what the result, our hearts have to go out to her. >> and that's right, it is absolutely a real tragedy what happened here. make sure to follow me on twitter @jake tapper. i turn you over to wolf blitzer in "the situation room." >> thanks very much. happening now, a big day for george zimmerman's defense. a famed expert on gunshot wounds backs up his story. and soon we could get a ruling on whether jurors will see a dramatic piece of evidence, a computer animation of trayvon martin's fatal shooting. stand by. plus, we're also standing by for new information from federal investigators about the asiana airline crash and the interview with the pilot behind the controls during the disastrous landing. they've just completed that interview. >> and he might have been president of france until he was accused of sexual assault two years ago in a new york city

hotel. now dominique strauss kahn is talking exclusively to cnn and his deep anger about the way he was treated by the new york city police. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >> we're standing by for what could be a major bombshell ruling from the judge in the george zimmerman trial. she's deciding whether to allow jurors to see a computer animation of zimmerman shooting trayvon martin the way zimmerman says it happened. it could be a very powerful piece of evidence for the defense if it is allowed to be played in court before those six jurors. that's why the prosecution is objecting. a hearing on this issue is now under way without -- without the jury in the courtroom. you know what, let's listen in. >> you show in this animation an

initial contact between two figures, represented i assume to be trayvon martin and george zimmerman, right? >> correct. >> and whose testimony did you use to describe that -- to show, to depict that initial encounter? >> part of it is off of -- from the discovery that you gave us was -- >> i'm sorry, maybe i wasn't clear. whose testimony did you use? >> oh, testimony? >> yes, sir. >> your honor, maybe he can clarify, is he talking about trial testimony or pretrial testimony? >> i think it has to be consistent with testimony or evidence presented at trial. >> certainly. >> this is all of -- >> well, the witness can testify what he used and that's what the question is. >> i think he was confused by trial testimony. >> please let me finish. it has to be trial testimony or

evidence. the question to you is what trial testimony and/or evidence did you use to incorporate into your animation? >> for the initial contact, it was jennifer lauer's statement. >> according to what you understand her statement to be, you believe that she saw that occur? >> she didn't see it occur. she heard it occur. that was the point. >> you are, however, depicting it visually, right? >> correct. >> okay. she certainly didn't testify that she could depict it visually, right? >> she just pinpointed the initial contact point, where it started. >> she pinpointed it? >> at the t intersection to the left of where she was in the condo. >> somewhere to the left of her condo is where she first heard things, correct? >> correct. >> did she ever say that it must have started there?

>> shut off your phone. >> it's not mine. mine's here. >> is it in your pocket? no, it's on vibrate but it's not vibrating anymore. but it's not yours. go ahead. >> i'm sorry. your indication is that she, according to you, somehow testified that she knows that it must have started there? >> may i have ask a question? >> if you want a clarification, you can ask mr. mantei to clarify. >> so for evidence which the judge is asking, does that include police reports? >> no, sir. i want you to assume that any time i'm asking you about actual evidence or testimony, i mean something that has gone on in this courtroom during trial, okay? >> okay.

>> what someone said outside of court for right now i want you to assume that that is not evidence, okay? >> your honor, that's what i was trying to clear up earlier. it may not be as to ms. lauer but the witnesses -- you have to understand what's in trial. >> okay, i will explain that to him but i don't want you by your objection trying to infer to this witness how he should answer. >> exactly. >> it would be anything heard by the jury in this courtroom, either heard or seen by way of testimony or evidence introduced. that's what he means -- >> well, i'm not sure what that is because i was not allowed to watch the trial so -- >> then that's your answer. >> okay. >> so if i were to ask you does this animation accurately show what has been testified to in this trial, is your answer you

don't know? >> i'm not sure what the proceedings -- what went on in court. so according to the evidence that i have received and from your office -- >> well, i'm not talking about the discovery matters and all the stuff you used initially for the first set of animations and i'm not talking about what a lawyer may have told you. if i were to ask you does this animation accurately show what has been testified to in evidence in this courtroom, is your answer you don't know? and again -- >> my answer to that would be yes. if it's not in my consultations with the attorneys, it would have changed. so it's been adjusted to testimony in court. >> none of which you have heard or observed yourself.

>> correct. >> and none of which evidence you have actually seen yourself. >> none of the evidence which has been in court, yes. >> okay. so part of this animation shows this initial encounter where these two figures kind of walk up to each other and i believe you believe that the victim in this case, trayvon martin, was left-handed, right? you said that. >> i believe so, yes. >> and you don't show anybody jumping out of a bush, for example. >> there was no evidence. >> nothing? and you don't show anybody just sort of emerging out of the darkness or running out of the darkness. it's just these two people kind of walk up to each other and stand face to face tofor a whil right? >> for seconds, yes.

>> the animation also, you do show and plot various locations, springler boxes, right, and sprinkler heads, right? >> a couple trees? >> yes. >> and that's sort inform almost a 40-foot swath along that sloped ground that you've described, right? >> correct. >> however, the animation i saw kind of just takes a big white arrow from the point of that initial walk-up encounter and zooms to a place 40 feet away where essentially we then start to show the two figures bound up together, right? >> correct. >> and the reason for that is -- did they get teleported or what? >> that shows the direction of mr. martin and mr. zimmerman

consistent with witness testimony or witness reports, police reports, and with the trail of evidence going down that direction. >> the trail of evidence, you'd great with me, is just a trail. it by itself doesn't is a direction, right? in other words, whether it's going right to left or left to right as you're looking at it, the places where things are found doesn't independently have a direction until you start pringing in what other people have said about how it happened, correct? >> correct. the reason for the arrow is moving from the one witnessed event down to the next witnessed event. i didn't add anything in between there in terms of movement of the figures. >> because the animation cannot show it because you have no idea how it actually happened, right?

>> correct. >> now, when we get to the figures to where the figures reemerge, you have a representation of a figure that is to be john good, correct? >> yes. >> how tall is john good? >> 6 foot. >> and you got this information from the attorneys? >> yes. >> and where was he standing? >> there's a sliding glass door and the right side slides over. he was on the right side of the sliding glass door, the right door about a foot out from the door. >> about a foot. and where did you get that from? >> mr. good. >> from mr. good's in-court testimony? >> from consultation with the attorneys.

>> and as far as where on the patio he's standing, did you just pick a spot where you put the figure? >> it's just straight up from the door one foot. >> you don't know whether he stood to the left of the door, to the right of the door, straight out of the door, you just picked a spot. >> i didn't pick it. it's where he said he was standing. >> when he was here in court? >> through consultation with the attorney. >> was that before court? >> i'm not sure when it was. >> you have no idea is this. >> it was during trial but i'm not sure when. >> and he told you exactly where on the patio mr. good was sta standi standing? >> yes. >> that patio is how big by how big? >> i don't have the exact measurements. i believe it's about -- there's two pillars on the corner. i believe it's about seven and a half feet from one pillar to the other. >> did he tell you he was standing within one foot of this

pillar or -- >> he told me he was standing one foot out from the door, which are is where i placed him. >> this is daniel schumacher. he created this animation the defense requested. the prosecutor is questioning him. this is very, very important. the judge has to decide whether or not this animation, which is a lot of still photos basically, will be allowed to be shown to the jurors. the jurors are not in the courtroom right now but this could potentially swing those jurors if in fact they're allowed to see the videos, the still photos of what was created by daniel schumacher. the judge has allowed the jurors to leave for the day but she's continuing this hearing.

at stake is potentially a game changer if this animation is allowed to be used and shown to the jury. six women in that jury, five mothers. also coming up, a famed expert on gunshot wounds backs up key parts of george zimmerman's story but does he also undermine the defendant in the process? and we're standing by for new information from federal investigators about the asiana airline crash and their interview that they conducted today with the pilot who was behind the controls during that disastrous landing. when you do what i do, you think about risk. i don't like the ups and downs of the market, but i can't just sit on my cash. i want to be prepared for the long haul. ishares minimum volatility etfs. investments designed for a smoother ride. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus, which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses.

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we're standing by from a statement from deborah hersman from the national transportation safety board. today they had a chance to interview the pilot who landed that plane. he had very scant experience with the 777 and no experience landing one of those 777s at the san francisco airport, which can be tricky. today federal investigators, they questioned, they interviewed him. we're going to get information from debra hersman on what he had to say. we'll have coverage of that news conference coming up. stand by for that. in the meantime i want to go back to the george zimmerman trial. the jurors are not in the courtroom right now but they're continuing this hearing on whether or not a computerized animation on what happened in the exchange between trayvon martin and george zimmerman should be allowed to be shown as evidence to the jury. you see there rich mantei, one

of the prosecutors, he doesn't want that animation to be shown. the defense does. on the stand, daniel schumacher, a computer specialist in these kinds of animations and he's testifying. >> saw two figures doing x at the time jenna lauer was saying y. >> there's not any in-court testimony on it. >> there's not any out of court testimony on it either, is there? >> there's consultation with the attorneys on how long he was out there, when he went back in and when he came out. >> okay. and this is -- so again, you're integrating the visual perspective of one witness, who has no idea what jenna lauer might be doing because they're not even in the same house, right? >> it's not just based on jenna lauer's call, which he couldn't

hear at the time, but he can base it on when the gunshot went off. >> well, i understand when the gunshot went off, but what you're telling this court is prior to the gunshot going off, offer even afterwards, but certainly prior to the gunshot going off, that john good, visual witness, and jenna lauer, audio witness, neither of whom know anything about what the other is doing at the time, that you can match up the exact thing that john good is seeing when jenna lauer said something? >> if mr. good said he was in the condo at a particular time before the gunshot, you have a point when he went in to the

condo. he has a particular time of how long he was out there. so if you backtrack from the gunshot, can you determine from those when he came out and when he went back in. >> those times, of course, are absolutely not exact. those were all complete estimations, correct? right? i mean, john good never said i got a stop watch and i can tell you 30 seconds before the gunshot i went inside, right? >> it's an estimation on his part, correct. >> and it's therefore nothing more than an estimation on your part. you can only put in -- >> it's based on witness that was there that said how long he was out there. >> okay. >> and how long it was -- before the gunshot went off. >> here's what i want to focus on, sir, is that animation is very specific. you play a portion of that audio

recording in conjunction with supposed actual video or simulated video from john good's perspective. all based on nothing more than estimations. >> by the person that was witnessing it. >> and, therefore, by you as well because you can only put in what you got to work with, right? >> correct. >> so none of that could be said to be exact or accurate to the point that you can say for certain that that's what he was seeing at the time jenna lauer was saying a certain word, right? >> i don't think it has to be specific to the exact word that she was saying. >> well, your animation, though, makes it very specific, though, doesn't it? >> yes. >> there's nothing in that

animation that tells me the call is generally going on now and i'm not sure exactly what part this is. that animation shows exactly and sounds exactly that these things are going on at the same time, right? >> correct. this is a scenario according to witness and evidence. >> i'm sorry, which witness and which evidence that came out in court or are we back to estimations based on what attorneys told you? >> consultation with attorneys. >> all right, let's get some analysis of what's going on right now because this is extremely important, whether or not this animation, this video, the still photographs created by this daniel schumacher will in fact be allowed to be used and shown before the jurors. they are not in the courtroom right now. let get some analysis. jose baez is joining us right now, a well-known criminal

defense attorney, represented casey anthony and chris serino in this trial, one of the lead investigators in this case right now. also joining us, sunny hostin, our cnn legal analyst, former federal prosecutor and cnn's martin savidge. this is obviously very important what the judge, debra nelson, is going to decide. what does it look like to you as a criminal defense attorney? do you think she's going to allow this animation to be shown to the jurors? because if it is, it could be in the words of some analysts out there potentially a bonanza for the defense. >> well, what we're looking at right now it doesn't look very good for the defense at this point. this witness -- now, when it comes to demonstrative evidence, florida law is very liberal when you're looking at opening statements and closing arguments because that's not evidence. but when you're actually trying to introduce something as evidence, evidence is very specific and must be very

detailed, especially when you consider the appellate record that must be preserved. so in looking at this, this gentleman is testifying that he's basing a majority of this animation on consultation with the attorneys and not necessarily evidence that's actually been presented. i don't see how this works and i don't see how you can get around the argument that this is improper bolstering of a witness. >> sunny, i want you to weigh in because you told me earlier that if in fact the judge allows this animation to be shown, potentially it could be a game changer, it could really help the defense. >> absolutely. i mean, juries love demonstrations, they love visuals and what better than a computer animation of what happened that night. but i've got to tell you, wolf, i just -- i haven't seen this type of thing come in to a criminal case in quite some time. i mean certainly in civil cases you see -- in dui cases you see

a lot of this kind of animation, you see the accident reconstruction and i guess car accident type cases but the standard of proof is really different, right? we're talking about a mere tipping of the scales, a preponderance of the evidence as opposed to reasonable doubt. criminal judges are really loathe this evidence in because it starts encroaching on the jury's job. the jury isto listen to the evidence and apply the facts to what they heard and come to their conclusion. if you have a witness doing that for them and making a movie of it, that's a very different exercise. i can't imagine that it could come in but this judge has had a really long hearing, we're talking about already a couple of hours. and they had one about 90

minutes before the jurors came into the courtroom earlier this morning from around 8:30 a.m. local time until 10:00 a.m. so the judge is giving both sides a lot of opportunity to mack their respect of cases. yesterday she sided with the defense in saying that marijuana use in the toxicology report of trayvon martin could be admitted as evidence. this is a little bit more dicey right now and potentially a whole lot significant. >> it's significant for a couple reasons. you know the defense is getting redity wrap up. they announced that today. so they are at the ending point. and the problem is they know that there is about a two-minute gap really from when george zimmerman hung up the phone with authorities and when the first witnesses really begin to say they know or could see clearly what happened. because the real focus has been on something that happened totally in the dark, in which no one really saw clearly other than the two participants that

were taking part. so that's why this animation the defense hopes fills that gap in the minds of jurors, and of course it will fill it in a way that the defense says favors them. so that's what they're worried about, that this jury could be sent off with still questioning, doubting that two-minute gap and that means it could go either way and the defense doesn't want that kind of gamble. they want it to go their way. >> and rich mantei seems to be scoring some points in undermining that this is a reliable de -- depiction of what

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looking at live pictures from inside the courtroom right now in the george zimmerman murder trial. that's rich mantei, one of the state prosecutors who is questioning daniel schumacher on this animation that he created. the defense really wants this animation to be shown to the jurors. the jurors are not in the courtroom right now. it shows a recreation of what happened between trayvon martin and george zimmerman. the prosecution doesn't want this to be shown. they're arguing it strictly speculative, if you will. the judge will make a imagine decision on that momentarily. we'll continue or monitoring.

and an expert on gun wounds seemed to do damage to the prosecution. he testified in great detail about trayvon martin's bullet wound and his now famous hoodie, that sweatshirt that he was wearing. he says the evidence is consistent with zimmerman's account that martin was leaning over him when he shot him. listen to this. >> if you lean over somebody, you would notice that the clothing tends to fall away from the chest. if instead you're lying on your back and somebody shoots you, the clothing is going to be against your chest. so that the fact that we know the clothing was two to four

inches away is consistent with somebody clean leaning over the prn person doing the shooting and that the clothing is two to four inches away from the person firing. >> you may consider in your opinion as well that the clothing was wet. mr. martin's shirt was described as being damp, that it had been raining that night and that when it was photographed at the medical examiner's office the next day, it was obviously wet in places. you may also consider that the responding officers found an unopened can of a beverage in the front pouch of mr. martin's hooded sweatshirt. this is in evidence as

experience 148, an unopened 23 ounce can of fruit beverage. >> yes. >> do you find those facts consistent with what you saw as well as consistent with what mr. zimmerman said happened? >> this would tend to reinforce because the reason that the clothing as you bend forward, the clothing falls away from the body is gravity. now, if you have wet clothing, the clothing is heavier and there's going to be a greater tendency to fall. and if you have something in the front pulling the shirt down as you lean over, again, it tends to pull away from the body. so the wound itself by the gap, by the powder tattooing in the face of contact of the clothing

indicates that this is consistent with mr. zimmerman's account that he -- that mr. martin was over him, leaning forward at the time he was shot. >> that was just one of several key moments in dr. di maio's testimony that supported zimmerman's claim that he shot martin in self-defense. jose baez is joining us. also joining us is sunny hostin and our legal correspondent jean casarez. it looks like that testimony was pretty strongly in favor of the defense, jose. how important was it? >> it's extremely important. for one thing, and that is that this trial has moved into a direction of who was on top, whose voice is that. wolf, i know vince di maio, i've worked with him. his book on gunshot wounds is the bible when it comes to

gunshot wounds and is used by every forensic pathologist across the country. what this man says is extremely important. but the fact of what he says it's consistent with isn't necessarily definitive but the lack of prosecution on this issue gave it a lot more weight than it could have been. it still doesn't answer the question of who was the initial aggressor, who started this fight. the fact that at a certain point mr. zimmerman was on the bottom. i don't necessarily -- i wouldn't say it was a home run but it certainly is powerful testimony. >> did the prosecutors do a good job, sunny, in cross-examining this witness dr. di maio? >> i think so. a witness like, this a world renowned expert on gunshot wounds, you don't cross-examine that type of witness on his

credentials because you can't. what you do is you change the narrative. that's what this prosecution did. the defense wants this case to be about who's yelling and who's on top because their case is about self-defense, about justifiable force. now of course the prosecution's case is about second degree murder. their case is about who started this fight because if george zimmerman started the fight, then bottom line is, you know, self-defense becomes a bit trickier for him because he's got to meet other prongs. he can't just say, oh, i shot in self-defense. that's what the prosecution did coming right out of the game. he said you're not testifying about who threw the first punch, right? dr. di maio said no. you're no testifying about who started the fight? no. they also got him to concede a couple of points that will be helpful. he said he doesn't trust eyewitness testimony because they're always wrong. i think that really hurt the

defense's case and i think it was helpful to the prosecution that he did concede that trayvon martin could have been backing away. that shows that perhaps george zimmerman wasn't in reasonable fear of dying and didn't exhaust all means of getting away, which is what he would have to do if he started the fight. >> you were inside and i know you kaeept a close eye on the women in the jury. >> i did. any time you're in the courtroom and a renowned witness came and the jury was watching, listening, taking notes up and down, looking at demeanor. one thing important that he testified to is he believes there are six separate impacts to george zimmerman's head. that's important if one is

reasonably in fear of imminent death. he said there are two lacerations to his head. what he said, though, is it was from two different impacts to the head because there was a deep valley between the two. and then there were two abrasions, two more impacts. his nose was displaced to the side because there was so much swelling. he believed that somebody placed that nose back in the position it should have been and then the last injury he said was to the forehead, a punch to the forehead of george zimmerman. >> all right, everyone, stand by. we're going to continue to monitor what's happening in the courtroom right now. the judge has to make a very important decision on an animation that may or may not allowed to be shown to the jurors. we're also looking closely at how the prosecution tried to use the defense's forensic against them. we're standing by for new information from federal

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we've been telling you about a powerful witness today for george zimmerman's defense, a renowned expert on gunshot wounds. dr. di maio was asked about claims that trayvon martin put his hand over his mouth and nose during their scuffle. >> he's got blood there, right? >> right. >> okay. i put my hand over that, right? >> okay. >> what do you expect my hand to have on it? >> blood. >> sir, wouldn't you agree that photograph i just showed you that i put my hand over, you said you would expect blood on my hand.

wouldn't you agree if he was bleeding look that, if he's standing the blood would go down, right? if he's bleeding from the nose? >> it depends how profusely but eventually it will go down. >> now, if i'm playing flat from my back and i'm bleeding from my nose, the blood will go inward, correct? >> partially. some will go out and some will go in. >> so it will be more difficult for me to swallow or to speak if bloods coming down, correct? >> depends how profusely you're bleeding. >> sure. assuming i was bleeding profusely and assuming i had a bloody nose or a fractured nose and i'm laying down, the blood would go into my mouth eventually? >> yes, sir. >> let's bring back our panel. jean, give us your analysis of what we just heard because this was part of the cross-examination, the effort to undermine a little bit what dr. di maio was saying on behalf of the defense. >> and undermine the credibility

of george zimmerman, that george zimmerman was lying when he said that trayvon was putting his hands on his mouth as he was trying to scream for help and no blood was found on trayvon's hand. and another expert has testified that possibly when he was laying down, george zimmerman, that the blood would be going down his throat, it wouldn't be coming out of his mouth because of the force of gravity at that point. so the prosecution trying to show with the witness that in fact the blood come could out of his nose. >> sunny, what's your analysis? >> yeah, i thought that that was okay cross-examination. i don't know that the prosecution got that much out of it. like jean, i think they got out of it that perhaps george zimmerman was lying when he said he was the one screaming for help. you can't really scream for help if you've got blood in your throat. but what i think was good for the prosecution is the defense is trying to have both ways, wolf. they're trying to say, one, his

nose was so bloody because trayvon martin munpunched him i the nose and they're also saying trayvon martin covered his face with his hands, his nose and mouth with his hands causing him not to be able to breathe. you can't really yell for help and also say that somebody covered your mouth and there's no blood evidence on that person's hands. so i think it was helpful to show the inconsistencies in george zimmerman's voice -- testimony rather, but i don't know if it was that helpful. >> let me get jose to weigh in. >> to piggy bag on to what sign is saying, is he also screaming for help and also how could you be banging his head and covering his mouth? it's kind of difficult to do something like that while you're trying to cover someone's mouth up. but if later on if the state

wants to, they could show dna swabs from trayvon martin's hands to show whether there was actual dna from george zimmerman on his hands. i don't know if that's coming but certainly if they have it, that's the time to use it. >> it came already. and that has come in already, jose. that has come in already that there was none of george zimmerman's dna under trayvon martin's finger nails, on either hand, there was no blood found on his hand. >> that's not what i'm talking about. i'm talking about the swabs of his hand, not the finger nails or the search for blood. if his hands were actually swabbed for dna and they are not george zimmerman's dna, that's the time the state should use it. so that may come. >> here's the challenge. here's the challenge according to the evidence with all that. his body lay out on that grass for three hours that night as it was raining before it was taken

to the medical examiner's office. >> it doesn't matter. it would just degrade the dna. it wouldn't get rid of it all together. you can have bodies submerged in water and still get dna from it. >> i think the medical examiner who did the autopsy said he didn't see anything on the hands, any blood or anything, and as a result he didn't do any examination from it. i want to alert our viewers we're standing by for a news dprons from the national transportation safety board on the asiana crash and the pilots on board. what did we learn from that interview? stand by. you really couldn't have come at a better time.

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get back to the evidence hearing in the george zimmerman trial momentarily. also we're standing by for that news conference from the ntsb on the pilot. there is a live picture from san francisco. expect that to be starting soon. in the meantime, there's an intriguing story coming into cnn. the former head of the monetary fund is blasting new york city police for making him walk in front of cameras after his arrest in 2011. dominique strauss-kahn pleaded not guilty. prosecutors dropped all charges against him. now he's speaking out exclusively to cnn.

and joining us now from paris, richard quest who had an exclusive interview with dominique strauss-kahn who one day might have been the president of france. he was the managing director of the international monetary fund. but he got himself into deep trouble. what did he have to say to you, richard? >> reporter: it was one of the most startling images of the whole incident back in 2011. the sight of the managing director of the imf having been accused of rape in handcuffs. the so-called perpetrator walk. much loved and used in new york as he's paraded in front of the press being taken from police station to prison or to the courts. dominique strauss-kahn has never really spoken about how he felt being made to do the perp walk. until now when he described the walk as terrible.

>> i think it was a terrible thing, frankly. but only because it's difficult to live with. the problem is that it's a moment where in all your appeal american society, you're supposed to be innocent. you're supposed to be innocent until you're convicted. and the perp walk takes place at a moment where you're supposed to be innocent. and so what happens, you just show him to everybody as if you're a criminal. at a moment nobody knows whether it's true or not. maybe you're a criminal, maybe you're not. it will be proved later on. so it's just unfair to put people in that way in front of the rest of the world when you just don't know what they have done. >> did you feel that at the time? >> well, i was angry. because at this moment i didn't understand what was going on. i didn't understand why i was there. i was just understanding that

something was going on that i didn't control. >> reporter: now, dominique strauss-kahn wasn't the only person who was angry. here in france the public were angry. because in this country you can't show people in handcuffs publicly until they have been convicted. so the perp walk, wolf, that moment that has become so identified with the whole new york incident, now we know how the man involved felt about it. >> what is he saying now, richard, about that allegation that he raped that woman? that housekeeper in that hotel? >> reporter: remember the charges were dismissed on the motion of the prosecution. and because nothing illegal took place and because he's not been convicted, his simple comment is what took place in that room, he admits to having sex. he admits to that. he says it's a private matter. when i asked him, well, why did you pay off the maid? he said, simple.

under u.s. law it would have taken longer and could have cost me more. it was quicker to settle, pay the money, and get on with my life. >> richard quest in paris with us. thanks very much for that report. deborah hersman, the chairman of the ntsb briefing reporters on the crash in san francisco. >> our structures and systems group worked on some documentation of the cockpit. they made the following direct observations with respect to switch positions and information that specific evidence in the cockpit. they found that the flight is director was on for the righting seat. it was off for the left seat. the auto-throttles were armed. all three fire handles were

extended, and these would activate bottles to put out fliers because the crew is concerned there could be a fire if they have this crash in both engines and the apu. and so they saw that this was extended for all three locations. flaps were set to 30. the speed brake lever was down, which indicates that it was not being used. our survival factors team yesterday was their first day to go inside the aircraft. they are removing overhead bags and personal effects in the aircraft and working to document things inside the cabin. there are efforts to sift through the burned wreckage in the section of the aircraft that

has extensive fire damage. and they're documenting the seating compartment. there are over 300 seats on the aircraft and our team is working to document them for survivability analysis purposes. we're working to obtain a passenger manifest to understand seating locations for the passengers. and we also want to use this to help identify fatalities and injuries and seating positions. specific seating positions and injuries or lack thereof. they've removed all of the slides from the aircraft. there were eight doors and eight slides that were removed. one of the doors, door 4 left, was outside of the aircraft on the ground at the crash site.

the other seven doors are attached to the airframe. while out at the accident site, i had an opportunity to walk the entire debris field from the aircraft to the seawall and back. when you get down to the seawall, you can identify where the first strikes took place. first the mainlanding gear impacted the seawall. and then the tail. you can see pieces of the cabin, sections of the cabin that are found very early on in the debris field. you can see aircraft parts, galley materials, newspapers, magazines, and flooring. we began interviewing the cabin crew today as well as airport

operations, airport rescue and firefighting personnel, and other emergency response personnel. we're looking very closely at the evacuation. we're looking at videos. we're interested, of course, talking to cabin crew and the flight crew as well as the surviving passengers to understand what was going on. many of you had questions about the evacuation, so i'm going to give you some basic background on full scale evacuation requirements. the faa requires full scale evacuation of the maximum seating capacity requested for certification of an aircraft. the test has to be conducted using test passengers who are unfamiliar with the aircraft cabin's arrangement and

represent a diverse range of ages and genders. half of the exits are to be blocked. only emergency lighting is permitted to simulate darkness. and the aisles and passageways are littered with pillows, blankets, and luggage. the test is considered successful if all of the aircraft's occupants exit within 90 seconds. the manufacturer typically uses a line cre to serve as the flight crew and the cabin crew during this evacuation exercise. our ops or our operations in human performance team has spent the last day and a half interviewing the crew members. when i briefed you yesterday, i

had indicated that they were conducting interviews yesterday. the interviews took longer than our team expected. they interviewed two of the flight crew members yesterday. and they are interviewing two of the flight crew members today. they've completed three of the four interviews, and the fourth interview is being conducted now. i'm going to talk to you about the four flight crew members. i'm going to share with you some information about their experience as relaid to our investigators during the interviews and some of their observations that they reported to our team. all of the crew members have been very cooperative and very forthright with our team. the interviews took a little bit longer than expected because we wanted to make sure they were very thorough and there were translation needs.

and so that required a slower pace. the information that the asiana crew members provided has not been validated by our investigators comparing it to their paper records. and so this is information that's been relaid by the individual pilots. and it could be modified if we review and compare it to paper records. i'm going to provide you a summary of the high points. there were three pilots in the cockpit at the time of the crash. there was one pilot who was in the back seated in the cabin during the approach and landing into san francisco. i'm going to talk to you about the pilots and i'm going to refer to them as the pilot flying who was sitting in the left seat, the instructor pilot

who was seated in the right seat, the relief first officer who was sitting in the jump seat, and the relief captain who was sitting in the cabin. so first i'm going to talk about the pilot flying. the pilot in the left seat. he reported to our investigators that he had 9700 hours of total flight time. he had about 5,000 hours as pilot in command. this was his initial operating experience in the 777. to complete initial operating experience for asiana, he's required to have 20 flights and 60 flight hours. he had ten legs -- he had

completed ten legs. and about 35 hours flying the 777. so he was about halfway through his initial operating experience on the 777. he was hired in 1994. he did his initial training in florida. the flying pilot is rated in the 737, the 747, the a-320, and the 777. he was a ground school instructor and a sim instructor for the a-320, a-321. he was a captain on the a-320 from 2005 to 2013. immediately prior to his initial operating experience on the 777, he was flying as a captain on the a-320.

the instructor pilot, this is the pilot who is seated in the right seat. he's also a captain. he reported to our investigators that his total flight time is 13,000 hours. he estimated he had about 3,000 hours in the 777. his total pilot in command time was about 10,000 hours. he had been in the korean air force for ten years. he reported that this was his first trip as an instructor pilot. the instructor pilot stated that he was the pilot in command. he was sitting in the right

seat. this was the first time that he and the flying pilot that he was instructing had flown together. the relief first officer who was sitting in the jump seat reported to our investigators that he had 4,600 hours flight time. he estimated that he had 900 to 1,000 hours flying a 777. he flew f-5s and f-16s in the korean air force. he had flown to san francisco five or six times as the pilot monitoring. the fourth pilot who was serving as the relief captain was not in the cockpit for the approach. as i mentioned, he was seated in the cabin.

his interview is currently underway. here are some observations from the crew members that have been interviewed. and again, this information needs to be corroborated with the cockpit voice recorder and other information. we are reporting to you what the witnesses stated in their interviews. >> okay. this information, again, came from the crew interviews. approach asked them to maintain 180 knots until they were about

5 miles out. this aircraft has a max 160 knots to put down the landing flaps for their final configuration. the crew relaid, again, additional information. the pilot that was sitting in the jump seat, the relief first officer, identified that he could not see the runway or the pat from his seated position. and that the aircraft -- the nose was pitched up, so he couldn't see the runway. the instructor pilot stated that -- and this is the best of his recollection in the interview -- that they were slightly high when they passed 4,000 feet. that they set vertical speed

mode at about 1,500 feet per minute. at about 500 feet he realized that they were low. he reported seeing three red and one white. he told the pilot to pull back. they had set speed at 137 knots. and he assumed that the auto-throttles were maintaining speed. between 500 feet and 200 feet, they had a lateral deviation and they were low. they were trying to correct at that point. at 200 feet he noticed the fore paths were red. on the speed tape and he

recognized that the auto-throttles were not maintaining speed. and he established a go-around attitude. he went to push the throttles forward, but he stated that the pilot had already -- the other pilot had already pushed the throttles forward. there was a description of the event. and again this is from the interviews of the crew. that after the impact, the aircraft ballooned. it yawed left. and it went into a 360 degree spin. of the individuals in the cockpit, the first officer was the one that received medical

treatment. he was hospitalized and released. he had a cracked rib. neither of the other two pilots that were in the cockpit were admitted to the hospital. there have been some questions about operations before an air carrier and what the requirements are for air carriers from other countries versus operations in the united states. i want to say we're at the beginning of the investigation. we're gathering information. we're doing documentation. we will have an opportunity to look at all of that information down the road, but if you want specific details about what is required, what the regulations are with respect to training in the u.s. versus other countries, i would refer you to the federal aviation administration who may

be able to provide you more detail at this time. our public affairs staff can provide you contact information after the press conference about how to get in touch with them. drug and alcohol testing is required for part 121 carriers. part 121 carriers are commercial operators based in the united states. part 129 refers to those commercial operators that are based in foreign countries. under part 121 requirements, crews involved in an accident are required to be tested for drugs and alcohol. we made inquiries after our arrival on scene regarding drug and alcohol testing. none of the crew members on asiana flight 214 were tested for drugs and alcohol prior -- post-crash.

>> all right. so there you hear it from deborah hersman. the chair of the national transportation safety board. they have now interviewed the three pilots who were in the cockpit when that asiana plane crashed in san francisco. including the pilot who was in control. and she confirms that that pilot was only learning how to fly a 777 and had very limited experience, 35 hours flying a boeing 777. and no experience landing that boeing 777 in san francisco. the other pilot who was his instructor did have extensive experience, 3,000 hours, flying a 777. but he apparently was not in control. the pilot with limited experience was and clearly there were miscalculations based on what she is telling us, coming in way too slow, coming in way

too low. as a result that tail clipped the seawall and we all know what happened as a result. we're going to have much more in this investigation. stand by. we're also going to show you from a pilot's perspective what it's like to land at the san francisco international airport. it's not easy by any means, especially in a huge jumbo jet. plus gripping testimony about the fatal shot and the final minutes of trayvon martin's life. we're going back live to sanford, florida. much more on that story coming up. lots of news happening today right here in "the situation room." ♪ ♪ chances are, you're not made of money, so don't overpay for boat insurance.

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yes you do. you gotta take care of your baby? oh yeah! we're continuing to follow the breaking news. new details just coming out about the crash of the asiana airlines flight 214 at san francisco international airport. the chairman of the ntsb deborah hersman has been briefing the news media. you've been watching her live here in "the situation room." dan simon has been watching and monitoring. he's been covering this from the very beginning. there were four pilots on that plane, dan. there were three in the cockpit. one a relief pilot was way in

the back part of the plane but the two pilots in control, one had a lot of experience flying a 777, landing many times in san francisco. the other one, very limited experience. had never done it before. and we now know what happened. >> reporter: and those two people had never been teamed up before. they were in that plane together for the very first time. and that pilot had less experience than we previously thought. he had only 35 hours experience flying that plane. we were originally led to believe he had 40 hours flying that plane. whether or not that makes a difference, we don't know. but the bottom line is these were two people who had never flown together before. and obviously what the ntsb is trying to figure out is if they made some bad decisions. that's really the focus here. what was going on inside that cockpit. another thing that was interesting is that during the interviews with one of the pilots, they seemed to indicate

that the auto-control throttles were at a certain level. as we know, the plane was supposed to be at 137 knots when it was supposed to make an approach to the runway. instead it was going slower. they thought the controls were set to the appropriate level when, in fact, they weren't. those are just some of the highlights we're hearing at this point. >> it looks like they clearly for whatever reason miscalculated as to the speed they were coming in, and they were very, very low. obviously at the time as well. i'm sure they got useful information. deborah hersman also saying all of these four pilots, they are all cooperating with this investigation. landing at the san francisco international airport certainly can be very, very challenging for a pilot who's not used to it. cnn's paul vercanon is joining us right now. what are you finding out specifically about san francisco? >> reporter: well, wolf, when we took to the air with a flight

instructor, he told us that when you cross over where the water meets the runway, that seawall, you should be 200 feet in the air. and clearly with this flight, that was not the case. >> i'm here with the flight instructor. we're taking the exact same path that the 777 took into sfo on a parallel runway. what's going through your mind as you approach? >> right now i have to make sure my air speed is sufficient. making sure i don't go below my minimum approach speed. which i am currently way above that right now. so right now i look at the glide path, make sure it's a nice visual glide path and make sure i run past the runway and try to land on the marker. i want to reach my air speed now. constantly monitoring the outside visual, and making sure i'm not coming short or long. and 200 feet below where the seabed is.

>> anything unusual about landing at this airport? >> you can see right over here, the runways are really close. they are paired probably around between 750 feet. if the other runway was in use, we would make sure to look constantly to our left to see the traffic next to us. also you have to make sure there is traffic holding wait to take off. as soon as we touch down, we have a 777 right here waiting to take off. just like it was on saturday morning. >> when you hit 400 feet, what goes through your mind? >> we're at about 400 feet. now i want to make sure i'm stabilized, which i am. this is when i say i'm landing into the aircraft. right now at 200 feet then crossing the seabed at about 200 feet. then off to our left is the crash. up over the runway, what i'm doing is making sure i come in. and i'm making sure i have enough space. this is where most aircraft would land.

that's where you see where most tires would touch down. >> as we pass the 777, well short of that thousand-foot marker. >> reporter: and back to that thousand-foot target. that's 1,000 feet from the water's edge. clearly the plane way short. >> you heard deborah hersman of the ntsb make that point during the news conference. you saw it live here in t"the situation room". paul, thanks for doing that for us. up next, the train may be the center of a criminal investigation. also, the dramatic testimony today about trayvon martin's final moments. how long did he live after george zimmerman shot him? that's coming up as well. our fu♪ ♪ hooking up the country helping business run ♪ ♪ build! we're investing big to keep our country in the lead. ♪ load! we keep moving to deliver what you need. and that means growth, lots of cargo going all around the globe. cars and parts, fuel and steel,

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video. the only warning to residents asleep in their homes, a series of deafening explosions. >> when i got up, another big bang came up. i saw another ball of fire going all across the street. and i start running, you know. >> reporter: clutching his 4-year-old daughter, he ran as far away from the train and the 73 cars of crude oil that had erupted. at least 40 buildings were vaporized including a popular bar packed with customers. >> i had a lot of friends in there. who was there. still missing. >> reporter: the fire raged for almost two days. so massive it could be seen from

outer space. officials on the ground described it as a crematorium and are having great difficulty identifying the remains. in a dramatic turn of events late this afternoon, police confirmed they have found evidence of tampering and that this is a criminal investigation. the company that owns the freight train has maintained it believes this disaster is an act of sabotage. the locomotive event recorder has been recovered, but investigators are having problems accessing the site due to toxic and hazardous material. >> namely there are pieces that might lead us to believe that there are certain facts that might come to criminal acts. >> reporter: some say it's a miracle they survived. nothing remains of their homes. and the elderly not able to escape are almost certainly dead. >> that's what we sthn.

all gone. we live. tomorrow is far away. >> reporter: wolf, as you heard from those residents, this is a town in mourning. but it's also a very tight-knit community. we're seeing a lot of resilience and solidarity. a lot of people helping one another. despite this tragedy and this enormous loss of life, this community will rebuild. >> hope so. anna coren, thanks so much. up next, gripping testimony about the fatal shot in trayvon martin's life. plus the three women held captive in cleveland, they are speaking out for the first time. hear their message to the world in their own words. mom, dad told me that cheerios is good for your heart, is that true? says here that cheerios has whole grain oats that can help remove some cholesterol, and that's heart healthy. ♪

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the judge in the george zimmerman murder trial making a major decision -- about to make a major decision. whether to allow an animation that the defense wants to be played for the jurors. this is judge debra nelson. i think she's getting ready to reach a decision. i want to listen in briefly. >> there is more than one person. he went to look out of his glass sliding door which had the blinds drawn. he cracked the blinds, there was a light on the porch. he could only see someone or something out there. he opened the blinds and the glass sliding door. he took one step onto the concrete, looked like a tussle. could not see an object. then he described how they were vertical on the ground. he yelled out what's going on. then my point being is he doesn't give another time other than when he heard the gun shot

was while he was trying to connect with 911. so that would give us a time. and he said in cross that the entire time he was watching was eight to ten seconds. did that begin when he was looking out the blinds, the crack of the blinds? or did that begin when he took a step out onto the porch and observed that? i don't know. that wasn't testified to. so i'd like to know. in this animation, where more lauer's 911 call fits into his testimony. >> i can tell you this. his call connected at 19:17:15. that is in evidence. >> that's 7:17, 15 seconds. >> you know the call started at 2:26 -- i'm sorry. 19:16:11. and that it is 45 seconds into

the call or at 7:16.56 that the gun shot goes off. >> and that different from the timeline that you have up on here in connection with where he was and what he saw. >> i disagree, but i understand the court's concern. that if you -- of course, the way where i believe it lines up is if you use the gun shot at the -- as the precise moment of the two calls. not that it was on the call, but if it took mr. good somewhere around 15 to 20 seconds to get the call, place it, and wait for it to connect, we don't have that testimony, but we do have mr. lauer's testimony who also testified about 20 seconds or so about making the phone call and connect. >> he didn't say making the phone -- he said he was waiting for it to connect. and we'll have to look back, i guess, in the record to see if my notes were correct on that or not. i'm saying these are just my

notes. >> sure. >> but as i recall him saying, he was dialed the 911 and was waiting for it to connect. a few seconds here or there. but then again, there's the eight to ten seconds that he viewed this? >> and the 30-second gap between the connection time and the gun shot call and everything else. the court has hit upon the central problem here and that is there is no hard and fast ability to say this is the accurate case. >> it doesn't have to be exact. you know, so i don't -- i don't necessarily have a problem with other parts of it. but when you're trying to overlay a 911 call with the animation, i think it has to be closer to exact than not closer. >> i understand. and i might be able to fix that by recalling mr. good to get a couple questions answered by him. i want to make sure that -- well, i have the right to.

>> i'm shaking my head because we're having a hearing now. >> i understand. >> i'm not going to have this hearing go on for days and days. this is the hearing now. i guess i should not have -- can i please finish? okay. i guess i should not have commented, then this wouldn't have come up and i could just rule on it after you're finished. i'm not making these comments to cause you to call mr. good into this hearing. we have a transcript of what his testimony is. or we could have a transcript as to it. i'll stop talking, let you finish with your evidence, and then i'll make my comments. >> i guess my response was going to be to the court that if it is accurate and seems to be undisputed in evidence that mr. good's phone call was connected at 7:17.15 and if we have

evidence from miss lauer that the decision to make -- >> all right. we're getting ready for a decision. the judge debra nelson, she doesn't want to prolong this hearing on whether or not this computerized animation should be allowed to be shown to the jurors as evidence. she wants to wrap it up and she's going to do so. and it sounds like she's pretty skeptical about what the defense wants. but let's bring in ashley banfield, our cnn anchor who's been watching and covering this trial from sanford, florida. also sunny hostin our legal analyst. ashley, first to you. i could be wrong, but it sounds like she's going to reject this request from the e defense to go ahead and allow this animation to be shown. but what's your sense? >> oh, i'm never going to guess ahead of judge debra nelson. she's been a remarkable presence in this courtroom since the beginning. she rules this courtroom with an iron fist. what i am surprised at is that it is such a big issue. i mean, i've seen this happen in

trials before, but not that often. it is a little bit weird to sort of have a cartoon-esque reenactment of a crime that comes from the theory of one side. i'd be surprised if she lets it in. but i was surprised that o.j. wasn't convicted. i always say that. >> you know what? we were all surprised about that. sunny, what do you think? what is it shaping up from your expert analysis? >> yeah. i think it's pretty clear from the judge's recent comments that she's uncomfortable with this tape. with this reenactment. you do see reenactments in civil cases. you see them sometimes in dui cases, because that's more of an exact science. you have people to measure the skid marks. they can, you know, talk about the size of the cars and the speed of the cars. this is a very different kind of case. we're talking about people moving around based on what witnesses may or may not have seen or heard. and so i think so the judge is

uncomfortable with it. judges are really low to let in this kind of, i guess, reenactment when it almost encroaches on what the jury should be deciding which is what really happened that night. the jury should be the ones listening to the evidence, listening to the witnesses deciding credibility and deciding whose version of events they believe. not through the prism of someone else's reenactment. >> and it could be powerful for the defense because it would basically back up what the defense position as far as george zimmerman and trayvon martin. mark, i want you to watch. just a little while ago, they did show the beginning part of the animation that was prepared by daniel schumaker. that's his job, basically, to create this kind of evidence. watch this. >> -- where does that come from that gave you the foundation to create that portion of the animation? >> from mr. zimmerman's video

walk through. >> the arrow which we talked about a moment ago. is that what you talked about being the arrow instead of having the actual figures move without any witnesses to identify them? >> yes. >> okay. let's stop here for one second. this is what we now know -- >> all right. so you get a sense of what's at stake. the jurors have not seen any of this. it's all being shown in this courtroom for the judge's benefit. what do you make of these late developments, mark? >> look, i think it's a gift if the judge keeps it out for the defense. i think that the defense had noble cause here, but i think that you're hearing from this very grueling examination that the prosecution is giving. it's a tipoff as to how they would examine it that it's admitted into evidence. i think the defense has put on a

very strong case, and this is going to be towards the end of their case. i think they're going to have troubles with this particular witness. he's an expert in his field, but i feel sorry for this guy up there. this guy hates being up there. i think if i was the defense after hearing all this, even if the judge lets it in, i wouldn't put it in. i don't think they need it. i think it's subject to great cross examination. and i think it's going to be towards the end of their case which is the last thing they want to do is have a weak witness set the conclusion of the defense case as we saw in the state's case. >> you make a great point there. the state prosecutor did a great job cross examining daniel schumaker. and he did that without the jurors present. if he was to do that with the jurors present, that could undermine what the defense is trying to achieve. guys, thanks very much. we're going to continue to monitor if the judge reaches a decision on this sensitive issue. we'll of course have coverage of that. also coming up, egypt's new

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the obama administration says it's cautiously encouraged -- direct quote. cautiously encouraged after egypt's interim president today outlined a timetable for new elections. telling our chief international correspondent christiane amanpour there will be elections within seven months. but as the muslim brotherhood buries the dead from this week, the military is issuing tough warnings. let's go to ben wedeman. he's in cairo for us as he has been through the entire crisis. is the stage set for more violence or are things going to ease up? >> reporter: well, things have eased up a bit today, wolf, because it's the beginning of the holy month of ramadan. many people spending a lot of time today buying supplies for a month when there is a lot of entertaining to do, a lot of social visits. but we did hear from the

military who issued a statement saying they will not tolerate any disruption to what they call this difficult transition. now, they have issued -- rather the interim government have now issued they have an interim prime minister that is has hasam bablowi. he's a finance minister. he's set out what's a road map for a return to full civilian control with elections as early as february of next year. the problem, of course, in all of this is that the muslim brotherhood is refusing to have anything to do with any attempt to restore normal government here. they continue to insist that mohamed morsi is the legitimate president of egypt and say they will continue to hold these demonstrations and protests in the street.

the interim president has sort of put out an olive branch to the muslim brotherhood suggesting he would employ or rather hire and bring in some members of the freedom and justice party. that's the political wing of the muslim brotherhood as ministers in the government all word so far is the muslim brotherhood will reject any such offers. >> tell our viewers, ben, about the troubles you have had in cairo in recent days. because i know not just cnn but a lot of the international media have had some major problems. what's going on? >> reporter: there's a lot of anger at the international media for calling what happened here just a few days ago when mohammmohamed morsi was dismissed by the military for calling it a coup. when you go down into tahrir square, you take a lot of flack from people who say it was a popular movement that the military simply stepped in to

finish the job by dismissing mohamed morsi. and the problem is that some -- international networks putting out signs, carrying signs in tahrir square against international networks. and so at times it's a little uncomfortable to be in that area. ironically, wolf, when you go to the muslim brotherhood rallies, they're more than happy to see you. so it's a bizarre situation we find ourselves in. and we're hoping this cloud passes quickly. >> let's hope. just be careful over there. thank all of our cnn personnel for the excellent work they are doing. ben wedeman, we can always count on him in cairo. up next, survivors of a decade-long nightmare speak out for the first time. the women held captive in a cleveland house send a powerful message to the world.

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this just coming into "the situation room." the u.s. coast guard responding to an apparent spill at a gas and crude oil platform about 74 miles southwest of port >> officials report natural gas spilling more than four miles wide by three-quarters of a mile long. but there's no real assessment yet of how serious this incident may be. authorities are investigating the cause of a loss of well control. we're all over this story. stand by. we'll get more information. there's another story we're watching right now, the story that made headlines around the world. three young women held captive for a decade inside a cleveland home. now they are speaking out publicly for the first time since their dramatic rescue. cnn's brian todd is joining us now. what a story this is, brian. tell our viewers what these three women are saying. >> wolf, one of them says hardly anything. the other two stress how well they are doing. these are video clips you can't

help but be drawn to. for the first time we hear directly from amanda berry, gina dejesus and michelle knight. we comb it over with a trauma psychologist. >> i just want everyone to know i'm doing just fine. >> i'm getting stronger each day and privacy has helped immensely. i ask everyone continue to respect our privacy and give us time to have a normal life. >> reporter: they're tightly managed but still sometimes awkward, alternately revealing and closed off, riveting to watch. i examined the kidnapping victims' youtube victim with a trauma psychologist from georgetown university who has dealt with victims of violence for more than 20 years. >> i want everyone to know how happy i am to be home with my family and my friends. >> reporter: she says from the video amanda berry appears to be the most stable and resilient of the three. >> she is also the one who had a

child, so she had something to connect to during the captivity, and that's very important because captivity is about disconnection and being made helpless. >> reporter: brailsford said michelle knight seemed to be the most uncomfortable of the three. >> i may have been through hell and back, but i am strong enough to walk through hell with a smile on my face. and with my head held high. >> reporter: what do you make of the fact that she is the only one who alluded to the torture that she went through? >> you know, she is obviously conveying the pain and suffering she went through in this period of time, but, also, it speaks to her sense of self was destroyed in the process and how determined she is to now create a new identity. >> reporter: i asked brailsford

about gina dejesus' four-second clip. what would you say to them? >> i would say thank you for support. >> reporter: eight words from her and the parents do the rest of it. what do you make of all that? >> having grown up for ten years, and she's the youngest of the three women, under very subordsu subord subord suborderinated. you lose your voice, your sense of identity because all of that is shaped by the captain. >> reporter: she says she believes it may have been too early for these women to be doing this because unlike a single traumatic event they've gone through what she calls a chronic, prolonged trauma which she says brings about irrevocable change psychologically. these women look like they're still in a place of shock and numbness, wolf. >> there's no specific mention of the captor, the alleged

captor, in this case. there seems to be a little bit of an indication or indirect reference. >> reporter: seems to be an indirect reference. michelle knight says, quote, i don't want to be consumed by hatred. priscilla about brailsford believes that could be a signal of forgiveness. >> i'm not ready to make that leap yet. thanks very much. up next, an adorable group of dogs turns into a real, live contraption. jeanne moos will show us how they did it. ♪ load! we keep moving to deliver what you need. and that means growth, lots of cargo going all around the globe. cars and parts, fuel and steel, peas and rice, hey that's nice! ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? ♪ ♪ helping this big country move ahead as one ♪ ♪ norfolk southern how's that function? ♪

it may be a true case of the tail wagging the dog or a bunch of dogs. cnn's jeanne moos looks at an adorable doggie domino effect. >> reporter: get the ball. get it. douse the ball. sink it. you are looking at the a video called dog goldberg, you know, like the cartoonist famous for sketches of chain reaction gizmos that make a simple task complicated.

like a doorbell that makes a dog named peanut run in place, which in turn cause as frisbee to be flung. >> that's an award worthy performance there. >> reporter: the founder of deep f focus, the agency that created dog goldberg, a web ad for the dog food beneful. >> it was one take from beginning to end with all the dogs. this wasn't multiple shots stitched together. >> reporter: he figured it took 40 to 50 tries to get that one good take. he says they were partly inspired by pee-wee's big adventure. pee-wee herman's breakfast machine also feeds his dog speck. and pee-wee must have liked the doggie homage because he tweeted it out. other machines range from the one in the group okay goes music video that took 60 takes.

to a much admired ad called cog. that featured car parts interacting in a commercial for the honda accord. >> isn't it nice when things just work? >> reporter: but dogs aren't car parts. ian says the golden retriever puppies in the wagon were especially tricky. department they just have to sit the there? >> puppies don't like to just sit there. >> reporter: the actors didn't have to do much boning up. they were all trained, showbiz type dogs. ian says the only action m manipulated in post production was the ball that magically rolled straight towards the dominoes to knock them down. >> we rolled it. >> reporter: kids lake to try making dog feeding machines at home. in real life the machine freaked out the dog, but when the professionals do it, the dog's so happy its tail wags the machine. jeanne moos, cnn.