tv State of the Union CNN September 15, 2013 9:00am-10:00am EDT
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>> candy crowley sits down with the colorado governor to get the latest on the rescue efforts. we'll have that for you in just a moment as "state of union" starts right now. >> have a good day. a u.s.-russian game plan to destroy syria's chemical weapons by mid 2014. today, will it play in damascus. >> we have committed here to a standard that says verify and verify. >> can syrian president be trusted to comply? and even if the deal collapses, has russia succeeded in making a u.s. military strike more difficult? questions for the chairman of the house intelligence committee mike rogers along with committee member adam shift. then, what's old is new again. >> it's time for the president and his party to show the courage to work with us to truly solve the spending problem. >> it is still pertinent.
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>> they have to make sure the government doesn't run out of money or credit. joining us, our congressional panel, utah's jason chafis and elijah couplings. plus, our political gurus on whether the president has been outmaneuvered by putin and the obama care battle between the white house and union allies. this is "state of the union." good morning from washington. i'm candy crowley. first this morning at least four people dead, more than 500 unaccounted for in flooding across more than 150 miles of colorado's front range. record breaking rains have touched an area roughly the size of connecticut. late this week it was so bad the national weather service issued an update for the foothills reading major flooding, flash flooding event under way this time with biblical rainfall amounts reported in many areas. whatever that means, they got the picture. roads and homes have been demolished. entire towns evacuated under
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double danger of floods and mudslides and boulder county is bracing for an additional four inches of rain this afternoon. the colorado governor joins me now from denver. governor, where is the danger now? what worries you the most? >> well, obviously if they get four inches back in boulder county, the ground is already saturated. so that's going to just really magnify the problems we've had so far. we're still trying to evacuate people. we moved almost 2,000 people out of boulder and many cases up these little valleys, the road is intermittently completely washed away. no road, all river now. and so the challenge is how do we get the people that have been stranded for a lot of these people lost their telephone, their power wednesday night. and today if the weather forecast holds, we probably won't be able to fly very far with the blackhawks. >> so your account of those who
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are unaccounted for at this point, stranded and in need of rescue is how many? >> well, there are 500 who are actually missing and unaccounted for. a lot of those, since they don't have cell phones and a lot of them come back into, you know, already got out or staying with friends, we just don't know about it. but we're still bracing. there are many, many homes that have been destroyed. a number have been collapsed and we haven't been in them yet. so we're still dealing with that. how do we save lives first? >> it is still a rescue thing, not even looking at the damage. have you gotten everything you need from the federal government at this point? >> yes. president obama declared a major disaster last night. they have been incredibly responsive. fema has been terrific. we got a joint -- still have a joint command with the army down in el paso county. our national guard has been spectacular. we were flying yesterday with them and watching them in
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action. the first responders, you know, sheriff pelley is the individual in boulder count dwla is doing a rashable job. everyone stood up. this is a heck of a storm. you look at the -- if this had been snow, we would have had close to 15 feet of snow if it were a cold day. it's a lot of precipitation. >> it is that. let me turn your attention to another thing that happened on the political front from colorado. lots of national implications being taken from the fact that two democrats, the head of the state senate as well as another democratic state senator were recalled over their support for further gun control regulation in colorado. what are we to make of that on the national scale? >> you know, definitely was what we called a line item recall. it was in two districts. these are very specific districts. i'm not sure it has a national
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message or even a statewide message. you know, certainly in el paso county, they were very close. a few hundred votes. i think the parts and sides are still very entrenched. >> one of the things that one of your predecessors said, governor bill riter who is also a democrat, he said that he thinks the recall showed there is unease with the broader democratic social agenda. he meant the bush for guy marriage as well as gun rights. do you not buy into that? >> no. i saw most of the campaign literature in both of the recall campaigns. to the vast majority, it was very specific about universal background checks, high capacity magazines. that seemed to be what people were really trying to turn out the vote on to recall the two individuals. so that is certainly possible. but i haven't felt that. >> mayor bloomberg, of course,
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heads up a mayor's group that is pushing for more gun control. he sunk a lot of money into trying to save these two democratic state senators. was it helpful? >> well, you know, it's funny. colorado, like a lot of western states, we love to, you know -- we're very self determinant. we like to solve our own problems with our own people. if you look at the website for the flood, helpcoloradonow.org and most of the contributions come in from colorado. coloradans are like that. there is a certain resentment when any outside money whether it's from bloomberg or the nation national rifle association, outside money is generally not welcomed from the middle of the road voters who help decide these things. >> governor hickenlooper, thank you for taking time today. we hope to talk to you later in the day and get an update. good luck to you and all our thoughts, of course, with the residents of colorado. thank you. >> you bet.
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thanks, candy. now to that u.s.-russia deal to eliminate syria's klem call weapons. secretary of state john kerry and his russian counterpart announced the framework this weekend. it includes syria providing a list of its chemical arsenals within a week. that's paving the way for international inspectors to be on the ground by november. also by november, syria must destroy the equipment they use to make the deadly gases. all chemical weapons need to be eliminated before the beginning of next year. i want to bring in cnn's jim sciutto. he is our chief national security correspondent traveling with secretary kerry who met earlier today with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. jim, lots of speculation in washington as to what brought putin to this moment where he wanted to forge a deal. >> candy, of course the administration says it's all about the threat of force. both the russians and syrians
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want to avoid a u.s. military attack. that's what brought them to the table. you can see a broader calculation about it russians that assad went too far with this chemical weapons attack. and that he's getting weaker. i think coupled with the broader discussion of a peaceful end to the syrian civil war, peace talks and so on that you could see this as a first step towards a future in syria without assad. of course, meanwhile, this deal very much depends on assad's cooperation. he was the absent party at the talks in geneva. it all depends on the russians keepgs keeping assad to his word. >> it does. that brings up the second question in the wake of this framework agreement that a lot of people are asking. is the time line realistic? >> well, it's remarkably ambitious. you have by november the completion of inspections, the destruction of the production equipment for chemical weapons. by the middle of next year, the complete elimination of all chemical weapons and just next week, six days from today, the syrians are due to give a full
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accounting of all the chemical weapons. so lots of tests of their sincerity and also lots of opportunities to gain the system along the way and stretch this out. and there is skepticism, i'm hearing, even from inside the administration, one senior u.s. official told me, the proof is in the pudding. it dependents on whether syrians do what they haven't shown a propensity to do in a long time which is to act in good faith. you'll have a lot of tests of the syrians' good faith coming up soon. candy? >> jim sciutto, a story moving along but certainly is far from an end. thanks so much. he, of course, is our chief national security correspondent. i appreciate it. i'm joined by mike rogers, chairman of the house intelligence committee. what do you think of the plan? >> well, obviously i'm skeptical. but any day that we can do something to take chemical weapons off the battlefield, take them away from assad, and/or stop them from being -- from falling into the hands of hezbollah or al qaeda, it's a good day. here's the problem with where we're at. the syria plan has been
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confusing at best over the last two years. last week it was more confusing to the american people and more confusing to members of congress about our national security interests. the president couldn't quite close that deal. so that indivisiveness gave the diplomatic advantage to the russians. they saw it. they stepped in. this is a russian plan for russian interests. and we should be very, very concerned about -- >> who cares? if it has a chance to get rid of klem ca chemical weapons, do we really care that russia got the diplomatic edge? >> that's true. if the president believes a credible military force helps you get a diplomatic solution, they gave that away in this deal. i'm really concerned about that. if you believe there is broader national security interest in syria, i know the president does, i clearly believe that, we have al qaeda in the west. we have hezbollah operating there. it's a proxy fight. by the way, the russians have been here the whole time and
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complicit in allowing chemical weapons to be used. they got exactly what they wanted. they want add sad here for a year, at least extended for a year. they got that. and there's not one ounce of chemical weapons in this -- remember, it's a framework. there are a lot of shoulds, not a lot of hard dates. all this has to go to the u.n. not one ounce of chemical weapons came off the battlefield but we gave up every ounce of our leverage because we've taken away a credible military threat. the russians say we maintain that right to oppose it in the national security council. and they said that they would. >> so let me -- i want to bring in your fellow committee member congressman adam shift, your colleague on the intelligence committee and ask you what you think of this deal. i know you have been certainly open to trusting the russians to bring something usable to the table. >> well, i don't know that i trust the russians. i think this agreement is a very
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positive step. if we step back six or nine months ago and say we would be in a position today where they would sign the chemical weapons treaty, without a single shot being fired, we would have said this is a phenomenal breakthrough. it's been ugly getting here and trying to disarm the dictators is always an ugly process. but if your goal is to use military force to decide the outcome on the battlefield and you don't mind risking and tangling us in the civil war, it's a bad deal. but if the goal is to make sure the chemical weapons are never use again, if the goal is to make sure when the regime falls that in the chaos the weapons don't get in the hands of hezbollah or al qaeda, this is about as good a deal you can get. now it's going to be tough. the timetable is aggressive. we can certainly expect the regime to delay and obfuscate so
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it will be hard. this is the best pathway we've seen in the last couple years. >> let me ask you a two-part question. first to you, mr. chairman. that is we have constant reports of assad since this all began and since the russians and u.s. got together for some sort of agreement. assad's been moving the chemical weapons around from post to post. is that true? what does it tell you about their intentions? >> one of the things that the russians wanted is breathing space. and this has never been about anybody. i don't believe the president wanted to get entangled into a military mess in syria. but by having a credible military threat, it gives you leverage in negotiations. i think that is a very important distinction. and again, if chemical weapons are it, then this is a great day and everyone should high five. even though there is no agreement. it's a framework very different, has to go to the u.n. that's not what we have here. so clearly they're going to take
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advantage, not only russia is going to take advantage of there, so is hezbollah and so is iran which is part of the whole problem that we have in syria. we have to have a broader approach. the chemical weapons is a good thing and i believe it was in our national security interests to secure them. that's great. we also have very sophisticated security weapons. if we want to trance wigs assad, we just fired our last round and we have taken our ability to negotiate a settlement from the white house and we've sent it with russia to the united nations. that's a difrangerous place to if you want an overall settlement. >> you said you thought that the threat of the use of force certainly brought everyone to the table. and you believe that this agreement without the threat of the use of force, you know, leaves open the chances that it might not be followed. so why not have the president come back to congress and say i need you to vote so i can continue to have the threat of the force? >> that would make sense if you
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were confident of the vote. as the president said the other day, i don't think he can be confident of the vote. right now the russians take that threat credibly and serious. i think we should leave them with that idea and i don't think we should undermine the negotiators. people are saying putin is this master chess player and describing all kinds of missions to our adversaries. i think putin is more like a lawyer who lost control of his client. that should have told assad some time ago, look, you have the military edge on the battlefield now. don't screw it up by doing something stupid. and what happened here was that i think russia lost control of the client. as much interest now in working with the united states to try to make this framework work, to try to, you know, save the client from itself. so i don't think that we have this master strategist thinking five months ahead. if they fought five moves ahead, they never would have gotten to
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i'm back with my conversation with congressman mike rogers and we have a republican from utah and elijah cummings. i want to bring you two in. i promised congressman rogers a reply here. >> i do think putin's playing chess and we're playing tic-tac-toe. think about where he is and what he wanted out of syria. he got everything he wanted including taking away the president's advantage of a
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guaranteed or at least a credible military strike. that happened. it happened this week. it happened with a framework of which we don't really know the conclusion of it. and think about putin. he has more intelligence officers in the united states today than at the height of the cold war. this is a guy who did a crippling cyber attack on the country of astona, invaded georgia preempted by a cyber attack, is not living up to its nuclear treaty obligations, many believe he's not living up to his chemical convention obligations. and this is the guy that we put in charge in helping us get out of a sticky wickit here at home politically to manage the fight in syria. he wanted assad there. he goats keep his warm water port. gets to keep his military contracts. and he gives breathing space to both hezbollah which is fighting up half of assad and assad and he creates a problem for us with al qaeda operating in the east.
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this was a big win for him. >> i'm going to ask you all to respond to that in this way. when you look at this deal, it is true that we are sort of relying on a man that president obama said two years ago, you know, ought to be out and not running syria. and then the russian president who last month he wouldn't have a one-on-one with because he's keeping edward snowden the nsa spy. we weren't talking top of a month ago and a guy we want out of office seems like pretty contin tenuous place to put your weapons. >> let's not be distracted. just a week ago we were in a situation where we had russia and syria saying they had the weapons. now we're sitting down at the table very aggressive agenda,
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sitting down at that table trying to resolve this issue without a bullet being fired. that is very significant. i want us to keep in mind when they came into this deal folks were talking about a month, a month to give the inventory of chemical weapons. that tells me something. something is happening over there. now everything that my -- that the chairman said i understand. but at this point right now, i think that we're in a situation where we can again, get these chemical weapons out of his hands, we'll know what they are. get them destroyed and then we can deal with other things like this civil war. but i think -- and by the way, a lot of people don't give the president credit. he made two decisions that were major. one, he decided to go with force. >> right. >> and, two, he decided that enter into this diplomatic negotiations. >> on the other hand, there are those that made him look like he
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didn't have a foreign policy. >> i think history will show that syria didn't just sneak up on us three weeks ago. this goes back two years and the failing of the president and then secretary clinton failed to deal with this. we knew they had the large caches of chemical weapons. i want to make that they're never, ever used again. we have over 100,000 people dead, a million people in camps. >> this is not going to solve the syrian civil war. >> that doesn't solve the problem. >> which wasn't the point. i want to get you all to sort of jump in when you want. when -- how long is everyone willing to wait to see if damascus is serious? does he get until -- does assad get until mid next year? >> i think we'll get guy indication within a week or two whether the assad regime has to declare what stockpiles they have and as early as november the inspectors are supposed to be on the ground. i don't think it will take too long. if i can make one other point though, i think it's dangerous
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to overestimate both the incompetence and sometimes the competence of our adversaries if we were drawn in to this conflict. if we start with military strikes and arming the rebels and drawn into the civil war, the same folks that are calling putin a genius now will call putin a genius for drawing us into another conflict we don't want to be a part of. i think that is a mistake. >> what happens as far as you're concerned, three weeks goes by and assad is not serious. he's not going to do it. then what? are you going to let it sit in the seat at the u.n.? >> he's already said that even if he can't get a forced resolution out of the u.n. that, is a strike, he still holds that option open. you know, i just believe that it is what the president has done so far, i think has been right on course. keep in mind our constituents didn't want a strike. members of congress oh, they were so happy when they found out this deal was on the table.
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they didn't have to vote. but then when the president does something, he is the one person that made a decision. >> in the end though, does this -- let's say we find out syria is not serious. is the president's hand then strengthened to come back to congress and say i got to strike now or does he even have to come back to congress? >> i think the war powers act gives him the ability to act. i will tell you, however, i think his hand would have been strengthened significantly if congress would have given him the authority to -- for a surgical strike to degrade their chemical weapons use an he look like a commander in chief. all of that confusion allowed putin to step in and fill the void. i think that's a problem. and here's the problem here -- but here's the problem here. >> we're democrats. >> this was a bipartisan failing. but it was also a lack of credibility that the president couldn't present the national security case. >> i have to say one thing here. this agreement, as tough as it
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i is, holds the proms of taking these weapons off the market. if we went with aa military strike, that would not prevent the weapons from falling into the hands of al qaeda when the regime falls. this agreement may do it. now it may not. it may fall flat on its face. this is the only thing we've seen thus far that has the potential of being our core national security interests and that is taking the weapons off battlefield. >> chemical weapons are important to remove from the battlefield, absolutely agreed. they fire well over 100 scud missiles at civilians. we needed it to step up. we need that credible threat authorized by congress not so he can take a strike but so that he can lead the negotiation. right now we're being led by the nose by putin through this h horrible thing we call the united nations. that stops us from the higher
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security of chemical weapons and it is dangerous if it falls into the hands of al qaeda and hezbollah. >> i do buy into the idea that if president putin's credibility is largely on the line. there has to be a cease-fire sooner rather than later in order to get those inspectors in. so we're going to know fairly quickly. i don't know how many days or weeks that is it. it can't go on. it has to happen immediately. >> i think we'll have a pretty good idea of where we're going this week. this is going to be a step-by-step situation. i think they have deadlines to meet. strict deadlines. >> next week. >> so i think we'll begin -- >> someone says it wasn't enough. we'll give them three more days. >> i think we have to expect what is going to happen. there are going to be delays. but when you look at how these inspections have worked in past, even with saddam hussein was obscuring, delaying, obstructing, nonetheless, the inspections were largely successful. this is going to be a long, hard road but it is promising. i think for one other reason,
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that is this does hold the potential of leading us to a broader talk, to bring this to a negotiated end. and that, i think, is a window of opportunity we have to see. >> i have to stop it here. i need a yes or no off what congressman cummings said, not one day, not two days, no delay, does everybody agree with syria? >> i think we already had one tw too many red lines. i'm not drawing one here. >> i think you need to have an enforcement mechanism, maybe the fifth fleet would work, to enforce their ability to get to a settlement. >> congressmen, thank you all so much for being here. >> coming up, secretary of state kerry contradicts himself. weekdays are for rising to the challenge. they're the days to take care of business. when possibilities become reality. with centurylink as your trusted partner,
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to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack, be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. up next, was this diplomacy or did john kerry box himself in? >> he can turn over every bit of his weapons in the next week and turn it over, all of it without delay and allow a full and total accounting for that. but he isn't about to do it. and can't be done, obviously. >> things have changed a bit. cornell, newt gingrich is next. [ male announcer ] in your lifetime, you will lose 3 sets of keys 4 cell phones 7 socks and 6 weeks of sleep but one thing you don't want to lose is any more teeth. if you wear a partial, you are almost twice as likely to lose your supporting teeth. new poligrip and polident for partials 'seal and protect' helps minimize stress, which may damage supporting teeth,
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i purposely made the statements i made in london and i did indeed say it was impossible and he won't do it. even as i hoped it would be possible and wanted him to do it. and the language of diplomacy sometimes requires that put things to the test and we did. >> john kerry either making the impossible possible or trying to cover up a sizable gap. joining me around the table, "crossfire" host, newt gingrich, also a "crossfire" host and president and ceo for the center of american progress. so who buys what explanation for how this administration got itself to the table with russia? >> i don't think -- look, i think we get tied up in the explanation. the truth of the matter is, and i know there is a lot of talk of whether it is good or bad, the
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president is getting what he wants. i didn't run for office to get us more involved for wars. he ran for office to get us out of wars. in the end, we're not dropping bombs over there. and he is now involved and he's at the table. he has skin in the game. in the end, he's going to get rid of the chemical weapons. we're not going to war. the american people don't want to. >> i can't believe how naive that sounds. in the end, whether the president ran for office to do this or not is irrelevant. will is so much more at stake than the president's leg soin that. there's obviously what's going on in the ground in syria, iran, north korea, our other enemies that are watching what we do, watching this confusion, this lack of clarity, this spinelessness on red lines that don't get met. the whole point of going in and having these limited strikes, i was told, was to punish assad for those chemical weapons strikes. now we're saying russia is on it. we don't need to punish them anymore. i'm sorry, no one believes that
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is possible. they've been moving chemical weapons. hezbollah probably has them already. this is a farce. we're all in for a very rude awakening. >> so we should go and start dropping bombs. is that your point? >> yes, absolutely. we need to put our muscle where our mouth is. >> that is clearly not where the american people are. >> i actually think that those statements are naive. i think the idea that you're just going toy say that hezbollah has chemical weapons is outrageous. nobody says that. none of -- if hezbollah had chemical weapons, israel would be moving them. >> who would help? >> i think the question at the end of the day is what is in united states' national security interest and what is in the united states national security interest is insuring that chemical weapons are not used. that's been the goal. i think what is depressing is that instead of seeing this as an achievement for american
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national security interest, we're looking at another way to score points again the president. >> nothing has happened. what have we achieved so far? >> i've never seen you quite so shy. >> i'm listening because i think we're at a very interesting point for america. 85% of the american people were against getting involved in the syrian civil war. that is the highest number i suspect since before pearl harbor. and people are sick of the violence. they are sick of the middle east. they are sick of where we are as a country right now. what you have strategically, and i think mike rogers got it just right. you have putin playing chess. you have obama playing, frankly, a very lucky game of tic-tac-toe. they were going to lose in the house badly. they were not going to be able to execute air strikes without causing a huge convulsion in the united states. putin stepped in. but he didn't step in to save barack obama. he stepped in to maximize russian influence in the middle
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east. that is strategically the defeat for the united states, the biggest defeat since the -- >> i want to throw something in here. i want to throw a little more gasoline on the fire. this is from joe klein, "time" magazine. president obama certainly sympathetic with a lot of obama policy. speaking of the president, he has damaged his presidency and weakened the nation's standing in the world. it has been one of the most stunning and inexplicable displays of presidential incompetency ever witnessed. >> he said that before we actually got this deal. >> there's no deal. >> the thing i would disagree with is just that if you look at this deal or this agreement between russia and the united states, this deal is really much more in the u.s.'s interest. if it happens. and you know what is amazing about it is we will be able to test this in a month because the big issue with chemical weapons
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use is the mixing of equipment and mixing of equipment is what they have to turn over or actually destroy in the next month. so we're not talking about three years in testing this. we're talking about testing this in the next month. >> we'll see. >> the truth of the matter is frankly the president's threat of using military action got this out of the back of classroom. guess what? he looks bad as americans are dropping missiles on his allies. he has skin in this game also. >> 15 seconds. >> the fact is russian influence in the middle east increased dramatically. we're relying on the russians. we're now following from behind, not leading from behind. this is not a good long term position. >> terrible. >> i have to take a a quick break. the president blasts congress for dragging their knuckles on a re-authorization vote. >> last year we ran into this neanderthal crowd that, you know -- you know what i mean?
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our credit ceiling sometime next month. i want to set this off by showing you a couple of polls. this is after the syrian crisis began. and our cnn poll question was how is the president handling the economy? 43% approve. not great. but that's like had 4 44% in ap. so no change in how he's handling the economy. who is more responsible if the government is shut down? obama 33%. that's actually down about five points from march. and republicans, they'll blame 51%. and that is up 11 points. so it seems to me syria might be a one off. >> look, 35% approve of the way the president has handled syria. and those 35% would probably approve of the president coming in and stealing their cat. so i think while syria might be treated as an isolationist
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issue, they also disapprove of obama care. they have not passed the president's initiatives on gun control. immigration has stalled. so i think what democrats are trying to do and you saw harry reid and joe biden trying to do, they say don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain. the problem with your life are these neanderthals and anarchists in the republican party. and it just isn't where the country is at right now. >> i think the reality of where we are on the budget deal which we saw last we can was what can the house produce to avoid a government shutdown? and i think boehner showed that so far they can't lead their caucus to a deal. they were embarrassed by having to pull down another veil. this now happens all the time. and i think what reid and vice president biden were saying was that there is, you know, this very -- this group of
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that are just making it impossible to come to any kind of deal. that's where we are. >> here's the problem. they were dysfunctional before syria and they're dysfunctional now. we talk about -- >> the question is whether the president's hand has been strengthened or weakened on capitol hill. >> it doesn't matter. they'll try to block everything before syria and everything after syria. that's the fundamental problem. you know who didn't want to vote on syria is speaker boehner? his caucus was going to go on retreat. say what you will about this guy. actually, he had more control over his caucus than boehner does right now. boehner has no control over his caucus. >> democrats were going to vote against it too. >> if they lost, it wasn't because nancy pelosi didn't deliver votes she needed. let's be clear about that. >> i don't think anyone ever controls a republican congress. you can lead it but you can't control it. >> you led it more effectively. >> disagree.
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>> i led it to two government shutdowns. i led it to first re-election since 1928. this is great crisis for the republicans. they can't say everything is wrong with obama care and fund it. yet the president clearly is going to go to the mat over obama care. >> obama care passed congress years ago and you're still litigating it. and the president was re-elected. >> republicans are out going, hair on fire, we need to stop part of this. >> we're trying to compliment you, newt. >> the president hurt himself significantly by the way he maneuvered. the joe kind comments are out there. they say they would vote no on larry summers if named to be head of federal reserve. that couldnwouldn't happen six
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ago. you see harry reid having to dance around and postpone the vote he was arguing passionately for pivoting in a matter of hours. i think we're drifting toward a very fundamental fight. i think it's unavoidable. i think that it's going to happen. i think that the president has a huge decision to make. in the end, this country takes the governing party which is the presidency, and holds them accountable and the problem they have is the economy is not growing very much. things aren't very good. obama care's implementation is painful. that's coming together to cause -- you can blame republicans. fight next year is between the pain of the democratic presidency and the described radicalism. >> by next year you mean mid terms. >> here's where the problem is. you show president's numbers. there was a poll showing congress' numbers. congress's numbers are worse by a lot.
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you know who is on the ballot in a year? not the president. it will be congress. congress is going to be on the ballot and you know who controls congress right now? republicans are in control. >> they don't control the senate. >> the senate isn't blocking everything. they pass bills where they go to house and die. that's the fundamental problem. >> the analysis of where republicans are on obama care is superficial. they oppose it on political and principle stances. they don't want to help implement it because once you give away benefits it's impossible to take them back. there's preplanning here and also the idea they feel like it's a moral hazard to help them implement this law is helping them to sign up for loans they can't afford. it's a crisis of conscience. >> thank you all so much. when we return, president obama just spoke about syria. we have details and at the top
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of the hour, henry kissinger and zbigniew brzezinski join fareed zakaria on the state of play between the u.s., russia and syria. one thing we know for sure about oil pipelines -- they corrode, they leak, they burst. 300 times a year on average. from kalamazoo, michigan to mayflower, arkansas. i'm tom steyer. each week we're visiting places that know what it would mean if transcanada is allowed to build the keystone pipeline
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an update now on that agreement reached between the u.s. on russia on how to remove chemical weapons from syria. that agreement has been criticized by many who said there are no teeth in it. no way to enforce it. secretary of state kerry who is now traveling in israel and then to europe to talk with allies came out and pushed back telling reporters the threat of force remains real. we of course are following that story as well as another. this one out of colorado. the governor told me earlier this hour he's pleased with the amount he's receiving from the federal government but his state isn't out of trouble yet. nearly 500 people are still unaccounted for. more rain is expected today which could hamper further rescue efforts. rescue verse moved almost 2,000 people out of boulder in the past few days. ev though most roads have been completely washed away. thank you s
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