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night he died. how significant that is and what the jury will make of it remains to be seen. prosecutors fought hard against allowing it. zimmerman's drug use has come up, he was on anxiety and sleep medications the night of the shooting. and there was much more today than just the pot ruling. some powerful stuff as martin savidge reports. he joins us now. martin? >> reporter: it was a day of significant surprises again. and one of the questions that had been asked really to the defense team was were they going to call tracy martin, trayvon's father? because if you'll remember, it had been reported that tracy martin when he had heard the 911 calls with those terrible screams, he had told authorities that he did not hear his son. in fact, they brought two

testimonials that were brought on by the investigators who side that's in fact what he told us, that we played it and he said he didn't hear his son. then tracy martin comes to the stand called by the defense. it was another remarkable moment, the father of trayvon martin taking the stand, questioned by the attorney defending the killer of his son. earlier two police investigators testified that just days after the shooting, they played tracy martin the 911 call containing screams and a gunshot from that night. both said tracy martin unequivocally told them it was not trayvon they heard screaming. but on the stand martin testified he never said that and said he told police he wasn't certain whose voice he heard. >> what was going through your mind when you were listening to that? >> basically what i was listening to, i was listening to my son's last cry for help, i was listening to his life being

taken, and i was coming -- trying to come to grips that trayvon was here no more. >> reporter: the defense had spent much of the morning hammering home a version of who was screaming for help. one after another five friends of george zimmerman took the stand and asked the same question, gave the same answer. >> definitely it's georgie. >> i thought it was george. >> when i heard the tape, my immediate reaction was that's george screaming for help. >> whose voice is it? >> george zimmerman's voice. >> the most powerful affirmation came from john donnelly, a friend of zimmerman's, who unlike previous witnesses said he had heard voices under similar stress as a medic in the vietnam war. >> when someone is in dire straits, whether it be combat or anything else, your voice obviously changes. i've heard a 250 pound man sound like a little girl screaming and you -- but before you get there, you know who he is.

>> instead of the scream the prosecution focused on zimmerman's language on his call to police, suggesting his use of profanity implied hatred, a key point when trying to prove second degree murder. >> it seemed to me like mr. de la riondo was trying to highlight it, make it sound heightened and i don't feel that it was that way at all. >> and -- >> i think it was more a statement. >> also called to testify was the owner of the gym where zimmerman trained in grappling and boxing for less than a year as part of a weight loss routine. >> what number would you assign to his ability? >> .5. >> less than one? >> yes. >> a witness last week said he

saw trayvon martin use a ground and pound technique. pollack said he's seen his share of fight aftermaths and days after the confrontation with trayvon martin zimmerman appeared black-eyed and emotionally traumatized. >> so another potentially decisive day from the witness box and from the bench and a trial that is moving faster than many expected and could be headed for a quick conclusion. i want to go to our panel, sunny hostin, marcia clark. at the defense table tonight, danny savalos and mark geragos who is author of "mis-trial," a look at how the justice system works and sometimes doesn't. and tracy martin probably the witness to watch today. how successful was the defense in poking a hole in saying it

was his son in the 911 call? >> i think they're going to say when he was with the police, he said one thing and in court he said another thing i think they're going to that in closing argument to say that's exactly why trayvon martin's mother said the same thing, that her mind wanted her to. but the witnesses were very, very effective for the defense. i think when you contrast that with what he told the police first, it's going to be a very effective closing argument. >> marcia, it was interesting to watch mark o'mara to slyly make the point that he believed he changed his story about the 911 call, especially after talking to his attorney.

is that an effective strategy? >> it can be because in this case it's coming from the victim's father. i don't know whether it ultimately will be but to undermine his credibility and say, look, he changed his mind to say what was going to help the case most from his son's point of view, that is the argument. i think at the end of the day it becomes a wash, though i'm not denying the fact that it is an effective tactic by the defense to use the victim's father in the way that they did, as painful as it is to watch. i think each side says what you expect them to say. one it's trayvon, the other side it's zimmerman. at the end of the day, the jury, it going to be up to them and they may very well throw it all out and say trayvon martin's father was under enormous stress, he called in to say his son was missing just before he fond out he'd been killed.

after all, we don't know of what to make of what his statement was to the police and just throw it out. that's a possibility, too. >> sunny, it's interesting. we've seen over the last week or so of this trial that the prosecution will put somebody on because they know they're out there, they know the testimony may not benefit the prosecution but they want to at least be up front and get out there so it's not the defense bringing it up. they did not put tracy martin on the stand. do you think the jury may hold that against them? you were in the courtroom today. what was their reaction to tracy martin's testimony? >> i have to tell you, i think it was a huge mistake for the defense to call tracy martin. i was in the courtroom. could you hear a pin drop when he got on the witness stand. the jury was more riveted by his testimony than the testimony of either mother. he seemed so sad, anderson, his grief was palpable. i don't think what he said to

police and on the witness stand were mutually exclusive. he said i can't tell it's his voice. on cross-examination he was led by the government because can you do that on cross-examination and he said i listened to it 20 times because i wanted to know why the defendant chased my son. i have to tell you when he said that, the jury looked at him and two of them looked right at george zimmerman and one woman even put her hand over her mouth and kind of leaned forward. i think the defense had a great day today by using all of his friends to say they recognized his voice but it was a misfire calling tracy martin. >> the other thing was the toxicology report, showing thc, the base chemical in pot, in trayvon martin's system. it doesn't mean he smoked that day. >> i love this issue. it finds its analogy in dui law. marijuana is a unique substance. when you test positive for thc,

it's unlike other drugs in that it doesn't necessarily mean you're intoxicated at that point if time. if you have alcohol in your system, you're intoxicated and shouldn't be driving. i still think this evidence should come in because it goes to a state of mind at the time this happened. that being said, i do see the prosecution's position on this particular point. >> and dr. kobilinsky, the level of thc is very, very low. >> that's true. in fact, in a regular smoker of cannabis, you would expect a background level of 1.5. if you do not have a regular smoker, it could indicate somebody smoked earlier in the day, perhaps six to eight hours earlier and that level would come down due to metabolism of the thc, you'd end up with 1.5. >> what introduction do you

think the introduction of the toxicology will have? thc -- marijuana doesn't make people violent, unless it's laced with pcp. >> exactly. it doesn't make you violent. we have no evidence of that in trayvon martin. this evidence might have a very small, incremental effect in favor of the prosecution to show he's not in an aggressive state of mind. >> the flip side is it can make you a little paranoid. it makes him look suspicious. >> i'm with marcia in that generally most people's experience with marijuana is it mellows you out. although your argument is what

you're going to hear in the closing, marijuana produces -- people will know common sense wise that you can get paranoid and maybe that's what happened here. i think these levels are at such a small level, you wouldn't be able to prosecute somebody for driving under the influence at this level. there's no level analysis that shows that this is something that would affect you. i don't think it hurts the defense in the long run. it probably is a wash because both sides will argue it but i think it's kind of a misnomer. i think frankly this whole case comes down to the injuries on george zimmerman and the statement that he already came in. bus when you get the jury instructions, that's what the focus of the jury instructions is going to be.

>> we have to take a break. dr. kobilinsky, thank you for being with us. i want to dig deeper of how jurors see testimony from any family or close relatives. we'll look up close on that. let me know what you think. later, the pilot who safely landed an airliner on the hudson river on the pilot who crashed his way short of the runway. as we talk about powerful [ whirring ] [ dog barks ] i want to treat more dogs. ♪ our business needs more cases. [ male announcer ] where do you want to take your business? i need help selling art. [ male announcer ] from broadband to web hosting to mobile apps, small business solutions from at&t have the security you need to get you there. call us.

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it was just tough. >> he testified today. so did five zimmerman friends. during the trial both mothers took the stand. it's hard as an observer not to be moved. the question is, do jurors react the same way? some answers tonight from randi kaye. >> reporter: duelling testimonies from mothers on both sides over just who was screaming during the 911 call. >> is that screaming or yelling, do you recognize that? >> yes. >> and who do you recognize that to be? >> trayvon benjamin martin. >> who do you know whose voice that was screaming in the background? >> yes, sir. >> and whose was that? >> my son, george. >> family members are often star witnesses, put on the stand for their sometimes emotional and personal insight in hopes of

gaining favor with the jury. the question is, is it effective? sometimes yes, and sometimes no. >> a lot of times jurors will simply disregard family testimony, because they simply believe there's so much bias involved, that they -- that's not an unusual witness or a truthful witness. >> that hasn't stopped attorneys from trying. sometimes the person testifying helps. after sentencing one of the killers to death, several jurors from a horrific triple murder case in cheshire, connecticut said they were amazed by the strength of the victim's husband and father in court. >> seeing him there, seeing his courage and seeing his strength after everything he's been through, that transferred to us. >> but it can be risky and backfire. after michael jackson was acquitted of child molestation charges, jurors said they had a hard time believing the accuser's own mother. >> we just couldn't buy the

story of the mother for one. >> we thought she was not a credible person. >> in george zimmerman's case, both sides clearly see it as a risk worth taking. two members of his family have testified and three from trayvon martin's. >> as i said over and over, that was my best friend in life, and to have him gone is a tragedy. >> i was at the computer and that voice came and hit me. more than i heard it, i felt it inside of my heart. i said that is george. >> they have to blame somebody. and a lot of it goes down to credibility. >> credibility might ultimately be the key. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> back with our panel. sunny, when it comes to the family testimony, there are the specifics of what they're saying, and there's the emotional component, the potential to connect a jury that way.

>> yeah, i think that's right, and that's often times why people are called by the prosecution or by the defense, you want that emotional piece out there. you also want to know that the defendant has people that love him, and that the victim has people that love him. you want to give that full picture. i understand why family members are put on the witness stand. i've put family members on the witness stand. i have to tell you, i think that a lot of times juries do disregard that type of testimony because they feel like both sides are biassed. we'll see what happens in a trial like this, though, where they're not only testifying about their loved ones, they're testifying about evidence in the case. and i wonder how that shakes out. >> marcia, is that your experience as well, the juries tend to view it as biassed? >> yeah, they do. i've never seen juries particularly put a lot of weight evidentiary speaking, i don't think i've ever put a family member on for a piece of evidence.

but it does humanize the defendant. there is an important aspect to it, because it humanizes the victim, in terms of evidence, it's seldom something the juries have told me they find compelling. >> mark geragos, last week the prosecution had on the witness who talked about in the medical profile of george zimmerman, he talked about taking mixed martial arts classes for a long time. the trainer saying his skill was tiny, it was .5 out of 10 in terms of his ability to throw a punch. >> right, and i think -- was it marcia who was laughing at me last week when i said i didn't think he was very good student? >> no, i agreed with you.

i think i said it first. >> i didn't agree. >> that was breaking news, sunny and i didn't agree. the fact that this guy came in, and you take a look at zimmerman, the way he looks right now, i think it's pretty credible this guy was not the best student in the world at mma. going back to the family member discussion. in your package, you had that connecticut case, well, the father in that case was the survivor and that was a death case. that can be some of the most emotional testimony you can have, that's victim impact. and in the michael jackson case, i can tell you from firsthand knowledge, the mother in that case was not credible. not just because she was a mother, but because she was out there. in most of the cases where you put a family member on, it's the defense, when they're putting on an alibi. jurors always discount that. and always assume that the alibi is phony because it's a family member, and they just discount

it out of hand, so i'm kind of with the panel here, part of the echo chamber. i don't think that family members make a whole big bit of difference. >> what about george zimmerman's friends. a number of his friends testifying it was his voice. >> look at the strategy here, it's brilliant. sublime, you have the prosecution ending with trayvon martin's mother, and the defense says we'll see your mother and raise you some really good witnesses. the brilliance here is that by calling these people as fact witnesses, they're also subtly getting in other types of testimony, number one, expert type testimony. i'm someone -- i'm a combat medic, i know screams when i hear them, because of that, i'm better suited to hear screams. the other thing is the character evidence. look at the caliber of these people, one is a federal air marshall, the other is a vietnam war veteran. these people come with credentials, the defense has done a terrific job of finding witnesses who get in fact testimony and character testimony, and even a little expert scream testimony. it's brilliant.

it's really brilliant strategy. >> good to have you on the program, sunny hostin, marcia clark, mark geragos, tonight. for more, you can go to cnn as well. coming up, more for what caused the asiana aircraft to crash. there were more than 300 people on that plane. we'll hear from two first responders who get there within seconds and no doubt saved lives. i'm the next american success story. working for a company

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back to our breaking news, we want to show the amateur video showing the moments just

after that asiana airlines flight 214 crashed saturday. the jet has just come to a halt in this video, the tail has been ripped off. the left side of the fuselage, two giant inflatable slides fill with air, open outward, you see that happening right there. immediately, passengers start sliding down the shoots, away from the burning plane. you look to the right of your screen, you can make out people running away from the right side of the jet as well, heading for the safety of the open field. also, other new video if you take a look at this, some of the passengers from the flight arriving back home in south korea, in the two days since they went through what amounts to a near death experience, one in which two passengers did not survive. it's too early to reach any conclusions, they're focusing on the speed of the boeing 737 as it planned to land at the airport.

and on the pilot's familiarity with that type of aircraft. tonight the ntsb says it's already begun interviewing the four pilots on board. the two flying the jet and the relief crew. dan simon takes a look. >> investigators believe as asiana flight 214 was on final approach to san francisco international airport, its air speed was far too slow. >> about three seconds prior to impact, the flight data recorder recorded its lowest speed of 103 knots. at this time, the engines were at about 50% power and engine power was increasing. >> that meant that the pilot at the controls was frantically trying to power up, because he realized he was coming in too low. that pilot while experienced flying 747s according to the

airline, had only limited experience flying a boeing 777. just 43 hours. he had never landed that type of plane in san francisco. in this exclusive video obtained by cnn, you can see the plane start to descend, it then appears to strike the seawall, loses control and crashes. >> he was also flying with a check captain or a training captain. there were two other crew members, another captain and first officer who were also flying. again, remember, this is a very long trans pacific flight, the four crew members are there for relief. >> as this animation shows. the wide body jet clipped the seawall which creates a barrier before the plane hit the runway. today firefighters described a chaotic, surreal scene.

jet fuel is spilling out of the plane as first responders raced to get inside. they found several passengers trapped. nearly all of them in the back of the aircraft which sustained the worst damage. rescuers said they began going through their checklists. >> the checklists included what the priorities were. and clearly based on the information that we had people still trapped on the plane, we were in a life mode to get on to that plane and begin a rescue operation. >> amazingly, nearly everyone survived. killed were two young chinese students on their way to the united states to attend a summer camp. one of them may have been run over by a fire truck arriving to help in the rescue. >> it became aware to one of our fire chiefs that there was a possibility that one of their two fatalities might have been contacted by one of our apparatus, at an unknown point during the incident.

>> a half a world away in an eastern chinese province, students gathered in front of a middle school to pray for their classmates. >> you say the jet was coming in too slow. how fast should it have been traveling to have landed for a safe landing? >> they were traveling well below the recommended speed. they would have had to be going 40 miles an hour faster to give them a safe landing, that would have given them enough lift and enough speed to land on the runway. >> do we know how many people are still hospitalized and what the most common injuries are? >> at one point 180 people were taken to the hospital. we saw everything from broken bones to bruises. some people had severe spinal injuries. significantly people were taken to san francisco general hospital. we know that six people are still in critical condition. two people are said to be paralyzed, but it's not clear what their long term prognosis will be. >> let's get some expert analysis. we're now joined by chesley

sully sullenberger, he landed his jet on the hudson river after it was struck by birds back in 2009. i just want to start this new video that we found on youtube for our viewers. we've shown it twice before. at this point what most interests you about this crash, in terms of what you think went wrong? >> it's way too early, and it's way more complicated than that, but what i do know is that there's some huge advantages that the investigators have in this crash versus some recent ones. for example, the airplane and most of its components have landed on an airport and are immediately accessible easily to all the investigators. >> that helps tremendously? >> it helps tremendously. it's not on the bottom of the south atlantic as air france 441 was for several years. they're able to interview the flight crew.

huge advantage. the digital flight recorder was immediately recovered and already begun to be examined, these are all tremendous advantages and makes it much more likely we will eventually find out not only what happened, and how it happened, but why it happened, and that's going to be the key in this investigation. >> from what the ntsb is saying, the speed was too slow. barring technical problems, is there any reason a plane of this size should not have been able to land safely at this speed? to come into at the appropriate speed unless it had something to do with the pilot? >> it's too early to tell. there are many factors. human performance factors. there will are people that are investigating all of those. for example, was fatigue an issue here? as you said, this was a ten-hour flight overnight across the pacific from seoul, when they

landed in san francisco at 11:30 in the morning it was 3:30 in the morning on their body clocks. >> there were four pilots, that's for safety reasons? >> absolutely for safety reasons. >> they can get some rest and they're not required to be awake the entire time, so somebody has a chance to rest before the final critical part of the flight, which is the landing. >> would that mean that all four personnel are in the cockpit at the landing? or if one group is still -- how does that rotation work? >> that's not clear at this point. in fact, the ntsb chairman, deborah hersman, says that they're still not clear on that. i'm sure during the interviewers they're going to begin to answer some of those questions. there are many -- there are so many factor that could potentially impinge on this, that we don't no what they are yet. one way describing this whole investigation process, these investigators are charged with writing a nonfiction detective story that may require a year to complete. it may eventually have 1,000 pages and we're on page one. >> why a full year, they have the black box, there's plenty of

eyewitnesss, why would it take so long? >> we're just beginning to scratch the surface and discover a few data points, a few unrelated, uncorrelated facts. we haven't even figured out yet how big the puzzle is going to be, much less how big it is and where they're going to fit. then there has to be an analysis of it. this is a painstaking, methodical analytical process that -- among a variety of working groups, operations, human performance, structures, power plant, air traffic control, weather. they all have to come together, then they all have to test these theorys against the evidence to find which ones are the best fit. what often happens, the first guess is they're often wrong. or they're dead ends or they're not complete. they have to be modified, it's a scientific method process. ultimately leading to answers that are useful for improving safety and making this less

likely to happen. >> when you hear that a pilot's had 43 hours of flight experience on a plane like this, never done it at this particular airport, does that raise any -- is 43 hours a lot? is it not a lot? >> it's not a lot, however, this pilot obviously has 10,000 hours or something close to it, has been a pilot on another large airplane, the boeing 747. but there was a supervisory pilot, an instructor, check pilot,ext to him supervising him. i during my career was a check airman, one of the most enjoyable things i did was when we were hiring new pilots, to take them out after they had been through a month of ground school, to take them out on a airline flight with passengers in the back and supervise them and get them qualified to operate with a captain who wasn't an instructor. >> and to not have flown into

this airport on that plane before, is that one of those data points to look at as well? how difficult is it to fly into an airport you've never flown into? i guess every airport is different. >> every airport is unique. on a given day, the conditions may be different than a month later, a week later or a season later. the amount of time he had in this airplane wasn't necessarily a problem because he was with a supervisory instructor pilot. this was part of his operational experience to be gaining the knowledge and experience to be able to operate as a line pilot with a regular captain, a regular first officer. so at every point in an airline pilot's career, when they change from one airplane to another, they will start out with the time of zero to get the experience they need to be signed off and be fully qualified. they have to start at some point. >> these are all interesting data points they will consider, at this point we don't know what the right questions are yet, much less all the answers. >> interesting. appreciate your expertise, thanks for being on.

>> the action of first responders to get to a crash like that one as soon as possible is critical. gary tuchman caught up with the firefighters who were first on the scene, watch. >> reporter: it was only seconds after asiana flight 214 hit the seawall that chris emmons found out about it. >> the alert tone was sounded and the voice said, alert 3, alert 3. plane crash, plane crash. >> reporter: dave works with lieutenant emmons. they're based at the airport. >> how quickly did you get to the site of the crash? >> from the time the run came in, i'd say we were in there in a minute, less than a minute. >> we were very quick to the scene. >> lieutenant emmons and monteverdi were the first first responders to board the stricken

boeing 777. >> we climbed up the chute that deployed on the left-hand side. >> we conducted a search, and then we worked our way backwards, and the remaining passengers were in the back of the aircraft that weren't able to get out. >> it was more a chaotic situation in the back, it was not as neat as in the front of the plane. >> both san francisco firefighters initially saw four passengers trapped in the back of the plane. and tell me why they weren't able to get out. >> one was going in and out of consciousness. one was stunned and groaning. i think another one of the passengers had multiple fractures in her leg possibly. there was another who trapped in the overhead bins may have collapsed on her. >> lieutenant emmons also saw a fifth person lying flat. >> she was moaning, there were sounds coming from her. the language, you know, everybody in my mind was critical and we needed to get off that plane. >> we had to get her and brought her out, and we started carrying the others out. >> meanwhile, the situation was

getting more dangerous on the plane. >> once we saw the black smoke coming toward us, we had to get the last passenger off, we pretty much grabbed and ran -- not ran, but you know we hurried out of there. >> how concerned were you that you were in imminent danger of getting hurt or losing your life? you know better than i do that plan goes up fast. >> i didn't think of that. my concern was to get those passengers off the plane. that's all i thought about. >> if you didn't get them out as quickly as you did, they may not have survived? >> yes. >> you saved their lives. >> i guess you could say it that way, yes. >> other firefighters and police officers also went on the plane when the black smoke got too thick, they had to get off, but they got all the passengers off safely. one police officer told us he needed 15 minutes of an oxygen treatment once he got off that plane. anderson?

>> unbelievable. gary, appreciate it. up next, egypt explodes in violence, supporters of ousted president mohammed morsi clash. the latest from cairo ahead. parts of a small canadian town burn to the ground as a runaway train carrying crude oil explodes. search for the missing residents anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues with three strains of good bacteria. live the regular life. phillips'.

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parts of a small canadian town burn to the ground as a runaway train carrying crude oil explodes. search for the missing residents ahead. bloody day in egypt as the political crisis in the country worsens. at least 51 people were killed. in violent clashes between security forces and ousted members the supporters of mohamed morsi. the clash took place outside the headquarters of the republican guard. the military building in cairo in which morsi was believed to be held after his arrest last wednesday and may still be held.

both sides are blaming the other for the deadly violence. morsi supporters claimed supporters fired on then. hundreds of people were injured, tension has been building since morsi's ouster last week, his supporter's say he's egypt's demand he be reinstated. the obama administration has called on egypt's military to use restraint. it hasn't determined if morsi's ouster will be labelled a cue. -- coup. that means u.s. aid continues. ben wedeman is in cairo tonight. >> at this point there are obviously very different narratives coming from each side involved in this -- in the killings, what -- is it clear at this point what happened, exactly? >> no, it's not at all, anderson. according to the army police narrative, it was a group of terrorists that tried to launch an attack with molotov cocktails and weapons on to the headquarters of the republican guard. the supporters of deposed

president morsi are claiming that they were engaged in early morning prayers when this happened, they were fired upon. they're calling it a massacre, but certainly regardless of how it started and who started it, it has really raised the level of tension in this already very tense city. >> fouad, how do you see this? where do you see this going? >> you know, anderson, this is a major event and i think it's going to embarrass the army, it's going to embarrass the supporters of the army, and it's going to embarrass washington by extension. >> obviously, supporters of the military overthrow resist even using the term coupe. they say, look, this is an extension, a continuation of the revolution that occurred some two years ago, but in terms of what happens next, i mean, can one predict where this goes? i mean, if there are elections, would the muslim brotherhood be allowed to take part in upcoming

elections? >> well, anderson, we really don't know, we don't know what the future holds for egypt, but we do know there's a kind of irony, that egyptian society turned to the military, you have young people cheering the apache helicopters as it flies overhead. these were the same people that wanted the army out of politics. liberal society faced with the choice, the brotherhood on one hand or the army on the other, which has been the dilemma. the great choice in egypt. it choses -- it chose the army and now it has to see through the consequences of the domination of the army. >> ben, the interim president a while ago, issued a timetable for elections in reforming the constitution, do we know what that means and -- again, i guess the same question, do we know what elections would look like? would a group like the muslim brotherhood among those who oppose it, would they be allowed to participate? >> anderson, what's been released regarding the constitution puts the -- it's possible there could be elections as early as february

of next year, but really that is the question. is there going to be a role for the muslim brotherhood? the mood on the street, certainly around tahrir square, is that they don't want them to have a role. we're hearing the same sort of rhetoric to describe the muslim brotherhood that the previous regime used. that it was an illegal, terrorist organization. it's hard to envision how that would be acceptable to many egyptians. on the other hand, despite the fact that the brotherhood is down at the moment. they are an integral part of egyptian politics and whether illegal or otherwise, they were always a player on the political scene. and worry among many people here is that given basically this confrontation, this violent confrontation they're in with the military, it could transform from these massive street protests and clashes to something much worse along the lines of the terrorism that we

saw in the egyptian towns and cities during the 80s and 90s, that's the concern. >> fouad, in terms of the u.s. approach to this, it's difficult, i know you've been critical of the administration's past actions in the region. how do you see how they're playing it now, and what the role is down the road? >> well, you know, anderson, i don't think we have an overwhelming role in egypt that people think we have. we don't have that much influence. even with the military in egypt, where we think we can tell the military what our wishes are, they can defy these wishes, we have $1.5 billion in aid for the egyptian military, and some -- it's mostly military aid. that aid could be obtained from saudi arabia, from the united arab emirates. countries that have cheered this coup d'etat. i don't think we have that much influence.

>> fouad, do you see -- some say this is the downfall of political islam. this is political islam on its heels. do you agree with that? >> i do. i think it's the set back for the muslim brotherhood, ben wedeman gave us a cautionary note. we should never think that anyone could extubate the roots of the muslim brotherhood in egypt. they run deep. they run to the 1920s. the muslim brotherhood should always be in the game. many of the liberals if you will, begrudge the brotherhood, they ran for elections against the brotherhood and they lost. it sustained a setback in egypt and it even sustained minor setback in turkey, the troubles of erdogan. the story continues. it never ends, because there is no way that you could somehow cut down the roots of the muslim brotherhood, and there is no way

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