that's it for us, thanks for watching "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. outfront next, we have new video showing the moment libyans found the body of chris stevens inside the american consulate. as mitt romney tries to push out a new message, a joke about being latino. there was an apparent deal to end the chicago teacher's strike. why are some union members refusing to go along with it? we have a union member live tonight. let's go outfront. good evening, everyone. we have eye wed yo from the last minutes of chris stevens life. arwa is live for us in benghazi.

i know we've had a chance to view this video. tell us about the ambassador's last moments and what we're going to see in this video. >> reporter: well, what this video shows, erin is a group of men in a fairly chaotic scene crawling out of a window that they had just broken into, trying to reach this part of the compound. the doors, the windows all had bars on them. you hear a voice shouting they found a dead body. in the midst of this chaos, you hear someone screaming, he's alive he's alive. and they start chanting, god is great. at this point in time, according to the young man who filmed this, nobody realized this was the ambassador. they knew it was a foreigner, they suspected, perhaps, it was

an american, it didn't cross anyone's mind that it was, in fact, the ambassador himself. he says they believe he was still alive, because there was a pulse. a very weak one, and his eyes were moving. in the ten minutes that it took for them to be able to transport him to the hospital, it appears that he died because the doctor at the hospital said that when the body arrived there, he received a code blue, patient arrested, resuscitation needed. he says he tried to for 45 minutes, but it was tragically too late, erin. >> we're able to hear -- we played it for you so you could see it, now we can hear some of the audio of what appears to be confusion, but all of the men talking. can you give us a bit more of a sense? you say it's literally euphoria. the people that were here at the moment were happy they found this person alive, right? you also spoke to the man who filmed the video, and that was his point of view too, right?

>> most certainly. you hear it when they're chanting, he's alive. you hear them praising god that this life had been spared, or so they thought initially, when people realized it was in fact the ambassador that he had in fact later on passed away, the vast majority of libyans were incredibly horrified. they've been repeatedly expressing their anguish, their sorrow to us, because none of them wanted to see libya down this course, none of them wanted to see a man who they say sacrificed so much for their own country who truly loved the libyans, have to suffer in this way. and those people who you see in that video, those as far as we're being told are not the same individuals who launched the attack or at least the majority of them are not the

same individuals who launched the attack. they're people who went through, who were curious by standers. yes, there were some looters among them. they're not responsible for the assault itself. >> you've done more work on this, you said the consulate was warned, three days before the attack about a lack of security. were there other warnings -- warning signs, warnings given to american officials at that time? >> look, erin, it's important to note that over the past few months there have been an increase in attacks against western interests in benghazi. the convoy of the british ambassador was attacked, the convoy at the head of the u.n. mission as well. and the icrc compound had a complex attack launched against it. officials are telling us that for months they have been warning the americans about this growing security threat, about

the growing presence and power of these extremist militia groups. specifically in benghazi, there was a meeting shortly before the compound was attacked that was meant to be about business economics. the libyan officials told the americans who were senior officials from the consulate itself, now is not the time to be talking about expanding business, about increasing a western presence in benghazi, because we're not capable of containing this threat by these extremist militias. the ambassador himself was aware of the general overall deterioration in the security situation. >> thank you very much. arwa has been doing all this reporting tirelessly from the ground. mike rodgers is the chairman of the house intelligence committee. he's been following developments in libya, been briefed and he's out front tonight. you just heard our report. she had more details tonight, but there had been warnings of a deteriorating security

situation. perhaps not of a specific attack, but there had been other attacks and there had been warnings. how can this happen, in a country that the libyan government says it was unable to defend the u.s. consulate. how could it happen that our consulate was unguarded to the degree it was september 11th in a country like that? >> well, first of all, we had gotten threat streams over time, many months. al qaeda in northern africa was seeking to attack western targets, we know at that very site there was an i.e.d. -- we know all those things happened prior to. it was a bit expedition airy. we were asking this ambassador to go to dangerous places and try to forge ahead a u.s. establishment there. we have to be careful. we asked them to do dangerous things knowing it was expedition airy. we're trying to make sure we didn't miss anything. we're going to ask these people. we do it all over the world, to

do really dangerous things. we don't want to take unnecessary risks. but we clearly ask them to take what we argue is necessary risks. were they just ignoring all of the signs around them that caused this to happen? and candidly, erin, we just don't know for sure and for certain right today. >> senator feinstein, bob menendez have both been on the show, and both have been direct in answering the question. what's your reaction to that, though? i mean, it does seem -- arwa had reported she's been into the consulate, there wasn't even a safe room that had food or communications equipment in there, never mind in a country that isn't really governed by rule of law. >> well, i don't know how you argue we weren't caught flat footed. they stormed our consulate and killed our ambassador and three other employees. that is being caught flat

footed. what we have to ask is, tell me all the circumstances surrounding that. did we know about it and dismissed it? was this one of those things where we did get caught flat footed and an ambassador 35paid with his life and those employees paid with their lives as a consequence of being there. >> susan rice said this was not preplanned. i wanted to play that for you and get your reaction. here she is. >> the best information we have today is that in fact this was not a preplanned, premeditated attack. >> the chairman of the house intelligence committee, do you believe her? >> i'm not sure i believe her or not. i disagree with her clearly. all the information i see from the department of defense, our intelligence agencies, they're recommending a moderate degree of confidence which is not solid, that they think it was a spontaneous event. but there is lots of other information, some classified,

some public, some open source. when you put it all together, when i look at the information. i mean, it had indirect fire, artillery type fire from mortars, they had indirect action, it was coordinated in a way that was unusual. they repulsed a quick reaction force that came to the facility, and then you look at orbits of information we had, including some that your reporter reported on, they were getting information that these extremists, some coming from other countries were coming around, and they were having a difficult time. that all doesn't make sense to me, that looks like it was a planned and coordinated event. none of us know for sure to be fair, but to say for sure and for certain that this was a spontaneous event i -- >> you don't see it? >> no. >> you mentioned them coming from other countries. that's something the libyan government has said. we've been talking about the rise of al qaeda in north africa.

that's really the entire of north africa. we went to mali in july to report on militants that have taken over the northern part of the country. from your point of view, do you think we should regret what we did in libya? the intervention that's caused so many weapons to go missing, to go all around north africa, al qaeda, to rise in such a broad region? >> the one mistake we made. those of us were voices of this from very early on, was not securing the weapons systems that were there. we knew they had anti-aircraft weapons, they had a whole catch spread across the country. dictators aren't worried about external threats, they're worried about internal threats. once it happened and there was a period of chaos, this became an arms bizarre. it's not unusual to understand you had al qaeda, you had other groups, aquim, which is

affiliated with al qaeda. you have generations of contraband and weapons sales and all of those things coming in saying, we're going to get ourselves some weapons. and i have argued privately and publicly, that mali was the first victim of the libyan revolution in the sense that those weapons ended up in the hands of people who tried to overthrow the government of mali. yes, that was clearly a mistake, now we're going to have to rectify it, and we're going to have to be more engaged, not less engaged, to try to make sure we put a cap on this thing, so that doesn't spread across the rest of northern africa, europe and the middle east. we have details about the person who made the anti-islamic film. tonight he's no longer in his home, where is he. and mitt romney caught on tape making a joke about being a

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our second story "outfront" caught on tape. now, this is a day when mitt romney was trying to retool his image, but then a video came out. mitt romney at a fupd raiser this year. the video was obtained by the left blog mother jones. >> my heritage, my dad, you probably know, was the governor of michigan and was the head of a car company, but he was born in mexico. and had he been born of mexican parents, i'd have a better shot of winning this, but he was --

living in mexico. and he lived in it for a number and he lived there for a number of years. i say that jokingly, but it would be helpful. >> "outfront" tonight, roland martin and john avalon. well, roland, you seem really happy. >> well, no, first of all, i think what this says is this is the m.o. of the republican party when you talk about what romney, he's not going to bother with him. all they want is a bunch of government assistants. >> i'm going to play that one in a second, but let's stick with this one about the latino joke how bad is this for him? is this going to come off as a racist kind of a joke? >> a poll came out today showing he is 53 points down to president obama among latinos. all i'm saying is it's not going to get you a higher amount of

latino votes. and so he might think it's cute, but it doesn't play well. and the more damning comment is what he said later. >> i'm going to play that right now and let's go to you after that. here is another clip of mitt romney at the same fund-raiser. here he is. >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. there are 47% who are with him, who believe in big government, who believe they are victims, who believe the government has the responsible to care for them, who believe they are entitled to health care, food, housing, you name it. >> ryan, that has got to be something his campaign is pretty upset, whatever will come back. in fact, it's pretty surprising he would have said something like that. >> i think that part of it that resonates with a lot of conservatives is the part about taxes. about 47% of folks aren't paying federal income taxes. about a quarter of them don't pay because we don't tax social security benefits. that's pretty popular and there's another chunk that doesn't pay because it's people's low to moderate incomes

with children, which was created by children, a program championed by reagan and other republicans and a variety of other measures designed to give parents of young kids a boost, so i think this was a bad call on his part. what he was trying to do was appeal to folks in that room by demonstrating, hey, i'm one of you guys. item a staunch conservative and i think this is something where he's really going to have to demonstrate he's somehow going to have to spend the next 50 days convincing middle income and working class folks that he has plans that are going to benefit them. i don't think this is necessarily fatal, but it's a bad sign and he's going to have to work to regain the trust and the big problem romney has is that he's oftentimes very opaque. he seems to be catering to a particular audience rather than saying things he believes. that way, a lot of folks who

criticize him can project anything they want. on to him. and that's a huge problem. >> john avlon, what about the fact of what he said, that 47% of the people won't vote for him anyway? >> he's setting up this narrative that there's this obama entitlement army and there are two americans. people who are never going to vote for us any way and there's this we feefl compassion and we know we're with the other guy. when you telegraph that's the vision of america you've got and you already come across as ouch touch and as a member of the super rich, this is not the reset the romney campaign wanted. >> aaron, also stands out, when it says, they think they are victims. when you look at the fact that over half of the folks, they're elderly. also, some of the people who don't pay, they're students. when you make that kind of

comment, you're denigrating fellow americans. what about the woman who told michelle obama she had four kids in the military, she supported the president. is she a victim, a moocher? the problem mitt romney here is you're basically saying to the rest of you, you're utterly irrelevant, i don't care about you. i won't focus on you. >> of course, people who don't pay federal income tax do pay sales taxes and all kinds of other things. they contribute in other ways. it would seem unfair to characterize them in this way. thanks to all three of you. ahead, new detail about the person behind the anti-islamic film at the center of the protests in the middle east. plus, the panda. there's something special about the panda. now, that's what i call a test drive.

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is, i mean, doesn't get any cuter than this. the size of a stick of butter. in keeping with chinese tra dig, the new cub will not be named for 100 days despite the fact the cub was made in the u.s.a., it must be returned to china in four years. which brings us to tonight's number, one billion. according to the white house, that's the dollar amount china has illegally subsidized its auto industry. between the years 2009 and 2011, china provided export subsiies to chinese carmakers that are a violation. this comes on the heels of another filing from the u.s. that implied that china imposed $3 billion. it really starts to add up. china says unlike its pandas, the issue isn't so black and white and today, the chinese filed their own action against the u.s. saying a new u.s. trade

bill would be deeply unfair. and by the way, what's up to with "time" magazine naming pandas as the most evil animals of all time. strange. turns out they're very, very scary. >> ahead, where's the controversial filmmaker responsible for the anti-islamic film sparking outrage? plus, we're going to take you to egypt and speak to a blogger and activist who is that the new government now is more oppressive than hosni mubarak's regime. how did i get here?

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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about where we focus on our own reporting from the front lines and for the first time now, we are hearing from the police officer who was shot 15 times during the mass shooting at a wisconsin sikh temple. brian murphy was the first officer on the scene of the shooting. moments after he exited his car, he encountered the gunman and was shot in the parking lot. he spent weeks in the hospital and just yesterday, made his first public appearance for the victims of the shooting, of which seven lost their lives, including the gunman. now, murphy was shot in the throat, but he thanked the public. >> i just wanted to let everyone

know how appreciative i am. my family is for your kindness and prayers and support. it means so much to us. >> very moving. yesterday was also his birthday. now, an update on a story we followed closely. the drilling for oil off the coast of alaska. we have learned that shell has suffered a setback. the company says its oil containment barge was damaged while conducting trials. that means shell will be forced to wait until next year to begin drilling for oil deposits in the arctic. workers will still be prepping holes so they are ready. but that is a significant delay. general motors is reportedly pushing the government to sell its stake in the american car company. as you know, we have broken down these numbers before. if we were to sell now, it would be a big loss for american taxpayers. right now, the government still owns about 30% of general motors and if they sold it today, it would lose $15 billion. analysts have told "outfront" that gm's stock price needs to

reach between $52 and $60 a share to break even. tonight's gm stock sits stuck at $23.80. it's been 410 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? and now, our third story. we have new details about man behind the anti-islamic film which has been blamed for protests around the world. "outfront" tonight, miguel marquez, who has been following the story from the beginning. miguel, i know that the filmmaker was picked up this weekend by authorities. do you know where he is now? >> we do not. he wasn't arrested or detained, in anyway, but he was picked up at the behest of l.a. county sheriff's deputies. he was taken to a location to talk to probation officers and was not returned to his home and then early this morning, his family moved out as well, erin. >> and do you know where his family went? did they have explicit threats on their lives? >> well, look, there's a lot of media camped out in front of

their house. the kids can't get to school. they can't leave the house. they've been under the watchful eye of the media since this thing broke out. so the l.a. county sheriff's deputies picked up the family as well very early in the morning, took them to the sheriff's office, they reunited the family and drove them off to an undisclosed location. he is not being surveilled or under any custody. >> and obviously, trying to hide his physical identity in this video. >> absolutely. this is a guy who does not want to be known. clearly, this film has garnered a lot of heat and a lot of frustration and anger around the world. but this is also a guy that comes with a very checkered past. it is not clear what his motivations are exactly for keeping his face out of or trying to keep his face out of the public eye.

>> miguel, i want to ask you something, i know you've had a chance -- you were one of the first to speak with the female actors on the film. you've spoken to other actors and they've all tried to say they didn't know it's content in any way. they were use ago different name for muhammad than was used in the trailer, but when you watch it, you've got to wonder, is that possible? what was your take having spoken to them? >> i can only tell you what they've said and it does appear that the information given to most of these actors was very compartmentalized. this is a man who knew exactly what he was going to produce and he was going to get it done no matter how he caried it out. the actors said they were given very few pages of dialogue, it was given to them maybe the night before. they read it and it was only after they went to a sound studio somewhere, dubbed some of the more inflammatory words and phrases and they were done out of context. and then those were then put into the film.

it is truly not clear whether or not a full film in any form has been finished. one did preview here in the hollywood area just a couple of blocks from here, but it's not clear if that was an actual film, if it was the 15-minute trailer. only a few people showed up. it certainly didn't attract a lot of attention. >> very disjointed to even view it. thanks very much. how egypt handled the attacks on the american embassy has emerged as a major point of contention between the two countries. egypt, one of the biggest recipients of foreign aid in the world and has made national security one of the hot button issues in the election of 2012. attention is on the muslim brotherhood, which already raised eyebrows this spring with this chant at a campaign rally. ♪ >> we have played that before on

this show. we found that on youtube. that was a cleric leading a rally in cairo. that cleric has been named to the new human rights commission under president mohammed morsi. earlier, i spoke to mohammed salem and i asked him if that video and the promotion to the human rights commission was shocking to him at all. >> no, we're dealing with slightly, i don't want to say extremists because i think you know, extremists have some sense of their actions. i think we're dealing with people who have dropped the ball. >> was hosni mubarak better when it comes to certain things like women's rights or progress than mohammed morsi? >> i think what we're dealing with is a different frame of reference. i think hosni mubarak didn't care for women's rights or human rights for that matter. but he had to maintain some sort of front about it.

you know, because his words don't matter, he did not execute them. you know, i think what we're having now is a more clear oppressive regime. you know, one that basically doesn't care about keeping pretenses with the world. >> when you say more oppressive, sounds like you're saying that current government is more oppressive than what was a 30-year dictator ship. >> let me give you an example. just two days ago, just a few days ago, actually, this young christian guy got arrested at his house. apparently, he posted the video, the trailer of the offensive muslim video on his facebook page and that has prompted a mob attack on his house and the police to arrest him and beat him up and charge him with disdain for religion. which means he's going to end up spending two years in jail. first of all, it's amazing that in our country, our government, that basically was brought on by

a revolution that started through a facebook page, the shared content was offensive and actually jail the people running it, at least not for long, you know. it's now having government that is going the same thing, except this time, they're jailing them and they want to put them for two years. they are fantasies about control and the way we're supposed to act that don't correspond with reality or the world or anything. and it's going to be their end. hosni mubarak did not reach that level of insanity until 30 years of his rule. the businessman and his click and government corruption, the way morsi has been doing for the past two months. >> president obama said last weekend in an interview that egypt is not an alley, but not an enemy. obviously, there is a legal definition to ally in terms of treaties, but egypt gets a lot of money from the united states and a lot of americans think you get that money when you were an ally.

we put the question to you. is egypt an ally of america? >> well, the current government is not an ally of america. that's number one. number two, if the united states wants to cut the aid, please do it. it's not really going to affect egyptians. the majority of the aid goes to the military any way. we don't see that money. >> interesting point of view there from an activist, obviously, he is not a proponent of the current muslim brotherhood administration, but says they don't need the aid. joining us now, jonathan prince and rick grenel. who also briefly served as foreign policy secretary for mitt romney. rick, interesting that you have someone there saying we don't need the aid. fine and we're not an ally. what do you say? >> well, first of all, you know, i can appreciate his point of view, but they do need the aid. it's $1.5 billion a year and they absolutely need it. it's not just military aid although that's the majority of aid.

i think that his point about this government in egypt and how nervous he is is a great point. it's something that's been happening for many months and i think we've seen the islamists across the middle east gaining ground in yemen, in syria, in egypt. they just killed our u.s. ambassador in libya. this is a problem that's been happening and shockingly enough, we have a white house who say it's about some film. it's really been happening for many months. and we have an administration that has been looking the other way and parading around like they killed osama bin laden and their work is done. it's shocking and i think the media's got to start focusing on the fact that the islamists have been on the move. they've been on the move for a while. this is nothing new, erin. >> well, it's an interesting point and i think the administration certainly like everyone at least is confused on how to deal with it. john, let me ask you this question. >> not everyone is confused. let me just correct that. not everyone is confused.

they are confused. >> i think that, well, i'm not going to get in the debate with you. i'll let you do that part. but the muslim brotherhood is different from country to country. but what i want to ask you is what the public is saying so far about how the president handled these attacks. get your response, then rick's. so, president obama, mitt romney, 26% approve. 48% disapprove. those are obviously not good numbers for mitt romney. i'll get to rick on that in a moment. but 45% approve, is that a big win or no? >> look, i think those are good numbers. anytime in polling where you ask a question and said what do you think of obama, what do you think of romney? people default to their partisan position. the real question is where are they breaking? where's the advantage? the differential. how does it break down on the way, what you see internals of that poll. democrats highly supportive of president obama. republicans, very lukewarm on romney. that kind of intensity is a

problem. the differential, thatst a problem for romney. the reason is because what we saw from mitt romney is something in kindergarten, engage brain before opening mouth thing. you can't play the kind of talk first shoot later think afterwards style of diplomacy. it's not what works for commander in chief. >> rick, you hear 26% for mitt romney, approval. that's got to make you scared. >> sure. it's a terrible number. there's no question about it. i'd like to know what was given to these respondents to respond because if they were given in i news media reports from the last week, i wouldn't blame them. the news media has been atrocious. here, we have mitt romney waiting 15 hours while the islamists are beginning to take over our embassy. we can debate on whether 15 hours is too early like this gentleman just said. i actually think 15 hours is too late for the president of the united states to come out and do something. why was he just sitting there when he got briefed that

americans were killed when the 3:00 a.m. phone call happened, where was he? did he go back to bed? why was he missing his intelligence briefings? >> well, rick -- >> there's a lot of questions that need to be asked. >> with all due respect, that's not an accurate version of events? >> what is? what happened? >> we first heard late at night on tuesday, one american had been killed. secretary clinton went out. >> 15 hours. >> hold on, rick, hang on a sec. secretary clinton went out right away and made a statement. >> not right away. 15 hours. >> 7:00 p.m. is when we reported an american dead. >> correct. secretary clinton went out hours later. >> rick, rick, rick, let me say what i'm going to say. let me say it first. it's a little reminiscent of the way your candidate jumped out. >> you don't have to bait him month, but make your point. secretary clinton was out there that night, very clear, the loss of life is unacceptable. we did not have the facts. when she went to bed we did not

know the ambassador was dead. there was no way to notify next of kin. what you do no diplomacy because words matter in diplomacy. >> okay, so let me have my point now. >> hold on. it's got to be clear -- >> no, you had your point. words matter. >> overnight, you have to -- >> you have to say something. >> hold on, rick, let him just finish. >> 7:00 in the morning on wednesday, the president of the united states was out there making very clear how reprehensible these attacks were and the position of the united states. >> the only part i agree with is words matter. when we have a developing situation when people with coming oaf the wall, when the al-qaeda flag is being raised on the u.s. embassy, where is the president of the united states? don't tell me he can't speak up. and say shame on you, call the president of egypt. do something. don't wait 15 hours and then when it's your turn to speak, don't come out and shake your fists at mitt romney. that's outrageous. >> and as you know -- >> the president and his team

were on the phone with libyan leaders, egyptian leaders. >> no, they weren't. it was 15 hours later and secretary clinton said something. >> they got right on top of it, they sent the troops -- >> why wasn't -- he was slow. the president of the united states is not even talking to him. the president is not speaking up. >> the president of the united states is not the only diplomatic arsenal -- >> now that's the excuse from the democrats let's dismiss the president. >> you know that very well and the american people know that very well. which is why you see these dismal numbers for mitt romney and good numbers for president obama. >> i'm going to hit pause there. i think you both made very ardent and well phrased cases. >> on top of each other. >> and viewers can make, you've got the facts now. preliminary agreement was reached in the chicago teachers strike. so teachers and students are still not back in the classroom. why? a union member "outfront" next. .

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no merit pay, health care benefits were preserved and at least half of all hires must be displaced teachers. they also agreed to a longer school day. the union delegates, including my next guest are asking for more time and saying there's no deal just yet. a union delegate and high schoolteacher, good to see you, appreciate you taking the time. why no deal? >> the teachers are looking everything over. we have about 30,000 members taking a close look at this, trying to make sure the contract -- they have to live under for the next three years is what they want. and in fact, we're concerned about the various learning conditions inside the schools obviously. >> i understand there's some concern about that, but yet kids are being kept out of school. and that's hard to get the sympathy of parents, probably, and also people around the country. why not go back and work that out afterwards. >> well, a couple of reasons.

ween watt to get it right. it's tough to get 30,000 people engaged in the strike process, it's a difficult process, as you well know, people don't get paid, et cetera, we went out because we felt that we were mistreated by this mayor, as you may know, our last contract was ab row gated by the mayor as soon they they walked in. this one's iron clad, we didn't want to hurry up and say, let's go back in, and without people having the opportunity to take a look at it, this is sort of a bottom up democracy in our union, all 30,000 members are going to weigh-in on this, before we decide to end this strike, to disengage in the strike is a deliberate process, just like engaging in a strike is a deliberate process. you never want a chance to take a look. >> you're going to make up the days lost to strike, right? every one of those days will be made up? >> that's absolutely right. >> i'm very curious, this whole issue about the teachers who

were laid off, getting the right, first short of rights at jobs when they open up, under the compromise at least our understanding reading through it, was about half, new hires would come from a pool of teachers. how does that make sense? >> i think you have to reframe the question. the reason we're concerned is because a lot of school closings, right now with the mayor as an active attempt to destroy schools and destroy communitieses by just going in and labels a school a failure, knocking all the teachers out, anybody in the building, is suddenly deemed unworthy of employment, et cetera. we think that's wrong, we think that it's criminal actually that they're destroying the substantial in those schools and communities. we're fighting that, one of the ways we're fighting it is we're insisting if you destroy those schools and you put the kids in another school, the teachers

follow those students and don't destabilize the students by not allowing them to have the same teachers or similar teachers. >> do you agree as a teacher who's dedicated your life to being a teacher that some are better than others? >> of course, and the fact is, teachers get better, hopefully with seasoning and with age. and i like to think i'm a better teacher now than i was 25 years ago. i'd like to think you're probably a better anchorwoman than when you first went in. i hope the mayor becomes a better mayor. he's been attacking the middle class since he got in his position. we hope he will grow and become better at what he does. currently he's not doing a great job, as you know, the fact is, teachers get better with age. i'd like to think i'm better now than i was. >> thank you very much, sir. we appreciate you taking the time. we'll be back.

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our fifth story tonight is the super pac economy, the one that supports mitt romney, has already raked in $65 million. more than groups spent total at this point in the 2008 election. john avlon is writing a series of reports on the super pac economy, and he joins me now with a look at some of the stunning headlines. >> it's absolutely amazing. there's a gold rush going on

right now beneath the struggling economy, to give people a sense of what we're talking about. $5.8 billion total is expected to be spent. 2.5 billion in the presidential race alone. what are the dimensions of the super pack economy? the new, new thing. 844 super packs have been formed in the wake of citizen united. here's another stunning fact. only 100 individuals account for 59% of the money raised today. it's an amazing statistic. there's also a real balance in the money raised today and what has been spent today. conservative groups have spent 256 million to date. liberal groups, # 6. look at that split. that could make a big difference in swing states down the line. we don't have a precedent for this, it's a major x factor going-forward. finally, the question, who benefits? this is a gold rush for political consultants right now. two companies in particular, these are companies that do