gloria steinem, you should know her. she's written for most major magazines. these days she's working for "new york magazine." new york, not the new yorker. the work she's doing is causing quite a commotion. she is very good. >> what kind of girl is she? seems like a real bitch. oh, she must be very aggressive and pushy, you know, they have these whole ideas of girl who gets to where gloria is in life, what one has to do. >> makes me sad because of the bitch part. really gets to me. maybe it's worse than i think. i don't hear those comments, but what i've come to understand lately is it's not always personal. it's all women come in for this kind of stuff. if you don't play your role, you know, if you dare to aspire to something, then you get it automatically. >> in the early '70s, "esquire"

printed a piece, and it was attacking me in the text of the piece, in a cartoon, too. this piece just seemed to take everything i'd ever done and make it seem as if it was all about ambition or selfish, as if i gloomed on to movements insincerely. that article in "esquire" was, certainly, among one of the most humiliat humiliating. i immediately decide to withdraw and never leave my house again. then alternately decide to fight. >> your original assumption is steinem, indeed all women, could not succeed on the basis of simple talent, intelligence, ambition, and hard work.

esquire indulged in the cheapest kind of kiss-an-tell journalism. >> i remember the press conference, i especially remember flo kennedy, a great defender to have, funny, outrageous. >> after you do something that we do not like in the media, you know, we take care of whatever part of your anatomy seems to need taking care of. >> i finally read the "esquire" article. the issue was very much larger than one small article. the issue is, the whole way in which nonestablishment people are treated in the press. as a member of it, i feel very responsible for it. >> the "esquire" article made me cry because it was just so wrong and cruel, really. i realized as a journalist that

there really was nothing for women to read that was controlled by women, and this caused me, along with a number of other women, to start "miss" magazine. we had many meetings about starting the magazine here in this apartment. we were going to call it "so journer" after so journer truth, but that was seen as a travel magazine. we were going to call it religious, but we settled on miss, because it was short. it was an old term as an abbreviation for mistress. we didn't invent it, but it was the parallel of mr. and had a great parallel use. >> all resolutions, it seems, start with a typewriter over a bar. the magazine "ms." is no different. it's a magazine designed to serve as a forum for the women's

movement. something the readers characterize as not a reform, but a revolution. >> welcome to chaos. >> gloria steinem's the editor. it's disquieting to her, but nonetheless hard to say if she's attracted so much attention because of what she's done, what she says, or how she looks. ms. steinem will be 38 on her next birthday. >> the idea of a feminist magazine seemed crazy to people. it was chaotic and scary. we were afraid that we would not succeed, we would disgrace the movement. >> many knowledgeable circles in media circles say "ms." won't last six issues, but mostly men making those predictions. >> "ms." is at hand, and it's pretty sad. >> harry reisner predicted "ms." magazine could not possibly last because we say everything there is to say in the first three

issues. >> i can imagine an editorial meeting deciding what to do next, marriage contracts, role exchanging, and the female identity crisis, what do you do? as i said, it's sad, because not even the most neanderthal of us like predictability. i suppose to these ladies the most pate newsing thing you could say is, i'm sorry. but, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, i'm sorry. >> it sold out. hugely in just about a week. it was supposed to be on the newsstands for three months. it sold out in a week. >> the reason why "ms." magazine is called ms. is because women's marital status doesn't matter any more than mens does. i don't see any reason to exchange that information for what you might tell me. >> some have taken to not

addressing women by ms. or mrs., but they've gone to the ms., ms., why not do that with white house letters? >> i guess i'm a little old fashioned, but i'd rather prefer the miss or mrs. >> he asked a silly goddamn question about ms., you know what i mean? mr. or miss, how many people really have read gloria steinem? >> the more he has to prove, the more dangerous a leader, witness richard nixon. there is some opinion that richard nixon is the most sexually insecure chief of state

since napoleon. >> somebody once said a woman a man most fears is the woman inside himself. >> doesn't henry kissinger more than compensate for president nixon's sexual insecurity? >> that's like, are you still beating your wife? anything i say is impossible. >> we were photographed together. since kissinger was, i think, pretty much the only unmarried person in the nixon administration, somebody from "the new york times" called me up and asked me about it. >> this week, gloria steinem, almost unbelievably to me, is voted as having said she's not now and never has been a girlfriend of henry kissinger. but, i would like to tell you, i'm not discouraged.

>> people think being pretty or beautiful solves everything, which, of course, it doesn't. the hard part, for me, i must say the painful part, is i work really hard, and then the result is attributed to looks. that's -- it's really painful, and you would think at 76 that would go away, but it's still there sometimes. >> you know, there's a saying now, we are becoming the men we wanted to marry. >> wonderful. >> yeah, and it's very true. and i would go out with very nice people, writers, because i wanted to be a writer. do their research, see their friends and wonder why i came to resent them later on. it wasn't their fault. they weren't telling me to do that, but society and all my training was telling me to do that. >> i have known, personally, about ten men who were all the way in love with you or part of

the way in love with you. it's never anything -- >> some of them were not telling the truth, i'm counting. >> it's never anything you've paid much attention to, is it? i paid great attention to get men to be in love. >> of course. and i did, too. >> did you? >> of course. women show our power by getting men to fall in love with us. >> probably partly because my father was a nice guy, i don't think i was ever really attracted to cruel or difficult men, which is a big thing. i mean, i was very lucky. my father was a charming, kind, lovely man. and he was a completely irresponsible guy, who was always in debt. my mother was a pioneer in journalism before i was born. but she just couldn't make it all work together, you know, to be the perfect wife and mother

and to have a pioneering career at the same time. she had what was then called a nervous breakdown, which made it difficult for her to keep her newspaper job. she just couldn't function. and she would always leave the radio on as the only sound in the apartment. she was always lying on the couch with her eyes closed, kind of talking to people in another realm. i couldn't allow myself to feel what she was feeling, so in many ways, she became someone to take care of more than she was my mother, and i got to be very good at learning how to detach. it was extremely depressing and scary, very scary, to be a child taking care of an adult is very, very scary.

my father was long divorced from my mother when he'd been in a car accident in orange county in california. i should have gone right away. but, i think, the deep part of me feared if i went, i would never come back, i would end up caring for him, as i had for my mother when i was little. so, he died alone, and i regret that so much. i really regret that. ♪ [ male announcer ] when we built the cadillac ats from the ground up to be the world's best sport sedan... ♪ ...people noticed. ♪ the all-new cadillac ats -- 2013 north american car of the year.

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he described himself as the most lethal sniper in u.s. military history. here's where kyle and another man died yesterday. a gun range outside fort worth, texas. police say a third man shot them both dead. the suspect is in custody now. in alabama, officials say the man holding a boy hostage is allowing a delivery of potato chips, toys, and medicine. jimmy lee dykes grabbed the boy from a bus. tomorrow in manhattan, new york city will say good-bye to its three-term mayor ed koch. a who's who of new york political power is expected to attend the funeral. former president bill clinton will give a tribute and current mayor mike bloomberg will give a eulogy. can wall street hold on to friday's momentum monday morning? the dow will start above 14,000

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in the '70s it was heady and exciting and naive, you know, because we thought these injustices are so great, surely, if we just explain them to people, they will want to fix them. >> the delegates include some of the best-known leaders of the women's movement. the image of what goes on here as conveyed by the press is important for both sides as they battle for public attention. >> you have paid no attention to us. >> we are in the middle of doing something! >> we are asking why these women have been treated -- >> shut up for one minute! >> how do you dare talk to us like that? >> sometimes the only way you can get attention to the problem, you know, is to freak out people, as they say, to

dramatize it that way. you have to break the form. you have to stop playing the game in order to change the content. >> we support you with our dollars, brother. so don't get smart or we'll fire you. >> it was outrageous. there's such huge punishment in the culture for an angry woman. >> what the hell are you taking off your equipment for? don't touch me! >> don't touch me. >> get your hands off me. don't touch me. >> sometimes what only an obscenity will really say it. >> the media, these are the people responsible for what has happened to women in this country. >> this is where it all begins. 36 democratic national convention. tonight, one out of every three delegates down there will be a woman. >> nobody hands you equality, you know, there's a myth in this country that women were given the vote. women went to jail, demonstrated, and generally made

such total nuisances of themselves, so if we weren't given it, we took it. >> make history know that this was a different convention. >> next time they'll be discussing, can a woman run for vice president, can a woman run for president, it won't be a should or can, it will be a natural thing. >> such an extraordinarily valuable person, it's hard to describe. she was wonderfully comforting in strange ways. i don't know if this makes sense, but one of the things that happened that actually did get to me was that a pornographer put a big poster of me nude right outside the "ms." offices and a big sign that said pin the -- on the feminist. she said, what's wrong, and i told her. and she was not impressed at all. i said, but bella, you don't

understand, there is, you know, a drawing of me in full lavial detail and all these penises down the side and has my hair and my glasses, and she said, my labia. and somehow she made me laugh so hard that it was okay after that. >> we've been much to law-abiding and too docile for too long, but i think that period is about over, so i only want to remind you and me tonight that what we are talking about is a revolution and not a reform. >> i think we have to be responsibly aware that there are more than one voice in this movement, that there is a difference between me and gloria steinem, on the other hand. >> in the early '70s, betty

ferdin gave a statement to the press saying "ms." was profiteering off the women's movement. >> it was following a luncheon at the new democratic coalition that we were finally able to ask betty feirdin about the comment. >> she's working the movement for personal profit? >> she would neither confirm or deny the statement about gloria steinem. >> i really questioned very much that betty said that, because it's so inaccurate and we've had so many discussions about exactly this, that i really question it. i'm only replying to the statement as reported, not to betty. >> are you sorry you made the statement yesterday? >> i have no comment! >> do you think it will put a serious dent in the movement? >> no, of course not. >> what's wrong with gloria steinem? >> i don't think there's anything wrong with gloria steinem as a person, or if there is, it isn't my business to say so. >> really anybody who threatened

her ownership of the movement came in for this. the movement was hers. she was the mother of the movement, but then to turn around and find all these people trailing along, lesbians coming along, women on welfare, she didn't really identify down, she identified up. and since i was part, in her view, of the group that was advocating this other identifying down, i'm sure that i was not welcome. >> ms. steinem, may i ask you a question, you made a speech before the national press club this year, and you said, and i quote, women are not taken seriously, we are undervalued, ridiculed, or ignored by society, which consciously and unconsciously assumes that the white male is the standard and the norm. now, what's your explanation in view of men, males, are virtually controlled and

dominated by women from birth to puberty and often beyond that? why haven't you done a better job, if you are as smart as you say you are. >> well, that's your statement, not mine, that men are virtually controlled by women from birth onward, so i wouldn't accept the premise of that statement. >> haven't you had an opportunity to brain wash the male during those early formative years, why doesn't she do it? >> it's beginning to change, not to brain wash, but to be objective for a change and to eliminate the sex and the race stereotypes. >> i've just never felt compelled in any way to have children, and i don't have any regrets. i was obsessed with the magazine. that was my child, which it still is, actually. >> when "ms." magazine got going in 1972, other magazines, new and old, were sinking fast, but "ms." made it.

only seven months after starting it was in the black. >> i humbly admit that i was wrong when i predicted that "ms.," the magazine of women's liberation, would fold after five or fewer issues. "ms." has every right to feel proud. >> "ms." has been added to the u.s. government list of acceptable prefixes. ms., says the government, is, quote, an optional female title without marital designation. [ engine revving ] ♪ [ male announcer ] every car we build must make adrenaline pump and pulses quicken. ♪ to help you not just to stay alive... but feel alive.

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i'm always reminded of -- of a quote which did not come from me, as is sometimes said, if men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament. >> we regard abortion as a method of last resort in birth control, but we say with equal fervor that it is a method which must be freely available for all who need it, for whatever reason. >> this wave of the women's movement established reproductive freedom as a basic right by freedom of speech or freedom of assembly. >> in a landmark ruling, the

supreme court today legalized abortions. the majority in cases from texas and georgia said that the decision to end a pregnancy during the first three months belongs to the woman and her doctor, not the government. >> in 1975, "time's" man of the year is 12 women, but this cover while rated by some feminist leaders by gloria steinem as a net-plus for women is criticized by others, saying "time's" implication is 12 women are equal to one man. >> the point is, we go forward. we are nowhere near where we need to be. >> this morning, houston turned upsidedown for more than 33,000 women and men of widely diverging views who came to participate or to protest the national women's conference, a presidentially appointed women with a congressional mandate to examine women's rights. >> a torch held high for feminists who have come to houston. it is supposed to be a symbol of

progress toward equality and of the unity they hope to create here. three first ladies of the united states, betty ford, lady bird johnson and rosie carter stood in agreement of that purpose. >> i would say of all the big events i experienced, it was the most underestimated. it was so important. >> forces opposing the women's movement over angling over such controversial proposals as lesbian rights will wound the movement, while leaders of the conference are convinced they can win new friends for the movement. >> lesbian issue was serious. lesbianism was not agreed upon as a feminist issue until 1977. >> but all those in favor of the sexual preference resolution, please rise. >> then everybody did vote and say, okay, this is a feminist

issue. >> i was crying, all crying. i think of it as just so moving. >> the delegates adopted an agenda that was pro-era, but also pro abortion and pro lesbian rights. >> equal pay, equal work. equal pay, equal work. >> after years of internal squabbling over where the women's movement should be going, the leaders say passage of the equal rights amendment is the single most important piece of unfinished business, that until the constitution says women are equal to men, the women's movement cannot move forward. >> if they want us to become the radicals that they fear we are, just let them stop the era and we will become those radicals. we are the women that our parents warned us about, and we

are proud. >> is your life much different from your mother's life? >> i think she likes the idea that i'm a writer, because in a way it's a continuation of what she hoped to do, even though we never talked about it, it seems it happened by accident. i wish very much i could give her choices over again. >> she was living with my sister in washington, all the many years, you know, before she went into a nurse iing home. she was still with no support, no companionship, no nothing, and i so regret, you know, that i wasn't more of a companion to her. >> feminist gloria steinem is in albuquerque, new mexico. >> she's been invited to philadelphia to receive -- >> gloria steinem recently traveled -- >> i feared that i distanced

myself, because i was trying so hard. i was so fearful of becoming her. my sister called me, and it was clear that my mother was, you know, on her last two days, i guess, you know, so i was sitting with my mother, and she kept saying that she wanted to go home. and so i -- as i remember so well, kind of lied to her one last time and said, i'll take you home. and then she just gradually stopped breathing. >> a new book on the bestseller list is called "outrageous acts and everyday rebellions." the book is written by gloria steinem. >> look, this is very messy and i don't care if everybody sees the wires, but will you get up

there and do a little time step? >> only if you sing. >> i'll sing. ♪ the bells are ringing ♪ for me and my gal ♪ the birds are singing for me and my gal ♪ >> we need a finale, a great finale. ♪ and some day they are going to build a little home ♪ >> this is it. >> if you like her, send in your dollars. >> do you do a lot of this? >> no, this is my first. >> really? aren't you nervous? >> very nervous. >> the "today" show asked me to interview george burns, because i was always mimicking him. >> do you want a cigar? >> i got a cigar. you're part of my life. >> that's good.

nice to be part of your life. what are you doing tonight? >> well, that may be up to you. any advice for me? >> well, when you go out with me tonight -- >> i'm too old for you. >> no, you're not. you're a pretty lady. [ man ] i've been out there most of my life. you name it...i've hooked it. but there's one... one that's always eluded me. thought i had it in the blizzard of '93. ha! never even came close. sometimes, i actually think it's mocking me. [ engine revs ] what?! quattro!!!!! ♪

hello, everyone, i'm don lemon. a killing at a gun range,

everyone involved, shooter and victims, are all former military men. one of the dead is well-known navy s.e.a.l. chris kyle. he described himself as the most lethal sniper in u.s. military history. here's where kyle and another man died yesterday, a gun range outside fort worth, texas. police say a third man shot them both dead. the suspect is in custody. in alabama, officials say the man holding a boy hostage in an underground bunker is allowing a delivery of potato chips, toys, and medicine. the 55-year-old grabbed the autistic 5-year-old from a school bus thursday after fatally shooting the driver trying to shield the children. funeral services for the driver was held today. boy scouts of america could lift a ban on gay boy scouts could be lifted tomorrow. governor rick perry of texas says there's no reason to change the ban. >> scouting is about teaching a substantial amount of life lessons, sexuality is not one of

them. never has been, doesn't need to be. >> governor perry, a former eagle scout, spoke yesterday before a statewide scout meeting. those are your headlines this hour, i'm don lemon. we return to "gloria: in her own words" in just a minute.

tonight at the waldorf, they are celebrating in the ballroom, gloria steinem. this is the day we wish her a happy 50th birthday. >> the revolution is playing the waldorf. ♪

♪ >> 50 was hard. 50 was hard, because it was the end of something, the end of the central years of life, i suppose, and i treated it with defiance. i'm going to go right on doing everything i did before, so there. aging doesn't scare me, death is another question. when i first got a diagnosis of

breast cancer, i said to myself, so, this is how it's going to end? >> now, this was just a couple of days before i was supposed to substitute for jane pauley for a week on the "today" show, which already made me nervous enough. >> i had a tiny lump excised. i had radiation and no chemotherapy, so i was very, very lucky. but in a way it served a real purpose of making me a little bit more conscious of time. >> are you able to feel as strongly about all these issues today as you did when you first started out? >> oh, much more. god, much more. much, much more. >> and it's a world view. once you start looking at us all

as human beings, you're no longer likely to accept economic differences and racial differences and ethnic differences. so, you have to uproot racism and sexism at the same time, otherwise it just doesn't work. >> the problem is, we are so accustomed and sometimes women as well as men, to hearing as natural 60/40 or 70/30 as a male/female relationship, that when we hear 50/50, we are threatened by it. >> what did you say about this? yeah. >> i feel this issue is kind of talked out. >> what issue? what issue? >> not that i don't agree with it, but i feel it's just talked out. >> if there were four men up there talking about how we're going to take over and in four years we're going to run the country, would you women sit here and listen to that? and i think this is all been --

>> that isn't what we're saying. that's not what we're saying. we're not talking about taking over, we're talking about 50/50. >> maybe you're not in particular, but sitting as a man in the audience, there's a little -- let's go women. >> you feel it's a male bashing? >> it is there. it is there. >> cleveland, ohio, hello. >> hi, gloria, i'm so excited to finally get to talk to you. real quick, first of all, i really believe that your movement was a total failure, and i believe you could admit that wholeheartedly. you are one of the primary causes of the downfall of our beautiful american family and society today. a couple questions. i'd like to know if you're married. >> no, i'm not married. >> if you have children. >> no. >> no, you don't. well, let me tell you, don't ever have children, lady. >> your life is worse because gloria is in existence? >> right. i have said for the last 15

years that gloria steinem should rot in hell. >> you remember that call? >> oh, how could i forget that call? >> i wrote it down. the quote was, gloria steinem should rot in hell for what she started. and i was like -- whoa, cleveland. that shocked me. do you get that a lot, am i just naive? i thought women -- i thought you would be kind of be a hero to women, most women. >> mostly you get the good part, but being recognizable means you get the resentment, too. >> i got to a place where i couldn't go forward in the old way. i was so, so, so exhausted. it was tough. it was tough. i was traveling all the time, you know, and i began to realize that if i went into a hotel room, they often leave the radio

on, and i would always leap across the room and turn it off, because it was so depressing to me to hear that sound. because the radio was the only sound in the apartment of my mother. and that had taken me all that time to connect it. i didn't understand the degree to which my response was being magnatized by things that had happened to me before, so that was a huge leap forward, and i think that realization came out of being depressed. there was a period of time in which the world was kind of black and white instead of in color, and out of that kind of hitting bottom, there were at least a couple of years there when i began to really look internally. revolution from within as a book is part of that, sort of the

coming out of it. >> sometimes when i enter a familiar room or street, i think i see a past self walking towards me. >> in a manhattan studio, steinem is recording kperptds from her new book, "revolution from within." >> but lately i've begun to feel a tenderness, a welling of tears in the back of my throat when i see her. >> having set out to write a book on self esteem, steinem discovered she had very little of it herself. cameras had been on steinem's public romances for years. such a leading feminist chooses a leading man, it's perfect for the gossip mill. >> do you need a man in your life to be happy? >> are you talking about sex or relationships? >> sure, let's talk about sex. >> no, not now at the moment, but that may change in 20 minutes, who knows. >> keep the cameras rolling here, please. >> gloria steinem, it seems the most extraordinary book that you

have written, simply because you seem somebody who really should have sorted out this self esteem stuff long ago. >> well, i think it's probably almost impossible, you know, to sort out the self esteem stuff. i was a neglected child, so i guess i didn't think i existed. and if you're treated badly, you come to feel you're a bad person, and to some extent, even a very good thing like being a social activist can be a drug, you know, that keeps you from going back and looking at yourself. you keep trying to fill up this emptiness, which, of course, can't be filled up with anything external. >> i kept saying maybe you need to find a way to get out of this. it isn't going to take the toll it's taken. she said, how can i do that? >> one of the country's most colorful and determined political characters has died. bella abzug was 77 when she died

last night from complications of heart surgery. she was in congress in the 1970s. she was always ready to stir up an establishment that she said needed more women. >> bella abzug always knew that women could do anything. she expanded all of us. >> over the years, i've introduced -- i've introduced bella many times. i had to introduce her, because i was always an anticlimax if i came after her, and i often said at the end of the introduction, i never want to live in a world without a bella abzug in it. in many ways, she was the woman i wish i had as a mother, but to say that always made her mad, because she always said, i'm not old enough to be your mother.

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from the world's most unlikely bride files, feminist icon gloria steinem was married over the weekend. >> married at 66. i didn't tell anybody, i didn't ask anybody, you know, it was as much a shock to me as it was, apparently, to lots of other folks. >> steinem once said marriage made women semi-nonpersons shechlt married entrepreneur david bale. >> we loved each other. we wanted to be together. >> he was kind of an irresistible force. it was the first time in my life, i think, since being a child, that i had been totally utterly in the present, and i think that was a lot of the magnetism for me. >> hello there, nice to see you. >> is this great, or what? >> this is just what you wanted.

i know this is the first time the two of you have done an interview together. you must be thrilled. >> i know, i know. this is the ultimate test. >> some people might wonder how does david bale keep from being mr. steinem? >> oh, i don't mind at all. >> you don't? now i know you're secure. >> i actually sometimes introduce myself as mr. steinem. >> do you really? >> it's fine, why not? >> i get very upset. no, no, he's not mr. steinem. so it's reversed. if we compete about anything, it's who's going to take care of the other one, because we both grew up being caretakers. >> david and i never got to the point of calling each other husband and wife. he became very ill after a couple of years. his illness was a brain lymphoma, and that was devastating. in a way, for me, it was going back to looking after my mother, but now i was an adult and i

could do it, so it was as if life had given me a chance, you know, to live over a kind of experience. i learned so much from his illness, which lasted a whole year, and from his dying. he was in a nursing home, and that's where he died. and it was, you know, the first year was awful. the first year was full of anniversaries, you know, everything is an anniversary. >> cranky feminist gloria steinem -- >> there's been a lot of effort to demonize the word "feminist." >> gloria steinem, the '60s are over. maybe you made sense when everybody was tripping, far out, man, lsd, rock on! but i think we're a little more clear headed these days, thank the lord almighty.

>> i think that being a feminist means that you see the world whole instead of half. it shouldn't need a name, and one day it won't. >> feminism starts out being very simple, starts out being the instinct of a little child who says it's not fair, and you are not the boss of me. it's something in us who knows that, right? and it ends up being a world view that questions hierarchy altogether. >> is feminism dead? by the looks of this march in washington, d.c., last april, more than a million strong, it's alive and well and attracting a whole new following. >> more than a third of this march is women under 25 years old. >> if i had one piece of advice to give to young girls, i would say, do not listen to my advice, listen to the voice inside you and follow that. the primary thing is that they

keep going. that's what's important. the kids have their own feminist heros. i'm a different generation. the primary thing is not that they know who i am, but they know who they are. as i look back at something that happened 30 years ago and it seems quite recent, i have to realize that i may not be here 30 years from now. i've so loved being here. and i do hope to live to 100. i love it so much. i love it so much. i never want it to end. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com

hello, everyone, don lemon. live in atlanta. the breaking news tonight, if you're watching the super bowl, you're not watching any action in the game. what you're seeing right now is darkness because the power has gone out at the superdome down in new orleans. it happened about 30 minutes ago, and as i keep one eye on the game. the power company is saying there's a power outage. they are saying it's relegated specifically to the superdome. they are saying power is on in the area around the superdome, which we know is in the french quarters, but, again, we have been w