place all morning and a critical vote has been taking place in that meeting. the critical vote is all about the human rights amendment and that is, what does it mean to be a human? are you a human at conception? it's critical, especially with what's going on with congressman akin right now and the whole comment about legitimate and illegitimate rape. peter, tell me. >> this is somewhat of an unfortunate timing for the
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republican party as they are trying to appeal to independents and moderates and abortion is thrust into the middle of the presidential debate. and it's thrust into the middle of the gop platform committee just one day two, days after todd akin made his comments. what happened was, the platform committee, which is basically gathering in tampa ahead of the convention, to map out a formal list of positions for the republican party. so they are going through things like national security, taxes, et cetera. abortion came up today and basically what they did -- and this only took a couple minutes, ashleigh, to pass, they ratified what has been in the parties for decades. it's a four paragraph passage but the passage in question that we're talking about says, quote, we support a human life amendment to the constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the 14th amendment protection applies to unborn children. basically, we support a
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constitutional ban on abortion. now, again, that's not necessarily surprising. however, in the wake of todd akin's comments, mitt romney came out and said under mitt romney presidential administration, there would be an exception for rape. so that sort of runs counter to what is in the platform here because it makes no mention. >> rape, incest, and life of the mother, as i recall, which means the candidate -- >> trying to drive a wedge. >> right. it means that he's got to now bring everyone into line. he's got to bring paul ryan's platform which is a little different and now the republican platform as well which is somewhat extensively different than his. peter hamby, thank you for that update. now live to pennsylvania. specifically, carnegie, pennsylvania. paul ryan is flying solo today
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after the tag-team event with his running mate. today he's at beaver steel services company. by the way, i want to let you know when he came out on stage, he was wearing something called a terrible towel. a terrible towel. that's something that you take out when you're rooting for the pittsburgh steelers. so obviously he's got a very friendly crowd to start with. now he's got a friendlier crowd. let's listen. >> that's not enough. we're offering specific solutions designed to get people back to work. 12 million jobs in four years, grow the economy at 4%. 500,000 jobs in pennsylvania alone if we get this country and this economy rolling again. specific solutions. one of those solutions lies right here in pennsylvania. murphy's told me about this a million times. we have energy in this country.
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let's use the energy in this country. coal, oil, gas, fracking, nuclear, renewables, all of the above. stop shipping our jobs overseas, stop sending our money overseas, create jobs here, use our own energy. that creates jobs. if we get a good energy policy, we get people off of the unemployment line and back to jobs working on things like the keystone pipeline. those are the things that help us create jobs. [ applause ] skills. i live in janesville, wisconsin. we had a big general motors plant there and we lost that plant. a lot of guys i grew up with, some buddies of mine from high school lost the job that they thought they were going to have for the rest of their lives, just like their folks did. >> what you're hearing paul ryan
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talk about is a lot the same of what you heard on the stump speech yesterday. it's about the middle class. not only for mitt romney but paul ryan. you're going to hear a lot of it. in the meantime, i have to go to break. i just do. but we're back after this. so... [ gasps ] these are sandra's "homemade" yummy, scrumptious bars. hmm? i just wanted you to eat more fiber. chewy, oatie, gooeyness... and fraudulence. i'm in deep, babe. you certainly are. [ male announcer ] fiber one. exclusive to the military,
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there is a big shift on college campuses across america. for the first time ever hispanics are the largest minority group on u.s. college campuses. and it is not just colleges either. united states is also seeing a spike in the number of latino pre-k and elementary school students. our senior latin affairs editor rafael romo is here. my question would be sort of the simple cause and effect thing. you have higher immigration, you have more students. is that essentially what we're seeing here. >> that's exactly right. you put both factors together. first of all, big immigration wave in the '90s. those immigrants for the most part were very, very young, and they married during the '90s and
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the late '90s and now the children you're seeing in college and high schools and elementary schools are the children of those people. as a matter of fact, most of the growth is of american citizens. they're not immigrants. but you're seeing the reflection of that wave of immigration. >> can you also add fer tilly rates into that? >> the fertility rates for hispanic women are a bit higher than the population as a whole. also the birthrates are quite higher. approaching 100 for every 1,000 births. so it has to do as well. >> so rafael, if this trend continues and if the numbers continue on a broad swing, is there any chance at some point sooner rather than later, perhaps, hispanic students could become the majority, not just the biggest minority? >> i don't necessarily know about the majority, because what's going to happen sometime in the century is the birthrate of latino families is going to stabilize. it's going to not grow as fast and it's probably going to reflect a general population, so
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i don't know if they will become the majority, but what we'll see is they may go to a quarter, maybe a third of the entire population. that's very much a possibility now. >> it's fascinating and it is critical for election campaigning. rafael romo, good to see you. ♪make just one heart to heart you - you sing to♪ ♪one smile that cheers you ♪one face that lights when it nears you.♪ ♪and you will be happy too.
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and you could pay as little as ten dollars a month for androgel 1.62%. what are you waiting for? this is big news. you might remember the name chavis carter, young man in the back of a cruiser handcuffed, apparently shot himself in the head. it's official. police are ruling it a suicide. that's according to the medical examiner. the medical examiner who gets their information from the police. now, it is odd, i mean, we've all tried it. put your hands behind your back and see if you can do the gymnastics. they've shown it can happen. the autopsy report is actually saying the gun was placed against carter's right temple when it fired, a contact wound. carter's family say we're skeptical about this. their attorney spoke to cnn's
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erin burnett last night. >> what we don't know from the medical examiner's report is who fired that gun. was that done? there was no gun residue test we've been aware of. was he tested for gun residue? were the officers on the scene tested for gun residue? and if so, when? >> our "in session's" jean casarez joins us now. you and i know how this works. we have the autopsy. what we don't have is all those other things that forensics experts bring into the courtroom such as -- >> such as many things. i was able to get the autopsy report and this conclusion was based on the autopsy report and also investigative reports. first of all, ashleigh, there were handcuff marks on his hands as per the autopsy report. in other words, there was struggle. he was trying to turn those hands around. that could go either way, right? because if you're in handcuffs, you normally might want to try to adjust yourself. but here's the gunshot on the right side, ashleigh, it's four

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