nappy, nappy head, and what do you get? ambiguous. >> i apologize my race is invisible to your eyes -- >> but last time i checked it was none of your business, and so do we a favor and stop assuming. you never know what to expect from my first guest who was famous for his outbursts as well as his abouting. he once asked me this. >> have you ever been properly in love. i was instructed by your staff to pose this very question to you. >> alec baldwin. we're talking about everything from politics. >> we can probably solve this in about a week. it's not that tough.

>> bob costas and gun control. alec baldwin live and unfiltered. plus an extraordinary heartbreaking story. mother and her children in a christmas fire. how she's finding the strength her life. >> finding out the truth is very important. it's the way i want to honor and respect my parents and my children. >> this is piers morgan tonight. good evening. there aren't many laughs to be had in politics unless you have a guest like alec baldwin. in real life we call him the poster boy for liberals. this is an exchange from nbc's 30 rock. >> this is 15.1% of americans

hate republicans because you're sneaky and cynical. >> i think i'm the opposite. i'm doing everything i can for my beliefs. i believe one rich person can change the world. >> joining me now is alec baldwin. we've never met in the same studio. >> i'm going to miss that show and that character. >> what is going to happen to my life without jack. >> your life. >> he's great comedy. >> even to the wire as we get to where next week sometime we finish the snow and every minute that goes by, i said i'll never say this line again and never stand in this spot again. >> can't you create a spin off around jack. you signed a new deal with nbc? >> i think that would involve tina and the people that birth this show.

tina has so many options in their future. i don't think they will see themselves do a show i'm not the star of. >> it would have been good though. >> i think it would have been. >> let's talk politics. you can smoke pot legally. this must be a happy day. >> i don't know how i feel about legalized pot smoking because the differences that alcohol is something that's consumed as part of cuisine. you can drink alcohol and say i've had enough. drugs are consumed for the purpose of being mind altering substances to legalize them is -- i'm not quite sure how i stand. the medicinal marijuana, i'm in support of. >> right until the end people assumed it was going to be a close race. in the end it wasn't that close. the gop are going through a

collective meltdown and working out what the new identity needs to be. what did you make of the election battle. it was pretty bruising and pretty nasty. they don't seem to have learned very much on either side how to get stuff done for america. >> there's countless people who have said the gop's casting department has to be fired an restaffed because this was a race that was theirs for the taking. they really, really could have brought him down. i think the vice presidential choice was critical. i think if you had romney who was plenty conservative for most people i know, maybe not for people in red state, christian conservatives. needed to put a woman on the ticket. >> i was amazed he didn't go from the over demographics. he had marco rubio on

condoleezza rice if they had done it. >> if he had gone for meg whitman. he might have won. if he took a serious woman as opposed to palin in 2008. >> on obama, he fought a campaign that was pretty skillful on the ground where it mattered in the swing states. probably why he won. by any kind of criminal just you say he didn't live up to the promise he gave four years ago. what do you want him to do to show some fulfillment of that promise. what i want him to do and what needs to be done have separate things. i do know that we've had a lot of programs, government funded programs for years now that represent both sides of the aisle. both sides want everything they want.

both sides have found way with this congress over the last several years to get much of what they want. we bought it on credit. the time has come. we have to pay the bill. >> argument of the moment, you can see the republicans being pushed into this impossible situation for them to win where two-thirds of americans in all the polls are quite happy for the rich 2% to be taxed more. the republicans have boxed themselves into position come january 1st they might be allowing all the middle class to be taxable to try to save the skins of very wealthy americans. that's not going to wash with the public, is it? >> it already isn't washing. there are people that have job, both parents are working, putting their kids through school, they don't have faith in the public school and they have the option to go to private school. their nut is a bit higher but probably around a million

dollars is a serious breaking point. there's one definition of wealth. $250,000 of wealth, 500 and once you cross a million dollars then you can have the highest tax rate. i don't think you should tax people at the highst rate earning $250,000 a year in the modern world. >> let's talk about guns. bob costas got into hot water talk about gun control. i've had a lot of debates about this show. i've got a lot of strong feelings. we don't have a institution that many here believe entitles them to bear arms. what is your view and should politicians led by the president be doing more to try to limit some form of weapons. >> we license many things in our society.

you can't walk into a store and get all the drugs you need. you can be in agonizing pain and you still have to go to the hospital and stand in line. you have to go to a doctor and get a prescription from a pharmacist. we license cars and a lot of things. we need to license guns beyond the way we do it now. if you want a gun, you can have a gun but it might take you a couple of weeks. >> i would say to the majority of americans -- >> i disagree. >> at best it's 50/50 where there's a rural or semirural component or people that live in a city that's a bee sides city out west where they have access to rural country sides and shooting and guns and hunting is part of the culture. look at a map of the united states and look at the density of the united states, most of it is still on the east coast. a lot of people i know on the east coast don't want to own guns. i think people should be able to own them.

we should not infringe on that right. we need to make the rules more stringent. >> last time we spoke you were flirting with the idea of running for the mayor of new york. are you still flirting with it? >> no i was convinced and people told me, you'd have to taka year and a half of your life to do nothing but raise money. i didn't have time because i'm doing the tv show now. i'm very interested in what the post bloomberg look like. i start with looking at the over candidates who have good qualities. the thing that concerns me most is about quinn. i've been very outspoken about quinn. she's a lovely person but she is bloomberg's hand picked successor. i resent that he feels needs to control the fate of city hall.

he already overturned a voter approved referendum. quinn has that blood on her hands. i was very, very upset about that. i just don't think that quinn is trustworthy. i think she's a very, very -- she's a very nice person. in terms of her political aspirations she's a very untrustworthy person. >> i couldn't help but notice your gray knuckle there. i'm going to leave the viewing public on the cliff hanger, how did he get that mark on his knuckle? has he punched another photographer? we'll find out after the break. ?

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i've been to the dnc. they have signs. can your wife not read? is she funnier than i am. she's not younger. >> we're not doing this. >> we are doing this. >> i'm sorry i broke up with you by text. i'm sorry i went drinking with karl rove on valentine's day. >> i can't bear the thought of no more jack. she was a comic. >> she was a great foil. she was a great comic foil. >> we have some funny pictures. these are pictures of mitt romney. that's him at mcdonald's. >> letting his hair down. >> that's him in the store, the

super market. cvs getting some supplies. that's him in the kitchen. that's him gassing up at the station. it's a sad lonely figure. >> he's kicking back. >> is it good for any politician? >> i would imagine the period, the grieving period and the acceptance period for when it doesn't go your way especially when it was every inclination it would go his way. remember what a long primary period it was. they had about 175 debates before the general election. >> what i find so disgusting -- i actually like mitt romney and his wife and his kids, the way they have been chucked under the bus one by one. i don't like that. it's disloyal to me.

>> i'm glad of the way everything turned out but it wasn't like romney was somebody i despised. i didn't think he was the best man for the job. i think the republican party have a lot of soul searching to do. we need two parties. i don't want to live in a one party country either. what happened for the republicans is something that they have to do a lot of thinking about because it was theirs for the winning if they focused more. >> let's put the viewers out of their misery. >> i injured myself on the set. i hit a ladder with my hand. when you're on a sound stage, as you know, you're in pretty constant peril every five minutes of smashing your head. i cracked my hand. i did not punch a photographer. >> your relationship with the media has been fascinating. you've been good copy for them.

you occasionally blow up and now you seem to be in constant rage with them. why do you have some conflict with them. >> i don't think i am. that guy, the photographer, i did not punch the guy. the guy was overheard pi witnessing going down the street going through his camera with his thing going there's one. there's a good one. i like that one. he's going through the whole roll of his film on his digital camera. they go down to the police station and he presses charges and the charges are dismissed. they didn't believe he was struck and dismissed the charges. there was no case there. i also think we live in a time where, and you'll appreciate this, years ago the press operations of major studios before there were television networks tried to protect movie

stars back then from the hedda hopkins. they had press offices that would help them. then one day somebody said why are we wasting our time trying to shield society from the alcoholism, the extramarital affairs of the stars. let's make money off of these people falling on their sword, no pun intended, in this behavior. for this very company, cnn, which is owned by time warner, warner brothers owns tmz. when you make a film for warner brothers or do a television show, right down the hallway, that very company that you're working for is trying to stab you in the back when your back is turned. it's become a very, very murky water.

>> there is way to deal with them. i say this with great respect because i know you get more attention than i would. they follow you around. you stop them. >> you must have a low threshold for entertainment. >> i find it a necessary part of show business. >> you have a very different opinion than i do. my attitude is it the business would be better if they were gone. if i could press a button and flush them. where is the button. >> you could never have anymore publicity for anything. >> that's not really practical. you will have publicity. i'm not opposed to the entertain m journalism that's out there because i think it cheapens show business but the ones you call

the kind of gotcha journalism, that's one i think we can do without. >> mike tyson had a good way of resovling things. i said when is the last time you had a man. he said the photographer at lax. i said what was the fall out. he said they get to me. let's take a break. saturday night live. you've done 16 of these. you're the king of snl. i want to talk to the king. in keeping the denture clean. dentures are very different to real teeth. they're about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can multiply. polident is designed to clean dentures daily. its unique micro-clean formula kills 99.9% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains, cleaning in a better way than brushing with toothpaste. that's why i recommend using polident. [ male announcer ] polident. cleaner, fresher, brighter every day.

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i have to say your balls are so tender. >> there's no beating my balls. they're made from a secret sweaty family recipe. no one can resist my sweaty balls. >> it's a classic. >> that is a classic. >> it's a holiday classic. >> did you bring any of your sweaty balls with you? >> all one big basket. >> you love snl? >> i really do.

>> it's live and dangerous. >> there's things like that but that's the only place you can say it. one of the greatest tributes is how they do primetime network. they can only go so blue. they have to walk that broadcast line which they do. snl you can go further. there's things you can't plooef you're saying on tv. >> let's talk about your brother. he's in the news for facing jail and being arrested over some tax dodging thing. what can you say about that? >> two things. one is i don't think he's going to go to jail. i know he's in a negotiated settlement and things that were online, that's what media today does. they try to tilt it the way they need it to be to sell copies and sell online hits to their sites.

we're talking about him being arrested and taken into custody. this was all prearranged for him with the d.a. to go in and make an appearance. they've got to shake him down and walk that gauntlet even though steps have been made. down payments have been paid. when you have far less money than you need and you have far more money than you need they're both equal in terms of how easy it is to get into trouble. the only people who walk down the line seem to keep that right. i have so many friends of mine who annualize their income. they make a lot of one money and assume it will carry on many, many years. those people end up spending the money they would have to segregate into a tax account.

my brother is no different than millions of other people. i think his problem of today is being cleared up. they did drag him through that mud. >> getting a lot of tweets here asking are you going to work with tina again because they are heartbroken it's all over. >> the show airs until the end of january. if something came up that was a good idea, i'd love to do that because tina is a great writer. she's so unique. there really is no one like tina who is this beautiful woman. she's winning and fun on screen and very clever and sharp. the other thing about it is her future is something that i'm very interested to see what happens. she does have two kids. whether she'll want to get back into that tv grind again, i don't know. >> we'll take another break.

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left viewers on a cliff hanger. raising the specter you may be gay. are you? >> maybe unconsciously. i just got married to a woman. >> she's a beautiful woman. she's got you in spectacular shape. >> obviously i feel funny saying this because a lot of people would say this about their wives but i'm very lucky. she's the most special person. she is such a wonderful opportunity for me as a person to grow. she's helped me so much and not just in terms of this physical

health and nutrition. the number one thing i gave up was sugar. a fit and relatively lean and healthy person. i started to go off this deep end and started to get more and more swollen. i did exercise. when someone explained to me, and this is very important, it was not so much about my lack of discipline or my kind of bad behavior but i was sick. i was prediabetic. if i addressed it that way therein lied the cure. i gave up eating sugar and i lost 35 pounds in a year. >> are you a romantic man? >> i think i'm very romantic. >> i saw the pictures, very romantic. you threw the kitchen sink at that. >> i love my wife. i'm in love with my wife. i adore her. i've never had this opportunity before.

when you're younger, and i was married before, i'm a different person. you look at that guy back then and go look at him. he didn't really have all of his ducks in a row. >> you did me last time with a very good british accent. i'm going to ask you the same question now that you've experienced true love, is this the proper love. have you felt this before and i didn't work out? >> i think we have a more acute appreciation for that. everywhere that i was, i was where i wanted to be. i was married to my ex-wife. i was involved with a couple different people and all those people was where i thought i wanted to be. the difference is in me. the differences were not only in who i'm with but me as well.

>> you're a nicer guy to be with? you're a better partner? >> the biggest thing i want to change is how stress filled my life. like the job i have on the tv show, sometimes it seems to be a hobby and i'm fitting in these other things that i do which fill another side of my passion. sometimes i go home and i think i'm going to go blind i'm so tired. >> what's been the greatest moment of your live putting aside women an children? what's been the moment you'd go for. >> probably a tie between my daughter being born. i got married in 1993. i was 35. my daughter was born in '95. i was 37. i began to mull over the

possibility i wasn't going to have children. my wife was 42 a few weeks after my daughter was born. the second thing tied with that was getting married. i never thought i'd get married again. you've been married once? >> twice. >> you know when you go back to it again it's very joyful. >> you can't have women or children and you gave me them. >> other than. >> great answer. >> other than women and children the greatest experience of my life, that's tough to say. i would have to say -- >> the moment. >> the moment if i could relive it probably when we won the emmy for 30 rock and the show won and

tina won and i won and we were only the third show in emmy history other than "all in the family" and the "dick van dyke show." that would be one answer. >> it's a great answer. it's a fantastic show. i'll be mourning the departure. jack donohue will live on if it kills me. >> will you still have me on? >> i will. coming up, an extraordinary story of heartbreak and hope. how madonna badger is rebuilding her life. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso.

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>> it's almost impossible to imagine what madonna badger has opinion through. she woke up to find her house engulfed in flames. she was unable to save her three young daughters and her parents. nearly a year she's learning to try to get on with her life. an extraordinary example of strength and courage. she joins me in a primetime exclusive. i don't even know where to start with you because i can't imagine

anything worse in the world than what you've been through. how do you even begin to cope? >> in the beginning you don't cope. my life was basically shattered. i went to three different mental institutions. they didn't know what to do with me. i wasn't mentally ill. i was just sick with grief and sadness. finally, i called my friend and asked her to come and get me from the third one in tennessee. she did. kate and i went to college together. i lived in her daughter's bedroom for four months. i went to this amazing place called the psychiatric institute. the director was the first person to describe what was going on with me spiritually, psychologically in a way that i

could understand at the time. >> is time, as people say so often in these situations, any kind of healer? >> i think the only reason why time is healer is because my whole life, not my whole life but what felt like my whole life has been about my girls and my children. the time part is the idea of learning how to live without them. it doesn't really get better. you just learn new tools along the way. >> there's something that really touched everybody because it was christmas. your three beautiful girls, your whole life your parents, everything gone literally in ashes. the day before, how would you describe life before this happened to you? >> my life was fantastic. it was beyond my wildest dreams.

we had the most amazing night together. my mother made wonderful apple pies and homemade bread and brought them to my house. we had a lovely christmas eve dinner and gracie went around and decorated the table and sarah and lily did wonderful dances. it was amazing. i've never felt so good in any life than the past few months up until christmas morning. >> when you realized what was happening, there must be, i'll put my cards on the table, my grandmother watched her mother die in a house fire. she saw it happen. i've got a tiny bit of perspective for the horror of what that must be like. when you're beginning to realize you can't get your girls or parents out of this inferno, what was going through your mind?

>> it's so horrific and so awful and before this happened to me i would never have imagined there was anything that could have stopped me from going into a burning building and to save my children. yet, i couldn't get in. i had climbed up to the third floor scaffolding and raised the window. the black smoke was so thick and filled with burning embers, i would hold my breath and try to go in, i was screaming and screaming. then finally i saw the fire trucks coming. i came down and then i tried to open a window with my foot. my neighbor has come out of his house. the firemen are there. i don't know -- i'm so lost at that moment. i was so lost.

i've done a lot of work. the same sort of work they do with war veterans with post-traumatic syndrome at pri because up until maybe two months ago i couldn't have even told you that story. >> part of you just wish you died too? >> yes. i prayed for that. i screamed at god forever, why didn't i die too. i really wanted to die too. >> do you blame anybody? >> no. i don't. >> do you enve really know exactly what happened? >> no. that's why i don't blame anybody. >> the house was demolished bout your knowledge or permission it was just a raised to the ground. there's never been any conclusive investigation that's told you what you most want to

know, what happened? >> there has not been any conclusive anything. and, you know, for me, finding out the truth of what happened is very important. it's the way that i want to really honor and respect my parents and my children. more importantly, at this point, i don't want this to ever happen to anybody else. i don't want anybody else to ever wake up on christmas morning choking in their own bed and not being able to save their children and have, you know, the people of the city come in and tear my house down and haul it away and not save one piece of physical evidence, not save a smoke detector. >> why did they do this? do you know? do you have a satisfactory answer? >> no answer. none. it's awful.

and the fact that they could come in and make that sort of a decision without doing a proper investigation, i mean, my father was the director of safety and security for brown foreman for over 20 years. >> he was a santa claus, right? >> yes. in his retirement. >> he was very keen on safety. >> yeah, growing up, his nickname was safety man. my dad was in my house with me all the time, and my mom was, too. and this idea that my house was somehow, you know, halfway built or any of those kinds of things, it's just absurd. it is absurd. the person that came up with the ashes story was me, you know, i was worried that when i went to bed and saw the box next to the mud room -- sorry, in the mud room next to the door, i

thought, oh, i should put that outside, and then i thought, no, it's okay. i vividly remember this. of course i do. so i went to bed, and when i got up i came out to the front to the top of the porch, i looked around and i saw my parents' bedroom windows, and i looked and there was no flame there, and i looked back, and the way my house was built i could go all the way around, and i saw 8-foot white parks coming out the direction of the meter, and the sound -- it was so quiet. all i heard was like in a frankenstein movie when they electrify him. i saw a flame but not much. i ran up the scaffolding and opened the window and that's when the smoke nearly knocked me down. >> your ex-husband has said in interviews and has been very honest about this that he was so

grief stricken and engaged that at one point he wanted to kill you and your boyfriend and do whatever he could to try -- i know that you now have a pretty good relationship with him, i think. >> yes. >> tell me about that, because it's for him as awful as it has been for you. >> oh, you know, i would imagine if i were in matthew's shoes i would have had the exact same reaction. i don't at all judge his grief or what he has chosen to say or do or feel. it's such mind-bending grief. i hope nobody judges me. >> you said at the funerals for your girls, you gave the eulogy and you put your hand on my heart and you said they are right here and this is where they live now. is that how you feel now? >> yes. at one of the places i had a dream and -- on my way to arkansas, and in my dream lilly

came to me, and she did it with fingers, and she said, mommy, i am right there, i am right there in your heart, don't worry, i love you, mommy. sarah came to me when i was, you know, flipping out, and said, you know, don't worry, mommy, there's nothing to be afraid of. i had a dream with sarah where she said just look into my eyes. it's all okay. with gracy, i see butterflies everywhere, and i know it's grace. you know, if it's cold or raining, wherever, and so i -- you know, not only do i know that they are in my heart, i know now that their presence is everywhere. when all of those things were happening, i thought, wow, i am delusional. i must be really nuts. this is what is happening to me. actually i read a book about a

month ago called proof of heaven by dr. alexander, and he is a surgeon that had a near-death experience and during that entire time he was on the wings of a butterfly and he went to heaven on the wings of a butterfly. the messages are love. there's nothing to be afraid of. you can't do anything wrong. and dreams are more real than this life. and that's what dr. alexander said, and that's what sarah told me in june and i read this book in november. when i read that book and had the realization that this was real, and i had what the saints call ecstasy, when you really know god and you know that eternal life is real, and i had that feeling. it was amazing. and every since then i have felt so much at peace because i know -- i know with every fiber

of my being that my girls are okay. >> how will you spend christmas? it will be a year, and normally such a happy day for you, it will be a painful day, and what do you think you will do, do you think? >> every day has been awful and there have been all sorts -- they talk about when parents lose a child the first-year anniversary of everything is really hard, their birthday, you know, and i had two because, you know, sarah and gracie are twins. but mother's day, easter, halloween, thanksgiving, and so yes, you know, this -- this is the day, and i am certainly nervous about it but because i have had all these other days i have a little bit of an idea of what to expect.

the truth is the leadup to the actual day is much harder than the day itself. lilly's birthday was the first that came. i was terrified. i didn't sleep for days. i was terrified. i couldn't sleep by myself. it was, you know -- kate -- i had to go and stay at kate and justin's house again and i woke up on lilly's birthday, and the first thought that came into my head was i love you, lilly, happy birthday, and i dressed up for her, and i, you know, put makeup on for her, and i just walked around all day, you know, saying happy birthday and i love you. so i will spend christmas that way, and i am going to go to thailand because, you know, i am -- santa claus is not really a happening thing for me right now, and they -- there's an orphanage there and there are

young girls -- there are orphanages everywhere, but this one, these young girls have lost their families, and so i will take them suitcases filled with toys that i was able to get out of my garage, and so that's what i am going to do. i will ride on elephants, i hope. >> it's a heartbreaking story and i don't know how you got through this. your courage is inspiring and the way you talk about the girls is extraordinary, and i wish i could do something to ease your pain, but i can't. i really appreciate you coming in today. >> thank you for having me. >> i hope christmas is not too unbearable. >> thank you. >> you got everybody with you. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. oh...there you go.

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