interview that keeps making news, my sit down with former president bill clinton from iran and russia to the nra. and to the conversation about hillary and chelsea and who would make the better president. and the impression of bono. good evening, earn. tonight, they didn't want to answer our questions about the rampant fraud we found in california's drug rehab program. an investigation has shut down a lot of clinics. also a rapist is free tonight after serving just a month for his crime. his victim was 14 years old, and she later killed herself. the judge in the case described the victim as older than her kron clonl cal age. we begin with breaking news out of kenya. kenyan authorities say they have a man in custody who they

believe was involved in the shopping mall. police believe he may have tried to slip out with the panicked crowds. several young women were among the attackers, and one of them was a white woman. authorities are much more cautious saying they only know of one woman for sure and it was not possible to identify that woman's ethnicity at this point. the bodies of six of the terrorists are believed to be trapped in the rubble of the collapsed parking garage in the mall. these new details about women being among the attackers, what do we know about this? >> reporter: well, there's a number of people that we spoke to were very cat goric that they saw women amongst the attackers, and this woman they said appeared to be giving orders and

firing indiscriminately into the crowd. they are being circumspect about this, but they do acknowledge that there is a growing body of evidence leading them to believe that this could indeed be true. but they say they can't be sure for now, anderson. >> eyewitness reports, you have to take them with a grain of salt. there have been a lot of reports about this british woman, so called white widow and about her possibly being involved. what do you know about her? >> reporter: well, today, the kenyan authorities requested a red notice through interpol which requires forces around the world to attempt to arrest her and this they say is to do with charges that stem back to 2011 where she was suspected of involvement in a plot to blow up a hotel, also free kweptsed by

westerners in the kenyan coastal town. the timing, ann derren so, especially given all these reports we're hearing about a white woman amongst the attackers, that's raised a few eyebrows to say the least. >> she was the wife of one of the london bombers? is that right? >> reporter: yes, she was. she was the wife of germane lindsey. interestingly. she's a daughter of a british soldier. she's a convert to islam. she was cat goric about how she condemned lindsey's actions she popped up at another house. she manage the to evade authorities. they found a fake passport, an extraordinary amount of weaponry and she has been on the run

since then. >> now we know the fbi's on the ground right now. have they gained access to the mall? what are they doing there? >> reporter: well, we understand that they didn't access immediately, but since then they have gone on the ground. they have been in there. given the state of that crime scene, we've been seeing pictures of that collapsed parking lot, the detonations, the fbi is involving itself with the chain of evidence and specifically the forensics. >> looking at the devastation inside that mall, it's incredible the death toll is what it is right now. it seems very likely it will go up as they're able to start to sift through some of that, it looks like several floors collapsed in on each other. we appreciate the update as well as the red alert by interpol.

the u.s. state department has renewed its terrorism alert. they say there's no specific evidence that al shabaab is planning anything here in the united states, but as we said, the fbi is on the ground in nairobi combing through the wreckage of the mall. joining me now a member of the dhs and cia boards. and a former supervisory agent. you've dealt with these before when you were in the bush administration. what is the significance of it? >> what it signifies is that they've found -- interpol will review the charges. they believe there's probable cause. so they've made some judgment. and then it's like an exhibit national arrest notice. so every time she tries to cross a border. anytime she comes in contact

with law enforcement, they will run against the database and it will show that there's this red notice that will allow them to take her into custody and file formal charges for extradition. >> you now a lot about how these terror groups operate. would you be surprised if she was among the attackers or part of the planners? >> very surprised. these are a bunch of people who believe that women shouldn't be involved in operations that men are doing. we've a seen groups like al shabaab deploy female suicide attackers, but if what she is describing where a woman is fearing automatic weapons and, you know, playing a leading role in this operation, that would be, i think, quite unusual. >> there were eyewitnesses of multiple women. but didn't chechen terrorists use women in attacks, even back

in sk in descri ? >> i haven't seen it with al shabaab. i haven't really seen it with groups that are affiliated with al qaeda. they're happy to send suicide bombers, but it's very unusual for them to play an operational role. that doesn't mean they can't be aboved in financing the group or supporting it in some other way, but it would be very unusual. >> steve, you supervised the last attack in nairobi. what does this entail? and is eight agents enough? >> agent agen-- eight agents is

enough. you saw the size of that, the hole in the ground. you couldn't excavate it and get the information you need. you would need dozens and dozens of agents to go through that. you're going to call out the entire evidence response team. i mean, looking at that response team plus the mall, i would need a 100 agents. >> 100 agents. it seems like a lot of the forensic evidence that's outside in the parking deck, how big a concern is that in terms of evidence degrading in those conditions? >> it's not going to be so bad here because it's not an explosion. when you really want to get in is when you want to get explosive residue off of bodies. that degrades very quickly. i think we know the cause of the explosion here. and even the bodies as they degrade, you're still going to be able to get the dna, the objects that are within the body

that would give an indication of how they dies and at whose hands they died. >> what is it particularly that's the most important thing to try to get out of this? you said that they know probably the cause of these explosions. i would assume it's ieds set by these groups. so what are they trying to find, the identities of the attackers? >> first of all, you want to find if it is an ied set by the group or why they used some kind of rpg to try to get the terrorists out. so you are going to try to find that. you are trying to identify who the victims are and who the attackers are. and the way you do that very simply is find all the missing reports and match theed abo bod with the dna from the families who have reported missing. and the ones who have not been reported missing are going to be

terrorists. >> do they have capabilities -- we know a few dozen americans have been recruited to join al shabaab, could they launch an attack here in the united states? and technically this kind of attack, a couple handfuls of gunmen going into a mall? >> i think it's unlikely. for a lot of them it's been a one-way ticket. three or four of them have been suicide attackers. there's some called operation rino. if they came back to the united states, they would be arrested. joining al shabaab is a crime. there are plenty of targets, whether it's americans going on safari or american businesses. and that is often soft targets. that's the real concern rather

than something happening here in the u.s. >> do you agree with that, that an attack here in the u.s. is unlikely? >> i think it is unlikely. i think it's unlikely by those who have left the united states to go fight with al shabaab. you worry about a small cell here in the united states, radicalized over the internet. we saw this happen with al al awlaki. that's what i worry about. and truthfully, soft target attacks, whether it's malls, hotels, that sort of attack, that's been the target of the fbi working with the private sector to watch for suspicious behavior so you try to disrupt that. >> as we said, there's no official confirmation that the white widow was involved in the nairobi attack.

but there is concern about it. if the notion of a female terrorist sounds strange, there is precedent for it. they do exist. watch. >> reporter: before the white widow, there were the black widows, names given to female chechen extremists. they were first seen as hostage takers in 2002. black widows were believed to be seeking revenge for lost husbands in the war. they were dressed all in black and wore martyrs belts filled with explosives. this russian security expert was trying to defuse a bomb in 2003. he died when the bomb went off. a number of females were involved in terrorist attacks in the irish republican army. this was one of the most

infamous. she later attempted to brlow upa police station. she was arrested for crimes related to the ira and served time in jail. she spoke about her experiences. >> i was accepting the recognition. but there can come a time when you may or hey not want to kill people. >> reporter: the israeli/palestinian conflict also created a number of women terrorists. this one died after detonating explosives in her belt, her family saying she wanted to become a martyr. but female terrorists haven't always been overseas. pat pat pat patty hurst. and jihad jane.

she later pleaded guilty. another example that terrorism knows no boundaries whether they be geographic or gender. let us know what you think. you can follow me on twitter @anderson cooper. we uncover massive fraud in california's drug rehab program. today lawmakers did the grilling. we'll tell you if they got answers. also ahead. stacy ramble is a free man. he spent a month for raping a student. his victim later killed herself. could he actually go back to jail after serving just 30 days? we'll get the latest, ahead. [ tires screech ] ♪

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california less laters grilled bureaucrats. the california drug program receives millions of dollars of your tax money. they found abuses so bad that some were shut down. cnn for a long time tried to ask the people in charge of the program why they didn't try to stop the fraud. at nearly every turn, they didn't want to answer. they finally tracked down the woman who oversaw the program.

>> reporter: drew griffin with cnn. we've been trying to reach you and talk about the widespread fraud in the business. but we were told that you nor anybody in the state of california will talk to us about it. >> reporter: in an uncomfortable moment, the secretary refused to speak. do you know alex ferdman, a convicted felon who apparently runs one of these clep ebbsen a has been billing the state of california for several years, despite the fact that there have been complaints registered with the department about him? he's convicted of a major insurance fraud in the state of texas but somehow was able to get certified and has been billing. i'm just wondering if there's anybody in the state of california that's concerned about this. then finally answered a question. >> the state of california takes fraud very seriously. tan there are many investigations under way. all allegations are given full and fair consideration.

and you caught me running, because i am late for a meeting that i'm chairing. >> there are not a lot of answers in that interview. once we aired that interview which was frankly kind of embarrassing for that official, they september out another official to come on the program so we could interview and ask questions live but that official couldn't answer either. >> you have no idea who's responsible either? >> what my focus is, is that i'm rooting out all this fraud. we have all our investigators, we are putting all our resources to root out this fraud. >> you have not shut down any in that year? >> i can't give you the numbers on right now. >> so you can't name one clin eck you shic in one year. >> these are open investigations. >> can you name one of the

felons running the clinic that drew has talked to. can you name one clinic that you've shut down? >> our focus is on rooting out this fraud. >> i feel bad that, i appreciate you being on tonight, and i know your boss didn't want to talk tonight, and i appreciate you being on, but you have one talking point, and you continue to say it, and you answer every time and verify that you're giving the same answer over and over again. as you can see not a lot of answers from that interview. today the next step. lawmakers demanding answers. >> reporter: after weeks and even months of dodging cnn's questions concerning rampant fraud in california's drug mad cal system, the head of california's health care service, toby douglas went before state legislators, confirmed the fraud has been out of control and apologized. >> what we are uncovering is completely unacceptable.

and i am here to tell you that we are sorry. >> reporter: while legislators grilled douglas on why it took a news report to get the agency to act, the state has confirmed it is in fact acting. >> the system didn't work well, it was a fractured system. there were systematic failures within the state. it is true that many of the problems came to light through investigative reporting. >> reporter: 64 criminal cases are being investigated through the state's department of justice. 174 clinic sites have been suspended including every one exposed in our series. did he call back and say he's not coming? this past july, cnn exposed widespread fraud in the nation's largest medicaid system. we found that in the last two

years, half, the nearly $186 million spent on drug medical went to clinics that have shown questionable billing practices or signs of fraud. >> personally as a physician who treats children on med-cal, i am outraged. >> reporter: the man who chairs the health care committee said today he was offended the fraud was allowed to go on, and says as of today it must stop. >> the same people that are in there apologizing, the same people sellitelling us we're se this fraud throughout the system are the same people telling us they're going to fix the system. are you satisfied? >> there is going to be ongoing work. i am happy to see that they've made progress, but there's still unfinished work. they've taken steps to address the immediate problem. but we need to make sure we have

the fundamental changes in place to keep this from happening again. >> so this is a complete turn around basically admitting everything in our reporting and not trying to defend anything. why the change? >> reporter: well, i think there is no defense. they began looking into it and found what we found and maybe even worse, anderson. the state knew fraud was going on. they ignored the warning signs. they looked the other way, even when they found convicted felons running some of their own clinics. >> it's incredible to see the results you were able to get on this reporting. no one is getting fired though. no big changes. and the people who were involved in the fraud are now in charge of cleaning it up. >> reporter: the same people that you and i interviewed and were trying to defend the program just a month or so ago are now saying that, you know, they are going to clean it up. they are going to do something. lawmakers say they're on it now.

they're going to give this department exactly one year to permanently solve the fraud problems or as one lawmaker told me, they'll solve it themselves. just this year, 36 million taxpayer dollars have already been sent to these clinics that are already suspended. so we're talking about a lot of money here. >> it was interesting when we had that guy on the program he said he had no idea previous to him getting his position was responsible for oversight and who dropped the ball. he's not able to name any names. really frustrating stuff great reporting. thanks drew. up next, new fears tonight that al qaeda's influence among opposition groups in syria is growing and is influencing them with sharia law.

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house republicans appear to be shifting tactics with obama and democrats. speaker john boehner. reporters say he doesn't expect them to close up shop. and now they are focusing on the next looming battle, raising the debt ceiling in mid october. the president said firmly again

today that he will not negotiate over the debt ceiling. dana bash is on capitol hill tonight. congress hasn't figured out how to avoid the government shut down but already gearing up for the next showdown? >> reporter: absolutely. it does seem odd, although it's not that far away, one of the main reasons is because republicans consider these things very much connective for a couple of reasons. but primarily just in terms of controlling the restive caucus that john baner has. and he flows some lessons about this. he wants to try to tell them, look, hopefully from their perspective, they'll pass a bill to fund the government. it may not have the other things, obamacare defunding in it, they shouldn't worry so much about it and they have a laundry list of things.

one congressman said they're putting on there pretty much everything the house republicans debated the entire year, and they're doing it primarily in order to try to calm the republican caucus. because they know how hard it is to get consensus in order to get votes. >> i mean, at this point, though, do they seem any closer to a deal? is it possible the government could shut down tuesday? >> reporter: it is possible. i don't even want to ventura guess as to whether it's probable or possible. when it comes to a deal, the issue at this point really seems to be one of timing. it seems inevitable that the senate is going to pass a bill that funds the government. the question is how quickly they will return that bill and whether they have time to pass something they can send po the president in time for that monday night deadline. it is a race against the clock right now. >> do congress mens realize how

tired americans are? >> reporter: absolutely. you can't walk around the hallways without hearing people say their con sit wents have crisis fatigue. many who were elected in 2010 on that tea party wave, frankly, they don't care. they believe they came here to stand for presence pl. and there's nowhere they'd rather do it than the presendeb. they believe in terms of principle and philosophy, that's the best place to have these negotiations. >> there's a lot lapping here. we saw breaking news, the u.s. and russia have agreed to a draft resolution on syria's

chemical weapons disarmament the push comes after the u.s. says more than 1400 syrians were killed in a gas attack last month. however, a source says the resolution won't authorize automatic use of force if syria violates it. meanwhile, 13 of syria's opposition groups announced they've rejected another powerful opposition group that's formed an interim government in exile. and all 13 have called on supporters to embrace sharia law. and in new york the first historic meeting in more than 30 years. john kerry meets face-to-face with his counterparts. and an amazing discovery where a plane crashed more than 60 years ago. a climber found rubies and sapphires that could be valued

at $362,000. a deeper walks out of jail after serving a month for raping a student. also a woman who was sentenced for 20 years for firing a warping shot into a wall to warn off her abusive husband. now she's getting a chance to tell her side of the story. more still ahead. anything we purchase for the paper cottage goes on our ink card. so you can manage your business expenses and access them online instantly with the game changing app from ink. we didn't get into business to spend time managing receipts, that's why we have ink. we like being in business because we like being creative, we like interacting with people. so you have time to focus on the things you love. ink from chase. so you can.

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crime and punishment segment tonight, a former teacher who admitted to rapes his then 14-year-old student walked out of jail in montana today after serving only one month. stacey rambold here he is entering a probation office in billings. we've been covering the outrage surrounding this case for awhile, not only for the light sentence he received but for the comments the judge made about the victim suggesting she was partly to blame because in his opinion she seemed and i quote, older than her chronological age. she was 14, remember. the judge later apologized, but there are still calls for him to step down. the victim killed herself before the case went her trial. her mom said she is still waiting for justice for her daughter. for now the man who raped her daughter is no long behind bars. kyung lah joins me from billings, montana. you caught up with this guy outside his parole office. did he have anything to say or was he just scurrying away? >> reporter: scurrying away. other than actually shoving me out of his way he didn't have

anything to say to us going in, going out. he wore a ball cap. he actually tried to switch out cars as he was leaving so he didn't tip us off that he was actually going to be exiting out of the parole office. we asked him questions about the sentence, about charisse morales if he had anything to say about this young girl. he had nothing to say. >> do we know where he's going now? does he go home and pick up where he left off a month ago? >> reporter: essentially, yes. he has served his time. he is free on parole. he does have to follow the conditions of parole. there are some 59 things he has to do, cannot do. he can't open a checking account. he can't get on the internet. can't be around kids. he can't even walk into a bar. it's quite restrictive. but he is still home, he is essentially free because he's done his time. >> as far as this appeal with the montana supreme court, it could send him back to jail. what's the latest with that? what's the status? >> reporter: well, it's stuck. we have seen certainly in this

case the wheels of justice move quite slowly. this original little crime happened in 2008. it happened way back then. charisse's mother has often exclaimed how much longer do you have to wait. well when it comes to the state supreme court weighing in it could take anywhere from 6 to 18 months. so the wait will take some time. prosecutors are hoping they can make their arguments before the state supreme court and that they will send him back to jail for the minimum of two years. >> he's not still a teacher, right? >> reporter: no, he is absolutely not teacher now. he has lost his job. the school was actually sued by the mother, and the school had to pay out something. we don't know the conditions of that. but yes, he is absolutely not an educator right now and he can't be around kids as a condition of parole. >> kyung lah appreciate the update. in crime and punishment tonight, a major developments in another controversial case we've been following in florida. marissa alexander was sentenced to 20 years in prison after she fired a warning shot into a wall trying to scare off her abusive

husband. the bullet did not hit him. no one was hurt. still it took a jury less than 15 minutes to convict her, rejecting her defense under florida's stand your ground law. now marissa alexander has been granted a new trial after the appeals court ruled the judge didn't properly handle jury instructions. last year gary tupmann. >> reporter: she walks down the prison hallway in handcuffs. she's been sentenced to 20 years behind bars, convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. she says she was defending herself, standing her ground from a husband who had been arrested before on charges of abusing her. >> he was arrested for doing what to do? >> he choked me. pushed me forecefully into the tub. he pushed me so hard into the closet that i hit my head against the wall and i kind of passed out for a second. >> reporter: her husband received probation after that incident. months later, alexander says she was in the bathroom at their

home here in jacksonville, florida, when her husband started pounding on the door. she says he was in a jealous rage over text messages on her cell phone. >> he managed to get the door open. that's when he strangled me. he put his hands around my neck. >> reporter: alexander got away from her husband and then made a fate full decision. she could have run out the front door and escaped. instead she ran into the garage but said she did not have her car keys so the garage door was stuck. instead she grabbed her gun she kept in this garage. >> what did you think you were going to do with it? >> i thought they was going to have to protect myself. >> were you thinking you might have to shoot him? >> yeah, i did. if it came to that. he saw my weapon at my side. and when he saw it he was even more upset. and that's when he threatened to kill me. >> but how is he going to kill you if you're the one with the gun? >> i agree. i thought it was crazy, too. >> why didn't you run out the door at that point? >> there was no other way to get out the door. he was right there threatening to kill me. >> what if you had run around

him to get out the door? >> the law states i don't have to. >> reporter: the law she's talking about is the controversial stand your ground law. instead of running she did what she thought was allowed by law. she believed she stood her ground and fired the gun into the wall. nobody was hurt. but it was enough to scare her husband, rico gray, and he left the house with his two young children from a previous relationship. alexander was safe from her husband but not from the law. she was arrested, her stand your ground defense rejected and found guilty by a jury. marissa alexander's husband rico gray agreed to do an on camera interview with us to counter his wife's allegations. a few hours later he made the decision not to do the interview, claiming that going on camera would put his life in danger. later he september us an e-mail saying he would do an interview if he got paid, which cnn does no do. but he has already said quite a bit. during a deposition with the prosecutor from the office of state attorney angela corey, and a defense attorney for his wife, rico gray acknowledged hitting his wife in the past and said

this about the shooting incident quote if my kids weren't there, i knew i probably would have tried to take gun from her. i probably would have put my hand on her. marissa alexander's attorney then asked the husband what he meant about putting his hand on her. rico gray responded "probably hit her. i got five baby mamas and i put my hands on every last one of them except for one." >> i believe when he threateneded to kill me that's what he was going to do. that's exactly what he intended to do. had i not discharged my weapon at that point, i would not be here. >> reporter: but later at a court hearing to determine whether marissa alexander should get immunity based on the stand your ground law, rico gray changed his story, saying he lied repeatedly in the deposition to protect his wife, claiming he did not threaten to kill her and testifying quote i begged and pleaded for my life when she had the gun. the jury deliberated for 12 minutes before convicting her. the jacksonville naacp wrote a letter to the trial judge saying

marissa alexander may not have received justice because of her gender, race or economic status. some african-american news sites are saying much the same thing. that if marissa had been white her stand your ground defense would have been send and she wouldn't be facing 20 years in prison. alexander will not say if she agrees with that possibility. >> i'm going to be honest with you. i'm uncomfortable answering that. >> reporter: for now she remains behind bars. she had a baby girl with rico gray but she only sees her child in photographs. rico gray has custody. he's considered the victim. marissa alexander the criminal. >> this is my life i'm fighting for. this is my life. and it's my life it is not entertainment. it is my life. >> gary tuchman joins me now from atlanta. she's been granted this new trial. but her stand your ground defense is still off the table? >> reporter: right. that's still off the table. the appellate court didn't have a problem with that being ruled inadmissible. what the appellate court said was during the trial the jury

was told that marissa alexander had to prove it was self-defense. they said that was wrong. it was up to the prosecution to prove thought wasn't self-defense. they said that was wrong. so there will be an increased burden on the prosecution in the new trial. there will also be a hearing before the trial, anderson, which marissa alexander could get out of jail on bond until the trial. >> what's interesting, she was prosecuted by angela corey's office, the same office that prosecuted and lost the george zimmerman case. has there been any reaction from them? >> reporter: there has been and they're still being very aggressive about this case. they came out with a statement and it reads "the defendant's conviction was reversed on a legal technicality. the first district court of appeal found that florida's supreme court's jury instructions were wrong. we're gratified that the court affirmed the defendant's stand your ground ruling. this means the defendant will not have another stand your ground hearing. the case will be back in circuit court in the fourth judicial circuit at the appropriate time." one final thing, anderson, she's come out with a statement, marissa alexander. her lawyers said she's ecstatic,

thankful and wants to get back to her family. >> gary appreciate it. coming up human remains discovered among the wreckage at the costa concordia 20 months after that ship hit rocks, capsized killing 32 people. also ahead, scary notion. hundreds of passengers aboard an airliner at 30,000 feet with at least one of the pilots asleep in the cockpit. new details about an incident on an airbus when we continue. ♪ ♪ unh ♪ [ male announcer ] you can choose to blend in. ♪ or you can choose to blend out. the all-new 2014 lexus is. it's your move.

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when the costa concordia capsized off italy in 2012, 32 people died. some of the victims' bodies were never found. now remains have been found in the wreckage which divers will recover. these remains, what do we know about them? >> reporter: well, these aren't bodies. these are really just bones and fragments of bones that were found in an area that has previously been inaccessible because the ship was lying on its side on these two underwater mountaintops until they righted it last week. the salvage operators have sort of pinpointed the areas which they thought they would have the best success in finding these remains. and that's where the divers began. they only started yesterday.

so within 24 hours they found the remains. what we don't know, though, is if these are the remains of the both of the people, 50-year-old sicilian woman and 30-year-old indian waiter a crew member on the ship. those are the two people they're looking for. there's nothing identifiable at this point. they'll need to use dna in order to determine if these are in fact those two missing victims. >> and the captain of the ship, his trial resumed on monday. he's arguing he's a hero actually who saved 4,000 people, right? >> reporter: that's right. there were 4,229 people on that ship. 32 people died. he says he's not the villain, he's the hero, because so many people lived. but of course, he is also being charged for abandoning ship. he sort of as he says fell into a life boat the night of the accident. he was on ground on the island of gilio before several thousand passengers were on. so it remains to be certain, this is certainly what the prosecutors are trying to prove, that he was not actually involved in the evacuation of those passengers, therefore he's

culpable in the deaths that occurred as a result. >> he's actually saying he fell into a life boat? >> reporter: that's right. he says he fell into a life boat during the chaos of that night. coincidentally he had his laptop computer so it's a little bit arguably about how that dynamic could have played out. then he says he couldn't get back on the ship. there's plenty of conversation that was taped between the port authority and the captain when he was on land. and the port authority saying get back on ship. get back on the ship. and the captain's arguing i can't it's on its side. you can't crawl up the side of a ship when it's in that position. but at the end of the day, he's the captain. he should have been able to convince someone to put him back on the ship. there were plenty of other people getting on the ship trying to save passengers and get them off. the captain was not one of them. >> fell into a life boat with his laptop. never heard of that. thank you very much. appreciate it. there's a lot more fore we're following tonight. isha is here. autopsy of the navy yard shooter is complete and his body

has been released. authorities won't say who retrieved his body or the results of the autopsy. the gunman killed 12 people in a shooting rampage earlier this month. jury deliberations have started in the michael jackson wrongful death trial. the jury must decide if concert promoter aeg live is liable for jackson's 2009 overdose death. its executives hired dr. conrad murray who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the criminal trial. the jackson family is seeking up to $2 billion in damages. the u.k. aviation authorities say pilots snoozed in the cockpit over 300 passenger airliner like this one while cruising at 30,000 feet en route to britain. however, the airline virgin atlantic says it has no evidence both pilots were asleep at the same time. anderson is back next with "the ridiculist."

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time now for "the ridiculist." tonight i want to introduce you to a man who forever will change the way you think about facial hair. mr. incredibeard posts pictures of his hair. some of him have actually have practical applications as well.

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