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>> you can look just like dolvete. not. that man is a speciman. not. i'm carol costello. here is ashleigh banfield. good morning. let's get started with this. a warning. it comes from the feds that anarchists and extremists may have their eyes on the political conventions. a bulletin has been issued by the fbi and department of homeland security. it says that infrastructure is the target. specifically it mentions a group who could be planning to block bridges like the sunshine skyway. bridges around tampa for the republican convention. we have details on this on the unsettling development. fran, this is unusual to have this kind of warning. not a lot of specifics. if i'm one of the 50,000 people
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on the way to tampa, i want to know specifics. >> sure. the fact the warning itself is not specific. that is par for the course. ashleigh, i will tell you state and local police train for the events 365 days a year. we saw these protests in new york and boston around the conventions there. this is -- i'm not surprised to see this sort of warning. these are the sorts of anti-globalization kinds of protests that we're accustomed to. u.s. officials are more adept at handling these during the g-8 summit. you will find the police is well trained for it. >> jill dougherty, i hear ieds
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and i think of afghanistan and iraq. >> i totally agree with fran. this is not unexpected. living here in d.c., you see it when they have anything at the world bank or imf. this notice about the improvised explosive devices is worrisome. they are not talking necessarily about having the groups target people. it is more the infrastructure. as they point out, things like bridges or means of transportation. things like that. that is the worrisome thing. they do also, fbi and dhs, also say that one kind of telltale sign is surveillance by the groups. they are good about checking out locations beforehand. that is one thing they would be watching for in advance. >> fran, is our national security contributor. maybe you could make me feel better about everybody going to the convention on monday.
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what do the feds do to help the locals or have they already done this and we're just getting the information now? how do the feds take what they are giving us now and help locals and authorities in tampa to translate into action to make sure we're all going to be okay? >> both conventions will be deemed what we call it by the department of homeland security a special event. that means there is a flood of federal resources way before the convention starts. there will be an on-scene federal commander that feeds them any specific intelligence. we're not being told about that in the public, but state and locals will be. they will have an increased presence on infrastructure and around. they, themselves, will do counter surveillance looking for anybody trying to plan an incident against infrastructure. you will see a large police uniformed presence. in addition, undercover folks
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doing counter surveillance. they will be linked up sharing information with the state and local officials. it will probably be the safest place to be, frankly, because of the extraordinary amount of resources that get flooded in advance. >> i sure hope so. fran, jill, thank you both. i appreciate it. so, folks at the rnc, my heart goes out to them. they are dealing with the garbage of the threat of violence and the threat of mother nature. tropical storm isaac is barrelling to the dominican republic. look at the red on the map. haiti is on the map and in the crosshairs. all of this possibly before slamming into the florida keys as a cat one hurricane on sunday. this is not the first time florida faced a storm threat, but governor scott said it is
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different this time. 50,000 people either on trains, planes, automobiles, on their way to tampa for the republican national convention. >> isaac's unique storm in this regard. it has the potential to threaten a major convention designated a special national security event. >> chad meyers. we talked yesterday and it looked like there was a big window. is the window getting smaller? is it getting more at risk for the folks plans this convention? >> this is a pre-planned cone. they plan how this cone is here and here and here. the closer the storm gets to you, the smaller your cone is. so we are getting closer and this is the latest trek. this is the very latest. this is the 11:00 advisory from the hurricane center. they have shifted the storm about 100 miles to the center of the line. 100 miles west of tampa.
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the models are in consensus in the gulf of mexico. that does not bode well for the people on the gulf coast if it does miss florida. you have to understand this is still a possibility. there are still models over here. this is still a possibility. there are still models over here. let me show them to you. there is the storm here. it is impressive. it is more purple than yesterday. the tops of the storms are much higher. colder and more intense. >> why is that a problem? >> because that shows this thing will eventually intensify. it is at 40 miles per hour. i drive faster than that. no big deal. when that thing starts to get red and orange and purple over the top of the center of circulation, that is when you begin to get an eye. that is how it can form quickly. there are the models. many over haiti. >> the narrow cone almost skipped the bottom part of the dominican republic and almost hit haiti. >> that is what we are worried about next. showers and squalls in puerto
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rico. that's okay. you are talking about 400,000 people living in tents. >> they cannot stand a rain storm. >> if you can imagine people in the way of 40-mile-an-hour winds. >> notwithstanding what is coming, quickly, clearly, 50,000 people about to fly or take a train or drive to tampa. if it is a hurricane, are they safe inside that center? will they be able to get out of there? what are the real implications for the convention? >> great question. i have a map. here is tampa. have you gone to tampa on a cruise ship? >> i have been to tampa in a row boat. but thank you. >> i hope it wasn't -- that is where the cruise ship terminal is. here is downtown. everything here in red will flood in a category one hurricane. that is what we are talking about now. a category one hurricane. here's the air force base.
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we are not talking about areas north in pinellas county and hillsborough. you start putting people in the convention center zone and they have to get out. >> if it happens. if it doesn't happen and i'll push it out here. if it is in the outer bands, they are safe and we will not have the flooding. >> we are talking pensacola. >> transportation could be a bummer. i knew you would have the answers. chad, thank you. keep us updated. we want to keep you posted as tropical storm isaac makes its path. cnn.com is always the place to go. back in a minute. [ male announcer ] more power. more style. more technology. less doors.
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book without a security review? >> that is a good question. there will be a problem if there is undisclosed classified information in the book. that is why the leaders want to read it. most of the team members, we're told, that were there that night are still serving in the s.e.a.l. community in very much secret positions. so there is a lot of concern that this could disclose information and that it could inadvertently disclose identities. you see the cover of the book there, "no easy day." that is the watch word for the special operations community. they have been through a ton of publicity about the raid. mark owen is the pen name. i have to tell you, inside the s.e.a.l. community, they know exactly who this guy is. >> i would think without
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question. i have a two-parter here. number one, if it is -- anywhere a couple of weeks from publishing, does that mean the pentagon will not get a copy before it goes out and if they get a copy and they don't like what is in it, can they do anything about it? >> we have talked to a number of very senior military officials and they believe they will get their hands on a copy of this book within hours, if not the next 24-to-48 hours so they can have a look at it. what can they do? you know, that becomes a legal question. i don't think they can stop publication of the book per se. but the s.e.a.l. who wrote it could be subject to disciplinary action although he is out of the military. it was a classified mission. once you are on a classified mission, it is classified forever. you don't get to decide you want to disclose some of the information. the word is they say the s.e.a.l. and the writer he
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worked with tried very hard not to disclose anything, but top-level commanders want to see it with their own eyes. >> that was my point. once a s.e.a.l., always a s.e.a.l. when it comes to the code. thank you, barbara. you probably heard about the complaints about the hunt for osama bin laden. well, aside from the complaint of leaking information, the movie is from the same folks who brought us "the hurt locker." that movie is coming out in december. re h, it took a mighty machine, and plain old ingenuity to go where no fifth grader had gone before. ♪ and she flew and she flew, into the sky and beyond. my name is annie and i'm the girl who dreamed she could fly. powered by intel core processors. ♪
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when is a rape not a rape? think about it. you have been watching the news this week. it has become pretty darn clear, rape is rape. you can't sugarcoat it. even the gop vice presidential candidate has come out stating rape is rape. period. not splitting hairs. however, that is not exactly paul ryan's stance just a year ago. in fact, it's not what he has stood behind three different times over the last three years. back in 2010 and 2011, congress
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member paul ryan cosponsored a bill called the "no taxpayer funding for abortion act." it barred any federal funding for abortions except in specific cases. different kinds of rape. like forceable rape as opposed to statutory rape. the term forceable rape was dropped from the bill. it doesn't include victims of rape who have been drugged. the bill passed the house, but did not get through the senate. guess who the cosponsor of paul ryan's bill was? i'll give you three seconds. it was congress member todd a n akin. the man behind the legitimate rape debate. the gaffe heard around the world. now mitt romney and paul ryan are trying to distance themselves from. that distance would not have been more cavernous. the press talked to him on what
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you meant, mr. congress member, when you and mr. akin were talking about in that bill. >> you have the language forceable rape. what is forceable rape? >> rape is rape. period. >> that language meant nothing to you at the time? >> rape is rape. there's no splitting hairs over rape. >> and there you have it. no splitting hairs over rape. in 2009, congress member ryan supported quote, limitations on abortion mandates, end quote. a mandate that included forceable rape. joining me is lee cowan. he is the person i call when i need to get off the edge. this has been driving me crazy. define for me legally, sir, forceable rape.
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if there is such a thing. >> ashleigh, akin probably agreed with obama when obama opposed gay marriage in 2008. just because ryan is consistent with akin's positions makes them two peas in a pod. it may or may not. on the issue of rape, it is a real nuance question. up until the 1970s, a woman basically had to prove that she was maimed practically during the course of a sexual encounter. she needed corroboration of the account of rape. they are different from state to state as to what constitutes a rape. the one thing that is different is if a woman does not consent to the sexual encounter, if she is not married, it is probably -- if she is married by the way, if she does not consent, it is rape. >> i just think force can be so
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many different things. it can be a roofie or threats that are verbal. my question is is forceable rape or the notion of it the difference of assault and aggravated assault? >> the law basically has eliminated that difference with respect to rape. the law says any kind of force that overcomes a woman's resistance to having sex is rape. the only way that we consider force really in the criminal law is at the time of sentencing. you had mentioned earlier statutory rape which is another very interesting thing. >> a 13-year-old who has so-called consensual sex in her mind or his mind, with like, a 20-year-old? >> okay or how about a 40-year-old or 50-year-old? people say clearly that is rape. that should be punished heavily and maybe she should have the
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right to have an abortion if you believe abortion should be readily available. let me give you a harder question. california, i think the age of consent is 18. let's say a young man is maybe 20 or 21 years old and has sex with a woman who is one day from her 18th birthday. is that rape? >> just to be clear -- >> in california, it might be. >> -- it is a yes or no question. the 13-year-old who has the sex with the 19-year-old and that is statutory rape. under the forceable rape clause means you don't qualify for the rape or incest or health? >> you are correct. that would not qualify under that definition. >> i'm back up on the ledge. paul, don't go anywhere. later on in the hour, i want to get you on that detail that has come out about the death of travis carter. we need to talk some forensics through on it. can you stick around? >> excellent. i look forward to it.
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if you are leaving the house right now, don't worry. you can watch us from your mobile phone and watch cnn from your desk top. go to cnn.com/tv. all of the instructions there are for you. front page of "the times" today. a huge revelation of something we have been talking about for the last decade. the cause of autism. the revelation is tossing up a long-standing assumption out the window. the study says it is not the age of the mom. it's the age of the dad that contributes to an increased risk of autism. you probably already have heard the rates have skyrocketed. increased 78% in the last five years alone. scientists say guess what? this may be the explanation. our elizabeth cohen joining us
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live. first of all, holy cow? >> this may be the explanation for the increase. we have more kids with autism and more dads fathering children after the age of 40. what the researchers have done in iceland is elegant how they addressed the problem. >> why? >> they looked at the genes. they did not look at the people. they looked at their genes. they took 78 families and looked at the mom's genes and dad's genes and child's genes. some of the children had schizophrenia and some autism and some didn't. men produce thousands of sperm a minute. the question is are you likely to have more mutations associated with autism as sperm gets older. >> this is 2012. why have we not been looking at that or known we are moving toward that? >> science does not move quickly. this is astounding. look at the numbers. they looked at the dads and
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found at age 20, the children of the dads, if the dad was 20, the child had 25 random mutations linked to autism. at age 40, they had 65 mutations that could be linked to autism. that is a huge difference. one of the authors said, maybe men ought to start banking their sperm. >> is it the same as banking your eggs? >> it is much easier to do sperm. we have been freezing sperm longer than freezing eggs. one said think about it. guys, freeze your sperm when you are 20 and you can use it when you're 40. it is an interesting idea. >> i have to wrap it up. this is not a message to men over 40 out there. you shouldn't have children and conversely, women, you're in the clear. 50. go for it. >> we show it is more of a male issue than female issue. you are a man around 40, you have a 2% chance of having a
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child with autism or schizophren schizophrenia. nobody is saying stop at 40. it is interesting, maybe you should figure this into your family planning. just as you figure age. >> honey, you're in the conversation now. it ain't just me. >> it used to be 100% mom. no one ever thought about dad. >> i had my baby at 38. i was terrified. elizabeth, thank you so much. i appreciate that. for more information on this for help with children with autism, cnn.com/empoweredpatient. it's great. great shot. how did the nba become the hottest league on the planet? by building on the cisco intelligent network they're able to serve up live video, and instant replays, creating fans from berlin to beijing. what can we help you build? nice shot kid. the nba around the world built by the only company that could. cisco.
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mitt romney says he can free the united states from dependence on foreign energy in eight years. he will tell us how he will do it at a campaign stop in the next hour in new mexico. wolf blitzer is joining me now live. wolf, i love the stump speeches of the campaign. i try to follow everyone.
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not quite. this seems to be different from the middle class speech we have from the governor. >> he is laying out the speech about getting energy independent. he wants to make it easier off the coast of virginia or florida. there is a lot of resistance in florida. as you know, as a result of the tourism that could be affected. everybody remembers what happens with the bp oil spill in the gulf of mexico. he would like the u.s. to be weaned off foreign oil by 2020. that is in eight years. he wants to give the states a lot more control of how to deal with drilling on federal lands. he wants to deregulate, if you will, remove the deregulatory process and deal with the co2 emissions. deal with it differently than the obama administration. the biggest criticism i have
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heard of what mitt romney's energy policies have in place is from boone pickens. he thinks natural gas is the way to go down the road. he says that there is a total silence for all practical purposes in the romney plan as far as developing natural gas, especially for big trucks and cars. he thinks that say deficiency. this is a good, important debate. there are serious differences with romney and obama on the issue. i'm thrilled they will debate something important like this. >> we should also note the congressional budget office said 70% of the oil and gas reserves are already open. maybe the claim of $1 trillion boost in revenues is a little bit over the edge. let's wait for the governor to talk about it and we can look into it tomorrow, perhaps. i want to say there is a new commercial out. at least one news cycle which is an eternity since we heard from bill clinton. he is back in the democratic ad today.
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let's have a look at it. >> this election, to me, is about which candidate is more likely to return us to full employment. this is a clear choice. the republican plan is to cut more taxes on upper income people and go back to deregulation. that got us in trouble in the first place. president obama has a plan to rebuild america from the ground up. >> wolf, the republicans have harnessed him a week ago suggesting his welfare policies meant work and the president has moved away from that. is this the president with great ammo? bill clinton is election gold. >> he is. he will do a lot to energize that democratic base. he is still loved by huge chunks by the democrats out there and the independents, if you will. not by so many republicans. he will help the president. he will speak, as you know, at charlotte at the democratic national convention. he will do an exciting job
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energizes the convention hall. he is a great asset for the president in the final two plus months to go before the november 6th election. i'm sure he will be out there pretty aggressive and working pretty hard on behalf of the president of the united states. i know the obama campaign is grateful to the former president for doing it. that new ad is very strong. >> he will have some big shoes to fill at the convention. wolf, we urge our viewers to tune in to your show. you have live stuff to talk about. "the situation room" every day at 4:00? every day until they take me off the air. >> you'll never go. in a box. all right. when it comes to campaign iss issues, there is the economy and everything else. everything else is education. our tom foreman checks the
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facts. >> reporter: class size and what it means to how kids learn has been a long and hotly contested issue. president obama and many educators clearly believe smaller classes with fewer students per teacher are the way to go. so his latest ad tries to school mitt romney on that subject. >> some of our children's greatest experience have been in the smaller classrooms. >> but mitt romney says class sizes don't matter. he supports paul ryan's budget which could cut education by 20%. >> reporter: but let's dig into the lesson plan. did romney really say class sizes don't matter? no. >> if you had a class of five, that would be terrific. if you had a class of 50, that would be impossible. >> reporter: romney cited an international study that sometimes schools with small classes fail. sometimes schools with big classes succeed. he says class size should not be given excessive weight when we consider how to make schools
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better. certainly the president's education advisors would not agree or would they? in a 2010 speech to the american enterprise insuran enterprise institute, arne duncan said it matters up to third grade. >> districts may be able to save money with targeted increases in class size. teachers in asia sometimes request larger class sizes. they think the skill levels can help accelerate student learning. >> reporter: as for the plan to cut education funding, while education may suffer under a ryan budget, how much and where is not clear. the grade for the ad? i'm tempts to give it an "f" for false, but we'll go with "m" for misleading. tom foreman, cnn, washington.
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everybody else. but now? bad dogs are going viral and the only person who can tell you the story best is our jeanne moos. >> reporter: humans aren't so appealing. when they get shamed for bad behavior, but when a dog confesses, i hid meat in the couch. there is no hiding the cute factor. here at the blog dogshaming, dog sins blaming from sex. i hump every stuffed toy i find to gluttony are celebrated. i eat trash. i ate baby poop. owners hide their pets behind shaming signs with evidence in the photo. sometimes they send a tag team of transgress ors. and ate baby poop.
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sure, some say, aw, poor dogs and complain of dogsploitation. >> you take it with a grain of salt. look at that little thing. >> reporter: dog owners and dog walkers in central park had their share of shame worthy stories. take kona. he has a habit of jumping in dirty fountains. she had to drag kona out. barking is a topic. i bark at door bells on tv. we've never had a door bell. i have beautiful eyes and i bark at any stranger who looks into them. ruff. one of the most common misbehaviors is eating underwear. i am an underwear eating jerk with the boxer briefs to prove it. it is not eating, but drinking that gets daphne into trouble.
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>> she lifts the seat and they start drinking from the toilet bowl. >> reporter: as with humans, sex leaves many to stray. i humped a blind cocker spani spaniel's face. some dogs are scared of thunder. >> he is scared of his own [ bleep ]. he leaps up and searches around. >> reporter: actually romeo is a two-sign dog. he doesn't just like to watch his owner in the bedroom. >> he was licking my feet hanging off the bed as i was -- >> reporter: who's giving who a tongue-lashing? jeanne moos, cnn, new york. ♪ ♪ ♪ with a subaru
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it has been a year and a half give or take since the name jerry sandusky became burned into our national consciousness. what a year and a half has been. he has been charged and tried and convicted of child rape.
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many of them. two top university officials are awaiting trial for allegedly hiding sandusky's crimes. head coach joe paterno has passed away soon after being fired amid the scandal. the school, itself, has been pummeled with athletic sanctions and now there's this. the penn state's ousted president is fighting to redeem his reputation. graham spanier is opening rejecting all of the findings from the so-called freeh report. former fbi freeh. that report wag commissioned by penn state. that report says, in fact, four of the most powerful people at the pennsylvania state university failed to protect against a child sexual predator harming children for over a decade. ex-president spanier sat for an interview with "the new yorker"
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magazine. >> the freeh report is wrong, it's unfair, it's deeply flawed. it is as many errors and omissions. i know they had a lot of very good people on that team working on this. they interviewed 400 people. many have spoken to me about their interviews. many of them describe the interviews to me as a witch hunt. >> the interview was conducted by cnn's jefferey toobin. lord, god, tell me this man is not free from the threat of prosecution. i'm glad he is speaking to you and you and i can talk about it, but why for his sake is he talking at all? >> i think he is pissed off. it is as simple as that. he feels like his reputation has been destroyed. i think he is right about that. i think he feels like it is unjust. he has a case to make. i'm not sure if i'm persuaded.
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i'm not sure if anyone should be persuaded. it is not as if his guilt, culpability is a clear thing. >> some people call a lot of speculation, but this is what we do know this the freeh report, there is a highlight, a spotlight on this president's agreement not to report sandusky to police over what mr. spanier considered horse play in that locker room in 2001 and we know it was not horse play, but rape pure and simple and a conviction on it. but here is the problem for spanner y, there is an e-mail that he sent to then athletic director gary schultz, and he says to the e-mail and the only downside for us, and again, this is about not reporting it if the message is not heard and acted upon and we are vulnerable for not having reported it, but it can be assessed down the road. the approach you outline is
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humane and a reasonable way to proceed. i should remind our viewer s that the way to proceed was not to go to child protective services, but the go the jerry and the charity and tell them to, hey, buck up. but here is my problem, jeff, when you did the interview with mr. spanier, he said something to you about my antenna was not raised about anything. i want people to hear how he said it. >> i think that what people, and many people wanted to read into it, it was humane for us not to turn him in for being a known child predator, but i never ever heard anything about child abuse or sexual abuse or my and ttenn raised up enough to even suspect that. >> jeff, can i remind you that he said that the only downside for us, and there is a downside, and a downside is an antenna, and i don't get this. >> well, look, that e-mail as you point out is the main piece
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of evidence against spanier, but again, just to repeat what his version is, 2001, jerry sandusky was no longer an employee of penn state, and he had access to the gym. to the ath lletic facilities, b he did not work for penn state anymore, but according to spanier, all he heard was that there was horseplay involved and there is corroborating evidence of that, that mike mcqueary who saw that horrible apparent rape take place, that message did not get all of the way up the chain to spanier. so his point is, look, all i heard was horseplay. and horseplay is not illegal and we went to the second mile, and we said cut this out, and we don't want him in the showerers anymore and we don't want him in the facilities, and that was not something that we could go to child protective services about. believe it or not, that is his story. >> and sure, this is from a
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sociology professor before he was an administrative specializing in child abuse. >> and he, himself, an abuse victim, himself. >> and the downside he is going to assess down the road, and i don't have to time to go down this with you, but civil exposure, and enough said. >> enormous, enormous, and that has not started yet. >> heck, what a can of worms. jeffrey toobin and good stuff and great interview. by the way, people, if you are keeping track, jerry sandusky is awaiting sentencing and the minimum exposure is a minimum of 60 years in prison. . honestly. our sales have increased by 20%. what is this mystical device i see before me? it's an ultrabook. he signed the purchase order. vo: with an ultrabook, everything else seems old fashioned. introducing the ultra sleek,
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time, and in a ruling the department of corrections said this, despite your positive efforts while incarcerated your release at this time would undermine respect for the law and tend to trivialize the tragic loss of life which you caused a as result of the heinous and unprovoked an violent and keevi violent and cold and calculated crime. he will be up for parole in two years. and now over to the chavis carter case. in a release from the jonesboro, arkansas, police department, they describe the blood spatter and the phone calls he made in the back of the police car and as well as how carter got the gun, but what is striking is what the police didn't do and whether that is going to prevent us from knowing what truly happened. paul callan is our legal contributor and that is where i want to start. he did not check his hands for
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gunshot residue, and the police bagged the hands which is standard protocol, but the m.e. did not test for gsr or test the police officer's hands either and oh, paul, why? >> well, it is shocking they didn't, but they claim that there is a policy in place at the department, and they are issuing a memo which is going to explain the policy in great detail, but obviously, whether he had powder burns or gsr as it is known in the trade on his hand, it is really, really important. i mean, did he fire the gun or did police officers fire the gun? this is the test that everybody was waiting for and apparently never conducted, so it is a shocking admission. >> yuck, we don't have it. but we have blood spatter and we know from dr. henry lee and everybody else before him, it was critical and phil specter piece of evidence and blood spatter on the hand of the deceased and blood spatter on the passenger side of the door of the car.
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does it help? it helps the police considerably, because the blood spatter pattern would be consistent with a self-inflicted wound. and they are saying that he fired the gun from the right hand and in an attempt to kill himself. and blood spatter would support that, and i dont n't know if we have time to get there, but the big thing of course is the powder burns on the temple. and a gun has to be within 18 inches of a person's head in order for that to be present, and i think that there are powder burns indicated in the temple area, and that would support the claim of a self-inflicted wound as well as the angle of entry of the bullet. so there is a lot here to support the police claim that this is some kind of a bizarre suicide. and -- >> you know, we just scratched the surface, sew with hao we ha more the talk about this case, a and we will do that. thank you paul callan in new york.

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