in mood or behavior, withdrawing from family and friends, anxiety, forgetfulness or even a general sense of malaise. that's more malaise than the average teenager of course. i know this can sometimes be hard to parse out. hopefully it helps. that's going to wrap things up for "sgmd," but stay connected with me and get the conversation going on twitter. time now though to get you back into "cnn newsroom" with martin savidge. you're in the cnn "newsroom." i'm martin savidge in for don lemon. we have breaking news where some americans have been wounded in an apparent terrorist attack in a shopping mall overseas. [ gunfire ] this is the terrifying scene in nairobi, kenya, today. a group of armed men stormed this crowded mall and they started shooting. according to kenya's president

the office there at least says that 39 people have been killed and 150 wounded. and there are americans who were inside that mall when the attack happened. they tell cnn that shots rang out and grenades exploded and that people hid in stairwells and under cars in the parking lot until police arrived. we are told that at least one of the attackers is dead. the rest are still said to be holed up inside the mall. and it is now past midnight in nairobi. we do have some indication as to who is behind this attack. an extremist group with ties to al qaeda posted a claim of responsibility on their twitter account. the group is called al shabaab. and it has been issuing threats for violence for years. more about this extremist group in just a couple of minutes. the president of kenya just addressed his people. and that was on television. he mentioned that he also lost what he calls "close family members" in that shopping mall attack. he didn't elaborate on that, but listen to his message for the

people of kenya. >> we have overcome terrorist attacks before. we have forward courageously and defeated them within and outside our borders. we will defeat them again. terrorism in and of itself is a philosophy of cowards. the way we lead our lives in freedom, openness, unity and consideration for each other represents our victory over those who wish us ill. we are as brave and invincible as the lions on our coat of arms. my government stands ready to defend the nation from internal as well as external aggression. i urge all kenyans to stand together and see this dark moment through. >> joining me now on the telephone from nairobi, kenya is

uche kaigwa-okoye. he was there when the attack began. where were you and what did you see? how did you know when this attack began? >> caller: i was -- thank you first of all. i was on the first floor in the cafe. and this cafe has a downstairs department -- they have a section upstairs and downstairs. and i was in the upstairs. and the shooting started downstairs. and what first sounded like clapping became faster and then as i walked towards the ledge of the mall to see down into the middle of the mall, i then heard the gunshots louder as they started shooting up. and apparently they bombed the cafe downstairs. >> so had you been downstairs then you could have easily been killed at that moment. but instead what did you do, you run, you hide?

what happened? >> caller: well, as soon as we were sure it was gunshots, and it sounded like an ak-47. it was definitely semiautomatic because they were single shots fired. and then you could hear sequential sort of pop-pop shots. and then i ran to the exit with my company, the person i was having coffee with, and once we reached the fire escape we could hear gunshots outside. and it was security officers that were ahead of us. and they had seen the men told us to run back inside because they were shooting anyone who was trying to leave. so i was a bit confused. and i didn't want to go back to where i just heard gunshots. so i sort of waited in between the staircase and the fire exit and going back to the mall to see what happens. and slowly making my way back to the mall and that's when they had reached the first floor and we could clearly hear that they

were firing, maybe 20 meters from us. but in another direction. >> let me ask you real quick before we run out of time here -- >> caller: i ran into a corridor to go into the bathroom. they were firing into the corridor we were just coming. >> and how long did help arrive to get you out? >> caller: well, help was there. we would hear it was on the news and they had surrounded the building, but we were stuck for five hours -- between four and five hours. >> when you finally came out -- >> we were in the bathroom cubicle. >> when you came out, what did you see as you were taken out of the building? >> there were teargas canisters that hit the walls. there were glass walls that had been shattered. we were walking on glass. teargas was just clearing. there were bullets, a lot of casualties -- there were dead bodies. most peculiar sight to see dead bodies next to escalators and

handbags and such normal shopping mall scene with such gruesomeness. >> it's still ongoing, correct? >> caller: unfortunately it's still ongoing. i left an hour ago and they've blocked off all the roads and there are still people being held captive inside. there are volunteers nearby. and the bodies are going to a morgue nearby as well. >> mr. okoye, thank you very much for joining us from nairobi, kenya. we'll be checking back. thank you. as we reported earlier an extremist group has claimed responsibility for attacking that mall killing 39 and wounding 150. that group is very well-known to the intelligence community and is being affiliated with al qaeda in east africa. so i want to talk with rick francona about this group. rick is a retired u.s. military intelligence officer, i should point this out and a cnn military analyst. rick, al shabaab is a name that we have heard before. they are said to be behind this attack. just remind us who they are and why they would target civilians at a shopping mall.

>> well, this is a group resident in somalia. they had a real cause celebre in the u.s. they were trying to get a lot of recruits to fight for them. they're really fractured right now. there's one faction that wants to work only in somalia. and there's another that wants to go in a global jihad. but the reason their attack in kenya is because kenya has been supporting the somalia government to eradicate these people. so striking out against kenya makes perfect sense. going after this mall makes perfect sense. this is a soft target. it's in a high profile area. there's going to be a lot of foreigners there, a lot of wealthy there. this is -- this was well-planned and well-thought out. >> you know, we talk about kenya, many people may think this is far away and removed from the united states, but there actually is a strong link between the united states and kenya. and terrorism going back to 1998. >> oh, absolutely. you know, we've been involved in

the global war in terror for a long time with the kenyans. you know, we lost -- our embassy was attacked there in august. i lost some friends in that embassy bombing. and, you know, there's been a lot of islamic fundamentalist groups like that operating in kenya. kenya's also been the venue for attacks against israeli interests as well. lots of israeli interest in the country. in fact, this particular mall is owned by an israeli corporation. >> and, you know, should we be worried in this country about this kind of a group and these kind of attacks? >> well, i don't think they have the reach right now to strike somewhere in the united states. but they do have the capability to strike american interests overseas. and that's what you're seeing here. they're going after western targets. they want to inflict pain on the west. and they want to use kenya to do it. they want to embarrass the kenya government. and events like this get headlines all over the world. if they had attacked a purely kenyan target, we may not be talking about it. but when you've got all these westerners involved, that's when

you get the publicity that they want. this is how they operate. >> uh-huh. cnn military expert rick francona. he'll be back next hour. thank you very much. we'll talk to you then. there's other news to tell you about. a gunman killed three members of a u.s. army special forces unit today in eastern afghanistan. he wore an afghan army uniform and opened fire during a training exercise. the attacker was immediately shot dead by afghan soldiers. it's not clear if he stole that uniform or was actually part of the afghan army. it is the seventh reported insider attack this year. similar attacks killed dozens of coalition soldiers last year. well, the government's inching closer to a possible shutdown. and there's just nine days left to reach a deal on a budget. house republicans have passed a plan, but it includes a big problem for democrats. it would strip funding for the health care reform law also known as obama care. cnn's erin mcpike has more. >> in the coming week, the

battle will shift to the senate. but on friday it was a rare moment for house speaker john boehner, united republicans celebrated their vote to defund obama care. >> the american people don't want the government shut down. and they don't want obama care. >> the yays are 230 and the nays are 189. the joint resolution is passed without objection, a motion to reconsider is laid on the table. >> all but one republican voted for the measure. and two democrats joined them, prompting this exuberant response. >> that's why today when we acted, it wasn't just a group of republicans but it was a bipartisan vote. >> it was a show of force from conservatives who insisted on defunding obama care as a condition for approving a bill that keeps the government running. but their effort is dead on arrival in the senate. and democrats seized on the potential consequences. >> what is brought to the floor today is without a doubt -- without a doubt a measure

designed to shut down government. it could have no other intent. its purpose is clear. >> house republicans are working to shift blame for the threat of a government shutdown onto democrats who control the senate. >> now it is up to senate democrats to show some responsibility and follow the house's lead. >> they're putting the squeeze on vulnerable democratic senators up for re-election in red states. >> i want to know where senator pryor stands on protecting the middle class? from the consequences of this horrific bill. >> cantor singled out arkansas senator mark pryor and three other democrats, kay hay began of north carolina, mary landrieu of louisiana and mark begig of atlanta. two have already told cnn they won't vote to strip money from health care. just nine days remain for the senate to vote on its plan to fund the government without

cutting obama care and pass the buck back to the house. >> and erin mcpike joins me now live from washington. erin, what do we expect to happen this week? >> well, the bill is moving to the senate. and senate republicans have indicated to cnn late this week that what they will do is vote to move forward with debate on the house bill. that gets the bill into a procedural position where democrats need just 51 votes to restore funding to obama care and then can vote on the full bill and they need just 51 votes to pass it that then ping-pongs this bill back to the house. and we expect the house to be in session next weekend to vote on this again. and it looks like things are going down to the wire. martin. >> i think you can guarantee it. erin mcpike, thanks very much. well, today was the deadline and syria met it. an international watchdog group confirms it's received a list of chemical weapons from the regime. but how much information were

they willing to share? well, that's next. my ambulance knew all about a bike accident, just by talking to a helmet. it grabbed the patient's record before we even picked him up. it found out the doctor we needed was at st. anne's. wiggle your toes. [ driver ] and it got his okay on treatment from miles away. it even pulled strings with the stoplights. my ambulance talks with smoke alarms and pilots and stadiums. but, of course, it's a good listener too. [ female announcer ] today cisco is connecting the internet of everything. so everything works like never before. guys, you took tums® a couple hours ago. why keep taking it if you know your heartburn keeps coming back? that's how it works. you take some tums®. if heartburn comes back, you take some more. that doesn't make any sense. it makes plenty of sense if you don't think about it! really, honey, why can't you just deal with it like everybody else? because i took a pepcid®. fine. debbie, you're my new favorite. [ male announcer ] break with tradition, take pepcid® complete. it works fast and lasts. get relief from your heartburn relief with pepcid® complete.

to severe plaque psoriasis... the frustration... covering up. so i talked with my doctor. he prescribed enbrel. enbrel is clinically proven to provide clearer skin. many people saw 75% clearance in 3 months. and enbrel helped keep skin clearer at 6 months. [ male announcer ] enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal, events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers, nervous system and blood disorders, and allergic reactions have occurred.

before starting enbrel, your doctor should test you for tuberculosis and discuss whether you've been to a region where certain fungal infections are common. you should not start enbrel if you have an infection like the flu. tell your doctor if you're prone to infections, have cuts or sores, have had hepatitis b, have been treated for heart failure, or if you have symptoms such as persistent fever, bruising, bleeding, or paleness. [ woman ] finally, clearer skin for more than a few days, weeks, or months. enbrel works for me. ask your dermatologist if you can have clearer skin with enbrel. today's the deadline for syria to turn over information about its supply of chemical weapons. and according to the organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons, syria has submitted a declaration about its chemical stockpiles. the question now is, how detailed is that information that syria is sharing? for more on that, let's bring in our ivan watson, ivan, what have you learned so far? nice to see you by the way.

>> good to see you too, martin. you'd be surprised to hear that of all the people to be almost applauding the syrian regime, we've got a u.s. senior administration official, martin, who's come out saying that the white house is surprised and encouraged by the amount of information that syria has now shared about its chemical weapons arsenal. and it's not just the u.s. that was asking for this information for today's deadline. this was part of an agreement hammered out by the u.s. and russia last week. and that agreement really stipulated that syria had to come fully clean about not only what kinds of chemical weapons it has, but how much of them, where they're stored, where they're produced and where their research and development facilities are. and that information, some of it appears to have actually been handed over to this organization that's in charge of disposing of these chemical weapons. their experts are now reviewing

this document. and with intelligence estimates of up to 1,000 metric tons of chemical weapons in syria's arsenal, you can imagine there's an awful lot of material probably for those experts to be looking over right now, martin. >> and i guess the real question here is not when will they hand over the list, but when can we expect syria's chemical weapons to be handed over? >> i think there's still a lot of diplomacy to be done after the technical experts go through these documents, then you've got the executive council of this organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons, they have to meet and decide on it. and then it's supposed to go to the united nations security council. and there's still disagreements of course between russia, syria's strongest backer on the u.n. security council, and of course the u.s., france and britain, the biggest critics of the syrian regime over whether or not that next resolution would include a threat of use of force if syria doesn't totally hand over all of its chemical weapons. and then after that of course

there'd be the sheer logistical challenge of trying to ensure the safety of any united nations inspectors that would be on the ground in syria in the midst of a horrendous civil war that has included not only artillery and air strikes and scud missile strikes, but also deadly car bombs, kidnapping and on august 21st as the u.n. investigation has concluded, large use of chemical weapons that killed at least 1,400 civilians. martin. >> there's still a great deal of skepticism. ivan watson in new york. thanks very much. some have equated chicago to a city under siege. nearly a dozen shot, four of them killed in just the last 24 hours. and that follows a shooting thursday night when 13 people were hit by gunfire in a park. all of this happening while the city says things are getting better. we're going in depth next. [ female announcer ] what if the next big thing, isn't a thing at all?

it's lots of things. all waking up. connecting to the global phenomenon we call the internet of everything. ♪ it's going to be amazing. and exciting. and maybe, most remarkably, not that far away. we're going to wake the world up. and watch, with eyes wide, as it gets to work. cisco. tomorrow starts here.

to severe plaque psoriasis... the frustration... covering up. so i talked with my doctor. he prescribed enbrel. enbrel is clinically proven to provide clearer skin. many people saw 75% clearance in 3 months. and enbrel helped keep skin clearer at 6 months. [ male announcer ] enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal, events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers, nervous system and blood disorders, and allergic reactions have occurred. before starting enbrel, your doctor should test you for tuberculosis

and discuss whether you've been to a region where certain fungal infections are common. you should not start enbrel if you have an infection like the flu. tell your doctor if you're prone to infections, have cuts or sores, have had hepatitis b, have been treated for heart failure, or if you have symptoms such as persistent fever, bruising, bleeding, or paleness. [ woman ] finally, clearer skin for more than a few days, weeks, or months. enbrel works for me. ask your dermatologist if you can have clearer skin with enbrel. in chicago 11 people shot overnight, four of them killed. 13 people shot thursday night, one of them a 3-year-old boy. but these aren't rare or isolated incidents, it's just another night on the city's south side. once again, chicago is in the spotlight over gun violence, a chilling reminder that it is the city with the highest number of homicides in the country. families are at a breaking point. >> it needs to stop.

it needs to stop. y'all out here killing these innocent people, kids, parents, grandparents, mothers, fathers. it got to stop. y'all need to stop. >> in a statement, president obama weighed in on the violence in his hometown via a spokeswoman. he sends his thoughts and prayers to the several victims who were shot last night and hopes for their speedy recovery. the president remains committed to pushing congress to pass common sense measures and is doing everything in his executive power to reduce gun violence. chicago mayor rahm emanuel calls the acts senseless and brazen and says they have no place in chicago. the police chief says that this is something we cannot accept in a civilized society. >> illegal guns, illegal guns, illegal guns drive violence. military-type weapons, like the

one we believe to have been used in this shooting belong on a battlefield, not on a street or in a corner or in a park in the back of the yards. this country should have a ban on assault weapons and high capacity magazines like the ones used in this event. it's common sense. >> and this is the perfect place to bring in don lemon, who is in los angeles. don, i know normally you're here in this chair, but you had the weekend off. but felt so strongly about this topic that you wanted to come in and do this story anyway. violence in chicago has been a story that's been very close to your heart for some time. why? >> because i live there. i have roots in chicago. i have many friends and loved ones in chicago. people i love a lot. and i spend a lot of time on those streets and in those neighborhoods and as a matter of fact a couple years ago i spent time there interviewing people who had fallen victim to this gun violence and people who perpetrated this gun violence.

i want to bring in now psychologist wendy walsh, she's a criminal defense attorney holly hughes is here as well. and also, peter, breaking news reporter for "the chicago tribune." thank you all so much for joining us and coming in on a saturday. this is story as i've said and martin has said very near and dear to me. i'd love to get to chicago once i'm done here to report more on the story. peter, i'm going to start with you because you're there. so you're the overnight reporter for the tribune, basically you cover crime and you cover violence in the city. you've been out on these streets. i want you to help put into perspective for us the 24 people shot there in just two days. >> well, the 24 people shot overnight thursday into friday, it was a bad night aside from the 13 people getting shot in the park there were three homicides. but it's not terribly uncommon to have a night where you have a number of must remembers and even more nonfatal gunshot victims, to have so many people shot in one incident is rare here, but there have been in the

last year and a half or so more than 500 shootings in which more than two people have been shot. so you're looking at 22 to 2,500 gunshot victims each year, 450 or so die. shootings are pretty common here. >> they are pretty common. but, listen, crime rate is down. we're going to get into that. but one wonders, you know, police say the crime rate is down when you hear all these incidents like this, you just begin to wonder what is really going on, what is the underlying problem here? we've been talking about this for years. holly, i want to bring you in because these are the kinds of cases that you prosecute. >> uh-huh. >> so what is a justice system need to do to make an impact on this violence? and we're talking about chicago today, but i'm here in los angeles. and i've seen reports on the news about two people shot here, three people shot there. i'm sure it's the same on the news in atlanta. i'm sure it's the same on the news in many big cities across the country.

what is the justice system need to do to make a difference, to make an impact here? >> well, don, it comes down to money. and we don't like to hear that, but that is the bottom line. you need more police officers on the streets. you need more prosecutors in the courtroom. and frankly you need judges who once these people are arrested will sentence them to very long sentences so they don't get out and repeat this violence. you need to have mandatory minimums. if you kill somebody with an assault rifle, the legislature needs to step up here and say, okay, if you kill somebody with an assault rifle, if you kill multiple people in one incident, there's going to be enhanced sentencing for that. there's going to be a mandatory minimum of, you know, 100 years or whatever number to try to get people to understand. but when you slap somebody on the wrist for aggravated assault and go, well, here's a five-year sentence, you can have probation. they don't take it seriously. and they are right back out there committing these crimes again.

and assaulting a community that isn't being protected. >> okay. i'm glad you said that, assaulting a community that is not being protected. and i'm wondering if they're not being protected because, number one, the people who had the guns shouldn't have them. and the people who don't have them are the ones who are being assaulted. and number two, holly, you're talking about the legal aspect, the justice system. >> right. >> but what about the people who are actually doing the shooting, wendy? where does this mindset come from that you can just go out and shoot people? and this is how you handle your business, this is how you take care of problems. >> you know, holly's talking about the aftereffects of this kind of violence. when i think about psychology, i want to think about the prevention of this stuff. it's all zero to three. we need more support in this culture for all the sing the parents out there whether a single dad or single mom, it's just too much when you're working full time to be a parent, as well. plenty are doing that, i know that. but this is why the young folks

find gangs. it's a surrogate family for them. this is why the moral teaching isn't there anymore, because mom or dad is off trying to just make enough money to get food on the table. and that's enough. and also i think, don, we're going to go there, we're going to talk about gun control and the buyback programs. go ahead. >> okay. we'll talk about that. but there are people who are sitting here -- listen, i understand it's tough. i came from a single family. my mom was a single mother for a very long time. but there are people out there saying, hey, listen, why should i give my hard earned money, i'm out there trying to put food on my table trying to pay the rent and mortgage, why should i raise your kids and your kids are growing up and shooting my kids? >> because you risk being a victim then. you know, it's our choice. we can raise good employees and good entrepreneurs in our village here, or we can raise prisoners. we can raise people who buy semi-assault weapons and take them to a park. it's our village and we are a national community. and we have to start to think about how we can support families especially in those

vulnerable early years. because our personality development, our moral reasoning and our emotional intelligence is really grown from zero to five. we've got fo focus on parents of small children. >> all right. so i want to talk more about the psychology here about mental health because clearly if you're going out and you're doing this, you probably have a mental health issue in some way. and i also want to talk about what wendy said. and that is gun control. talk about that to all of you, especially you, holly, you know how the legal process works when it comes to this. this conversation is far from over. coming up, we're going to look at the raw numbers. we're going to look at the numbers and we're going to search for solutions. murders in chicago are down this year, so why are we still having this conversation? next, why violence in chicago is different from any other tragedy in america. ♪ nascar is about excitement. but tracking all the action and hearing everything nascar's e media and million

of fans on social media can be a challenge. that's why we partnered with hp to build the new nascar fan and media engagement center. hp's technology helps us turn millions of tweets, posts and stories into real-time business insights that help nascar win with our fans. we believe it can be the most valuable real estate on earth. ♪ that's why we designed the subaru forester from the back seat forward. the intelligently designed, responsibly built, completely restyled subaru forester. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.

at humana, our medicare agents sit down with you and ask. hanging out with this guy. he's just the love of my life. [ male announcer ] getting to know you is how we help you choose the humana medicare plan that works best for you. mi familia. ♪ [ male announcer ] we want to help you achieve your best health, so you can keep doing the things that are important to you. keeping up with them. i love it! [ male announcer ] helping you -- now that's what's important to us. he was a matted messiley in a small cage. ng day. [ male announcer ] helping you -- so that was our first task, was getting him to wellness.

without angie's list, i don't know if we could have found all the services we needed for our riley. from contractors and doctors to dog sitters and landscapers, you can find it all on angie's list. we found riley at the shelter, and found everything he needed at angie's list. join today at angieslist.com . i'm martin savidge. we'll get back to don lemon in just a moment. we are closely watching the breaking news in kenya right now. that's where a group of men that are armed burst into a shopping mall and opened fire. that was in kenya. and today the president -- the office there, has just released a new casualty report. and we're told at least 39 people are dead, 150 more people wounded. and we are now also being told by the state department that some americans are among those wounded. an extremist group with ties to al qaeda has claimed responsibility. and this attack we remind you is not over.

gunmen and police are still facing off inside of that mall. now we're continuing our conversation about gun violence in america. a conversation sparked by the shootings in chicago over the last two days that have claimed four lives and left 20 people wounded. a peace march is scheduled there for tonight. and the chicago peace basketball tournament going on there right now, an event that was organized by current and former nba players. let me bring now back don lemon in los angeles. don, just to get the conversation going again, how does chicago violence differ say from other national tragedies? >> you know, i wish i knew the answer to that, marty. i mean, it's just so many people get killed there even though they said that the violence is down, homicide rates are down there. i wish i knew. i wish i knew. because it seems to be the example that everyone points to in the news because it just happens so much. let's bring back in psychologist wendy walsh and criminal defense attorney holly hughes and also peter niceas, a breaking news

reporter for the chicago tribune. i wish i could answer martin's question. it makes me want to cry. >> well, don, one factor -- >> hang on. hang on. >> okay. >> i'm here on business. and talking to people, everyone is coming up to me because it's a big event, a big urban event that's happening here and it's part of the discussion at the event that i'm at. and everyone is asking what is going on in chicago? what is going on in chicago? what is going on in our streets? why are so many people killing each other with these guns, wendy? and it's a topic that really is on everyone's mind. go ahead, i'm sorry to cut you off. >> yeah, well, sorry to cut you off. the one factor is the health care issue. in chicago there are more than deaths, not just shootings, but more deaths by gunfire because the trauma centers their cutbacks have been so great that people are bleeding out in ambulances having to travel ten and 15 miles to get care. so that's a big problem. >> yeah, but there are more deaths because people are shooting. the problem -- >> well, of course.

>> the problem is people shooting each other. >> of course. >> if they weren't shooting each other, you wouldn't need that. peter, why do you think only -- the only time america talks about chicago violence is when the collective numbers really reach a level that they have reached this week when they reach a certain point. why do you think that it only comes into the conversation then? >> you know what, i'm out i hear from people almost a sense of resignation about what's going on especially among the young people. it was mentioned here yesterday about how a lot of the shooters and victims are so young. the older folks who have been here a long time just shake their heads at it. i think it's been like this for dec decades. it was worst in the '90s and early part of this decade. mention crime being down, even if there are half as many homicides and nonfatal shootings as last year, still 250 non-fatal gunshot victims. it's steady. it's unrelenting. it's been going on for a long time. people are almost resigned to it

here. it's sad to say, like you said, i live here too, it disgusts me. something that's on a regular occurrence here. >> yeah. wendy, sorry to cut you off. i understand what you're saying about the hospitals. listen, there's not enough money to go around for a lot of things, but i really want to get into the psyche here and into the mindset to find out what it is that drives people to think it's okay to do this and to talk about mental health. and you also said about gun control. i don't know if that's really the answer here. i think it's more than just gun control. that may be part of it but that's not just it. >> can i jump in and ask dr. wendy something? >> yeah, go ahead. >> i used to see this when i was prosecuting. what we see is there's just not -- there's a lack of respect for life. young people coming up now play games, video games, i mean, i don't want to give the wrong number here on air, but "grand theft auto" edition 87, whatever it was, premiered the other day and made a ridiculous, i mean

astounding amount of money in 24 hours, like $84 million in 24 hours. so what i find and even when i talk to clients in private, there is no respect for human life. they are brought up shooting at tvs, guns are just everywhere. it's a game. and they -- >> but, holly -- >> they don't understand the end result. for sure they're becoming desensitized. >> they could be becoming desensitiz desensitized, but there's no concrete research that shows a connection between violent video games and use of guns. >> that's what i want to ask dr. wendy because i'm not the doctor. >> actually, there is some great research, don, out of a university -- go ahead. >> no, go ahead. >> i would argue that these kids are completely aware of what's going on. >> wendy first. >> these kids understand it. they're well aware of the consequences. even if they're not victims, they play in these parks, they ride bikes up and down the alleys, they hear the screams of the family outside the crime scenes. they hear the sirens flying in.

thursday night they had ten ambulances flying all across the city to get to this crime scene. >> my question wasn't about the victims -- my question is about the perpetrator. >> no. >> so i'm asking dr. wendy. >> right. >> hang on. hang on. there's a delay. everybody, hold on, everybody stop. there's a delay. so let's be respectful of the audience because they can't understand when everyone is talking. so, wendy, a quick answer and then i want to get to break and then come back and talk more. so if you can answer the question that was asked of you. >> there's some pretty fascinating research out of a university in toronto showing long-term video game use and the direct association with increased aggression, even in girls, so, yes, they're becoming desensitized, yes, they're definitely becoming more aggressive. skb, don, to answer your other question what we need are buyback programs for the illegal weapons that will make moms and sisters pull weapons out of their sons hands and steal them from their baby daddies and husbands hands. if it's worth a good gift certificate, a grocery store, you get $500 worth of food, you

watch how fast those guns come in. it worked in australia and it can work here. >> wendy, australia is smaller than texas. it's smaller than california. it's about the size of florida. what you're asking of the united states many people find impossible. they don't think that it will ever work here because it's a different country. hold your answer. your response to that and we'll talk about that after the break. ♪ ♪ (announcer) answer the call of the grill with new friskies grillers, full of meaty tenders and crunchy bites. ugh! actually progresso's soup has pretty bold flavor. i love bold flavors! i'd love it if you'd open the chute! [ male announcer ] progresso. surprisingly bold flavor for a heart healthy soup.

more of our conversation now about gun violence in america. and you're looking at scenes now. that is chicago on thursday night. a conversation sparked by shootings in chicago over the last two days that claimed four lives and left 20 people wounded. i want to bring in peter niceas to talk about the alarming rate

of gun homicides in chicago and just gun use. holly hughes is here, criminal prosecutor and also wendy walsh, who is a psychologist. so, peter, i want to talk to you about out on the streets. and, listen, when we researched this and tried to get people to do this after these shootings, to get someone to comment on and talk about this from the community, nobody wants to talk. everyone is afraid. why is that? >> i think people have a real fear of retaliation. and we hear out in the street a lot they'll say, you know, i really can't be seen talking to you. and we get it. they live there. and people kind of have an idea of what's going on. i mean, even the kids have an understanding of who's fighting with who. the other night out of the scene where the 13 people were shot, people were able to give us right away what gangs were into it with each other. you can read it off the graffiti on the garages and walls and things like that. but nobody wants to be involved. >> yeah. well, listen, i want to thank -- there's so much we wanted to talk about here.

wendy, we wanted to talk about the gun buyback program which you are such a proponent of. and, trust me, this is television. and we're up against a break here. up against another show. i don't always get as much time as i'd like. i promise you viewers on this show we're going to continue this conversation. i'm going to go to chicago and to other communities and we will continue this. the alarming crime rate in chicago listen according to chicago police they say that their crime numbers are down. their violent crime numbers and their homicide numbers are down this year despite the shootings that happened there last night and the night before. thanks to my guests. and we're going to get back to martin savidge in just a bit. and i'll get back to my business in l.a. i'll see you soon here on cnn. we're back after this break. [ male announcer ] if your kid can recognize your sneeze from a crowd...

[ sneezes ] you're probably muddling through allergies. try zyrtec® for powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin® because it starts working faster on the first day you take it. zyrtec®. love the air.

the coffee you drink adds up over the years...

causing deep, set-in stains. crest 3d white whitestrips go beyond where most toothpastes can reach, safely removing stains below the enamel surface to whiten as well as a $500 treatment. crest 3d white whitestrips. just one night away from the emmy awards and one drama that is going to be competing in a very big way, amc's "breaking bad," it's racked up 13 emmy nominations. our mark isto looks at what makes "breaking bad" so popular. >> say my name. >> reporter: people have been saying his name a lot lately. >> brian -- >> reporter: who would have predicted so much attention on a show about tv's scariest high school chemistry teacher who makes meth to pay for his cancer treatment. >> what is it with you guys?

>> reporter: good question. 13 emmy nominations this year, critical acclaim, record ratings, it's a good time to be bad. >> "breaking bad" is really hot. so people who maybe hadn't watched it are watching it now. >> reporter: are they ever. almost 6 million people watched the mid-season premiere, they're tweeting and blogging and breaking down "breaking bad". >> you go online and it's like a deconstruction that used to be reserved for shakespeare for like honors papers on shakespeare. >> and you can find plenty of that devotion here on youtube. a quick search for "breaking bad" fan videos yields almost 400,000 results. whether it's the fake "breaking bad" sitcom or a jimmy fallon spoof, joking bad. >> there's no end to what we can do. >> reporter: but there is an end to the show. and the closer it gets, the more everybody wants to know how the show will end. well, almost everybody. i don't want to know.

i want to watch it just like you people. i'm just as much a fan as you are. >> reporter: but he won't be saying good-bye just yet. amc recently announced a spin-off of his character. perhaps as suspenseful as the show's ending will the "breaking bad" buzz help come emmy time. >> "breaking bad" is the show to beat. period. >> wouldn't it be great if we got a win. >> reporter: he nabbed three straight emmys for playing walter white. now he's just getting ready to say good-bye to what he's called the role of a lifetime. >> it's hard for me now that it's over to voluntarily let it go. >> reporter: reporting from hollywood and -- >> this is cnn. coming up next, how technology is playing a big role in today's breaking news coming out of kenya. [scream] ♪ don't tell mom. don't tell mom.

don't tell mom! don't tell mom. okay. don't tell mom. don't tell mom. don't tell mom? yeah. the best stories you'll ever tell start with, don't tell." don't tell dad. start yours in the new santa fe. from hyundai. ♪ ♪ you're all alone friend, ♪ pick up the phone then. ♪ ring ring, call them up, ♪ tell them about the new trends. ♪ ♪

when jack came up with the idea of twitter in 2006, he saw it as unique social networking service. but, it has become a new source of connecting people, and events all over the world.

it's being used in the deadly mall attack in kenya. why twitter? good question. we asked our correspondent to look into it. she joins us live from new york. could the inventor have invisioned this type of future for twitter? >> interesting. i sat down with jack three years ago and he was explaining this idea of realtime and being able to realtime broadcast information and you see, like the attack like in kenya, this is a real thing. this played out on twitter. the militants were claiming to be behind the attack took credit for it on twitter. you are looking right now, also, the account is now suspended. up until 20 minutes ago, they were tweeting why they did this kind of thing. look at the other side. the police go to twitter. one gunman injured with several others down. they are giving updates and everybody is going to twitter.

it has a hashtag to follow along. you can see the power of realtime. martin? >> yeah. kind of walk us through the time line of the news events that made it clear to all of us. >> you know, there was one tweet, it happened in 2009. the plane went down on the hudson. everyone wanted to see what happened. the first image that came out was something tweeted by a user that tweeted there's a plane down on the hudson and a picture of it. no one could find information other than going to twitter. it was the moment where all of us said this is going to be huge. you can see, today, the implications are unbelievable. martin? >> i remember the tweet out of pakistan when the raid on osama bin laden was carried out. someone said hey, i hear a helicopter. i see something. suddenly, everyone was glued on what was going on. thank you. appreciate it. with all the difficult news, we

are going to look at an inspiring story. that is up next. these days, a small business can save by sharing. like carpools... polly wants to know if we can pick her up. yeah, we can make room. yeah. [ male announcer ] ...office space. yes, we're loving this communal seating. it's great. [ male announcer ] the best thing to share? a data plan. at&t mobile share for business. one bucket of data for everyone on the plan, unlimited talk and text on smart phones. now, everyone's in the spirit of sharing. hey, can i borrow your boat this weekend? no. [ male announcer ] share more. save more. at&t mobile share for business. ♪ vo:remember to changew that oil is the it on schedule toy car. keep your car healthy. show your car a little love with an oil change starting at $19.95.

britta olsen is my patient. i spend long hours with her checking her heart rate, administering her medication, and just making her comfortable. one night britta told me about a tradition in denmark, "when a person dies," she said, "someone must open the window so the soul can depart." i smiled and squeezed her hand. "not tonight, britta. not tonight." [ female announcer ] to nurses everywhere, thank you, from johnson & johnson. [ female announcer ] to nurses everywhere, could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. mmmhmmm...everybody knows that. well, did you know that old macdonald was a really bad speller? your word is...cow. cow. cow. c...o...w...

...e...i...e...i...o. [buzzer] dangnabbit. geico. fifteen minutes could save you...well, you know. i sold drugs on and off throughout my life. the tattoos were war paint. i did not think about my son or my family, they did not exist. i have not met one man who did not want to be a good dad, they just don't know how to be. >> what male has helped shape

who you are. >> we have men who didn't have good fathers in their life. we want them to change that. >> i'm joe johns. i help fathers and families become responsible for themselves and their communities. >> i was 9 years old when my dad left the house. i began using drugs at 13. i had a son i wasn't responsible for. there's no reason you can't get out of the hole no matter what the circumstances. there aren't many places you can go. we recruit on the street because you have to penetrate the community. >> responsible fatherhood. you can make mistakes, but you can cover those mistakes. joe allowed me to