and you had this perfect storm, and millions of americans lost their jobs, their homes, their savings. they had been working a lifetime to get. but what the recession also showed was the fact that for decades, middle-class families had been working harder and harder just to get by, hadn't seen their incomes go up, hadn't seen their wages go up. manufacturing was moving overseas. and so what built our middle class had been buckling. had been weakening. and i think if you ask most americans when the economic crisis hit, they might not date it to lemans brothers collapsing. they would talk to you about when they got a pink slip that they didn't expect or the bank took away their home, or they didn't have health insurance. or maybe they were told the plant was shutting down and the assembly line was going quiet.

those were tough times. five years ago, plants like this one were closing their doors. and the day i stepped into the oval office, the american auto industry, which is the heartbeat of american manufacturing, heartbeat of american manufacturing. the auto industry was flatlining. ford was standing on its own two feet, had made some smort decisions, but allen will tell you, if gm and chrysler had gone down, suppliers would go down. dealers would have gone down. and all of that would have had a profound impact on ford. i refused to let that happen so we worked with labor, we worked with management. everybody had to make some sacrificed. everybody put some skin in the game. we bet on the american worker. we bet on you. and today, that bet has paid off because the american auto industry has come roaring back. [ cheers and applause ]

the big three are all profitable. higher new workers. not just building more cars. you're building better cars. better trucks. look at what's going on right here at the plant. the new f-150 is built tougher than ever, more fuel efficient than ever. you got trouble making them fast enough. you had to bring on a third shift of 900 workers just to keep up with demand. a budget d.

now, there's nothing new about that. you know, every year, congress has to pass a right now, our re still needs to build more strength, so it's important that we get it right in washington. because even though our success as a country is ultimately going to depend on great businesses like ford, hard workers like you, government has to do some things. congress has to pass a budget. to make sure our education system works. and prepares our kids. and our workers for the global economy. if we're going to rebuild our roads, our idges, our

airports, our ports, government's got to be involved in that. if we're going looking at all these newfangled pieces of equipment here. some of the things that allowed the efficiencies of this plant originated in laboratories and scientists doing work on the government's dime. that's how we matain our cutting edge. these are things that help us grow. these arehings that help the private sector succeed. so don't -- when people tell you somehow government is irrelevant, no. everything we do has some connection to making sure that we collectively as a democracy are making some smart investments in the future. that's how it's always been. so what dpresz is doing right

now is important. unfortunately, right now, the debate that's going on in congress is not meeting the test of helping middle class families. it's just -- they're not focused on you. they're focused on politics. they're focused on trying to mess with me. they're not focused on you. they're not focused on you. so there are two deadlines coming up that congress has to meet. and i want folks to pay attention to this. congress has to meet two deadlines and they're coming up pretty quickly. the first deadline, the most basic constitutional duty congress has is to pass a

budget. that's congress 101. if they don't pass a budget by september 30th, what's the date today? the 20th. all right, so if congress doesn't pass a budget in ten days, a week from monday, the government will shut down. a government shutdown shuts down many services that the american people rely on. this is not abstract. hundreds of thousands of americans will not be allowed to go to work. our men and women in uniform, even those deployed overseas, won't get their paychecks on time. small businesses, they won't get their loans procsed. now, none of that has to happen as long as congress passes a budget. number one, passing a budget.

number two, in the next few weeks, congress must vote to allow the department of the treasury to pay america's bills. all right? our treasury department, that's where we take in money and we pay it. right? real simple. this is usually done with a simple routine vote to raise what's called the debt ceiling. if you don't raise the debt ceiling, america can't pay its bills. since the 1950s, congress has always passed it. every president has signed it. democrats, republicans, ronald reagan. lyndon johnson, it doesn't matter. this is just a routine thing you've got to do so the treasury can pay the bills.

if congress doesn't pass this debt ceiling in the next few weeks, the united states will default on its obligations. that's never happened in american history. basically, america becomes a deadbeat. if the world sees america not paying its bills, then they will not buy debt treasury bills from the united states or if they do, they'll do it at much higher interest rates. that means somebody wanting to buy an f-150 will have toay much higher interest rates eventually, which means you will sell less cars. that's just one example of how profoundly destructive this could be. this is not some abstract thing. and this is important. raising the debt ceiling is not the same as approving more

spending. any more than making your monthly payments adds to the total cost of your truck. you don't say,well, i'm not going to pay my bill, m note for my truck because i'm going to save money. you're not saving money. you already bought the truck. right? you have to pay the bills. you're not saving money. you might have decided at the front end not to buyhe truck, but once you bault tought the t you can't say you're saving money just by not paying the bills. does that make sense? [ cheers and applause ] so raising the debt ceiling, it doesn't cost a dime. it does not add a penny to our deficits. all it says is, you have to pay for what congress already said we're spending money on. if you don't do it, we could have another financial crisis.

and the fact is, i know a lot of people are concerned about deficits. our deficits are now coming down so quickly, but that by the end of this year, we will have cut them in more than half since i took office. cut the deficits in half. so i just want to break this down one more time. i go into a ford dealership. i drive off with a new f-150. unless i paid cash, i've still got to pay for it each month. i can't just say, you know, i'm not going to make my car payment this month. that's what congress is threatening to do. just saying i'm not going to pay the bills. there are consequences to that. the bill collector starts calling you. right? your credit goes south. and you got all kinds of

problems. same is true for our country. so if we don't raise the debt ceiling, we're deadbeats. if we fail the increase the debt limit, we would send our economy into a tailspin. that's a quote, by the way, what i just said. you know who said it? the republican speaker of the house, john boehner. the republican speaker has said if we don't pay our bills, we'll have an economic tailspin. this is not just my opinion. this is everybody's opinion. all right. now, why haven't we already gotten it done if it's such a simple thing? that's -- everybody is nodding, like, yeah, why didn't we already get this done? democrats and some reasonable republicans in congress are willing to raise the debt ceiling and pass a sensible budget. and i want to work with democrats and republicans to do just that, claire mccaskill is

ready to do it. congressman cleave, he's ready to do it. and we just pass the budget, raise the debt ceiling, we can get back to focusing on growing the economy and creating jobs, educating our kids, all the things we have to do. unfortunately, there is -- >> you have been listening to the president. you can continue to do so. cnn.com/live. here he is at this ford stamping plant, liberty, missouri, touting, talking economic growth. but what we were listening to for the last ten minutes was the president speaking and addressing the house republicans' vote today, really strictly along party lines, voting once again to, quote/unquote defund obama care. here was the vote from earlier in the day for yourself. 230-189. now, this is about the 40th team that house republicans have held an anti-obama care vote.

what's new is this. they have attached this anti-obama care bill to this measure to fund the government past september 30th, so that means the legislation meant to avert as the president was discussing, to avert this government shutdown is dead on arrival, hearing harry reid call it doa if and when it gets to the senate, where they refuse to defund obama care which democrats consider as big an achievement as republicans consider a blunder. let's take you to washington to our cross fire host, newt gingrich. he has firsthand experience with government shutdowns. he's been there. mr. speaker, or newt, i guess, as we're now colleagues. you have played this game of who blinks first. you heard the president just then. what's your reaction? >> well, i think today's speech, like monday's speech, like tuesday's speech to the business roundtable, is one more step

towa towards hitting head on. the president could have stayed in washington. he could have sat down and talked with legislative leaders. he could have tried to find a solution. this is his third partisan attack in one week. part of what he says is just plain not true. the fact is that since president eisenhower, we have over and over again had things attached to the debt ceiling, so he's making a case to the audience there that's baloney. nobody is arguing about whether or not you should ultimately raise the debt ceiling. what we're arguing about is whether or not the legislative branch under our constitution is allowed to have amendments to modify it, to have conditions on it, and starting with president eisenhower in the 1950s, this has been a common labt. the president, frankly on monday, on tuesday, rather, at the business roundtable, was just plain not accurate. he was saying things that were false. and presidents shouldn't doing

that, particularly in a prepared tex where the white house could check it. second, there's no offer of any negotiation at all. having harry reid say something is dead on arrival so the senate gets to decide what does and doesn't happen historically, you have to have a negotiation. the republican -- house republicans have a strong position. the president has a strong position. >> the president and harry reid are saying no, you do what we want or nothing. under our constitution, the dually elected members of the house have a legitimate right to have a say on the continuing resolution and on the debt ceiling. >> you talked negotiations and we hear the president talk about what was it specifically, some democrats and reasonable republicans in congress. you have this push to repeal, defund obama care. we know the democrats think

that's nonsense, but there are republicans who agree. here's peter king. >> a wing in our party led by people like ted cruz who have been really, as far as i'm concerned, carrying out a fraud with the people by implying or saying that the strategy is going to win. >> newt, that's a pretty strong word, hearing republican congressman saying fraud, right? you have this republican saying that the path republicans have elected to take is a fraud. do you think, just listening the last couple days to john boehner, and guewe heard him to with eric cantor, do you see him as a strategist, as driving this thing? >> look, i think that the republicans have said over and over again how much they dislike obama care, how bad they think obama care is. you know, you just had, i think today, home depot announce that they're basically going to quit paying for insurance for 20,000 part-time workers and they're going to dump them on the government's change. you had the cleveland clinic

announce it's going to lay off 3,000 people in order to survive financially under obama care. we've had 301 different companies announce that they're going to put people on part-time work to avoid paying for their insurance. so there are a lot of things out there in the real world that don't exactly meet the president's vision of a government-run health system. the question is, is there some obligation on the part of the president and the senate democrats to negotiate with the elected leadership of the house. the president doesn't get to say, i have my four pet republicans and i can work with them. the overwhelming majority of the house republican congress, 230 votes, when they voted today, the overwhelming majority of the house republican congress has a firm position, i think they could be negotiated with. i think they probably could be talked into accepting significant modifications in obama care, but for example, the president is going to push ahead

to give people money on an honor system. now, we get $11 billion to $13 billion of fraud in the unearned income tax credit when we try to check. can you imagine how many billions of dollars are going to be given away inappropriately with an honor system? >> i hear you, but at the end of the day, if this has to go through the house and senate, ultimately, is it not up to -- you know how it works. is it not up to the president to say yea or nay? talk about a signature achievement. this is the quintessential cheement. why is he going to agree to any middle ground? >> the house has passed a bill that keeps the middle ground open. if the president chooses to close the government, that's his prerogative. if he would like to negotiate to avoid closing the government, that's his prerogative. he's the president, he gets to choose. if he wants to say obama care is so perfect, there's not a single thing we could fix, that's his prerogative. the country is going to watch and say this is not a

dictatorship. president don't get to dictate. at some point, this president has to sit down and negotiate, the longer he stays in this non-negotiating role, the weaker he's going to get. >> the deadline, as he pointed out and everyone is pointing out, september 30th. thank you so much. a reminder, watch newt and the rest of the gang on "cross fire." dote miss it, tonight 6:30 eastern. coming up, a 3-year-old gunshot victim. just think about that. three years of age. hit by a bullet. a little boy, among 13 people shot in a chicago park last night. is this a gun problem? is this a gang problem? we'll talk about that. plus, more than 850 snakes found inside one man's home. he's accused of running an illegal pet shop. i'll talk to somebody from the columbus zoo about how he allegedly pulled this off.

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bottom of the hour, i'm brooke baldwin. take a look at this face, at 3 years old, he will need plastic surgery. not because of something he was born with, but because of something seriously long with where me lives, chicago. he was shot in the fice. one of 13 people hit by gunfire last night at a park on the city's south side. his foomally is thankful he is expected to recover. but as for the streets of chicago where gun violence has killed more than 300 this year alone, you can hear the despair in the voices of his loved ones. >> you are killing these innocent people, kids, parents, grandparents, mother, fathers. it's got to stop. >> i go home, i'm in the bed. i get a call. he got shot in the face. a 3-year-old.

my nephew got shot in the face. >> 3 years old. chicago's mass shooting has prompted the mayor there, rahm emanuel, to cancel a trip to washington. he's promising the people responsible will be prosecuted. in the one time, one community leader said the personal who riddled the park with bullets needs to surrender for his own safety. >> there are people who know exactly who the shooter is, and i'm sure he will not be safe shooting 13 people. you can believe that. so if i were him, for the safety of him, himself, and his family, i would definitely turn myself in. >> want to go to jeremy, a reporter for the chicago tribune. i read your piece in the trib this morning. i know chicago police just held this news conference. the superintendent sounded tired, sick and tired of repeating himself and called for a ban on assault weapon. could you tell me more about that in. >> it's really early to tell in the investigation, you know, what this stemmed from.

the early indication, i'm told, is that it stemmed from a rivalry between two street gangs in the area. you know, that's early in the investigation, though, and it's really not that surprising. it could be either/or. it could be, you know, gangs and guns. you know, in that part of the south side. you know, that area in particular. there's a lot of gang gufreety on that block. not just gang graffiti from one gang representing itself, but one gang, you know, representing itself in graffiti, disrespecting another gang. so that area has been, you know, where the shooting was last night, is so entrenched with gang violence. as many of the south side communities, we've reported on in the last few years, that you've reported on as well. >> i was in the south side in 2009. i rode along with a gang member. i said, how many people have you killed? he said, i have no idea. are you remorseful?

not at all. interestingly, toward the end of the interview, he said hopefully the younger people won't make the mistake i have. he said he can't get out. i know you're on the streets, you talk to the people who live there, the cops. when the recorder is not rolling, how do they tell you, how do they think this violence will end? >> it's really hard to tell. that's, you know, a $20 million question. law enforcement has been racking their brains for years over this. one of things i heard from law enforcement is these criminals, these shooters, they keep getting younger and younger. you're seeing a lot of younger victims. you know, in the teens and their 20s. and you know, we did a piece last week about ten children 7 and under, who were shot in a span of seven weeks across the city. so that's -- you know, this seems like a continuation of that. and you know, what you're finding is not only are the victims young, but the

offenders, you know, once they're caught, prove to be young as well, like in their teens. >> you just shake your head like you said, the million dollar question is how does it stop? you look tired yourself, working. i'm sure, the story, all night long. i appreciate you being up for this so much. join me next hour. we're going to stay on this issue in chicago and i'll be talking live with the mother of a murdered chicago man who made headlines this week in a call for more gun control. we'll talk to her about what she thinks should change. meantime, investigators bust into illegal home business. and take a look at what they found. creepy crawley snakes. nearly 1,000 of them slithering around, and that is not all. we'll show you what other dangerous wildlife was kept in this one guy's home. across america people are taking charge

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animal care at the columbus zoo. you're for at the zoo. have you seen 850 snakes in one place before? >> no, i have never seen that many, although over the years there have been similar instances like this that have happened in ohio and other places that i have heard about. >> tell me where you are? are you near snakes? >> yes. behind me is hannah. she's a reticulated python we have on exhibit in our asia quest region of the zoo. you know, large snakes like this are not common, are not common pets. and we need to -- whoever has an animal like this needs to be very careful. we have very strict protocols ourselves in terms of when we go in and work with an animal of this size because even though it's a pet, if someone owns one, it's a pet, it's still a wild animal and still can be unpredictable. you can't become complacent.

>> in addition to the unpredictable animals, the snakes at this man's house, he also had turtles, frozen mice, tarantulas. i have to imagine there are potential dangers to the animals when they're all kept in one facility like this. >> you know, brooke, let me first say there are a lot of responsible hobbyists and pet owners and pet stores that are out there doing it the right way. i can't speculate how he acquired his animals or i haven't seen how -- the condition that they're in, but the unfortunate side of things is there is an underground or black market out there for exotic animals. and it is a concern in this country right now for safety reasons. as well as for wildlife reasons. i think you only have to look at the state of florida and the introduction of exotic species like those and pythons for an example. >> doug, thank you very much.

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ingovernor of colorado says the state is now in a race against winter. they have to repair the 200 miles of road and 50 bridges wiped out by this week's floods because snow will begin falling soon in the rockies. a rapid response team has been set up to make the repairs before the first of december, but the governor says, too, it could take not just one but two years to fix all the infrastructure damaged by the floods. >> absolutely confident that call rhodens are going to be able to rebuild the state better than it was before. and that's what i mean when i say that i have seen plenty of broken roads and bridges and homes, but i haven't seen a

single broken spirit. >> at least seven people died in the colorado flooding. three others are presumed dead. 17,000 buildings wr damaged including some 2,000 homes. and stay tuned. here's a look at what's coming up tonight on primetime. >> cnn tonight, at 8:00 on anderson cooper 360, a new resident of a small north dakota town wants to make it all white. >> it's not what. it's the first amendment. >> see how some longtime locals are fighting back. >> on piers morgan live at 9:00, who is really to blame in the death of michael jackson as the defense rests in the wrongful death trial. what does it mean for the doctor already behind bars for his death? piers gets conrad murray's side of the argument. erin burnett at 7:00, anderson cooper 360 at 8:00, and piers morgan at 9:00. coming up, the wait is over for customers and even some

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if you plan on hopping online today or this weekend for the new iphone, stay alert because a couple folks got robbed at gun point while they were in houston waiting in line at an at&t store earlier this morning. our affiliate is reporting two

guys with guns got out of a car, demanded these customers hand over the wailts, phones, tablets. they got away. they're in surveillance video. thapgfully, nobody was hurt. by the way, that shiny gold iphone that i know so many of you want to buy, well, it is sold out online until october. you know, we leave our dna everywhere without even realizing it, on the side of a wine glass, on a strand of hair left in a public rest room. what if i told you an artist is creating 3-d faces from the dna you are leaving behind? we learn more in today's technovations. >> you may want to think twice the next time you spit out your gum or drop a cigarette butt in public. new york artist heather dewy hagbore might pick it up, extract the dna, and turn it into a 3-d face that could look like you. >> a lot of my work begins with a question. in this particular case, the question was, what can i learn

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hour before kickoff, and he said the schedule conflict might happen, his wife dana was okay with it. he talked to cnn's rachel nichols. >> tell me what happened the morning your wife went into labor. >> i was way more fidgety, walking back and forth, doing things i don't normally do. i was so much more amped up. >> obviously, when she was pregnant and you go to the doctor and they say the due date is in the fall, you know it's possible that the baby could come on a sunday. >> yeah, it never really was an issue. we talked about it pretty quickly. it was what it was. to be honest with you, we never thought it would happen that way. >> ravens won sunday. the game ball went to daddy flacco. a little better than a cigar. >> coming up, parents livid after their kids went on a slavery inenactment trip that included racial slurs and white mast master threats. i'm going to talk live to the director about what the heck they were thinking.

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the president speaking in missouri last hour after house republicans voted once again to defund obama care. it's about the 40th time they have done so. each time, they have come up empty because the senate won't agree to it. it's just that simple. this time, the house republicans coupled their anti-obama care bill to this measure, this continuing resolution to fund the government past september 30th. that means this urgent bill to avert a government shutdown is dead on arrival in the senate because it now includes this anti-obama care provision, and democrats consider obama care to be really as big an achievement as republicans think it a blunder. here was the president. >> republicans in congress, they've tried to repeal or sabotage this more than 40 times. they've had these repeal votes. every time, they fail. this law that is in place is already providing people benefits. it's not holding back economic growth. it's helping millions of

americans, including some of you or your family members that you may not be aware of. >> i want to bring in another republican to talk about this. cnn political commentator ari fleischer. nice to see you. you know, i was talking to newt gingrich last hour, and he told me there is absolutely no problem with the republicans coupling this bill to fund the government with this anti-obama care measure. he said, you know, it happens all the time, my question to you, ari, is this the government funding bill, this is emergency legislation, is it not? why weigh down with something that spells doom? >> it's not going to be emergency legislation until about october 30th or october 31st. ten days out is forever the way they do it. if the president were to sign this bill, it would keep the government open and get rid of obama care. that would be popular in

independents, moderates. obama care has been an economic albatross. making people lose their health insurance overall, forcing them on to the exchange. so it would be popular. the problem is the president won't sign it. and therefore, in the next ten days, something needs to be done that senate won't pass it, something needs to be done to keep the government open. i suspect this is just the preliminaries and the real work is about to happen. >> what about your party. let's talk republicans because you have this divide now between the so-called moderates and then the so-called conservatives. now you have these conservatives, they're fighting one another over who's fighting harder to kill obama care. i want to play some sound. i know, listen to this house republican talking about senate republicans. >> we are going to give them exactly what they've asked for, the opportunity to fight in the senate on defunding obama care. you saw us explode with anger when they waved the white flag, saying, listen, we're not going to fight here. we're going to surrender.

we have been abused by these guys for so long. what i see happening now is people coming out and calling them out for the hypocrisy of these big, tough, conservatives who know how to fight but will never get in the ring. >> so i know ari fleischer you could come out and say, hey, brooke, you know, good debate is a healthy thing. even within your party, but it's not unusual, is it not, to hear one republican calling another republican a fraud, which we heard last hour, and you saw sean duffy right there calling other republicans hypocrites. all talk, no action. >> this is internally destructive for the republican party. republicans need to stop setting their sights on one another. they need to start doing what's best for the country. the reality is, so long as the senate is controlled by the democrats and the president is president obama, obama care is not going to be repealed. so it's disappointing when people raise expectations to give the indication that we can repeal it. all they do is let down the base of the party that would sorely

love for it to be repealed. it's just not realistic. what is realistic is to fund the government in the next ten days, to fund it at the level it was funded last year, which was recognizing republican victories, recognizes cuts in spending which we got through, and it should kept at that funding level, and on to the debt limit fight. president obama says he refuses to negotiate. well, that's just as abstructionist as anything else we have heard. he has to negotiate. he's the president of the united states. >> this budget issue may just be the preview to the debacle that is the debt ceiling. i'm sure ari fleischer we'll chat again. thank you very much. nice to see you. >> thank you, brooke. >> now i want you to take a look at this. this adorable little face. this is deon'tae howard. he is three years of age, and his family says he will need plastic surgery. it's not because of something he was born with. it's because of something seriously wrong with where he lives, chicago.

diante was shot in the face. one of 13 people hit by gunfire just last night at a park on the city's south side. chicago police say today it was likely gang related and his family is thankful he's expected to recover. but as for chicago, where gun violence has killed more than 300 this year alone, the frustration, the fatigue, you can hear it all in the voice you're about to hear. chandra robinson's son deion was murdered three years ago sitting on a porch in chicago. and she was part of a group of activists, including parents from newtown, calling this week for more gun control. >> everybody wants to talk about the second amendment right. what about our children? they have a right to live. you guys can leave here and go on with your lives. we have to go on to empty rooms. because our children's lives were taken away by people who should not have had guns anyway. most of our children's lives

were lost by people under 21. this universal background check is a start. we need healing, you guys. and it's a global thing. it's beyond an epidemic. this is genocide in america. >> her son dino, chandra robinson joins me live from chicago. ms. robinson, we played that earlier this week when you were on the hill. i can hear your voice. i want to get to your personal story in a moment. if you can, just as a mother, given your perspective, can you react to waking up this morning and hearing the news, 13 people shot, including a 3-year-old. >> my heart is so heavy. i have been crying all day. and praying all day for the families, because i know how they feel. and there's no words that can describe the feeling of losing a loved one or a loved one being

shot, like i said, like animals on the street. and there is a big problem in america. in chicago, definitely. and as well as america. >> and i thank you for coming on. i wanted to have the discussion with you. there's so much talk, especially when we talk chicago, about gang versus gun. and i read an interview that you did with a chicago tv station after dino was killed. and you didn't deny, you know, that dino was probably a gang member. you talked about, you know, being pulled in two different directions. you know this better than anyone. do you think in chicago, is it a gang problem or is it a gun problem? >> it's bigger than a gang problem. we know that. that's just a small incident, but it's definitely a gun problem. as i said before, in most of these cases, they were under 21. so how did they get guns? so it's bigger than a gang problem. >> how did they get guns? if you, you know, are familiar

with the culture, i have to presume much of it, is it illegal? >> i don't know how they're getting these guns. but we know that they're getting them illegally, of course. they're under 21. >> yeah. >> so how could they get guns in their hands? you know, so much gun trafficking going on, no telling how they got the guns. >> on the issue -- >> somebody knows. >> several people know, i'm sure. but on the issue of guns, ms. robinson, there is -- it's a perspective from a colleague of mine. he's don lemon, so he was on this radio show and wondering out loud, basically, if lawmakers aren't enacting tougher laws, which i know you and folks with the newtown families were calling for, you know, that might mean, and i'm quoting don, that by some of us not owning a gun or at least embracing the idea of one, are we setting ourselves up to be victims in a movie theater, in a

school, a public building? most of all in our streets, in our own neighborhoods and in our own homes, and armed with just our cell phones, our fists, and our wits, are we setting ourselves up to be sitting ducks? does he have a point at all? are we defenseless? >> yes, we are setting ourselves up. and i believe that's what has to happen. it has to hit some of their homes. for them to realize that it's bigger than an urban community issue. it's bigger than black on black crime. as i said, newtown can justify that as well as washington, on a naval base. this is a big issue that has to be dealt with. we cannot continue to put a band-aid on it and nurse it like it's just a scratch. this is a cut. this is a deep wound that is infected. you know, just like when you get

gangrene on your foot, you have to cut it off. this has to be dealt with, and it has to be dealt with soon. we cannot wait any longer. how many lives have to be lost, as i said before, before they deal with this issue? >> shundra robinson, sorry about your son. thank you so much for coming on. >> thank you. coming up next, do you remember this man? >> hires what i got to say. if you didn't get enough the first time around, go [ bleep ] yourself and get some more. >> that is a small-town pennsylvania sheriff who had a pretty stern message for anyone he thought was threatening his second amendment roilths, including city council members. now the city council members have a message for him. plus, a controversial school field trip. students pretending to be in a slave ship? picking cotton, even having slave masters. at one point, even called the n-word. an education in history or a lesson gone too far? we'll ask the man who runs the program coming up.

small town pennsylvania police chief is out of a job today. he was fired for profane pro-gun rants he posted on youtube. >> here's what i got to say. if you didn't get enough the first time around, go [ bleep ] yourself and get some more. you get that? did you get that one? huh? you bunch of [ bleep ]. >> the gillberten pennsylvania town council voted 6-1 to dismiss chief mark kessler last night. he got national attention for these videos. he said he was demonstrating his first and second amendment rights with the videos. he had been suspended since the 31st of july when the first clip was posted to youtube. all right, parents.

if your child came home and told you that the n-word was shouted at your child, and they were told to act like slaves for a history lesson while on a school field trip, would you be outraged. the parents of a girl who went on this trip without their knowledge are incredibly upset and they're not giving up until leaders at this one keth school are reprimanded. >> the fact they used the n-word. i mean, how dare you say that to child and call that an educational experience. how dare you say that to any child? >> on that field trip to nature's classroom in massachusetts, sandra baker says the students were tricked or basically coerced into this slavery re-enactment. baker's daughter told her the instructor told her during the enactment, if i were to run, they would whip me until i bled on the floor or cut my achilles so i couldn't run again or hang me. a quote from the daughter.

hartford public schools declined to comment according to hln, but i want to bring in john santos, director of nature's clasroom, where this field trip happened. it is one thing to learn about slavery and its history and it's quite another, sir, to have seventh graders have racial slurs, you know, hurled at them. i have to ask, what were you thinking? >> let me absolutely say that if this was brought to my attention in december, i would have apologized for such a terminology to be used during this event. i'm at a disavailable odvantage saying clearly we have been in operation for the past 40 years. we have done this format 20 years. our instructors are people on bachelor and masters' level, average age, around 25, 26.

within the staff, they would not use the n-word. i really do find, i'm not absolutely disputing, it could have been used, but it's not in the general format, no. >> just so i'm clear, as the director of this program, you had no previous knowledge of this ever happening? you wouldn't dispute it happening, but you were unaware? is that what you're telling me? >> i would absolutely, because of the number of staff and how many times we've done this program format, it's a two-hour, three-hour activity. it's been done with over 200 schools participating. yes. >> when you say -- forgive me, but when you say it, you mean throwing a bunch of students in a dark room and being pretending to be slaves and being yelled at? >> the activity is called underground railroad. it's a process of explaining the activity to the young people.

and it really is a situation where i'm not going to deny nature's classroom's responsibility or put it on to anyone else. but it's one of many activities that we offer. and it's not an activity that has been challenged to this magnitude or to the best of my knowledge, to any great magnitude at all. our instructors are with the young people. they're watching over young people. young people are very -- asked to bail out of the activity at the beginning of the activity, during the activity hour. staff have eyes on the young people, the visiting school personnel are on the eyes of the young person. >> i understand. and listen, sorry for interrupting, but i remember going on -- i'm from the south. i went on an underground railroad field trip. it was literally sitting in a classroom and learning the history of it. it wasn't anything like this. i just wanted to also remember, a bunch of seventh graders, they

may be told, hey, you can opt out, but it's kind of a group mentality in the seventh grade. do you think these seventh graders are going to say, hey, no? >> i would say it's a judgment call that i'm responsible for. but it's also a judgment call that i would say is debatable, at what point do we expose young people to the past? at an age-appropriate, inappropriate, second and third grade, no. but at the seventh grade level, i would say it's quite debatable. i'm not going to be wishing to be the last word, and i'm naught passing on the buck, but our services are to schools. >> when you say exposing the young people, isn't there a bit of a difference between learning history and reliving history? sir? >> there is a difference. and i'm of the attitude that reliving history is a viable

activity when appropriate, to acknowledge and do. >> so clearly, there are a lot of parents who disagree with you. at the end of the day -- >> oh, i would absolutely say -- >> at the end of the day, and i'll let you finish in a second, are you going to change? because of the myriad complaints over what happened to these kids? are you going to do away with this or will you continue having them relive history? >> when we were contacted by the state, connecticut state, we have revised and rewritten the activity is still one of the activities, one of some 300 activities that a school would ultimately decide. we have passed on an information letter to schools alerting them to this particular incident so they can go forward and decide that as well. within nature's classroom, we have analyzed and actually understand the validity of the complaint.

it's one re-enactment. it is not a big thing for us or for a school to decide not to become involved with it. >> okay. we'll leave it there. >> not to belittle the experience at all. >> john santos, nature's classroom director. thanks for coming on. coming up, movement to empower women who have been victimized by rape. this whole thing started with about two dozen women holding up signs that show what the rapists were saying to them during their attack. now, more than 2,000 are part of this growing movement. it has gone global. we're going to talk live to the person who came up with the idea for the project unbreakable. t ys to make the call. to treat my low testosterone, my doctor and i went with axiron, the only underarm low t treatment. axiron can restore t levels to normal in about 2 weeks in most men. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18 or men with prostate or breast cancer.

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iran's nuclear program? >> i think that america's key concern without any question is iran's nuclear program. it's not the only one, but what you see here is a concerted strategy. as you pointed out, there's the tweet, the op-ed. there have been several statements he's made that have been very conciliatory. he's talked about flexibility in negotiations. he's talked about transparency which is a code word for meaning i may be willing to let inspectors into my country to look at my nuclear program. this has been going on really since the day he was elected. in fact, it goes back to his campaign. this is not just one or two stray pieces of good news. the whole thing is very, you know, encouraging. >> from the president of iran, let's talk presidential politics here in the states. you talked exclusively to bill clinton, the brooding question, of course, will his wife hillary clinton run for president. here's part of your interview. >> i don't -- somebody may know, but i don't.

i'm not one of the people who does. >> when you look at her poll numbers, can any other democrat even get into the race? how would you raise money when you have -- i don't think i have seen numbers like this, close to 70% democrats say they would vote for her. >> well, i think partly that's because she served well as secretary of state. and because people across the political spectrum finally got to see her the way those of us who know her see her. and you know, when i was president, she, like me, was subject to the long line of relentless criticism. and she did in the senate. she made a lot in the senate among republicans as well as democrats. people in new york liked her across the political spentroom. it was the first time the country had ever gotten to see her as somebody who just what you see is what you get. she shows up for work every day, gets stuff done, and is very strong about it.

i think that's -- what these polls don't mean much, now, we're a long way ahead. i think she would be the first to tell you there's no such thing as a done deal ever, by anybody, but i don't know what she's going to do. >> can you read between the lines of the bill clinton smile, fareed? what do you make of that response? >> i think as always with clinton, very intelligent, very well thought through. i would have to think that if i were advising another democratic candidate, i would say you have to assume she's running. she's doing everything that would put her in a position to be able to do it. and remember, she doesn't need to do much. hillary clinton has two things that every candidate creams of. she has essentially 100% name recognition, and she can raise money literally within weeks. when you have those two things, you can kind of sit back, get into the race whenever you think it's the right moment, but just the fear, the shadow of hillary clinton is casting a paul over the rest of the race. who is going to get in when

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look at them the way the writer did at the society pages. he put together the words from blurred lines in pictures from project unbreakable. this is an art project, this global art project picturing photos of sexual survivors holding quotes from their attackers. notice the similarities in the words from the song and the real-life photos. that made us want to share more with you about the extraordinary project, project unbreakable. we have invited the young woman behind this whole thing to join us. she's grace brown. grace, welcome. congratulations. you're coming up on, what, two years in october here with project unbreakable. and here's my first question for you. survivors of sexual assault, they often don't want to reveal who they are because what they went through is so traumatic, so why have them hold up these photos with words their attackers spoke to them? >> originally, i wanted to just have these posters so i could

bring attention to this issue, bring awareness. but after starting this project, i realized that there was a healing power behind taking back the words. >> words are powerful. and these women and men are taking them back. these photography sessions, i'm just curious, they look like it would be a pretty vulnerable moment for these people. i mean, what do these women tell you afterwards? >> it's very quiet. it's very short. very quiet. it's extremely emotional. you can feel the emotion as people walk in to be photographed. and we actually don't converse all that much. i let them talk as much as they want to, if at all. and we leave with sometimes a hug. sometimes nothing. but it's always an honor. >> we think what you're doing is amazing. we just wanted to help you raise that awareness. grace brown, thank you. it's called project unbreakable. we'll be right back.

there's some people in a close-knit detroit community who are furious. in july, a 15-year-old girl told her parents she was raped on her way to work. to this day, the man she says raped her has not been arrested. so, some men took mattered into their own hands. gary tuchman reports. >> reporter: detroit resident angel garza is infuriated. >> we're going to do what we have to do to protect our kids. that's pretty much it. >> reporter: for garza, that means vigilante justice. for a man being investigated for a rape in his neighborhood. garza posted this on facebook. if i seen him, i'd call the cops. then i would beat the blank out of him until the cops arrive. >> in my heart, i felt like it was right. >> and vigilante justice is what

happened. but first, how it all began. the cafe con leche coffee house, a popular spot in southwest detroit. a 15-year-old girl we'll call jane had just gotten her first job here. she had down's syndrome, so it was an especially wonderful accomplishment for her. and the cafe owner thought it was wonderful, too. >> she was walking into my place when this happened. >> she was walking to your restaurant from her house when this happened? >> jane, who just turned 16 the other day, told her parents and police a man took her into this apartment building and raped her. we're just a few blocks away from her home and the cafe. according to court records and the police, the man is mentally ill and is well known in this neighborhood for his bizarre behavior. after the incident, many wanted to see a quick arrest, but it wasn't to be. jane reported the incident immediately, but police acknowledge it took weeks for a rape kit to be sent to the

police lab, which along with the mental state of the accused contributed to the fact that weeks went by with no arrest. people in the neighborhood started getting angry and worried. in their minds, there was a rapist in their midst. deb sumner wrote a warning flyer. >> we copied it, printed it, disseminated it door to door. >> the flyer had pictures of the man police were investigating as well as his name. the flyer declares, rapist warning. please be aware a man has raped a 16-year-old woman in our neighborhood. angel garza posted that flyer on his facebook account, which has over 100 likes. garza said two acquaintances of his saw the man in a parking lot. >> that's where they initially ran up on him and attacked him. >> these guys you knew? >> yeah. >> and they attacked him. what did they do to him? >> they beat him up with fists. then there were reports of that they used a bat. >> and then he got away, walked

down the street over here, you're telling me. >> he walked down 25th. from there, another neighbor, some people in the community, seen him, and i guess they came out and they had the same feelings as we did. and they started attacking him there. >> the man ended up in the hospital. and shortly after, this was spray painted on the apartment house he lives in. you can still faintly see the word rapist on the building. it's been impossible to completely clean off. the man is not here. he's currently living in an undisclosed location. angel garza says he wasn't involved in the beating but wanted to be. >> you know he's mentally ill, though, right? >> honestly, i didn't know that until after the fact. but this man -- >> would that have mattered, though? >> no, because i have had plenty of encounters with this man myself, right here, down the street, and he did not seem that mentally ill. >> what do jane's parents feel about all this? they didn't want to do an interview. but they asked some of their

friends to meet us at the cafe. bill kellerman is the pastor at their church. what did the parents say to you about the fact this man got beaten up? >> they were heartbroken. that was not what they wanted. and they don't believe that's justice. >> rashida talib is a family friend and a state legislator. >> i think that was their worst fear. when it happened, i think they were in so much pain that it had to resort to something like this. >> megan harris used to live across the hall from jane and her adopted parents. >> it's prolonging the hurt and pain of this. you know, it's not what the family wants. >> the investigation into the rape continues. no arrest has yet been made. gary tuchman, cnn, detroit. >> gary, thank you. and before he was attacked, investigators took the mentally ill suspect in for questioning and released him, but wayne county prosecutors say the investigation is still active. meanwhile, detroit police

continue their probe into the vigilante attack. >> here's a look at what's coming up tonight on cnn. cnn tonight, at 8:00 on anderson cooper 360, a new resident of a small north dakota town wants to make it all white. >> it's not hate. it's the first amendment. >> but see how some longtime locals are fighting back. >> on piers morgan live at 9:00, who's really to blame in the death of michael jackson. as the defense rests in the wrongful death trial, what does it mean for the doctor already behind bars for his death. piers gets conrad murray's side of the argument. it's on cnn tonight, starting with erin burnett out front at 7:00, anderson

there's a new twist on the hazards of being a pedestrian. watch the man with me crossing the street in houston, texas. you see him? walking along and then you see the suv smack dab runs into him. the twist here, the man driving that suv is houston's police chief. the chief admits he is at fault. here it is again. his punishment, a one-day suspension without pay and he will take a defensive driving course. the man who was hit, he's okay. >> this was just very much a lack of judgment on my part, and i should not have said it, and i knew that in my gut.

>> that is miss south carolina regretting something she said during the miss america pageant. she said she is quote, from the state where 20% of our homes are mobile because that's how we roll. the joke fell flatter than a beauty contestant with a broken stiletto. she says if anyone was offended, she's sorry. one director is making waves in the porn industry. she has a new rule for her actors and says it should be something that's done across the whole industry, and that has some people outraged. i had pain in my abdomen... it just wouldn't go away.thing. i was spotting, but i had already gone through menopause. these symptoms may be nothing... but they could be early warning signs of a gynecologic cancer, such as cervical, ovarian, or uterine cancer. feeling bloated for no reason. that's what i remember. seeing my doctor probably saved my life. warning signs are not the same for everyone. if you think something's wrong... see your doctor. ask about gynecologic cancer.

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you may have heard the world of pornography is apparently in turmoil and it's all thanks to one thing, condoms. cnn's senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen took our cameras to the set of a porn shoot to find out more. >> cheat it for me. let me see what you're doing. >> reporter: she directs people how to have sex. >> nibble your way down his leg. >> reporter: she's a veteran por pornographer. >> give me a cuddly, oh, my god, that was awesome. that kind of thing. >> reporter: she's shot a lot of steamy romps over the years but from now on, she will be doing something very different and very controversial. she'll be requiring her male performers to use condoms. >> i want everyone to use a

condom so that i can feel good at the end of the day that i did as much as i could to protect my performers. >> elizabeth cohen is here. so california, as i learned, this is the porn capital, there was a bill that would have required the actors or performers, i guess as they're called, to have to use condoms. that failed to pass. so why is this woman saying to her performers you have to use them? >> it's interesting, in l.a. county, you are supposed to use condoms but a lot of people say it's not enforced so a lot of people don't use condoms. this one producer says look, i was about to cast my newest porn flick and a woman on the short list was one of the women who has come down with hiv recently. she found out a few weeks later. she's like what if i cast her and she had given hiv to one of my other performers, i would feel terrible about that. she said i just, i'm going to do this. three recent cases of hiv, other recent stds, she's like i've

just got to make this happen. >> i guess, you think of the health, i don't know how many people they're with. why wouldn't they use condoms? >> the porn industry says look, we tried this before and our revenues went down by about 30%. >> when people use them? >> when people use them, because they said viewers want the fantasy. they don't want the public health message. and the other reason is that some of the performers say look, we're having sex for hours and hours and hours when we shoot these things and that much latex rubbing against that much skin has its own problems. so a lot of the performers don't want to wear these, either. you may think the performers want to but a lot of them tell me we do not want to wear them. so it will be interesting to see and the producer we just saw, she said she knows that she could lose some performers. she knows some performers will prefer not to act with her but she said that's just the way it goes. >> the nature of the biz. elizabeth cohen, thank you very much.

and want to take you to colorado. the governor there says the state is in a race against winter. they have to fix the 200 miles of road and 50 bridges wiped out by this week's floods because snow will begin falling soon in the rockies. the governor says a rapid response team has been set up to make the repairs before the 1st of december, but the governor says it could take two years to fix all the infrastructure damaged by the floods. at least seven people died in the colorado