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hello, i'm jake tapper in washington, d.c. welcome to this special edition of "cnn newsroom." the not guilty verdict definitely does not mean zimmerman is in the clear. martin savidge is live in sanford, florida. martin. >> jake, there are a lot of things that still need to be resolved in this particular case, even though we've had a rendering of not guilty. for instance, civil suits are likely. not likely, you can guarantee they will be coming. mark o'mara, the defense attorney understands that. they will be ready and prepared. on top of that the perjury charge placed against shellie zimmerman for apparently lying under oath, that needs to be resolved. then there's the question whether the prosecution make how acted improperly during the trial and did not hand over all the discovery. the defense is asking for sanctions there. then on top of that, of course, is the issue of civil rights and whether the dealt of justice will pursue charges that way. there's still a lot to be worked
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out. >> martin savidge, what has life been like for george zimmerman, if you've talked to anybody in his legal group or family and friends. what do they think life for him will be like? >> it is an amazing question to ponder. george was the first to jump up when the jury was brought back in. once the verdict was rendered, it shifted. it moved back to the family of sybrina and tracy martin, because the parents of trayvon martin they suffer a grief now. yet george is exonerated. but his attorneys will tell you he'll never have a normal life again. he's in hiding still and will have to remain there. can he get a job? how will he get a job? death threats against him. people say they will seek their own justice. they don't see in any way george
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zimmerman goes back to a life he had before all of this. of course he must live with the fact he killed a 17-year-old. that is without question, regardless of the justification the defense said he had. i wouldn't want to be in his shoes. >> all right. martin savidge in sanford, florida, thank you very much. the state criminal case is over but zimmerman's legal troubles are far from over. i'm going to bring in civil legal analyst and attorney from sanford, florida, but before i do i do want to read part of the statement from president obama just issued moments ago, a statement about the verdict in the george zimmerman murder trial. he said, "we're a nation of laws and a jury has spoken. he says he knows the case elicited strong passions. he says the way to honor trayvon martin is to ask ourselves are we doing all we can to widen the circle of compassion and understanding in our communities, ask are we doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too
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many lives across the country on a daily basis. finally, he says, we need to ask ourselves as individuals and a society how we can prevent future tragedies like this. that's for every citizens, the president says, in a statement issued moments ago. now to sanford, florida, for some commentary on the case. mark, what do you think are the next big legal -- he's not there. apologies. we're going to take a quick break and come back with more on the george zimmerman verdict and reaction across the country. we'll be right back.
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you're looking at live coverage, that's the courthouse in sanford, florida, where the verdict was rendered 16 or 17 hours ago of not guilty. george zimmerman, jr., guilty not of murder two oremans. zimmerman's legal troubles are far from over. want to bring in criminal defense attorney from sanford, florida. what do you think are the next big legal troubles for zimmerman? >> i'm not sure they are going to be as great as some people are expecting them to be. i don't see the feds involved at all. fbi involved in the case. i have to believe they sent to the middle district for review. i don't see that happening. i know there's a lot of
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speculation around it. we have open discovery laws in florida, two agencies review it, the fbi has been on it. i don't see how there's more information come out particularly when you hear a state attorney say it was not race related. that's my speculation but i don't see it happening. in relation to civil suits, what's he got? what's he worth? he could be sued civilly by trayvon's estate, his parents but is there anything there? we know there's already a lawsuit brought against the home owner's association. with that i'm not convinced there's a lot more. i suspect he'll go quietly into the night and we won't hear much from him again. >> of course george zimmerman has his own lawsuit. he's suing nbc because of that news broadcast that edited his
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comments in that 911 call. where do you see that case going? >> i think that's going to go forward. therein may be some money for somebody to go after trayvon martin. from what we all know about it, it's always a bit hazardous to speculate but knowing nbc network seemingly from what we understand, and what's been brought out they edited a tape which really started altering immediately somewhat the complexion of this case and the direction it went. i think if, in fact, true, the accusations true what they did, they rightfully deserved because i think the public, all of us, want to know the truth. if somebody is going to edit a tape for ratings or their own benef benefit, they deserve to be spanked. if george zimmerman recovers from this, there may be a pool of money trayvon martin's family can go after in a federal lawsuit.
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>> you said you didn't think the feds would bring charges. on cnn state of the union this morning, want the justice department to file civil rights charges. take a listen. >> they will make a choice about whether or not they will pursue criminal civil rights charges. we are calling on them to do just that. because when you look at his comments, and when you look at comments made by young black men who lived in that neighborhood about how they felt especially targeted by him, there's reason to be concerned race was a factor. >> the reverend al sharpton released a statement about this case. i want to read part of it. the acquittal of george zimmerman is a slap in the face to american people but only the first round in the pursuit of justice. we intend to ask the department of justice to move forward as they did in the rodney king case. we will closely monitor the case against george zimmerman. that is civil rights activist and msnbc host al sharpton. mark, do you think there is a
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case for civil rights charges? >> i think that it's already been evaluated. i applaud anybody who will take the case and move it forward on behalf of their client or behalf of a cause. racism, we have a horrible history in this country and we should do everything we can to chop off its ugly head. with that said, there seems to have been that investigation already. i think a lot of people not here in central florida are unaware of that. as i understand it the feds were in on this case and have done an investigation on this case and they, in fact, the middle district and, in fact, have forwarded it. so i don't think there's anything new that's going to be discovered that's not already out. please remember, over 200 witnesses in this case from what i understand. we have two police agencies, some under suspect. that's why the feds came in, to investigate whether there's anything the matter with the initial police investigation. as i understand it, they concluded it was not. although many people say it is, the fbi apparently in its own
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investigation has not said there's anything wrong done with the investigation. we also now found out bill lee, the chief, when under a lot of fire we found out city officials kicked him out of the room when the investigation was under way. so it's rather hard to conduct an investigation internally accuse a police agency of something wrong when politicians kick you out of the room when you're conducting the investigation. no, i don't see it going anywhere even though you have to address issues factually. i don't think there's information that would rise to the level they are interested in. i don't see them getting involved. >> no doubt repercussions on the local level because of the police chief being fired and other things that took place. trayvon martin's parents were not in the courtroom when that verdict was read last night but we did see an emotional reaction on twitter from trayvon martin's father, tracy martin, "even though i'm brokenhearted, my faith is unshattered. i will always love my baby tray.
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his mother said, quote, lord, during my darkest hour i lean on you. you're all i have. at the end of the day god is still in control. thank you for your prayers and support. i will love you forever, trayvon. in the name of jesus. i'm joined by an attorney, jasmine. i see you're wearing a hoodie. i suspect that fashion choice is conscious as a measure of solidarity for trayvon. what is the family's reaction to this verdict? it must have been heartbreaking? >> the family is certainly heart broken, but i think the legal team, tracy and sybrina woke up stronger this morning in light of the not guilty verdict. despite the pain and heartbreak we may be feeling, we have a greater obligation to society to try to continue to fight for change and fight for the injustices that face young children in this country, particularly young african-american males. we will continue to stand until we do believe that this -- that our society is in a more equal
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state. thorough good marshall called on being a society of change. the millions of followers that brought george zimmerman to arrest and to a jury of peers. we have faith next time we'll get a conviction. >> how do they view -- the family, how do they view the verdict? do they view it of the prosecution didn't meet their burden of reasonable doubt? did they view it, in the way a lot of commentators say, this is another example of if you're a black man in america you can't get justice? what's their view of the verdict? >> we support the prosecution's effort. we are thankful to them for standing beside us when nobody else would. this is nobody's fault but george zimmerman and for a system that allows this behavior
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to continue. to the sanford police department that did not conduct a proper investigation, did not arrest him when he should have been arrested and let a lot of evidence escape with him. the prosecution put on all the evidence needed. did we need a use of force expert gun versus skittles. trayvon martin had none of george zimmerman's blood on his hand. george zimmerman will forever have trayvon martin's blood on his hand as said in the summation. >> i don't know if you know this but minutes ago president obama issued a statement regarding the not guilty verdict for george zimmerman. i'll read it to you. i want to get your reaction. quote, the death of trayvon martin was a tragedy not just for his family or any one community but america. i know this case elicited strong passions in the wake of the verdict. i know they may be run higher. we're a nation of laws. a jeer has spoken. call for calm reflection for two parents that lost their young son. as we do we should ask ourselves if we are doing all we can to widen the circle in our
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communities, all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across the country on a daily basis. we should ask ourselves as individuals and a society how we can prevent future tragedies like this. citizens, a job for all of us. that's the way to honor trayvon martin. i don't know if you've had any chance, the statement was issued just minutes before you came on our air. if you've had a chance to talk to the family about it or if you have a personal reaction to it, i'd love to hear it. >> that was the first time i've heard the statement from president obama. i want to personally thank him, not just for calling on all communities to be peaceful and accept the jury's understanding as tracy and sybrina has. nobody has suffered a greater loss than tracy and sybrina and we share president obama's sentiments in that regard we don't want to see vigilante behavior that led to their son. i'm proud of the mouth of my president came a call for change in our nation. i think that's responding to and the reason i have the conviction
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to stand up this morning, continue to speak on behalf of my client, is because the millions of supporters out there black, white, brown, republican, democrat, muslim, christian, who stood behind tracy and sybrina and said that was our son, too. you can no longer walk through our nation today and place a bullet in the heart of an unarmed child because of the color of his skin. i think what america has said is we don't tolerate whether or not that's the message we receive from the jury, we will continue to fight for justice. >> jasmine rand, attorney for the martin family. thank you so much for joining us. please extend our condolences to the martin family for the loss of their son. >> thank you for having me. he's at the center of one of the most high-profile cases in years and today george zimmerman is walking free. what is life like after you're declared not guilty in a case of this magnitude. our dave maddenly shows what's next for the 29-year-old that is, quote, a marked man. >> reporter: he's been in hiding
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over a year, daring to venture out only in disguise and wearing body armor. since killing trayvon martin, life with george zimmerman is filled with isolation and caution. >> there are a lot of people think george killed trayvon for racial reasons even though nothing supports that. if they feel that anger enough, they could react violently. >> there koosh tweets, e-mails, letters wishing him bodily harm and death. now that george zimmerman is free, it's almost certain he won't be able to go back to the life he had before, pursuing a career in law enforcement. >> that is the absolute worst thing you can do. it might be your old passion. my advice would be you need to find a new passion. it needs to be helping people in a very different way, a way that is much more compassionate, not just involving law enforcement. >> for a view of life after acquittal, zimmerman may need to look no further than casey anthony, the hated young mother
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found not guilty of murdering her 2-year-old daughter. she has since lived in hiding and in financial ruin. cheney mason was her defense attorney. >> you never know who the nuts are and where they are. there are still nuts that threat be me. >> sounds like there are still consequences. >> yes but you don't have jello and cheese sand wichings in jail. >> part of his defense is paid for by thousands of dollars donated by the public. but even here there could be problems. >> he's got to be careful to avoid the appearance of creating division by accepting money or support openly from groups that maybe would create more friction because of the tenor of this case. got to be very careful about who he associates with afterwards even if they are offering
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financial support. >> shortly after his dramatic acquittal, george zimmerman's first steps into private life were hidden from camera and view. his destination, his plans, a closely guarded secret. >> he has always fired for his safety. we have always feared for his safety and our safety as a family. clearly he's a free man in the eyes of the court but he's going to be looking around his shoulder for the rest of his life. >> david mattingly joins me now. david, i guess some experts say the best thing george zimmerman can do is just to disappear, alter his appearance in some way, go to some other corner of the country or world. what do you think about that advice? >> well, he has family connections to virginia. his mother is from peru. he may have some options to live other places other than central florida where he's very much a household name and very much recognizable around here. but today is the first day of
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the rest of his life. it's a very unclear picture. experts are suggesting that he, one, disappear if that is possible and he be absolutely contrite whenever he encounters anyone asking questions. because the worst thing he can do right now, according to the experts, is to say or do anything that suggests he beat the system. that will only make things harder for him as he goes forward and tries to slip back into anonymity. >> all right. dave matingly, thanks so much. stick around. later, more on george zimmerman's life. we know a thing or two about high-profile cases, one a criminal attorney of michael and o.j. simpson. i'll ask the advice they would give george zimmerman today. these just ahead. [ male announcer] surprise -- you're having triplets.
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there's shock and sadness in the world of pop culture. actor cory monteith died suddenly at the age of 31. he was one of the original cast members of the hit television show "glee" on fox. a couple of years ago he won a teen choice award for top comedy. keeping track of the reaction and investigation prrd sudden and tragic, news of the death of 31-year-old "glee" actor cory
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monteith stunned his closest friends. the hollywood star found dead in a downtown hotel room. his cause of death not immediately clear. but at a press conference saturday police ruled out foul play. >> mr. monteith checked into the hotel july 6th and was due to check out of the room today. there were others with mr. monteith in his room earlier. video and fob key entries show him returning to his room by himself in the early morning hours and we believe he was alone when he died. >> "glee" guest director adam shankman spoke to monteith hours before his death. >> he was the glue, the cheerleader that really held everybody together on that set i really felt. he was always smiling. he was patient. he was the first one -- he always knew all his lines right away. he was the first to laugh when things were muddy.
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>> monteith's ski rocketed to fame in 2009 playing loveable heartthrob quarterback he's credited with making the fox tv show a hit. for all his success there were stumbles. since he was 13 years old he said he struggled with sobriety. he voluntarily checked himself into a rehab facility. his girlfriend and friends were encouraged. >> he even said i'm feeling fantastic again. you know, he was obviously referring to, you know, the moment he had hear with going to rehab. so i'm like everybody else really devastated an confused by what happened. >> investigators have not officially tied monteith's death to substance abuse. an autopsy will be conducted monday. nick valencia, cnn, atlanta. we're going to turn our attention back to the george zimmerman trial. next coming up, how the verdict
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it's been a day since george zimmerman was found not guilty and civil rights leader jesse jackson sr. says he's staund. jackson supported the fa emfrom the beginning before zimmerman faced criminal charges and he had strong words about what this means for civil rights. listen to what he told kate bolduan and chris cuomo this
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morning. >> i remain stunned at this decision that the grown man armed murdered the unarmed boy going home because he suspected him. the state's attorney avoided the issue of race. the defense team denied the issue of race. and yet race profile was obvious from the very beginning. because of this conclusion, look at all white people doing the offense and defense, you look at the jury without a black or man on it. the jury of trayvon's peers. the department must intervene and take it to another level. trayvon martin joins the legacy of emmett till as a man shot town without a sense of justice as a response. i tell you we're all responds.
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we deserve better good will and note this kind of miscarriage of justice. >> the issue of race has been a hot topic since we learned the names george zimmerman, trayvon martin, unarmed teen dressed in a hoodie carrying skittles and a fruit drink versus neighborhood watch leader with a gun. with more charges possibly in store for zimmerman, perhaps federal civil vits charges, the issue of race is front and center again. joining me mo arrivery, buck davis, inclusion expert and david webb, co-founder of nyc tea party and host of show. does reverend jackson have a point? >> no, he doesn't. he'd like to inject there's a problem with white people making a decision on the evidence versus black people making a different decision on the
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evidence. what we're talking about here is not a cry for justice and due process but a cry for justice the way he and frankly those that want to play into the race narrative would like to play out. the fact is this is a tragedy. i wish those two had never met. i think most americans that are rational do. we have a case prosecuted in the courts, went through the system and decided by a jury and that's how our decision works. >> you want to jump in? go ahead. >> please, play into the race narrative, david? when doesn't anything play into the race narrative. for you to say something like a jury of african-americans wouldn't have thought differently about evidence that was presented, of course they would have. every juror comes into o. >> how do you know they would have. >> every juror comes to a case with their life. no matter what you want --
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excuse me -- to say about it they come in with their own experiences and decide with the evidence presented according to how they feel about it. that is why we work so hard to pick juries. that's why we make -- >> let me jump in for a second. how exactly, what kpak would an african-american jury, in your view, and this is all obviously hypothetical, what evidence would they have looked at differently? >> an african-american jury might not have looked at rachel jeantel and judged her about the way everybody judged her. it wouldn't have been about her language, her tone, it might have been about the facts she knew that day. an african-american jury would have looked at a lot of evidence, including what wasn't done, what started from the first moment investigators pulled up on a dead 17-year-old african-american boy shot by what and to be a white man. it would have all been different. so i just think it's ridiculous to act like there's no race issue here. we go into our court of law and look at facts and make
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judgments. the justice system has never been about facts. it's facts plus what you think about the things that happen in our country, your experiences, what you've learned. you bring all of that into a courtroom with you and onto a jury. please stop pretending this is not about race because it is. >> you present the interesting argument that everything is only subject to their experience when making a decision based on the fact. now, most people watching this will look at that and call it what it is, an attempt to get an end result that you desire. there are blacks and whites who make decisions on this jury in our country on a daily basis are fair. >> i was not saying every decision is unfair. i'm saying you bring your experiences into the courtroom. different experiences across the board. i'm saying don't discount you bring your life experiences, what has happened to you into a courtroom. it is not -- i love the
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argument, it's just our justice system. our justice system is broken, david, that is why a man can walk away murdering a 17-year-old kid and just get away with it. >> let me jump in for a second. >> emotion is the problem here. >> this is not about emotion. i'm not talking from emotion, i'm talking about facts. i love how all of a sudden it's about the emotion when you're talking about the real situation. >> see, this is the problem with having people on the show who have their own radio shows. they are used to having all the control. >> i don't have one. >> president obama released a statement a short time ago about the verdict in this case and it said in part, the death of trayvon martin was a tragedy not just for his family or any one community but america. know this case elicited strong passions and goes on and on. there's one particular part i want to read to you. we should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to widen the
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circle of compassion and understanding in our communities. how do you interpret that? >> i am deeply disturbed by what i'm seeing specifically with african-american folks online and what they have been tweeting and saying in social media. if you look closely at their words and meaning in the words and feeling underneath that, you'll see and hear the feeling of i do not feel valued in this country. i don't matter. my life is not as important as other people in this country. from a humanitarian standpoint and civility standpoint, that should be terribly troubling for every one of us in this country. this case did not create those emotions. that comes from decades and decades of people feeling like they are treated differently in this country. it is resurrected because of this terrible tragedy. >> exactly. >> there's another point we're seeing on twitter. these are the direct threats that are coming. these are the calls for violence. these are the videos now showing up in social media, new media,
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from portland to others where people are calling for violence, murder. this is not what our system is about. you can talk about white people feel a certain way. those are all subjective feelings to a great degree for all of us. but if we stick within the issue at hand, the evidence that's presented, the case law as it stands and we deal with it, i don't have a dog in this hunt. as i said, i wish these two had never met. what we have seen since the community relations service went down there, we now have the requests that show they were involved -- the department of justice unit involved in rallies, facilitating rallies against zimmerman. now that we see we have al sharpton, jesse jackson and others pushing a narrative, we have to pay attention to that. >> david, if i could just jump in with a quick fact check on the idea of these community relation service, what the justice department says and you can believe it or not. what the justice he department
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says is those organizations were there to keep the peace not to gin up anger. that's the explanation from the justice department. if you look at the documents, the judicial watch through the freedom of information act there isn't anything that contradicts that. >> david said he saw a lot of tweets about people wanting to protest and outrage over the verdict. there have been just as many that said nasty remarks about trayvon, he got what he deserved, he was the one -- so lets be fair. >> they are both clearly wrong. >> lets make sure we put out the other side as well of how many people saying trayvon got just what he deserved. there's equal amounts of anguish and nasty tweeting on both sides. >> there is a lot of ugliness on both sides. we can agree nobody calling for violence against george zimmerman or trayvon martin got what he deserved. this panel can come to an agreement on that if nothing else. i do want to play the public service announcement from
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broward county, florida, and get your reactions to that. one second. >> raise your voice and not your hands. >> stand together as one, no cuffs, no guns. >> lets give violence a rest because we could end up arrested. >> patience will be tested. >> law enforcement has your back. >> lets back up and choose not to act up. >> let it roll off your shoulders as water off your back -- >> this is from broward county, not seminole county where the sanford courthouse is and where mr. zimmerman was tried but it is in light of what happened. lets just go down the line. mo, start with you. your reaction to a public service announcement. why is that needed? >> because of the idea people act out. i know in this country that has happened before. it was a great attempt at trying to do something. i don't know that i loved the rap aspect of it, like it had to be done in a way rap kids would get it. again, more stereotypes.
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listen, i can move past that, because i'm glad there was an attempt to do something to keep the peace. i think it's been relatively peaceful. i think people have acted great. i've been watching coverage. i haven't seen anything nasty going on. tonight is the time for parents to talk to their kids, for families to come together and spend time together trying to digest all of this. >> i want to get a reaction from david and buck. before i do, i just want to read a statement from the department of justice that just came out seconds ago and get your reactions to that. as the department first acknowledged last year we have an open investigation into the death of trayvon martin. the department of justice's criminal section of the civil rights division, united states attorneys office for middle district of florida and federal bureau of investigation continue to evaluate the evidence generated during the federal investigation as well as the evidence and testimony from the state trial. experienced federal prosecutors will determine whether the evidence reveals a prosecutable violation of federal criminal civil rights statutes and whether federal prosecution is
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appropriate in accordance with the department's policy of federal prosecution following the trial. shorthand is they are looking into this. david, your reaction. >> if they are looking into that, i think that's fair for the department of justice. the question i would ask, why don't they apply that same measure to many other cases when it comes to civil rights violations in the other direction of the black-white dynamic or any other dynamic. the problem we have here is we have this constant blacks are the constant victims. whites are the constant aggressors. instead of dealing with the issues as they are. how sad is it when asked about the video that in our society we have to put out a video. it's understandable in this situation where you have such a highly charged situation that you want to put out a message to people to calm down. but i've talked to members in the community. over and over in the past 17 months, they want peace. they want this to be processed.
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this should have been a local law enforcement issue. instead it's become a national story when there are many other stories just as tragic and by the numbers even more so as in chicago. those are not being addressed. >> buck, i want to get your reaction. >> what i like about the video is the diversity in the video. you look at different types of people, different races, different religions if i were to make an assumption. that is a fundamental issue that this country is struggling with, we are not really getting to know different types of people. we are living among the same type of people. we are not truly developing intimate, trusting, meaningful relationships with people across racial lines. without that happening, a lot of this will not change in our country. i believe we are in a national crisis relative to race relations in this country. if you're looking for something to do tonight, america, think about your pool of people, your
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friends, and you think about how many people of difference are in that group. how many do you have at your home on a consistent basis, over for dinner. how many do you ask for advice? that will give you insight around truly how inclusive we are in this nation. for me that has been a fundamental difference in my own life. once i began to get to know different types of people, my life got better. i assume that if we can do that across the country, the country will get better. >> i've got to take issue with this in one quick moment. blacks represent 12% of the population. let me ask you, are you counting to make sure you have 12% of blacks represented, the right amount of blacks, hispanics, asians, the right amount of women, seniors. this is that premise that somehow a forced diverse picture makes you more diverse and more accepting of others. >> i disagree with you.
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it means that i'm beginning to understand and have a different perspective about what different types of people experience in this country. without that experience i'm left to my own stereotypes, my own belief system. that is a fundamental issue in this country. >> you can ignore that your black or you can join a political organization and then pretend that black people are just victims because it's in their heads. i want you to know, david, that possibly you are a black man that could have a black son that could be trayvon regardless of whether you're in the tea party or you deal with those issues or whatever. it is an issue in this country and we need to start to talk about it and embrace it as such. this is just another example of racial problems in america. >> just like at the oscars we're putting in some music for a polite exit. thank you so much. we're going to have more of you guys debating later in the afternoon. a great panel.
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i'm sure we could talk about this for an hour. probably there's an executive somewhere making plans for that right now this was such a great conversation. thank you so much. coming up next, what's ahead for george zimmerman. i'll be joined by two guests who know how hard it is to mover on after a high-profile trial coming up right after this. out there owning it.
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will not be especially in the near term. after a trial and searing media scrutiny, o.j. simpson's prosecutor marcia clark and tom mesirow. prosecutor bernie de la rionda said he respected the jury's decision but disappointed with a verdict. for a prosecution team that worked with the family. a lot of people had a lot of hopes resting on what the jury would decide. can you talk about the frustrations that the prosecution team is feeling. give us a feeling for what they put into this case more than just a year. >> you live, breathe, eat and sleep a case of this magnitude, and i'm sure they did. they worked very hard for a very long time and they believed in their case. you could see that. as they should. you don't bring a case if you don't believe in it.
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it's very painful to lose the case, not because it's a win, loss kind of olympic event but because you believe justice has not been served. that's a very difficult situation to live with. i have to say this case in particular, though, was a difficult case. i've been pretty up front about that from the very start. they had an uphill battle. having to disprove justifiable self-defense as well as approve their case, as well as the facts of this case. i'm sure the realities of the situation were clear to them right from the start. they knew going into it they had a heavy burden to sustain. i don't think they were probably terribly shocked by the verdict. it's nonetheless very painful. >> tom, talk about the defense team, if you would. they got an acquittal, succeeded but do they face the same sort of threats you think zimmerman
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might now be facing. did you face anything like that after representing michael jackson? >> i really did not. in fact, i went on a speaker tour around the country after michael was acquitted. people of all races, religions were coming up shaking my hands. the reception was good. however, i did advise michael jackson to leave santa barbara, california, after the acquittals. it was not because i feared the people there would be against him, i was worried about the prosecutors and sheriffs highly embarrassed by all the acquittals. he was acquitted of 10 felonies and 4 misdemeanors, it was a clean sweep for the defense. i feared they would be looking for something else. i feared they were vindictive, unethical and smarting from what they thought would be an easy conviction. so he decided on his own to move to the middle east for a while and then europe and then come
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back. but i wanted him to leave after a little bit of discussion. >> there was a very interesting moment last night when don west of zimmerman's defense team slammed the prosecution. let's take a listen. >> i think the prosecution of george zimmerman was disgraceful. i am gratified by the jury's verdict. as happy as i am for george zimmerman, i'm thrilled that this jury kept this tragedy from becoming a travesty. for that we are eternally grateful. >> marsha, how typical is it for the defense team after succeeding to say something like that? >> it's not typical. i think -- i disagree with him,
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of course. it was not disgraceful. this was a case that needed to be tried. there was sufficient evidence. i think that a reasonable jury could have found him guilty, at least of manslaughter and to call it disgraceful is to me over the top. and no, i have not seen that particular attitude in previous cases ever before but this case does seem to have engendered a great deal of polarized feelings on both sides and i -- all i can say is i disagree with him and i think it was a case to be tried in a court of law, regardless of how he feels about the strength of the evidence. that does not mean and he is not the final arbitor to brand it as disgraceful which i think was going a bit too far. >> marcia clark, tom mesereau, thank you so much. george zimmerman stayed out of sight since leaving the courtroom last night and hearing from his brother who spoke with
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criminal case against george zimmerman is over whether he stays in florida or move away his life will probably never be the same. his brother spoke with our kate bouldan and chris cuomo this morning. his brother had choice words for noo naacp and news media and says he his brother will carry the gun he used to kill trayvon martin. >> you know where his head is on these things. do you believe he looks at things he did that night and
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says i wish i hadn't, i regret having a round in the chamber or following him or starting something or continuing something? what does he regret? >> i'll tell you what. when this happened george wasn't the same. testifies saddened. he was completely a somber person that was just not himself. regret is a very strong word. regret implies that your actions -- you have culpability in what you did for what happened and i think that's what you're asking. does he share or accept the blame? >> i think that george outside of the word blame feels and has felt and i've expressed this before very bad. he even told the police officer singleton, asked her, are you catholic? my religion, death by any standard is a tragedy, whether it's abortion or self defense or what have you so he does have emotion about the fact that he had to take a life in self defense but that is incompatible with culpability in what he did. >> did you ever wish him say i
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wish i didn't do it? >> no. the opposite. >> what do you mean? >> he had that interview with sean hannity and it was presented in court and i don't think people forthright and believe they're right will go back. if you do the right thing or what you believe to be right you don't have to make amends for that and say it should have been this way. if should have been that way now and you can think of that in hindsight, it should have been that way then. >> you're saying what he did was right that night and today? i'm asking something different. taking someone's life is last thing you should want to do. >> right. >> does your brother feel that way? that he wishes he hadn't taken this 17-year-old's life? >> that's two different questions, really. taking someone's life is last thing you should want to do. i agree that's how he felt. he didn't find out until he was at the police station that he had, in fact, taken someone's life and he was distraught by that fact. >> he really didn't know?
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>> no. he didn't. he asked doris singleton and revealed to him in the first interview that troy van martin had expired, he had died and he was dismayed by that. when you say is that what i should or shouldn't do, self defense is self defense and people who carry guns, who discharge them are trained and taught there's only one reason or one legal way that you should discharge a weapon. you don't discharge it in to people or discharge or brandish them or shoot up in the air to control a crazy party. that's what happened. he was an armed person who mr. martin unfortunately isn't here to express any regrets he might have today and mr. martin had plans for george that night and unfortunately the plans and his encounter with george began with breaking his nose. i wish it weren't that way but it is. >> there is a lot of very big push now for bringing civil rights charges against your brother.
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what do you say to that? >> it sounds like that race was never a factor. that's the first thing he said and she believes or alleges and disproven that george criminally profiled trayvon martin. i think i encourage mr. jealous who i describe as a self professed civil rights, i don't think he does anything for civil rights perpetuating a narrative proven false and calling for an arrest and then a conviction and it didn't happen so now there's more agitation by the same players that were insisting that george was a murderer and a racist to begin with. >> the justice department is gathering information. justice department is not directly responding to the naacp's request but it has -- it is gathering information and there is an investigation. >> we welcomed that investigation through the fbi when they originally started investigating george. they have invested i think three dozen of his closest friends and acquaintances and not an inkling of racism. in fact, there's evidence to show the opposite. i would encourage them to cool
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their jets. give everyone sometime to process what's going on. agitation doesn't help us. it doesn't do anybody any good right now. i'm not angry at the media. the media has to do better when you have people injecting race in things. a red flag has to go up, especially after a case where two crafty attorneys got away with fabricating a completely scripted narrative and selling it to the american people through the media, through cnn, through abc, through nbc. they did it themselves. to borrow a line from the movie "argo." if you want to sell a lie, have the media sell it for you. >> will george carry a gun now? >> i don't know. i heard that his gun was returned to him or eligible to have it returned to him. i don't know that he'll carry a gun. i would think that he has more reason to now than before because there are so many more people that want him dead and know he's free and same time he can move about more
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