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hello, i'm wolf blitzer in washington. president obama has just spoken out about a potential government shutdown. he's been meeting in the oval office with the israeli prime minister. listen to what he says about a shutdown. >> the bottom line is that the senate has passed a bill that keeps the government open, does not have a lot of extraneous issues to it, that allows us then to negotiate a longer term budget and address a range of other issues. but insures we're not shutting down the government and not shutting down the economy at a time when a lot of families out there are just getting some traction and digging themselves out of the hole we've had as a consequence of the financial crisis. i've said before, congress has two responsibilities.

pass a budget, pays bills. and i am not only open to but eager to have negotiations around a long-term budget that makes sure that we're investing in middle class families, helping the economy grow, giving people who are working hard a leg up, and greater security and stability and deals with some of our long-term challenges in terms of debt and deficits. but the only way to do that is for everybody to sit down in good faith without threatening to harm women and veterans and children with a government shutdown and certainly we can't have any kind of meaningful negotiations under the cloud of potential default, the first in u.s. history. there's not a world leader, if you took a poll, who would say

that it would be responsible or consistent with america's leadership in the world for us not to pay our bills. we are the foundation of the world economy and the world financial system. and our currency is the reserve currency of the world. we don't mess with that. and we certainly don't allow domestic policy differences on issues that are unrelated to the budget to endanger not only our economy but the world economy. so you know, i suspect that i will be speaking to the leaders today, tomorrow and the next day. but there's a pretty straightforward solution to this. if you set aside the short-term politics and you look at the

long-term here, what it simply requires is everybody to act responsibly and do what's right for the american people. all right? thank you very much, everybody. >> all right. so there you hear the president making a pitch to keep the government operating, fully operating passing a simple resolution without any attachments, nothing to do with obama care. keep the government operating. ball is now in the senate's court then it will go back to the house of representatives. it's now less than 11 hours and counting till the government at least partially would shutdown. next hour the senate starts the debate on the new house bill aimed at avoiding the shutdown. it's a bill the house knew would fail in the senate, and that the president promised to veto calling for a one-year delay on obama care. the pawns in this game right now, the american people. that includes the 783,000 government workers who were expected to be furloughed if this goes past midnight tonight.

then there are all those planning to go to national parks, other national historic sites. here's who the american people think would be responsible for any partial government shutdown. 46% blame republicans in congress. 36% blame the president. meanwhile, this is what we've been hearing this morning as the senate prepares to open for business. >> the house has done its work. we passed a bill on saturday night, sent it to the united states senate that would delay obama care for one year and would eliminate permanently the medical device tax that is costing us tens of thousands of jobs that are being shipped overseas. senate decided not to work yesterday. well, my goodness. if there's such an emergency, where are they? >> i heard the speaker say that the house has done its work by delaying obama care. i'd like to remind the speaker and all my colleagues on the gop side that the work that has to be done is to pass a budget to keep the government open.

the issue of obama care is over. it was resolved in the last presidential election when the president was re-elected and said that he was going to continue with it. >> there's so much potential for bipartisan efforts to advance this legislation in the senate. but senator reid needs to bring up the proposal and adopt an attitude that is broader than our way or the highway. there's time left for us to work together. the senate needs to hustle. >> the republicans want the administration to believe that they now want only a delay. well, why don't they state that forthrightly and say they are now for the affordable health care act but they want to delay it because of certain issues and bring them forward? >> i'll show you some interesting numbers right now. september 20th, the house passed its spending bill with no funding for obama care. that vote was 230-189. pretty much a straight party vote with two democrats, one republican switching sides. early sunday morning, the house

voted again. it was almost identical, 2230, 189. this time two democrats and two republicans passing sides. this week the senate passed its version also straight along party lines funding obama care. dana bash is standing by up on capitol hill. how is today's senate action different from what we saw last week? i expect we'll see the same thing come out of the senate in the next few hours. >> that's exactly right. it's going to be the same when you're talking about the outcome, it will be different with regard to how long it's going to take. we expect if senate democratic leadership sources are correct in their assessment, we expect that they're likely to reject this in warp speed. they're coming into the senate which is down behind me in the capitol in less than an hour. and we're told that by 2:30 eastern, so an hour and a half from now they're likely to reject what the house sent over after midnight on saturday night and the ball is right back in the house's court, wolf.

>> so what happens when it gets back to the house of representatives what they call this clean continuing resolution fully funding the government at least for a few more weeks? what does the house of representatives do then facing either continue to link it to obama care or pass some legislation keeping the government fully operational? >> well, wolf, house republicans are going to meet in less than an lawyer at 2:00 eastern to decide that. i'm told by republican sources their leading option isn't to send a clean bill but add another obama health care related issue on it. i have house republican lawmaker, charlie dent who disagrees with that, disagrees with the way that his party has been doing this, at least right now. congressman, tell me what you want to see your fellow republicans do when they get this bill which is to fund the government without any strings attached. do you think you should just pass that? >> at this point, the hourglass is nearly empty.

now that we've sent over two volleys to the u.s. senate and they rejected both, it's imperative we fund the government. that's the best we can hope for right now. i would certainly discourage the republican leadership from launching another volley back over to the senate because it will likely result in the same outcome. which is they will reject it and send it. sooner or later we have to pass a clean resolution to fund the government before the end of the day. i believe the votes are there to do it. it will be a bipartisan vote. plenty of democrats and republicans would be willing to fund the government in that manner. >> you all are meeting in about 50 minutes. you're going to stand up in your husband republican caucus and make this argument enough already, let's pass a clean bill and keep the government running. >> i made a number of speeches in front of our conference over the past few weeks on this issue. i intend to be vocal again and say just that, that the tactics employed up to this point i suspect it would not be

successful. i voted to repeal, delay, defund obama care. i have all sorts of problems with the law. i realize it's not going to be changed between now and the end of the day. it's imperative to get on with the business of governing. there are probably 190 members of the house republican conference who have a very sense of governance. we have a few dozen who don't have that same sense of governance. we have to get on with the business, pass a bipartisan bill and keep the government running >> you know full well this is likely the tactic that john boehner would like to take. he understands the perils of the government shutting down but he has a very vocal conservative wing who will consider this raising the white flag and surrendering. isn't that a likely scenario he could be in trouble if he goes your way. >> i suspect there are close to 200 members of the conference who want to see a clean cr passed. i'm not saying there had be 200 voting for it, but certainly there are that many who want to

see it happen. there are many hoping yes, and will vote no. we've seen this before on the fiscal cliff situation, sandy, violence against women's act. a number of members have put up the necessary governing votes. you see that will happen again today. i can't predict how many but i'm sure it will secure passage. >> if the government does shut down, you believe it's house republicans' fault? >> well, not going to say it's the house republicans fault but i suspect we'll be blamed regardless of whose fault it is. it will look bad on everyone in washington if the government shuts down. i suspect the republicans will be more blamed than the democrats will. i'm urging colleagues a government shutdown is not in the american people's interest can it's not in our troops interests, it's certainly in no one's interests. get on with the business of governing and get it down. we'll be able to debate the issues again over the next few weeks. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it. wolf, i should make the point this is a counter argument.

i've talked to people privately who say what the congressman said. i saw an interview. it's interesting to hear this. we've heard so much about the intransigence of house republicans. here's one saying let's just pass a clean bill and move on. >> the speaker has to make the decision, will he allow that resolution to come up for an up or down vote, a clean senate passed piece of legislation. what's the answer? is john boehner going to do that. >>. >> we don't know. the congressman will go into a meeting that house republicans are have in 45 minutes. he just told us he's going to make the argument enough is enough. pass a clean bill. he's going to see whether or not john boehner is willing to do that or if he's going to going at least their initial plans are the other way which is to try one more time to send the senate something that deals with obama care. the leading option is to delay the individual mandate. there's definitely a split in

the republican caucus. that's not new but it sounds like the congressman is trying to be more active in getting people to put their money where their mouth is and say enough already and they should vote on a clean bill. >> let's see what happens the next few hours will be critical. thank you. since this wouldn't be a complete shutdown of the federal government, there's still some confusion what services would be available and what wouldn't be available. christine romans is joining us to better appreciate what's going on. give us some of the bakes. >> i don't appreciate any of this going on, i'll be quite honest with you. but let's take a look what you would feel first if we had this partial government shutdown, wolf. first, it would be the national parks. it would be zoos. it would be basically anything that's free would probably be closed, quite frankly. many museums, as well, federal museums, federal offices and programs closed. more than 700,000, almost 00,000 people sent home without pay.

what is open? federal courts can be open for about ten days. there's enough funding. passports are now the largely funded by fees. oh passport offices would remain open but passport offices in federal buildings might be shut. be careful where you're going to get a passport renewed. air traffic control, border protection, key elements of the department defense, the power grid would still be maintained. the fha has jou updated contingency planning and will still be endorsing some mortgages for now at least during a shutdown. that's a change from the fha on the mortgage front. social security checks, mandatory. medicare, medicaid mandatory. food stamps and job benefits same thing. postal service will be open. a lot of day to day things will still happen. the social security checks, a lot of people have been saying until main street feels it,

they'll dismiss the thee at risks in washington as just that. by the time main street feels it, it could be when we're talking about not paying our bills come october 17th or later. that's when you wouldn't see that those checks in the mail for, say, social security or jobless benefits. . that would be a real problem. meantime, in terms of shutdown, of course, you still have to pay your taxes, wolf. and members of congress as we have pointed out over and over again, members of congress will still be paid. no question. >> they're essential government employees. that's why they'll get paid. thanks very much for that. for a full list of what would be open, what would be closed, you can check out our interactive page @cnn.com/interactive. we're standing by. the white house press briefing about to begin. we'll hear what jay carney has to say. also the top senior advisor to the president dan pfeiffer will

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differing opinions and i don't think any of us do. i think that but we have to get on with our work and make a decision. and this doesn't seem like that's what this is about. >> meanwhile, a game of chicken evetively is being played in washington. americans are weighing in with their opinions. according to this brand new cnn poll, 68% of americans think it will be a bad thing if the government shuts down even if for only a few days. check this out. the majority of americans think republicans and democrats in congress are acting like spoiled children and the president doesn't fare a lot better. let's bringing in our chief political analyst gloria borger. >> smart people. >> is there a way between now and midnight tonight to avoid this partial government shutdown? >> it looks less and less likely, but you have to pay an awful lot attention to house speaker john boehner. early on in this whole process before this even began said that

he did not envision shutting do you think the government as a possibility. that he wanted to make his stand on the president's health care plan on something else, not on shutting the government down. what's interesting is that john boehner was in the congress in the '90s when the government shut down. only 20% of house republicans were actually there when it occurred. so they don't have the kind of memory that john boehner has. the big question is, is he willing to do something eventually to avert a government shutdown without a majority of his own republicans? and as dana pointed out earlier, we don't know the answer to that question. >> our new poll that just came out, we just asked who would be more responsible for shutdown. 46% said republicans in congress, 36% said president obama, 13% said both. so the i guess that's nationally, but if you dig deeper into districts especially gerrymandered republican districts, it's very popular to

say shut the government down in order to destroy obama care. >> right. they're not going to have any problem. a majority of republicans, if you dig into our poll, a majority of republicans not just tea party republicans but republicans say you know, it would be okay to shut the government down. here's the problem for the republican party. independent voters don't want to shut the government down. so you want to retain your congressional majority, these republicans concerned about being primaried on the right, you give them this vote, this, would for you to keep your congressional majority, but wolf, if you want to win a presidential campaign, it's much, much more difficult for you because you're not going to gain those independent voters. >> dana, hold on for a minute. dan pfeiffer, the senior visor to the president is joining us from the white house right now. dan, thanks very much for coming in. is there any area that the president is willing to compromise at this late stage, at this late hour in order to give the republicans in the house of representatives at

least something, maybe even symbolic in order to avoid a government shutdown? >> well, no, wolf, because all the president and senate democrats are asking for is to keep the government funded for another six weeks, two months at the current level so we can work on a larger budget agreement. and so what the republicans want is to extract ideological concession in order to save face with the tea party to keep the government open for two months. what do they want interest two months? full repeal of obama care? overturn roe v. wade, install mitt romney as president? at some point we have to bring the hostage taking and bringsmanship to an end. >> the other day you were suggesting it was almost like terrorism. those where is strong words. i wonder if you wanted to correct the record or give us an explanation of what you mean by that. >> sure. that comment struck a nerve with some. but that's not my metaphor, it's

the metaphor of republicans themselves. senator mcconnell said two years ago the global economy was a hostage worth taking. other republicans said on the record they weral to blow up the economy and use that as leverage to get what they want. i was trying to describe the republican position of give us we're going to give you demands. give us what you want or we're going to try to cause america to default for the first time ever and do great damage to our economy. i don't know how else you want to describe their position. that is essentially what it is and they're not shy about it. >> a lot of people have raised this and i asked my twitter followers what they would ask you. a lot of people pointed out the administration already has delayed implementing various parts of the affordable care act, obama care as it's known. why not delay a little bit more, get it ready? there have been last-minute glitches even as we know the last few days. why not take some of those steps in order to make sure the government as a whole doesn't

shut down? >> well, wolf, first i'm sure you have excellent health karat cnn. i'm fortunate to the have the good health karat the white house. millions of americans have waited years and years to have access. they lived every day in fear of being one disease away from bankruptcy. they have foregone health care they needed because they couldn't afford it. starting tomorrow, they have a chance to can assess that. why should we delay that process just so the tea party republicans can finish the grieving process over the 2012 election? it's not fair to ask them to wait to get the health care they deserve. >> if you've delayed it for by big business, why not delay it for average folks out there, as well? >> because first that would be denying millions of americans, many of whom live in the districts of these republicans forcing the shutdown, denying them access to health care. it's important to accurately describe not sort of regurgitate the republican talking point but describe when you're talking about the business delay.

98% of businesses affected by the law, already provide health care. this is simply the reporting requirements for 2% of businesses. that is not a reason to ask americans who have gone without health care to are so long to go even longer. >> why was the president at a critical moment like this with almost 00,000 federal employees about to to be furloughed playing golf over the weekend, not engaging in talks with the republican leadership in the house and senate? why hasn't he been more actively engaged the way reagan used to be engaged with tip o'neill? as far as the president has not been reaping out to republican leadership to avert this government shutdown. >> well, first, i think it does a disservice to the sort of bipartisan negotiations that tip o'neill engaged in the sort of brinksmanship happening right now is anything like that at all.

the problem is not democrats and republicans disagreeing. there are majorities in the house and senate who today would vote to pass a bill that would keep the government open without any sort of concession or demand from the republicans about obama care. that could happen now. the problem is not democrats and republicans. it's republicans and republicans. disagreeing over core issues. right now, 60 to 70 house republicans are preventing speaker boehner from putting a bill on the ploor that would cause all of this problem to go away. that's a decision he has to make. speaker boehner has to decide if he's going to shutdown the government to try to rerun the 2012 election. it's a chos he has to make. >> no delay at all on the individual mandate in exchange for any concession from the republicans. >> the republicans have two jobs. pass a budget, pay the bills. you do not get to extract try to pass ideological positions that you cannot win in an election or pass through congress on their

own by threatening shutdown of the government or of the economy. that's essentially their position. >> it's a photo op in the oval office with the prime minister of israel. the president said he'll be speaking with the leaders over the next day or two. any dialogue plarned right now? anything expected today? >> you can expect as you said, he'll be speaking to them, i think he said today, tomorrow and the next day. >> including the speaker of the house jane boehner. >> i'm confident he will be part of that list. >> dan pfeiffer, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. >> playing the blame game as the clock ticks down. we'll talk to half of the crossfire crew, newt gingrich and van jones. they are here. we'll ask them, who is going to get tagged with blame if the government puts out a closed sign and if be a repeat of the last time that happened in '95, '96. ♪ [ male announcer ] 1.21 gigawatts.

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certainly a lot of blame to go around now in washington as we edge closer to a potential government shutdown. you can see the countdown clock on your screen. the house and senate certainly pointing fingers at each other. while republicans of both cha r chambers pointing fingers at the president. joining us now, van jones and newt gingrich are here. you lived through this, newt gingrich, be what, is in '95 and '96. you remember what happened then. it was not pretty for a lot of republicans and it helped propel bill clinton to his re-election in '96. >> i don't believe that. >> you lost seats in the midterm elections in '96. >> we picked up two senate seats, lost a couple of house seats. nate silver has gone back and looked at all the data and can't find any significant change. >> but the polling numbers for president clinton were down and he did much better after the. >> they were actually falling during the shutdown.

>> but after the shutdown, he went on to easily get re-elected. >> we were the first re-elected majority since 1928. >> for republicans. >> i think. >> with a smaller number of seats than you had. >> six fewer while we gained two in the senate. here's the key thing which nobody in the current generation remembers. there were 12 shutdowns under tip o'neill. suddenly it was all right for democrats to get involved in shutdowns, it was part of how they the negotiating process, part of how they dealt with carter and reagan and part of the legislative process of the united states. it wasn't a gigantic crisis. it's not a gigantic crisis right now. there's a fundamental difference. the president believes he can run a bluff and play golf and do nothing but attack republicans. once the government closes, the president's going to discover that he's the head of the government. he has a real obligation to negotiate. >> which is a fair point. he's not negotiating. you heard dan pfeiffer say he's not making any concessions

whatsoever. >> why should he? you're talking about a -- about a two-month. >> 800,000 federal employees are about to lose their paychecks. >> the congress can pass that right now by passing a clean resolution. it's not a discontinuing resolution for obama care. they interjected this. the president is -- why for a two-month, think what they're asking for a two-month continuing resolution throw away your key program. we'll be in the same am situation two months from now. you can't negotiate with hostages. boehner is a hostage of the tea party. you can't negotiate with the hostage or the hostage taker. >> it is the natural process for the congress to say to the president we will not give you money unless we reach an agreement. >> there's a majority of people in congress who would pass the continuing resolution. what's happening is the tea party tail is wagging the republican party dog. >> jay carney is answering some

questions at the briefing. let's listen in a little bit. >> tell us what the president just said about having conversations with people on the hill. does that include speaker boehner, and is he making any progress. >> the president said you can expect he will be having conversations with leaders on the hill as he has in the past. and i assume that would include the speaker of the house. the point i think though is that we are at a moment where the house of representatives has to decide. and the speaker of the house is the leader of the house and the leader of house republicans must decide whether roughly 60 members of his caucus, the tea party faction, will dictate to the american people whether the government will shutdown because they have not been able to achieve through normal means their ideological agenda, which

is to repeal and do away with in some manner or other the affordable care act. the irony, of course, being that tomorrow, enrollment begins in the affordable care act and millions of americans for whom access to affordable insurance has been but a dream, there be the opportunity to enroll in the affordable care act through the exchanges and the marketplaces and receive, come january 1st, affordable health insurance for the first time. and that's going to happen. >> all right. so you get the point. the president is apparently willing to negotiate. at least talk with the republicans. you're smiling and smirking or wa what? >> this is pathetic. the president of the united states can talk to putin and negotiate with assad. a pleasant call with the president of iran. he can find it in his heart to sit down with the chosen leader

of the u.s. house, picked by the american people in a process which has been going on for 200 some years and the president is bob having a conversation with the speaker? this is crazy. >> i tell you what's crazy. what's crazy is for us to be in a situation where both the full faith and credit of the country is going to be threatened in a couple weeks. the government will be shut down all over a program that comes from the heritage foundation, that was approved by mitt romney, that's a conservative market-based program obama care. i think what's happened is that the republicans got so worked up attacking this program that now the kindergartenerner's have taken over the classroom. boehner okay no longer control his own caucus. the hastert rule is not in the constitution. a majority of people in cog res would vote for this right now and move on. >> this is divided government. the republicans do control the house. >> but there's a majority of people in the house who would vote for a clean resolution right now. the hastert rule that says only

a majority of republicans that's not in the constitution. we could get this done tomorrow. >> will the speaker allow that up or down vote on a clean resolution? it probably would get 218 so. >> the speaker is going to do what the republican conference ultimately concludes in the meetings. this is not new. we have had fights on debt ceilings. we have had fights on continuing can resolutions. as i said, there were 12 shutdowns under tip o'neill. the democrats. so this is not new. it is not inappropriate. and frankly, if there are kindergarteners around they're as much in the white house as anywhere else in the city. >> you guys will be back later in "the situation room." back on crossfire" at 6:30 p.m. eastern. we have a lot more to talk about. thanks very much. one of the things i want to talk to you about as well as the difference between bill clinton in '95, '96 dealing with you as speaker supposed to president obama dealing with john boehner in this current crisis. we'll talk about that later today. just ahead, we're going to

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welcome back. the senate expected to meet at the top of the hour and to consider a bill passed by the republican-controlled house that would delay obama care for a year, but the senate's democratic leadership has consistently said it would reject tying the spending resolution to obama care. that means we could be only hours away from a partial government shutdown. let's bring in the house republican congressman sean duffy of wisconsin joining us right now. thanks very much for coming in. >> thanks for having me. offer chief congressional correspondent dana bash spoke with your republican colleague from pennsylvania charlie dent

who says at this stage, if the senate sends back what's called a clean continuing resolutioning to keep the government operating after midnight tonight, the speaker should allow it to come up for an up or down vote. he thinks well more than 218 members, democrats and republicans would support it. there would be no government shutdown. are you with congressman charlie dent on that? >> in about 20 minutes, our house conference will get together and have a conversation about what the best strategy is moving toward. how we keep the fight up on obama care but also how we keep the government open. what we're going to do in our conference is have an open dialogue with people who have a lot of different opinions about how we should move forward. what we're doing is exactly what our leaders in government should be doing. barack obama, harry reid, are john boehner should be sitting down talking about their differences just like we'll do in our house conference. listen, obama out golfing, harry

reid has been gone for 36 hours. you don't get resolution unless people sit at the table, work together and try to bridge divides in policy and ideology. >> are you going to speak out during ta republican meeting that's about to begin? what you say to your fellow republicans? >> listen, i think many of us want to keep the fight going on obama care. as i look back to my home district, my constituents don't have big lobbyists in washington, d.c. all they have is me. i keep getting phone calls yesterday, today, about the pains obama care for many of them. a lot of them are losing jobs. these are middle class to lower income earners who are going from full time to part time jobs. they're looking at health care premiums that haven't going down. those premiums are going up. they want me to fight this fight. but they also want meet to keep the government open. so again, we're going to have a dialogue internally how we can find the sweet spot where we can get the president to come to the

table and hopefully keep the government open. but also delay this by. the president delayed the employer mandate. all we're asking for him to do for the american people what he's done for the bigger businesses, give them too a delay. >> he says he's not going to do that. i guess dilemma you will face, do you keep the government operating or stand on your principle and try to link the spending bill to defunding or delaying or doing -- making significant changes to obama care? that's a serious dilemma you and your fellow republicans will face. do you have any idea how the speaker might deal with this? i know you're going to have a discussion on it now. do you think it's possible the speaker would allow the senate language that comes back in the next few hours to come up for a vote on the house floor? >> i don't know that he will allow that. but there's also an opportunity maybe we'll have a week extension of funding so we have more time to have this

conversation. there there are a number of different opportunities that we have. but i think what the speaker has learned over the last two and a half years that we've been in the majority is to be successful as a speaker, you have to listen to your conference. i think he'll do that today. and we've gotten to know each other pretty well. we have no problems sharing opinions. i want to leave you with this, we want to keep the government funded and operational but keep the fight up on obama care. >> let me be precise. would you allow a week-long extension to go forward, a clean continuing resolution, no links to obama karat least for a week in order to avoid government shutdown? >> i would consider that. that's definitely an option we have. >> all right. that's encouraging. at least it would avoid a government shutdown maybe for a week. cooler heads could prevail over the course of the next week. sean duffy, thanks very much for coming from. the markets really don't like the threats of a shutdown.

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i think it's about time we spend way too much money. i think obama care is a total disaster. i think it needs to be defunded so whatever it takes to do that, i'm for it. >> it's a shame. they behave worse than my own kids behave. they can't just sit down, come to an agreement about something and work it out. >> you saw there patience wearing thin for some people. that might be said for investors. the threat of a shutdown, taking its toll apparently on the markets. the dow jones industrials down about 81 points right now. that also follows losses most of last week. zain asher is joining us now at the new york stock exchange. zain, we're seeing an impact on markets today. but what's the concern for the marketed and the economy over the medium and longer term. >> listen, the market is used to stale mates in washington. traders say this one might actually have a more aggressive impact on stocks because the shutdown or the potential

shutdown i should say is really only one piece of the puzzle. the debt ceiling is on the horizon and that will have a much bigger impact. you can only imagine the ramifications. we've seen cuts in spending. put a huge dent in gdp, business confidence, that kind of thing. the good news if you can call it that, the market does have a little bit of wiggle room. a few weeks ago we were at record highs in the s&p 500. the s&p is up more than 15% this year. there is some degree of wiggle room. wolf? >> we know on friday morning they'll have the new jobs report out for september. how is that likely to play as far as the markets are concerned? is. >> so we are not entirely sure if we are going to have a jobs report if the government shuts down. the government doesn't deem economic reports as essential. the bureau of labor statistics said if the government shuts down, it won't be updating its website and also the operations

will stop. on the other hand, since the data has probably already been collected, there is a chance the jobs report may still come out if the white house does authorize that. there is so much uncertainty right now. wolf? >> ten hours to go before there is a from chemical weapons in syria to the fear of nuclear weapons in iran, they may be feeling a bit insecure this day. israel's prime minister is now at the white house. we'll find out what he and the president have been talking about. >> also, aaron david miller, a former middle east negotiator, is standing by with his perspective. he ancient pyramids were actually a mistake?

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risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. shutdown only a few hours away. there's other important business going on at the white house. president obama is hosting the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu. the last time they met was in march in jerusalem, despite all the public smiles, the two leaders do not necessarily see eye to eye on critically important issues. two years ago, the israeli leader famously chastised obama for going back to the orders with mutually agreed modifications, a starting point in negotiations with the palestinians. >> i think for there to be peace, the palestinians will have to accept some basic realities. the first is that while israel is prepared to make generous

compromises for peace, it cannot go back to the 1967 lines. because these lines are indefensible. because they don't take into account certain changes that have taken place on the ground, demographic changes that have taken place over the last 44 years. >> that was two years ago, but listen to what the prime minister said today in the oval office with the president. >> the bottom line, again, is that iran fully dismantled its military nuclear program. in this regard, i want to express my appreciation to you for the enormous work that's been done to have a sanctions regime in place. >> the middle east expert aaron david miller is the vice president for new initiatives and a distinguished scholar at

the woodrow wilson center for scholars in washington. clearly, there's a difference in the nuance tone between the prime minister and president when it comes to a dialogue with iran. >> by and large, the end game is the same. both want to see dismantling of the program. the real question is when you come down to the details. centrifuges, how much enriched uranium will the iranians be able to possess, what do they do with the steakpile they have? these are the things that may separate the parties, but the bottom line, either they get a deal that's good for israel and the u.s., a two for, or no deal. >> he doesn't trust them as long as they're continuing from his perspective to develop some sort of nuclear bomb. >> and i don't think the president trusts it either. the president's marger for error is pretty reduced.

the government, if it continues to operate, has tremendous unanimity on not trusting the iranians. if the president wants a deal with iran, and a management of the syrian problem, he's going to have to find a way to work with the prime minister. next year, the longest serving prime minister in the state. >> benjamin netanyahu. >> describe the relationship. it was testy. it seems to have in proved. >> it has. i have watched half a dozen secretaries of state and the secretary react. this was clearly the most dysfunctional. he didn't understand what it was like for a small country to live in a dangerous neighborhood, and the president, i thought, thinks he was a conman. but the united states made a decision that the relations with -- >> you think there's mutual

trust between the leader snz. >> there's a willingness to give the other the willing of the doubt, and dhthey're in a commo effort. if both are going to find a way to deal with the critical issues facing both of their national security structures, they're going to have to find a way to work together and i suspect they will. >> do you think there's any dinchs as far as syria is concerned between prime minister netanyahu and president obama? >> i don't. i think the israelis have drawn their own red lines, which they'll enforce. not falling into the hands of hezbollah. no shooting across the golan heights. those are the red lines, and they have acted four or five times this year to enforce them. i think this relationship is much improved. there's a lot of tension here because benjamin netanyahu has seen his own analysis and public narrative undermined by the smiling how hahny. >> i met with mahmoud abbas last

week, and i was impressed he's willing to make some major concessions. he's willing, at least the peace process john kerry the secretary of state has embarked on, i walked away from the meeting where had with him encouraged there was a hope, not necessarily a guarantee, but a significant hope that potentially the israelis and palestinians might be able to work out a deal. >> i have been annoyingly negative on this for a long time, but i think john kerry heard something from netanyahu and abbas which they can't say to one another and they can't say privately which inspires some measure of hope on borders and security, the two most tractable issues of the four or five that constitute the palestinian conflict, maybe there's room for conflict. >> i'm much more encouraged. >> nobody lost money betting against israeli peace. >> let's hope there's something and john kerry can one day get a nobel peace prize between makingpies. >> the president already has

one, i agree. >> let's see if john kerry can get one. aaron miller. >> let's get back to the stop story. want to leave you with this thought. i was cnn's white house correspondent in 1995 and 1996 back when there was the last government shutdown. check this out from 1995. >> washington historically has been a deadline driven down, with thanksgiving next week and people anxious to get ready for the holiday, many administration officials believe there will have to be a deal by then. >> 17, 18 years ago. that first government shutdown in november of '85 lasts only five days. the second in december of '95 and '96, lasted longer, more than 20 days. eventually, congress and president bill clinton got their act together. everyone went back to work. and it was relatively smooth sailing. there was some progress on key issues that were made. the economy was