tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN September 27, 2013 4:00am-5:00am EDT
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and chelsea and which one he believes might make a better president has everyone yapping. all that of course and his attempted impression of bon know. that's all for us tonight. "ac 360 later" starts right now. good evening, everybody. tonight, they didn't want to answer our questions about the rampant fraud we found in california's drug rehab program. so today lawmakers grilled them. we were there following up on our year long investigation. an investigation has shut down a lot of clinics. also a rapist is free tonight after serving just a month for his crime. that's right, a month. his victim was 14 years old, and she later killed herself. the judge in the case described the victim as, quote, older than they are chronological age. we begin with breaking news out of kenya. kenyan authorities say they have a man in custody who they believe was involved in the shopping mall. police believe he may have tried to slip out with the panicked crowds.
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authorities thought he may have tried to flee tonight slipping out with the crowd. cnn has been told tonight that several young women were among the attackers, and one of them was a white woman. authorities are much more cautious with a senior kenyan official saying they know of one woman for sure and it was not possible to identify that woman's ethnicity at this point. the bodies of six of the terrorists are believed to be trapped in the rubble of the collapsed parking garage in the mall. our reporter has been covering the story from beginning. these new details about women being among the attackers, according to eyewitnesses, was do we know about this? >> reporter: well, there's a number of people that we spoke to were very categoric that they saw women amongst the attackers, and this white woman they said appeared to be giving orders and firing indiscriminately into the crowd. as you said, the authorities are now being slightly circumspect
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about this, but they do acknowledge that there is a growing body of evidence leading them to believe that this could indeed be true. but they say they can't be sure for now, anderson. >> eyewitness reports, you have to take them with a grain of salt. so we will see what the forensic evidence shows. there have been a lot of reports about this british woman, so called white widow and about her possibly being involved. what do you know about her? can you tell us what you know about her? >> reporter: well, today, the kenyan authorities requested a red notice through interpol which effectively activates a trip wire, which requires forces around the world to attempt to arrest her and this they say is to do with charges that stem back to 2011 where she was suspected of involvement in a plot to blow up a hotel, also
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frequented by westerners in a kenyan coastal town. the timing, anderson so, especially given all these reports we're hearing about a white woman amongst the attackers, that's raised a few eyebrows to say the least. >> her name is samantha youthway. she was the wife of one of the london bombers? is that right? >> reporter: yes, she was. she was the wife of germane lindsay, one of the bombers who killed himself in that attack. interestingly. she's a daughter of a british soldier. she's a convert to islam. i remember he seeing these images of her where she was categoric about how she condemned lindsey's actions she popped up in 2011 of another house the kenyan authorities were pursuing. she managed to evade them then. they found a fake passport, an extraordinary amount of weaponry and she has been on the run since then. >> now we know the fbi's on the ground right now. have they gained access to the mall? what are they doing there?
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>> reporter: well, we understand that they didn't gain access immediately, but since then they have gone on the ground. they have been in there. they are involved in the forensic investigation. given the state of that crime scene, we've been seeing pictures of that collapsed parking lot, the detonations, they need all of the help they can get. the fbi is involving itself with the chain of evidence and specifically the forensics. >> looking at the devastation inside that mall, it's incredible the death toll is what it is right now. it seems very likely it will go up as they're able to start to sift through some of that, it looks like several floors collapsed in on each other. we appreciate the update. a red alert by interpol. the u.s. state department
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has renewed its terrorism alert. they say there's no specific evidence that al shabaab is planning anything here in the united states, but as we said, the fbi is on the ground in nairobi combing through the wreckage of the mall. joining me now is cnn international investigators steven bergen. you've dealt with these before when you were in the bush administration. what is the significance of it? >> what it signifies is that they've found -- interpol will review the charges levied against her by the kenyan government. they believe there's probable cause. so they've made some judgment. and then it's like an example of national arrest notice. so every time she tries to cross a border. anytime she comes in contact with law enforcement, they will run against the database and it will show that there's this red notice that will allow them to
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take her into custody until they can contact interpol and file formal charges for extradition. >> you now a lot about how these terror groups operate. would you be surprised if she was among the attackers or part of the planners? >> very surprised. these are a bunch of people who believe that women shouldn't be involved in operations that men are doing. we've a seen groups like al shabaab deploy female suicide attackers to go in and carry a bomb on. but if what she is describing where a woman is fearing -- firing automatic weapons and playing a leading role in this operation, that would be, i think, quite unusual. >> there were eyewitnesses of multiple women. but didn't chechen terrorists use women in attacks, even back sri lanka?
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weren't were a lot of suicide attacks there as well? >> it has been among operatives. i haven't seen it with al shabaab. i haven't really seen it with groups that are affiliated with al qaeda. they are happy to send women as suicide bombers but it's very unusual for them to play an operational role. that doesn't mean they can't be involved in financing the group or supporting it in some other way, but it would be very unusual. >> steve, you supervised the last investigation to the u.s. em bassey attack in nairobi. what does this entail? and is eight agents enough? >> agent -- eight agents is not enough. i supervised that attack in paur pakistan, just to be clear. you saw the size of that, the hole in the ground. you couldn't excavate it and get the information you need.
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you would need dozens and dozens of agents to go through that. you're going to call out the entire evidence response team. i mean, looking at that response team plus the mall, i would need a 100 agents. you want to look that for a year, fine, but you'll lose a lot of evidence on the way. >> wow. a hundred agents. it seems like a lot of the forensic evidence that's outside in the parking deck, how big a concern is that in terms of evidence degrading in those conditions? >> it's not going to be so bad here because it's not an explosion. when you really want to get in is when you want to get explosive residue off of bodies. off of vehicles, things like that. that degrades very quickly. this was -- i think we know the cause of the explosion here. even the bodies as they degrade, you're still going to be able to get the evidence out of them, the dna, the objects as hard as it sounds, the objects that are within the body that would give an indication of how they died and at whose hands they died. >> what is it particularly
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that's the most important thing to try to get out of this? i mean, you said that they probably know the cause of these explosions. i would say assume it's ieds set by these groups. so what are they actually trying to find? the identities of these attackers? first of all, you want to find out if it is an ied set by the group or if they used some kind of rpg to try to get the terrorists out. so, yeah, you're going to try to find that. you're trying to find out who the victims are and who the attackers are. the way you do that very simply is you find all the missing people reports, you match the bodies with the dna taken off of the family members who reported them missing because, frankly, fingerprints are useful in third world countries. and then the ones who have nobody missing them are reliably going to be your terrorists. >> peter, in terms of al shabaab, their capabilities, do they have capabilities inside the united states? we know a lot of americans, a few dozen americans have been
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recruited, mostly from the somalia community. could they launch here in the united states and particularly this kind of attack, you know, a couple of handfuls of gunmen going into a mall. >> i think it's quite unlikely. for all of them, it's been a one-way ticket. 15 of the 40 people who have gone own to somalia have been killed. three or four have been suicide attackers. they are intense scrutiny. the justice department and fbi has been doing it for years, looking into these folks. i think if they came back to the united states, they'd be arrested. joining shabaab is a crime. now, you know, on the other hand, there are plenty of american targets in kenya itself and other places in africa, whether it's americans going on safari, american businesses. that, of course, these are often soft targets. so that's the real concern, i think, rather than something happening here in the u.s. >> fran, do you agree with that?
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something like this is unlikely in the united states? >> i think it is unlikely. i think it's unlikely by those who left the united states to go and fight with al shabaab. what you worry about is a small cell here in the united states radicalized over the internet. we've seen this happen with al awlaki when he was alive. preacher raddalizing. see, that's what i worry about. truthfully, anderson, soft target attacks, whether it's malls, hotels, that kind of attack has long been the focus of the fbi sector to work with those targets. the hard-nosed targets to make people more aware so they watch for suspicious behavior, so you try to disrupt that. >> fran townsend, peter bergen, steve moore, thanks for being on. i appreciate that. as we said, there is no official authentication that samantha lewthwaite known as the white widow was involved in that mall attack but there is growing concern about it. if the notion of a female
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terrorist sounds strange or unlikely as peter and i were talking about this, there is precedence for it. they do exist. watch. before the white widow, there were the black widows, a name given to female chechen militants who were part of the struggle for chechen independents. were first seen as hostage takers in the moscow theater attack in 2002. black widows were seeking revenge for husbands lost in the war. they were dressed all in black and wore so-called martyr belts. they were involved in a series of suicide bombings. this russian security expert was trying to diffuse a bomb outside a moscow restaurant in three. he died when the bomb went off. a number of females were involved in terrorist attacks for the irish republican army. rose dugdale was one of the most infamous. she joined the ira in the 1970s
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and later blew up a police station. she served time in jail. years later she spoke to the irish public broadcasting her experiences. >> i was accepting the recognition. there come a time where you may or may not want to kill people. >> reporter: the long simmering palestinian/israeli conflict produced a number of of female terrorists. this grandmother attempted to blow up people in 2006. she died after detonating explosives in her belt. her family reportedly saying she wanted to become a martyr. but female terrorists haven't only been terrorists overseas. patty hearst back rat calized after she was kidnapped in 1974. she later claimed she was brain washed by the group. colleen la rose also known as jihad jane who tried to radicalize philadelphia women
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who participated online and later pleaded guilty to supporting terrorism. another example that terrorism knows no boundaries, whether they be geographic or gender. let us know what you think. phone me at twitter #ac360. california's drug rehab program. we tried to ask officials questions. today, lawmakers did the grilling and tell you if they got answers. we are keeping them honest. also ahead, stacey rambold is a free man tonight. he served a month for raping a former student. she just 14 years old. that's him scurrying away from our reporter and cameras. his victim later killed herself. could he go back to jail after serving 30 days? we'll get the latest from kyung lah straight ahead. the temperate on the thermometer, be ready. for high fever, nothing works faster or lasts longer. be ready with children's motrin. just by talking to a helmet. it grabbed the patient's record before we even picked him up. it found out the doctor we needed was at st. anne's.
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keeping you honest tonight. california grilled legislators after a year-long investigation by cnn in the center for investigative reporter. if you're a regular viewer of the program, you know the hearing centered on allegations of fraud in california's fraud program. a program that receives millions of your taxpayer dollars as well. our investigation found fraud so egregious, so bad that as a result, 174 drug rehab locations were suspended with some even shut down. cnn's drew griffin repeatedly for a long time tried to ask the people in charge of the program why they weren't doing more to stop the fraud. his reporting uncovered. nearly every turn, however, people just didn't want to answer. watch what happens when he finally track down an official diana dooley who runs the agency who was supposed to oversee the program. >> reporter: drew griffin with cnn. >> how are you doing? >> reporter: we've been trying to reach you and talk about the widespread fraud in the drug
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rehab business. but we're told that neither you nor nobody with the program will talk to us about it. in an uncomfortable moment, the secretary at first refused to speak. secretary, do you know alex ferdman, a convicted felon who apparently runs one of these clinics and has been billing the state of california for several years, despite the fact that there have been complaints registered with the department about him? he was convicted of a major insurance fraud in the state of texas but somehow was able to get certified and has been billing them. i'm just wondering if there's anybody concerned about this fraud. then finally answered a question. >> the state of california takes fraud very seriously and there are many investigations that are under way. the allegations, all allegations are given full and fair consideration. and you've caught me running because i am late for a meeting. >> there were certainly not a
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lot of answers in that interview. once we entered that interview which was, frankly, kind embarrassing, came on and answered questions but, frankly, that official didn't have many answers either. you have no idea what happened in the past? you have no idea who's responsible? >> what my focus is on now, anderson, is making sure i'm rooting out all of this fraud. we're having all our investigators, resources to rule out this fraud. >> for a year you've been investigating. have you not shut down any in that year? >> i can't give you the numbers on -- on -- right now >> so you can't name one clinic that you shut down in the entire year that you were -- >> these are open -- no. these are open investigations, anderson. >> can you name one of the felons running one of the clinics that drew has talked to. can you name one person, one clinic that you've actually shut down or stop -- >> again, the focus is -- again,
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anderson, our focus is on rooting out this fraud. >> i feel bad that -- i mean i appreciate you being on tonight and i know your boss didn't want to talk and i appreciate you being on, but you only have one talking point and you continue to say it. in fact, you answer every time by saying, again, just verifies that you're giving the same answer over and over again. as you can see, not a lot of answers from that interview. today, the next step. lawmakers demand answers. here's drew's report. >> reporter: after weeks and even months of dodging cnn's questions concerning rampant fraud in california's drug medi-cal system, the head of california's health care services toby douglas today went before state legislators, confirmed the fraud has been out of control, and apologized. >> what we are uncovering in terms of the fraud and the other issues with the drug medi-cal program is completely unacceptable and i'm here to
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tell you that we are sorry. >> reporter: while legislators grilled douglas on why it took a news report to get the agency to act, the state has confirmed it is, in fact, now acting. >> the system didn't work well, that it was a fractured system, that there was systematic failures within the state. it is true that many of the problems came to light through investigative reporting. >> reporter: 64 criminal cases are being investigated through the state's didn't of justice. 174 clinic sites have also been suspended including every single clinic exposed in our rehab racket series. sir -- wait a minute now. did he call back and say he's not coming? this past july cnn and the center for investigative reporting exposed widespread fraud in the nation's largest medicaid system. we found that in the last two years half the nearly 186 million dollar spent on drug medi-cal, about $94 million,
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went to clinics that have shown questionable billing practices or signs of fraud. >> personally, as a physician who cares for children on medi-cal, i'm outraged to learn people are cheating taxpayers. >> reporter: dr. richard pan who is a california assembly man and heads the state's health care committee today says as a physician himself he's offended the fraud was allowed to go on and he says as of today it must stop. the same people that are apologizing, the same people telling us that we are seeing this systematic failure and fraught throughout the system are the same people now who are telling you they're going fix the problem. are you satisfied? >> there's going to be ongoing work. i am happy to see that they have made progress, but clearly under testimony, think there's still unfinished work. they have taken steps to address sort of the immediate problem, but we need to make sure we have the fundamental changes in place to help this from happening
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again. >> drew joins us. basically everything in our reporting, not trying to defend anything. why the change? >> reporter: well, i think there is no defense. they began looking into it and found what we found and maybe even worse, anderson. look. the state knew fraud was going on. they ignored the warning signs. they looked the other way, even when they found convicted felons running some of their own clinics. anderson? >> it's incredible to see the kind of results you're able to get on this and see that today. nobody's getting fired. no big changes at the state health department. and the same people who allowed the fraud, they're now in charge of cleaning it up, right? >> reporter: yeah, the same people i might add that you and i interviewed and were trying to defend the program just a month or so ago are now saying that, you know, they are going to clean it up, they're going do something. lawmakers say they're on it now. they're going to give this department exactly one year to permanently solve the fraud
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problems or as one lawmaker told me, they'll solve it themselves. but, anderson, just this year, just this year, 36 million taxpayer dollars have already been sent to these clinics that are now suspended. so we're talking about a lot of wasted money here. >> it was so frustrating when we had the guy on from the program who said, well, he had no idea who, previous to him getting to his position, was responsible for oversight and who dropped the ball and he's not able to name any names. really frustrating stuff. drew, we will continue to report. and great reporting. thanks, drew. >> if you've got a tip, go to cnn.com/investigate. up next. al qaeda interest in opposition groups in syria is growing. replacing the assad regime with shari'a law. a number of groups seem to aligning themselves with al qaeda backed groups. and later a development in the case of marissa alexander. a woman in prison for firing a
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republicans appear to be shifting tactics in their battle with president obama about the shutdown for the federal government on tuesday if no vote is in place. speaker job boehner told reporters today that he doesn't expect the government to close up shop and it now look like he and other gop leaders are focusing on the next looming battle, raising the debt kooelg -- ceiling in mid october. they're calling president obama to come to the table and work out a compromise. the president said firmly today
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he will not negotiate over the debt ceiling. are they already gearing up for the next showdown? is that right? >> reporter: absolutely right. they huddled over what kind of package they want to put together. it does seem odd but it's only 2 1/2 weeks away. one of the main reasons, the republicans consider these things very much connected for a couple of reasons but primarily in terms of controlling the rest of the caucus that john boehner has and he knows he's learning some lessons about this. he wants to try to tell them, look, hopefully from their perspective they will pass a bill to fund the government. it may not have the spending cuts on it. it may not have some of the other things on it, but they shouldn't worry so much because the next fight is just around the corner and they have a laundry list of things. one republican congressman, anderson, said to me they're putting on everything that the
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house republicans voted on this entire year. the keystone pipeline, tax reform. delaying obamacare. and they're doing it primarily in order to try to calm the republican caucus because they know how hard it is to get consensus in order to get votes. >> i mean at this point, though, do they seem any closer to a deal? is it actually possible the government could shut down tuesday? >> it is possible. i don't even want to venture a guess as to whether or not it's probable or possible. when it comes to a deal, the issue at this point seems to be one of timing. it seems inevitable but the senate is going to pass a bill that funds the government. the question is how quickly the house will return that bill and whether they will change it and whether the senate has time to pass something they can send to the president in time for the monday night deadline. it's a race against the clock right now. >> do members of congress realize how tired people are from this careening of manufactured crisis to manufactured crisis? >> absolutely. so many of them do. you can't walk around the hallways here without people
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saying their constituents have crisis fatigue. however, when you're talking particularly about the house and republicans, many of whom were elected in 2011 on the tea party wave, frankly, they don't care. they believe they came here to stand for principle and the main principle is to deal with the country's debt and there's no place they say they would rather do it than on the whole concept of raising the debt ceiling, meaning allow this country to borrow more money to pay for its debts. that's why, even though it seemed a little more odd, they believe in terms of princie and philosophy, that's the best place to have these negotiations. >> dana, appreciate it. thanks very much. there's a lot more happening tonight. isha is here with the 360 bullet. >> u.s. and russia have agreed to a drop resolution on a chemical weapons disarmament. they now must get approval from the security council. more than 1,400 syrians were
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killed in gas attack last month. however, a source says they won't authorize the automatic use of force if syria violates it. meanwhile 13 of syria's most powerful opposition groups announced they've rejected another powerful opposition glup group that has formed an intergovernment of exile. all 13 have called on supporters to embrace shari'a law. a historic meeting. the first of its kind. john kerry holds face-to-face talks with his iranian counter part to talk about iran's nuclear program. and an amazing discovery, where a plane crashed on a glazier in france more than 60 years ago. according to local reports, a climber found rubies, sapphires and emeralds that could be valued at up to $332,000. wow. >> isha, thanks. coming up, a former teacher walks out of jail after serving only a month for raping his then
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14-year-old student, a young girl who later committed suicide. there is a chance it isn't the end of the story for stacey rambold or the judge who imposed the sentence. also new hope for melissa alexander, the florida woman who served 20 years for firing a shot into the wall to scare off her abusive husband. no one was hurt. took the jury just 12 minutes to convict her but now she's getting another chance to tell her side of the story. we'll explain ahead. dad. how did you get here? i don't know. [ speaking in russian ] look, look, look... you probably want to get away as much as we do. with priceline express deals, you can get a fabulous hotel without bidding. think of the rubles you'll save. with one touch, fun in the sun. i like fun.
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our crime and punishment segment tonight, a former teacher who was charged with raping a 14-year-old student served only one month. stacey rambold left prison today. here he is entering the probation office in billings. we've been covering the outrage surrounding this case for a while. outrage not only for the light sentence he received but for the comments the judge made about the victim suggesting that she was partly to blame because in his opinion she seemed, and i quote, older than her chronological age. she was 14, remember. the judge later apologized, but there are still calls for him to step down. the victim cherice moralez killed herself before the case went to trial. the man who raped her daughter is no longer behind bars. kyung lah joins me from billings, montana. you caught up with this guy outside of his parole office. did he have anything to say or just scurrying away?
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>> reporter: scurry away, more like shoving. he wore a ball cap. tried to switch out cars as he was leaving so he didn't tip us off that he was going to be actually exiting out of the parole office. we asked him questions about the sentence, about cherice moralez, if he had anything to say about this young girl, and he had nothing to say, anderson. >> do we know where he's going now? does he go home and pick up where he left off a month ago? >> reporter: essentially, yes. he has served his time. he's free on parole. he does have to follow the conditions of parole. there are some 59 things he can do, cannot do. he can't open a checking caught, get on the internet, be around kids, walk into a bar. it's quite restrictive but he's essentially home because he has done his time. >> as far as the appeal with the montana supreme court, it could send him back to jail. what's the latest with that? what's the status? >> reporter: well, it sucks.
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we have seen cases like this move quite low. this crime happened in 2008. it happened way back them. cherice's mother often explained how much longer do you have to wait? when it comes to the supreme court weighing in, it could take six to 18 months. prosecutors are hoping they can make their arguments before the state supreme court and that they will send him back to jail for the minimum of two years. >> he's not still a teacher, right? >> reporter: no, he is absolutely not a teacher now. he has lost his job. the school was actually sued by the mother and the school had to pay out something. we don't know the conditions of that. but, yes, he is absolutely a noneducator and he can't be around kids as a condition of his parole. >> kyung lah, thank you very much. sorry you've been pushed around. in crime and punishment now. another case we have been following in florida. marissa alexander, you may not know her name but she spent 20 years in prison after she fired a warning shot into a wall near
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her abusive husband. the jury convicted her. marissa alexander has been granted a new trial after an appeals court rule reported that the judge didn't handle properly the jury instructions. last year, gary tuchman got the only interview with her. listen. >> reporter: she walks down the hallway in jail handcuffs. marissa anderson has been sentenced to 20 years behind bars. convicted with assault with a deadly weapon. she said she was defending herself, standing her ground from a husband who had been arrested before on charges of abusing her. he was arrested for doing what to you? >> he choked me. he pushed me forcefully into the tub. he pushed me so hard into the closet that i hit my head against the wall and i kind of passed out for a second. >> reporter: her husband received probation after that incident. months later, alexander says she was in the bathroom at their home here in jacksonville, florida, when her husband
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started pounding on the door. she said he was in a jealous rage over text messages on her cell phone. >> he managed to get the door open and that's when he strangled me. he put his hands around my neck. >> reporter: alexander got away from her husband and made a fateful decision. she could have run out the front door and escaped. instead, she ran into the garage but says she didn't have her car keys and the door was stuck. instead she grabbed her gun. what did you think you were going do with it? >> i thought i was going protect myself. >> reporter: did you think you'd have to shoot him? >> yeah, if it came to that. he saw my weapon at my side. when he saw it, he was even more upset and that's when he threatened to kill me. >> reporter: how was he going to kill you when you're the one with the gun? >> i agree. i thought it was crazy too. >> reporter: why didn't you run out the door at that point? >> there was no way to run out the door because he was standing
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there in the doorway. >> reporter: what if you ran around him? >> the law states i don't have to. >> reporter: the law she talks about is the stand your ground law. she did what she thought was allowed by law. she believe shed stood her ground and fired the gun into the wall. nobody was hurt but it was enough to scare her husband rico gray and he left the house with his two young children from a previous relationship. alexander was safe from her husband but not from the law. she was arrested her "stand your ground" rejected and found guilty by a jury. her husband rico gray agreed to do an on-camera interview to counter his wife's allegations but a few hours later, he made the decision not to do the interview, claiming going on camera would put his life in danger. later, he sent an e-mail saying he would do the interview if he got paid, which cnn does not do. he has already said quite a bit. during a deposition, ricoh gray acknowledged hitting his wife in the past and said
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this about the shooting incident, quote, if my kids weren't there, i knew i probably would have tried to take the gun from her. i probably would have put my hand on her. marissa alexander's attorney then asked the husband what he meant about putting his hand on her and rico gray responded, probably hit her. i've got five baby mamas and i put my hands on every last one of them, except for one. >> i believe that's exactly what he was going to do. that's exactly what he intended to do. and had i not discharged my weapon at that point, i would not be here. >> but later at a court hearing to determine whether marissa alexander should get immunity based on the stand your ground law, rico gray changed his story saying he lied repeatedly in the deposition claiming to protect his wife claiming. he said i begged and pleaded for my life. alexander was found guilty. the jacksonville naacp wrote a
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letter to the trial judge saying marissa alexander may not have received justice because of her gender, race or ethnic status. some african-american news websites are saying the same thing, if she had been white, the stand your ground law would have been accepting and she wouldn't be facing 20 years in prison. >> i'm going to be honest with you. i'm a little uncomfortable answering that. >> reporter: for now she remains behind bars. she had a baby girl with rico gray. she only sees her in photographers. rico gray has custody. she is the criminal and doesn't have custody. >> this is the life i'm fighting for. this is my life! >> she has now been granted a new trial. but the stand your ground defense, that's still off the table? >> it's still off the table. what the appellate court said was during the trial, the jury was told that marissa alexander had to prove it was self-defense and they said that was wrong.
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it was up to the prosecution to prove that it wasn't self-defense. they said that was wrong. so there will be an increased burden on the prosecution in the new trial. there will also be a hearing before the trial in which marissa alexander could get out of jail on bond until the trial. >> what's interesting is she was prosecuted by angela corey's office, the same office that prosecuted and lost the george zimmerman case. has there been any reaction by them? >> yes. they've been very aggressive. they came out a with a statement and it reads, the defendant's conviction was reversed on a legal technicality. the first district court of appeal found that florida's supreme court jury instructions were wrong. we are gratified that the court affirmed the defendant's "stand your ground" ruling. this means the defendant will not have another stand your ground hearing. the case will be back in circuit court in the fourth judicial circuit at the appropriate time. one final thing. marisa alexandra has come out with a statement. her lawyers say she is static
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and thankful and wants to see her family. >> gary tuchman, thank you very much. >> human remains found in the costa concordia after that ship was capsized, hitting rocks and killing 32 people. another note, passengers 3,500 feet above at least one of the pilots asleep in the cockpit. new information on the airbus when we continue. expedia, find yours. [ jen garner ] what skincare brand is so effective... so trusted... so clinically proven dermatologists recommend it twice as much
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when the "costa concordia" capsized after hitting rocks a off the coast of italy in 2012, 32 people died. two of the victims' bodies have never been found. now human remains have been found in the wreckage which divers will try to recover. engineers only righted the ship last week after it was on its side for 20 months. barbie nadeau has more. she has the latest. these remains, barbie, what do we know about them? >> well, these aren't bodies. these are just bones and fragments of bones found in an area that was found previously inaccessible because the ship was lying on its side on these two underwater mountaintops until they righted it last week. the salvage operators sort of pinpointed the areas where they
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thought they would have the best success finds the remains and that's where they began diving. they don't know if these are the remains of both of the people, a 50-year-old sicilian woman and an indian waiter. there's nothing identifiable at this point. they'll need to use dna to find out if those are, in fact, the two missing victims. >> captain of the ship, his trial continued on monday. he is arguing that he's a hero, that he saved 4,000 people, right? >> that's right. there were 4,229 people on that ship. 32 people died. he said he's not the villain, he's the hero because so many people lived, but, of course, he is also being charged with abandoning ship. he sort of, as he said, fell into a lifeboat the night of the accident and he was on ground on the island of giglio. before several thousand of passengers were on that island. it remains to be seen and this is what the prosecutors are trying to prove, that he was not
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actually involved in the evacuation of the passengers, therefore, he's culpable of the deaths that occurred. >> he's actually saying he fell into a lifeboat? >> reporter: that right. he said he fell into a lifeboat during the chaos of the night. he coincidently had his laptop computer so it's a little bit argued about how that dynamic could have played out. them he said he couldn't get back on the ship. there was plenty of conversation that was taped between the port authority and the captain when he was on land. port authority saying get back on ship, get back on ship and the captain is arguing, i can't. it's on its side. you can't crawl up the side of a ship when it's in that position. but at the end of the day, you know, he's the captain. he should have been able to convince somebody to put him back on the ship. there were plenty of others getting on the ship to try to save passengers and get them off. the captain wasn't one of them, according to what we are hearing. >> fell into a lifeboat with his laptop. i've never heard of that. barbie nadeau, thank you very much. there's a lot more tonight. isha is here with the "360 bulletin."
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authorities won't say who retrieved his body or the results of the autopsy. the gunman killed 12 people in a shooting rampage earlier this month. jury deliberations starting in the michael jackson wrongful death trial. the jury must decide if the concert promoter aeg live is liable for michael jackie's 2009 overdose death. conrad murray was convicted in the criminal trial. the jackson family seeking up to $2 billion in damages. and the uk authorities say pilots snoozed in a cockpit in a 300-passenger airliner like this one while cruising 30,000 feet to britain. however, they have no evidence that both pilots were asleep at the same time. anderson is back next with "the ridiculist." you can part a crowd, without saying a word... if you have yet to master the quiet sneeze...
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time now for "the ridiculist." tonight i want to introduce to you a main for a way you will ever feel about facial hair. mr. incredibeard posts pictures every other monday. he has a whole stash of them. as you can see, he is sort of a pursued picasso working primarily in palmade and hairspray. the designs are always impressive, sometimes sleek, sometimes gratifying, geometric whimsey. some of them have practical applications as well.
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take for instance this one called, you guessed it, beard pong. how about a beard full of beard moodles? noodles? i find this disgusting. you can find incredibeard on facebook, instagram, youtube. >> this is how you make a bowl of raman full of beard. got my chopsticks, got my ramen, i need something else. what do i put in it? a-ha. sauce. oh, yeah. >> so disgusting! i don't know why i find that so repulsive! maybe hairy noodles and hot sauce is not your thing. it's not my thing. how about fast food instructional as well. >> this is how you eat hands-free fast food. oh, my gosh, it's so good. that's so good.
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