sources." if you missed a program, go to itunes on monday or go to cnn.com/reliable. if you have something to say to us, tweet at us @reliable. joan us again next sunday at 11:00 a.m. candy crowley with "state of the union" is next. already a busy day. we're going to bring you news from obama's interview on friday, including the president's reaction to an editorial from russian's president vladimir putin that many lawmakers found insulting and condescending. john kerry says that -- excuse me. the syrian president bashar al assad will turn over an accounting of his chemical weapons arsenal within a week. that's to rid syria of all of the chemical weapons.

first this morning, at least four people are dead, more than 500 unaccounted for in flooding across more than 150 miles of colorado's front range. record breaking rains have touched an area roughly the size of connecticut. late this week it was so bad the national weather service issued an update for the foothills reading major flooding, flash flooding event under way this time with biblical rainfall amounts reported in many areas. whatever that means, they got the picture. governor john hickenlooper is joining me right now. can you give me an update on the situation? >> we're still bracing ourselves. the heavy rain hasn't started in the foothills yet but they are predicting some serious rain, flash floods from the foothills out to the plains, the platt

river is 14 feet high in washington county. there's also the flood stage out on the platt where they are evacuating several thousand people. quite a wide swath. >> how confident are you in the 500 unaccounted for, we know many may have gotten out or fine but simply don't have any kind of phone service, cell or otherwise. are there people, do you think, that are stuck somewhere on kind of an island with the roads around them completely flooded that have yet to be rescued? >> well, i think there are people like that, not in peril but they have been two or three days without power, cell phones,

internet connection so they are pretty frustrated and probably anxious. in many cases, anxious. so we're trying to find them. unfortunately the cloud cover today is going to make it more difficult to do the search and rescue that we did. yesterday we removed almost 2,000 people. at one point we had 15 helicopters in the sky. today we won't have that just because of the weather. we're not going to have that capacity. >> and when you look at the totality of this, it was called by the weather service sort of flooding of biblical proportions. so i'm sure you haven't seen any of it in your lifetime. what's it going to take for an area this big to come back? >> oh, it will come back. we've got a lot of broken roads and bridges but we don't have any broken spirits. i think we're already working -- the governor in vermont, they went through this with hurricane irene and really found some fast

and official ways to rebuild better than before. he's sending by 11:00 tomorrow morning, we'll have three of his top engineers coming out here meeting with our people because we realize time is of the essence. the weather is going to clear up either tomorrow morning or tomorrow afternoon. we're hopeful that we'll get a dry patch in here, get the water out of the system. but we can't wait, even as we try to continue the rescue, we have to plan how to rebuild so we're better off afterwards than we were even before the flood. >> colorado governor john hickenlooper, you will be doing work long after this is out of the headlines. thanks for your work. >> you bet. back to the deal between the u.s. and russia to eliminate chemical weapons, joining me now from beirut, arwa damon. arwa, what is rich sha is the

main patron but there are a lot of rebels, the syrian opposition which isn't one group but many, what are you learns about how they feel about this deal? >> well, candy, we heard from the head of the free syrian army who said they completely rejected this initiative. you're not even going after the perpetrator of the crime. they want justice. additionally, he's saying that they need more to be done. they effectively want a ban to be imposed on bashar assad's use of his air force, effectively a no fly zone to be enforced over the country and they are also saying that they will not be part of the geneva two talks. at the end of the day, they have

been completely sidelined in this entire initiative being put forth by the americans and the russians, candy. >> how about so many humanitarian activists either monitoring or in the country. reaction to them at least staving off for now any kind of u.s. missile strike. >> well, they were actually hoping that the u.s. would use this opportunity that they had with the russians and assad and they are saying that there are areas in syria under siege for nearly a year now, candy. and we've been reporting on videos talking to people who live there. these are areas where children who are the most vulnerable, either because they already have an illness or are getting nutrition-related illnesses or they've been wounded and their bodies can't heal themselves are

beginning to die, according to some doctors, of malnutrition. the icrc has not been able to access these areas for months because the syrian government is not giving them permission. and they are wondering, these activists inside, why it is that the u.s. is not using this opportunity to bringing up the issue to allow humanitarian access. that has to be part of any initiative moving forward. >> so many awful story he is coming out of syria now. thank you so much, arwa damon. i really appreciate it. we are also getting the first comments from president obama responding to that "new york times" op-ed on friday from vladimir putin. the president spoke on abc. >> i don't think that mr. putin has the same values that we do and i think obviously by protecting mr. assad, he has a different attitude about the assad regime. but what i've also said to him

directly, we both have an interest in preventing chaos, we both have an interest in preventing terrorism. as long as mr. assad is in power, there is going to be some sort of conflict there. >> joining me now, senator bob casey, a democrat from pennsylvania and ron johnson, a republican. let me get your reaction to that. both countries don't -- are worried about the spread of terrorism, they are both worried about chemical weapons. is that why -- we'll start with you, senator casey, why you believe that russia came to the table? >> well, i think that's part of the equation here, candy. but i think far too much time has been spent on this op-ed by president putin. we shouldn't spend any more time

on it. what we should focus on is making sure we do everything possible to make this framework agreement viable and to make it work. i have a lot of doubts about it. i have real concerns about the ability of either side to effectuate this. the assad regime has a deadline in a week to give information about where these sites are, give every last detail about where they are and if they don't doe that, we have to remind them or remind the world that the credible threat of force is still on the table. that's what got us to this point and we have to make sure that mr. assad knows that that threat is still there. >> senator johnson, when you look at this framework and test t the u.s. and russian relationship and not to mention the syrian relationship, do you

trust both or neither in being able to bring this to fruition? >> i think most americans know that there the russians don't share our values. what we also know is because of the way that the president has handled all of this, certainly american influence in the region has been diminished and russian's influence has been increased. not for the syrian people and quite honestly not for stability but the fact of the matter is, there are shared interests that we need to take advantage of. i think the president is right. i don't think it's in russia's best interest to have those chemical weapons fall in the hands of al qaeda. it's not in russia's best interest to have chaos in syria as well. again, russia is the primary reporter of the criminal assad regime. we feed to recognize that. but also if -- and it's a big if -- if that framework could be

implemented, that would be a positive gain. so this administration must push this diplomatic effort hard and make sure that the russians are good on their rhetoric so we can actually remove those chemical weapons and the capability of the assad regime. >> i want -- you both have mentioned the stability of syria overall. is it true that about 100 times as many rebels have been killed by convention weapons as much as the chemical weapons. if you remove the chemical weapons, certainly assad still has a major advantage in the field. the president, as you know, two years ago called for assad to step aside. he said he wanted assad removed and in this interview on abc he said, look, my primary concern, of course, is the chemical weapons and then he talked about security. >> so i have a primary concern there. i also believe that the u.s. has

an interest in seeing a stable syria in which people aren't being slaughtered and it is hard to envision how mr. assad regains any kind of legitimacy after he's gassed or his military has gassed innocent civilians and children. and so part of my argument here is that we will not intervene militarily to bring that transition about. but all the countries in the region and i think the entire world and the united nations should have an interest in trying to bring about the stability. >> so the president, it seems to me, has gone from assad has to go to it's hard to envision how he could stay. do you think that by coming to this agreement on chemical weapons that we now are at a point where we step back a lttle from trying to help the

rebels? go ahead, senator casey. >> no, candy. i think our national security interests are at stake related to the threat of the use of chemical weapons. remember, soldiers in world war i were exposed to chemical weapons. u.s. soldiers. that hasn't been the case for almost 100 years. we should never allow that threat to be preb present. a clear and present danger to american personnel or the american people. but separate and apart, and now we're at a point where there may be a pathway, to remove the threat of chemical weapons out of syria. what do we do next? i believe it's in our national security interests to make sure that the assad regime doesn't prevail here, for this reason. i think it's bad in and of itself but let's not forget, few people in washington seem to understand this but the iranian

regime plots against american citizens every single day. so does their partner hezbollah the terrorist organize sgags. they've killed more americans than any group other than al qaeda in the world. the iranian regime tried to blow up a restaurant in washington in 2011, which was -- killed lots of americans. so that side prevailing there is very bad for our interests and would be very bad for the region and anyone who equates the two and says that both sides are equally bad doesn't understand what they are talking about. i understand there are extreme elements on the other side and we've got to deal with that for sure. but it's better for our national security interests if mr. assad loses, the iranian regime loses and hezbollah loses. that's better for us. >> and yet we're hearing from some people, senator johnson, that this deal in fact kind of strengthens assad's hand in some ways. >> well, candy, we don't have a deal yet.

we have the framework. senator casey has really been one of the leaders on the hill pointing out why syria does matter to americans. it really does. i hope the president and members of his administration have learned some lessons here. you don't go out and state policy like mubarak must go or assad must go and create red lines unless you've laid the groundwork and explained to the american public and certainly gotten their support and assembled a coalition of the willing to back up the policy statements that you make. now, america's credibility is incredibly precious and president obama when he met with us before the speech and said don't undermine america's credibility. i don't want to do that. i agree with that. i just wish this president learns the lessons from the past because he's done an awful lot to undermine his own credibility in the last five years. if this framework can be implemented, that's a very good first step and hopefully starts

the dialogue with the russians because they are the number one benefactors of support of syria. they are going to need to be actively engaged for a support for syria and at this days it's the best case scenario. so we don't have a failed state in syria but we have to remove the criminal assad regime from power. >> senator ron johnson, bob casey, thanks for your time today. >> can i add something? >> yes, go ahead. >> i should have mentioned that i hope that we -- now that this policy is on a pathway that we can start to focus on the other policy, which is making sure that we arm the opposition, which i think is one way to make sure that the moderate opposition is in power and can win. >> senator casey, senator johnson, thank you into when we return, more than 25 years later, president obama channels one of his predecessors about dealing with the russians.

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joining me around the table, nick burns, a former ambassador to nato, anthony zinny who led the u.s. command in the 1990s and david kay, former chief weapons inspector in iraq. let me just get a broad brush from you all because the criticism generally boils down to this. we can't trust the russians or

the iraqis to follow up on this deal and there's no teeth in them anyway. any opinion? >> i think there's more goodness deal than bad for the united states. a week ago today, if anybody had said assad would declare that he had chemical weapons, that was far-fetched. that's progress in one week. secondly, when he gives up those weapons, if he does, because implementation will be key, he's going to lose authority in arab culture. they were an entintimidation far that he had with his own people and the u.s. has very carefully said, president obama said this morning, we reserve the right to use force if he renigs. that's not a bad deal for the united states. >> i think it's clever, it looks aggressive, it is. it's aspirational but it has

objectives along the way that if either the syrians or russians are putting on the back peddles, it will be clear, you'll be able to tell. i think that's important in dealing with people that you don't trust. >> is it unanimous? >> well, yes. but from a military perspective, i would want to know what is the military role going forward. i mean, are we going to be the threat that hangs over this to make sure there's compliance? is there a role for the military to support the inspectors? we did in iraq. so i think that we need more of this strategic look and plan and all potential options in this very complex thing going forward, especially in terms of how we use our military. >> exactly. because let's face it, these inspectors are going to walk into a civil war in which there are not two sides. there are multiple sides. some of whom would very much like to get their hands on these chemical weapons. so inspectors, as far as i know, are not armed.

>> that's right. >> so someone may have to protect them in these regions. who do you leave that to? >> well, with regard to the framework agreement, just like in iraq, the responsibility of the host country, that is the syrians, provide protection to the inspectors. it's a double-edged sword. they can use that it's too dangerous to go there because it is too dangerous or a fudge. and there's no operation by the framework laid on the rebels and the rebels are not the rebels and would be happy to see an inspector dead and blame it on the regime. >> and vice versa. you could hear them say that they were killed by rebels. some of whom have done some pretty terrible things. some of whom the u.s. believes are in the up and up as far as you can get in a war and then

you have a regime that is now going into hospitals and torturing people who are wounded, you know, in front of their parents and sometimes children. so it just seems to be chemical weapons inspectors and it seems like at some point you just have to say how can we protect them and how many do you need? >> the inspectors are taking an unprecedented risk in terms of entering into a civil war. if you meet the needs of the framework, inspection through november, you would require -- it's a wild guess. at least 500 to do any sort of decent job and, quite frankly, i'd prefer to have twice that number. >> so 1,000 inspectors when -- >> you'll never get that many. >> right. >> so anthony zinni, we learned this in iraq, did we not, that you can just do the nutshell

with the pea under it and move these things around. how able is the u.s. military or the israeli surveillance -- how able are we to know if assad is not moving these things around to fool us? >> well, in the case of iraq, we concentrated a lot of collection assets there. as a matter of fact, we flew youtube -- when the plane cleared iraqi air space, it became a u.n. plane. your point is well taken. there will be a lot more assets that will have to be in support of this effort and a lot of dwell time over this area to ensure that we can track these things. >> special surveillance as opposed to the kind of -- sometimes on and sometimes not. nick, i want to play something for you. the president and their officials have said wa we hat w

is about the iranians and we found this little snippet interesting. >> i think the iranians who we communicate with in direct ways. >> have you reached out to the president? >> i have. and he's reached out to me. we haven't spoken directly. >> letters? >> yeah. >> i mean, that's pretty good, right? >> i think there are two opportunities now for the administration. and iran is involved in both of them. one is, we've got to reassert our leadership. it hasn't been a great two weeks for the united states. one way to do that is to take the lead and saying that all of the countries in the region, including iran and russia and the arab countries need to help these refugees. 110,000 people dead. six million refugees, four million displaced internally and to say that iran is one of the countries that helps i think is an interesting departure for

president obama. secondly, we need to stop the war. we're out of the regime business. so if that's the case, we should want to make sure that this war doesn't spill over into lebanon or jordan or to iraq. a long-term political settlement, the united states needs to be deeply involved if that. iran is key to that. as you say, candy, both of those, if we begin to work with the iranians, which is a very tough regime, if you can do that, that might influence in a more positive way the much bigger interest. >> obviously that was the administration's argument, that it was important to send iran a signal. this was when we were intent on sending missiles into syria. it was important to send iran a signal so that the u.s. says what it means and mean what is it says. is that the signal that iran has gotten from the u.s. in the past couple of weeks? >> i think it's probably been confusing for them. they probably have seen an opportunity here. i think prior to this they would

have been convinced that we intended to act if we crossed the red line there, knowing the iranians see everything as a potential opportunity to exploit and i'm sure they are calculating how they could take advantage of this and maybe push the edge of the envelope. >> and when it comes to the inspectors and protecting the inspectors, it seems to me that there are very few countries that the u.s. and russia and syria would all agree upon to be a part of that. >> well, probably even fewer countries have actually had a technical expertise to do it. >> because it's us, right? >> it's us, the brits, russians, germans, chinese that are available. you know, that's a problem with every -- i had russians on my team in iraq and i felt that they performed really well. this is going to be a more difficult thing primarily because of the civil war and the fact that we're arming some of the rebels.

so everyone who is an american is going to be viewed at least as a potential intelligent agent, a potential of someone in favor of the rebels and as well as an inspector. >> is that reason or not to keep first u.n. -- any american-born inspectors, any u.s. citizens as inspectors and to say that the u.s. cannot be in the business of being at least in country and protecting? >> we're going to have americans on the ground in any capacity, i hope we've learned the lesson that you better be prepared, not only provide for their security but bail them out if necessary. >> the framework agreement calls for the p-5, which is us along with the russians, germans, chinese to be on the ground as part of the inspection. i think we will have americans on the ground and, look -- >> do you think u.s. military personnel will be on the ground? >> no. >> you think u.s. inspectors --

the u.s. will provide u.s. inspectors. >> yes. >> and then if one of them gets in trouble -- >> that's my point. >> we've gotten in trouble before. yeah. >> and then the u.s. will have to come save them. >> we better. >> okay. gentlemen, i don't know whether this has gotten more complicated or less complicated. i hope you will come back. we really appreciate your time. david kay, nick burns, admiral zinni. our political panel is up next. [ male announcer ] at northrop grumman, we've always been on the forefront of innovation. when the world called for speed... ♪ ...when the world called for stealth... ♪ ...intelligence... endurance... affordability... adaptability... and when the world asked for the future. staying ahead in a constantly evolving world. that's the value of performance.

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welcome back. before we go any further, a correction from the last segment, the man you saw was retired u.s. marine corps general zinni. he was not an admiral. what can i tell you, general

zinni, we appreciate it. joining me now, maria cardona, ana navarro. so we have a great thing and then on the other side it's basically two questions. can we trust the syrians and the russians and why do we expect syria to do something unless their teeth are in this? >> look, we can not trust mr. putin. that's why the president said we have to verify this. but what we can hope is that this deal with yield the results if the united states is seeking and that is to destroy the syrian use of these chemical weapons, destroyed their stockpile and hopefully -- i don't know if anyone is saying this but we should say this -- we need a cease fire in israel.

>> honestly, that kind of clouds up the picture. i think the president has been pretty clear about, okay, this is about chemical weapons only because once you start expanding it to cease fires, something assad is not likely to do when he's in a position of strength in the field -- >> the president keeps talking about the people who died in the chemical weapon. there are 1400 people who died in the chemical weapon. it was awful and brutal. but there are 110,000 people who have died in the civil war and it's as if that has absolutely nothing to do with the agreement between the russian and the united states. assad is not even part of this gre agreement. the rebels haven't even been mentioned. i don't see how this is a good outcome for anybody. >> i want to play you something that john mccain said. he called this agreement meaningless and an expression of provocative weakness. here's what he said. >> i know that the free syrian army, who have been sacrificing and dying, are very upset about

it. second of all, the president two years ago said bashar al assad must go. there's no provision for that in this agreement. and third of all, the united states -- when the united states secretary of state said any military strike would be unbelievably small, that's not very intimidating to bashar al assad who has, since this pause, stepped up his attacks and step up his air attacks and sla slaughtered more syrians. >> everybody is focused on the process. i completely agree, we should not take the russians at their word. we have to verify, verify, verify. at the end of the day, if we take away their ability to use chemical weapons, that's a huge deal. look at where we are now as opposed to even two weeks ago. assad had not even admitted that he had chemical weapons. we've now come a very long way. what does this do in terms of

the civil war. it's still a big if and again we have to verify. if we get to a point where we can go down the road making sure that they get rid of their chemical weapons, that sets the stage for an international process where we can go to a negotiation for the end of the civil war. >> you know, i'm a catholic. i guess putin does now, too. miracles may happen but i think it's a very big if. one of the problems with this deal is it's what has got john mccain very frustrated. i spoke to him last night, saw him in morning. there is no teeth in this deal. in order to use force, you have to go back for a second u.n. vote where russia is on the security council. so at that point, you know, president obama -- if they don't follow through, is president obama willing to act alone? he hasn't shown the willingness

to do that in the last two years. >> the worry of the republicans is that he hasn't pulled the trigger and he hasn't acted unilaterally. the president tried to bring us through this diplomatic chain of event and now we're going to get assad to put his weapons in the int tha international control. >> come on, donna. >> very consistent all along. >> now russia is calling the shots and this this is a chance for putin to step up. guess what happened? what happened was, with the threat of force, the russians said, holy gee sdplchz, if we d step up, they have to work with us and have to prove -- >> ladies -- thank you.

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washington and the united nations in syria and russia. >> nonetheless, the president has lost stature, he's saying, in the back and forth that we're going to go to war, no we're not, the russians may help out. and my question too pivot you to domestic, we've got these two deadlines coming up, right? we've got the budget authority that runs out. the government essentially runs out of money and then maybe we'll run up against the debt ceiling that congress is going to have to raise. do you think that the president in any way, shape, or form has lost ground here in being able to push this sort of thing through congress? >> again, it's a poker game that we play here in washington, d.c. >> i'll pretend that you don't like playing poker. >> i don't like to play poker because i don't like to lose

money. president obama has tried in many ways like president eisenhower to reflect upon all of the options that we have, bring in the republicans, bring in the democrats, try to craft a deal that i think will be helpful to moving us along and on syria, he has a two-track strategy. i want to go back to strategy but he's keeping military option on the table and at the same time pursing a diplomatic front. >> when jimmy carter -- president jimmy carter who was viewed as being very weak internationally is worried about president obama looking weak internationally, houston, you've got a problem. but i think there's something that we haven't seen before and i think it should be a wake-up call to the white house. we saw democrats criticize his team and say, we are not there for you. this is the first time that even democrats have abandoned the president on such a high-profile issue. i think it's important they

continue establishing relationships and reaching out to congress. >> i think what we've seen -- >> you've played a clip from the president. i'm a foreign policy person. i don't want to say anything much about the debt ceiling but the president laid down another red line. he said i'm not going to deal with you on this question. why having gone through this on syria does he want to keep on doing that? >> maria -- >> and we've seen it in his economic dealings and we're seeing it in syria. he doesn't care about the short-term parlor game talk. his focus is on the long game. in syria, if at the end of the day we get a framework where we can get rid of chemical weapons, it's going to be a victory for the world, for humanity, for the united states and i think to the chagrin of some of my republican friends, we have seen them very

successfully elongate and we're not seeing them want to do a deal. >> we all haven't seen in the last two weeks -- >> we have. >> wait. let me finish because you had your turn. it's almost like we haven't seen that this was not a strategy. this was not thought out. this was going every day as it went along. we saw a president with that same book. >> going back to the debt ceiling, the govern in the shutdown, mr. boehner had to pull a continuing resolution because he cannot corall his own -- >> will the government shut down?

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an update on our top story, a sixth person is presumed dead in the flooding that has consumed large parts of colorado. about 500 are still unaccounted for and more rain is expected today. rescuers have moved almost 2,000 people out of boulder in the past few days even though most roads have been completely washed away. i spoke with governor hickenlooper earlier this hour and he said we have a lot of broken roads and bridges but we don't have any broken spirits. stay tuned for the disaster in colorado.