face of those towers crumbling and also in the face of his declining health. i hope marty can now rest in peace. this is cnn sunday morning. day six in the standoff ties though jimmy lee dikes hasn't surrendered his 5-year-old hostage, there may be new reason for optimism. the incredible story of heroism and redemption. how a new orleans saint helped save a game and his dad's life in one spectacular play. the boy scouts may vote as early as tomorrow to lift a ban on openly gay members. now governor rick perry has taken a stand. what he said might surprise you.

good morning, everyone. i'm randi kaye. it's 8:00 on the east coast. thanks so much for starting your morning with us. iraqi insurgents called him the devil. the this morning the former navy s.e.a.l. who wrote about making more than 150 sniper kills is dead. cnn has learned chris kyle was shot to death at a gun range near ft. worth, texas, yesterday along with another man. kyle is perhaps best known for penning the book, american sniper. it details his four combat tours in iraq. staerted a foundation to help veterans battling posttraumatic stress disorder. the gunman accused of killing him was a former marine who suffered from ptsd. our pentagon correspondent barbara starr joins me by phone. barbara, you've been dicking into this. what more do you know? >> this sad story emerged late last night, randi. the pentagon is trying to assemble what they can at this

point about the service record of chris kyle and the man taken into custody, 25 years old. he was caught by police in texas after a brief pursuit, has been arraigned on two counts of capital murder. another man was shot along with chris kyle at this shooting range. the initial reports are that the men had gathered there and they were helping this former marine learn to shoot again. chris kyle had been very involved in helping veterans with posttraumatic stress. so there is a belief that the marine -- the suspect may have been involved with posttraumatic stress. i have to tell you, i think all of that still remains under investigation as to exactly what transpired. throughout the navy s.e.a.l. community, special operations forces, really, they are remembering a man who in their

mind, their world truly was a legend for what he militarily accomplished during those tours in iraq. of course, another day to remember all of those who have fallen in battle. >> certainly 150 sniper kills. barbara starr, thank you very much for your reporting on that. i spoke with a close friend of chris kyle's early this morning, jason on the right in this picture with kyle told me that kyle will be missed. >> he and a friend took a marine that was suffering from ptsd to a gun range to shoot. as a way of giving back, it was certainly him taking his time to help -- again, help war heroes. apparently that -- >> he had quite a reputation in the field as one of the most

lethal snipers out there. how did he handle that? >> chris viewed it as his job and he was protecting his brothers, frankly. he as a man was quite contrary to that. he was an incredibly loving father and charismatic and really caring person. so it's quite a contrast from what he did as his job. he's a man of incredible character. he led by example always, the little things he did. his life was incredible. he always stopped to take time to talk to whoever was around him and just incredibly humble. >> how did he do when he came back from war?

certainly so many soldiers struggle. how did he handle it? >> you know, when he came back, "the transition from serving our country with four tours of heavy combat, difficult for him to not want to be over there. all that stuff is in his book. what i'm most impressed by was he became one of the biggest advocates for his brothers and sisters in the military immediately. so he turned his time and attention to helping them. frankly spent the last over the past year being an advocate and not even focusing on his own business. >> most recently chris kyle and on the nbc reality show "stars earn stripes." he also and on "conan o'brien

show." >> you are so well-known by the iraqi insurgents that you were fighting that they put a $20,000 bounty on your head. is that right? >> yes, sir. >> how did the iraqi insurgents identify who you were? >> when i would go into a house, and we had the occupied houses, i would take the top of my uniform off and just have my short sleeved shirt on and you could see my tattoo coming down my arm, and they identified that with me and started -- every time someone would be shot by a sniper in the area, they associated that with me. >> we expect to learn much more about the shooting that killed kyle when police hold a briefing at 3:00 p.m. eastern time today. president obama heads to minneapolis tomorrow to talk about his plan for gun control. back in washington, everyone is talking about a certain photo released by the white house. this photo. it is response to calls for proof after the president revealed in an interview that he

likes to go skeet shooting at camp david. the senior adviser tweeted this, for all the skeeters, potus shoots clay targets on the range at camp david. make our day, let the photo shop conspiracies begin. before the picture was released, a chorus of conservatives questioned the white house's claim like congresswoman marcia blackburn. >> if he's a skeet shooter, why have we not heard of this, seen photos, why has he not referenced it at any point in time. as we had this debate that's ongoing, you would have thought it would have been a point of reference. >> the nra is responding saying, quote, one picture does not erase a lifetime supporting every gun ban and gun-control scheme imaginable. it is super bowl sunday.

we'll hear from the president. today news anchor scott pelley gets the call. he talk to the president during cbs's super game show. he's done this every year he's been in office but don't expect a prediction on who will win the game. the president is the pregame while the ravens and 49ers are the game. the teams held special walk thrust inside the superdome yesterday. there wasn't a whole lot of work being done. both teams, family and friends, kids and adults all on the field taking part in history. we'll take you live to new orleans for much more on the game at the bottom of the hour this morning. to washington and john kerry and his road to the state department. kerry was confirmed as new secretary of state by 93-4 vote last week. many people assumed kerry was the second choice for the job after ambassador susan rice. kerry said this, quote, he called me actually a week before

susan rice got out of the thing. he calendar me and said you're my choice. i want you to do this. he asked me to keep it quiet. i did. i sat on it. remember, a few weeks before susan rice pulled out several senators said they would block her confirmation because of her comments on the benghazi tragedy. a key republican said he'll back chuck haggle. nebraska senator johanns is the second to commit. his decision followed a private meeting hagel would defend israel. hagel himself a republican and former nib senator was criticized for his testimony. he's expected to make more calls on capitol hill. top catholic leader in los angeles has relieved retired cardinal roger mahoney of public and administrative duties. archbishop gomez says he's punishing his predecessor for

miss handling sex abuse claims, although some call it an empty gesture. 1,000 released documents indicate 192 clergy in cases going by 80 years. mahoney snapped back at gomez who took over the archdiocese in 2010. the cardinal post add blog that reads in part, not once over these past years did you ever raise any questions about our policies, practices or procedures in dealing with the problem of clergy sexual misconduct involving minors. i have stated time and time again that i made mistakes, personal in the mid 1980s. i apologized for those mistakes and committed myself to make certain that the archdiocese was safe for everyone. it is day six of the hostage standoff in alabama. police are now being able to give some comfort to the 5-year-old boy being held underground in a bunker. we will take you there live. ♪ [ watch ticking ] [ engine revs ] come in. ♪

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city, alabama no longer have to wonder if jimmy lee dikes will be dangerous, he's the man who snatched a 5-year-old boy off a school bus and is holding him in his underground bunker. it is now day six of his standoff with police. victor is live in the city. what are you hearing this hour from police. >> fbi agent tells us the line of communication is open from jimmy lee dikes and they communicate with him whenever he wants to. they also tell us they are grateful they have been allowed to pass on what they call comfort items, potato chips, the medicine that's needed. we're told this 5-year-old boy ethan has adhd and asperger's. coloring books to keep him serious. he made a point of taking care of our boy. we also note the parents of ethan are getting updates every hour on the hour from authorities. as it does every day when the

sun comes up now day six of this standoff, the activity is picking up here. we're not showing the tactics live, or whatever is happening behind us on this property, because that's been requested by authorities. but again, things are picking up as they do every morning, randi. >> how is the community holding up? how are they reacting? >> it's all anyone is talking about when you go into the nearby towns of dothan, ozark, you hear people talking about this. of course, nothing like this happens here. all this attention. there's a twitter account where they are soliciting less of the information about the investigation but more about the prayers and well wishes for the family and for this 5-year-old. i'll actually let a woman who lives in this city answer this quechlt her name is michelle riley. she has three children in dell county schools and she spoke with my colleague george howell. listen. >> we can fight and push through

and pray that our prayers are answered that ethan will come home to be with this large family. >> that large family she's speaking about is all the people who show up at the vigils every night. there were 50 last night, 100 the night before. in a town of about 600 people, that is a lot. so they are all praying that he will be coming home. you probably saw on the top ona ribbon, black, red, and blue. the red and blue are for the school colors in the county, the black for the bus driver killed on tuesday. his funeral will be this afternoon. we're hoping for more information when we have a scheduled news conference at 10:00 eastern today, randi. >> thank you very much. we'll soon know if the boy scouts will lift a ban on its gay members. now rick perry is getting into the debate. you'll hear from him.

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the boy scouts of america could decide to lift its ban on gay members as soon as tomorrow. but republican governor rick perry of texas says there is no reason at all to change that ban. >> scouting is about teaching a substantial amount of life lessons, sexuality is not one of them, never has been, doesn't need to be.

>> perry is a former eagle scout who spoke yesterday in front of a statewide boy scouts gathering in texas. it's not just governor perry who is opposed to the change. in an op-ed in the post, one parent said this, imagine a group of girls is going on a long camping trip supervised by adult volunteers who are young men you barely know. would you let your 15-year-old daughter go? earlier i spoke to the person who wrote that as well as this man, eagle scout jack walls, executive director for scouts for equality. he is straight but has two lesbian moms. i started by asking ed whalen if he was implying homosexuality was synonymous with pedophilia? >> not at all. in fact, i think the example i give is just the opposite. what's at issue here is we have an organization that's long stood in defense of traditional american moral values.

it's attracted parents and supporters from churches precisely because it's in defense of those values. the supreme court has held that the boy scouts have a first amendment constitutional right to pursue their values and to exclude leaders whose presence would be inconsistent with those values. that includes, by the way, not just gays but atheists. we can respect and do respect our fellow citizens that are gays and atheists, we love our fellow relatives and friends that are gays and atheists but we are not obligated to regard them as suitable as scout leaders. >> let me ask zach to weigh in on this. >> i think it's traditional ed is going for the traditional moral framework, he's trying to define this as a liberal fundamental tradition that's become popular in america in the last 40 years. the reality is there are christians of all nominations that are applauding the policy change including united church

of christ, one of the top church sponsor who issued a statement on friday that said, quote, the ban is inconsistent with respect and dignity that serves the scouting program and we couldn'ting a more. even though ed might talk about respect, respect for him is a one-way street. nobody is calling for exclusion of baptist, mormons or catholics or frankly anyone that holds ed's point of view. scouts should be an in inclusive program because we believe in the values that constitute the program. >> the problem with the boy scouts, if they abandon this, different troops, different policies, completely unwork ab, will invite legal attacks on troops that maintain traditional qualities and zach and his cohorts wasn't call it a peace troops. they will realize the boy scouts can be intimidated and continue to intimidate them. this is an unstable stopping point, just a path to further

vend. >> speaking as an eagle scout, somebody who spent 12 years in the organization, i simply have to disagree. we're appealing to the traditional values of the boy scouts since 190 3. i feel moving forward this will foster inclusiveness, the bow scouts through the entire population of young men, not just those that happen to be straight. further to your point of something that's an unworkable legal solution, the national key to the bow scouts this week, president of the board said, currently -- with the current ban in place, we do not want to find ourselves in a position where a judge is telling us we need to expand our policy even further than we're going here. even though you might be looking at this one specific way, the bsa isn't take that position at all. >> ed, let me ask you. i know you mentioned this change in policy, deprived the troops of protection.

protection from what? what do they need protection from? >> they need protection from legal challenges to their decision to exclude gay leaders. the national supreme court organization won that victory 12 years ago. they are throwing it away in a way that would expos local troops and volunteer leaders to lawsuits by activists. >> would you want your son to be in the scouts if he was gay? >> you know, i think a question like that directed at my son is a rude question, but let me answer it this way. i would not have put my son in a troop with an openly gay leader or openly atheist leader. lots and lots of other parents, the most vibrant part of the boy scouts believe the same. zach can cytoone liberal denomination satisfied with this proposal. >> to be clear, it's not just ucc that has weighed in. currently mormon and catholic, hardly denominations known for liberal status, only the baptist. >> they are not going to approve this. don't you dare suggest they are

going to approve this. >> ed, let zach finish, meese. >> the point is simply that while there may be some very opposed to this policy decision there's a vast difference between being opposed to gay marriage and opposing enrichment and development of gay men because they happen to not be straight. while his position is one we respect and we're not going to try to remove his son from the program, it's about respecting the opinion of all who want to be members not just some. >> appreciate your time. appreciate both of you discussing this. >> thank you, randi. one church in missouri says they are not waiting for the bow scouts to make the decision. the country congressional church of christ posted this sign in front of their church welcoming all boy scouts. >> we interpret the bible to say god loves all god's children. at this church, all god's children are truly welcomed. >> the reverend said he was moved by his stepson who left

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five stories we're watching this morning. a former navy s.e.a.l. known as the deadliest sniper in u.s. history is dead. 38-year-old chris kyle was killed with 35-year-old chad littlefield at a gun range near ft. worth, texas, of the man accused of the killing has been identified as eddie ray routh. he's now in custody facing two counts of capital murder. number two in alabama where police are keeping contact with a man at the center of a hostage standoff. jimmy lee dikes holding a 5-year-old boy in his underground bunker. it is now the sixth day of the standoff. he allowed police to deliver comfort items for the young boy like potato chips and toys. a man accused of raping and killing an indian student on a new delhi bus pleaded not guilty. it sparked mass protests and marked changes against sex crimes. the defendants could face the death penalty. their trial starts tuesday. a sixth attacker is a juvenile

and will be tried separately. number for the man who said he was jumped by grammy winner chris brown won't press charges or even sue. rising r & b start frank ocean said on his facebook page, he will choose sanity and drop the matter. it was a fight over a parking space at a west hollywood recording studio. number five, ben affleck women's director's guild best honor for "argo." the prize given last night makes things a little awkward. that's because affleck wasn't nominated for an oscar for best director. not that you need reminding but it is super bowl sunday. we are still around 10 hours away from kickoff, which means it's time to mix the dip and get the wings in the oven for the players. it is time to get up and get rolling and get nervous. one man who is never nervous owned game days, carlos diaz

down in new orleans. you're never nervous, come on. you've been doing this a long time. >> when you think dip, you think carlos diaz. >> yeah. i'm glad you made that connection and not me. but this game, carlos, is the pinnacle of a player's career but also the end for one of the game's best. >> yeah, you know, one of the stories of this super bowl is ray lewis. the inspirational leader, if you will, of the ball ravens. he's been playing football in the nfl for 17 seasons. this is his last game. win or lose tonight he announced at the beginning of this year's playoffs that he was retiring after this season and his team gave him one heck of a going away party culminating tonight here at the superdome. i saw the beginning, but, of course, i could never see the end on how my career would end. but to have my career come to an end in the biggest game you can ever play in this profession in

the world, you can't -- how else do you cap off a legacy. for that confetti to drop on us february 3rd, it's the ultimate respect you can give back to your teammates. >> i can tell you right now, ray lewis, that's him on media day. the throng of media around him on media day was 10 times what it was any other player or coach onthe ravens. obviously he's the main draw on the field for the baltimore ravens. >> i'm sure. the 49ers, as you know, favored in las vegas. betting on the final outcome of the game is just one of many bets, right? >> you know, it used to be like, hey, you know what, you can bet on the coin toss. isn't that cool? now you can bet on anything, how long alicia keyes will take to sing the national anthem, 2:15, over or under. i'd go under. whether jay-z will join beyonce at halftime.

if you're jay-z and you know you're going to be joining your wife, wouldn't you put a million dollars down on that. you can also bet how many times jack harbaugh, the father of jim and john will be shown on tv. you can bet on the length of the handshake at the end of the game. bets galore for the game. >> my goodness. you really can bet on anything. carlos diaz, good to see you. enjoy the game. >> thank you. >> part of the super bowl has been celebrating games and that means heroes and the hall of fame. seven new ones, former new york giants coach bill parcells, warren zap, larry allen, curley culp and former defensive tackle jonathan ogden. 2010 may have forever changed the lives of chris reese and his father mike. they will join me live.

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faces of faith today, we're talking about the super bowl and how just a mer of seconds can be enough to change your life, like in 2010 when chris reese from

the saints made a game changing play. an on side kick recovery that helped turn the tide against the colts and led to a saints victory. that moment touched chris's dad in a way he had never felt before and inspired him to finally kick his alcohol addiction that had ruined their relationship. that's the subject of the book they co-wrote called "recovery of a lifetime." chris reis and his father mike join us this morning. good morning to both of you. mike, i'll start with you, how did that moment three years ago change your life. >> when i watched that play, obviously it was a big play in the game, more importantly, i was watching. i go, he's at the bottom of that pile. what 111 million people around the world don't realize is what it took for him to get to the bottom of that pile. all the obstacles that chris had to overcome, being raised by a single parent. i walked out on them when chris

was just 2 years old for a woman that i met in a bar. i thought about all the things that he had to overcome just to get to the bottom of that pile, and that inspired me to take a look at my life and to make some changes. >> chris, did you ever think that you and your dad would be such buds and have such a nice relationship given that history? >> i always hoped and prayed we would have that kind of relationship that was so meaningful and purpose filled, but i never dreamed one football play could have changed something that radically. >> what role would you say god played in your relationship and repairing it? >> i think god is the center of our relationship. without it we have no foundation. we have nothing to know go, nothing to hold. it's everything to us. it's really what makes us have a great relationship. >> did you find god after you found chris again? >> no. i didn't know he was missing either.

actually god found me. i became a christian in 2005 but continued a lot of destructive behavior. that was the other part of the inspiration was chris continued to live his life, his faith in such a way that i took notice. but i still held onto a few things, even after i became a christian. it was when i got arrested. three weeks after the super bowl i got arrested for a dui. it wasn't my first go-und. i finally realized i'm behaving in a way that's not consistent with what i say i am, and that is a christian. >> the book certainly details quite a bit. it's a very honest and personal story. you share a lot, mike, about sex and alcohol. how hard was that for you to talk to your son about it. >> it was extremely hard. it was quite a process. we worked with mike yorkie, a collaborator in san diego. before we went out, i told chris, i said, i'm really nervous. i'm afraid. i'm scared. and i said, you're going to

learn some things about me and i'm afraid you're not going to love me anymore. he said, dad, i forgive you. as a matter of fact, i forgave you a long time ago. i respect you more now for what you're revealing and what you're trying to do and the motivation of your heart, that's what i'm really proud of. >> was it painful for you, too? >> it was. it's hard. you never really want to know that much about your father. i think you always look at your father as a superhero. nothing can touch him. but it's true what he said. i think i respect him so much more now knowing he's putting himself out there and saying this is who i am. love me or not. and i choose to love. i choose to forgive. i've been forgiven by heavenly father, how can i not grant forgiveness to him. >> i know you've written this wonderful book and taken this on the road and speak a lot about it. what has been the reaction? >> the reaction has been overwhelming of the position that i take that it's never too late to become the man or woman god intended you to be.

have you to live for more than just yourself. the reception has been incredible. >> i bet. >> we find -- everybody finds a piece of themselves in the story. that's really unique. it's something different to everybody. that's what we wanted. we wanted to share a story and inspire them to be better. >> it's a great story of father/son finding each other and bonding. thanks for being with us and best of luck with the book. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. see life in the best light. outdoors, or in. transitions® lenses automatically filter just the right amount of light. so you see everything the way it's meant to be seen. maybe even a little better. visit your eyecare professional today to ask about our newest lenses, transitions vantage and transitions xtractive lenses. experience life well lit. ask which transitions adaptive lens is best for you. thanks for being with us and

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the u.s. postal service is honoring iconic civil rights activist rosa parks on what would have been her 100th birthday. tomorrow it's releasing a forever stamp that will emphasize her quiet strength. parks made it into the history books following her arrest after refusing to give up her seat on an alabama bus to a white man.

she died in 2005. it's time to take a look at the week ahead. we have another busy one coming up for you. on monday we'll be talking a lot about the boy scouts. this the first day we could possibly hear about a decision from the scouts. there are reports the governing board will vote on whether or not to remove a ban on gay members. a lot of heated reaction to this. on wednesday we'll be talking about lance armstrong. this is the deadline for him to testify to the u.s. anti-doping agency. remember, he just admitted to oprah that he's used banned substances. armstrong's attorney said, no way, he's not going to testify before the deadline. on thursday oh, yes, all the fashionistas will be out. new york begins fashion week. it will run until valentine's day. after new york a whole lot of events, london, milan, paris. maybe you can get a ticket to something like that. on sunday, yes, it is the super bowl of music. the grammy awards show sunday night, all five nominees for

album of the year expected to perform including mumford and sons and fun. also kelly clarkson's stronger, and taylor swift's catchy tune, we are never, ever getting back together. questions still linger about an attack on an embassy compound in benghazi. defense secretary leon panetta expected to testify in the coming weeks about the events that led to the deaths of u.s. ambassador chris stevens and three others on september 11th last year. state of the union host candy crowley joins me to talk about this. candy, good morning. will we find out anything knew about what was done and if it could be prevented? >> interesting. in this interview we did talk about benghazi, some of the complaints at least as far as the military is concerned about benghazi has been why wasn't there a force that you could move in quickly, if this was a

seven-hour exchange of some sort. why wasn't there some place to move forces in to help out, so there is that question to be answered. in fact, we will find that both these men, leon panetta, the defense secretary and chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, dempsey, that there wasn't time to get there. it wasn't really a seven-hour battle, more like two twenty-minute battle that is took place over a seven-hour period. the expressed no regret from the military point of view was what was done differently that day. it was interesting. i think they will get a lot of pushback on capitol hill. we learned hearings are likely to take place thursday. that's at least the day they were looking at. that's simply because you did have some republicans saying i'm not going to vote to confirm senator chuck hagel, who is the president's nominee for the next defense secretary until we hear from leon panetta about what happened in benghazi from the military point of view.

you're going to see that testimony next week. >> speaking of the president, we'll hear from him this afternoon, his annual presuper bowl interview. a lot going on, changing cabinets, contested -- >> you get different interviews with different interviewers. if this is a sports interviewer, i think that will be different from someone like scott pelley who has done these sorts of things before. but yes, we will see. i would expect when you have the president it's not enough to say, hey, who do you support. i think you do that after all it's a game and people are looking forward to it and it's an interesting thing to talk to the president about. generally they say things like i'm the president of all the teams. this president sometimes that supported chicago but chicago is not playing. so there you go. when you get time with the president, you sit down and ask him about the subject du jour and he's got a lot of them out there. >> he certainly does.

candy, nice to see you. keep it here for "state of the union" it starts in about eight minutes, 9:00 eastern time on cnn. first a monkey in outerspace. maybe, maybe not. we'll explain the art of the hoax next.

search is under way for a 6-year-old boy who is missing as a result of this balloon that simply took off from his backyard. there's a picture. for two hours the balloon was

flying around colorado, ft. collins, colorado, landing safely, smoothly in a dirt field near denver international airport. oh, yes. how can we forget that drama? now, that was the hoax. the balloon boy had us riveted. we were skeptical. in these days of reality tv should we be surprised any more when fantastic stories aren't true. comedian dean joins us to discuss that. good morning. >> good morning. >> what's up with all these hoaxes in the news lately. do people think they are gullible or is this a punked generation. even a monkey was involved in some type of possible hoax. >> randi, i don't know who to trust anymore. i trust you. i'm worried i received an e-mail i won the lot ll ll ll lly -- l luxembourg, it may not be true.

>> probably not. >> a monkey in space, a successful mission, the monkey before and after the mission didn't match. maybe the monkey didn't make it or maybe the monkey escaped, he's loose. anyone sees a monkey in a space suit walking around, that's him. he got away. >> it's still unclear on this that one. >> the media looking at two pictures, the monkey looks like it's slightly different. you wonder if there's propaganda on either side going on. he's a cute monkey, i hope he's okay. >> i hope he's okay, too. this next one, i don't know if you can call this a hoax, beyonce lip-synching at the inauguration. >> hoax is anything defined as being deceptive. technically on some level it could be a hoax. she sang as if live. it was prerecorded. to prove she can sing, this is how sad we've become, she had to sing national anthem live to reporters to put this to sleep.

we don't want milli vanilli. they lip-synched the whole thing. they weren't singers. we are cynical if we make beyonce sing to prove she can sing. >> that's demanding. now to the biggest hoax, we've been talking a lot about this. the mani stay oy story. he did a two-part interview with dr. phil this week. >> he's the criminal. we're elevating the criminal and putting him on a national platform, you're the ultimate punk punkster. it's not the end for hichl. he'll be hosting a reality punk show. it's the ultimate reality. i'm not defending on any level what he did to manti te'o. i can see him rewarded on some tv network somewhere, not cnn. >> what's the end, do you think we're more gullible? >> i think the internet made it

easier to hide identity, for theories to get to critical mass. celebrity death rumors are the big thing. it's almost monthly. >> so true. >> jon bon jovi heard about his own death rumor and he had to hold up a sign that said looks like heaven and new jersey are the same thing. i'm still alive. they have to respond. >> i can't let you go without talking about the big game. >> what game? it's a hoax. it was played weeks ago. >> don't say that. maybe the commercials will ab bit of a hoax. who knows what we're going to get. do you have anybody in mind this could win this one? >> new york giants? they could win. i want my team in it. the judge, i think the niners are going to win. i hope somehow the giants and eli manning end up on the field and win. >> unless they arrive in a silver balloon that's been floating around. >> genius. or jump out and sing with beyonce. >> there you