it's a slap in his family's face. my mom suffered and suffered through the trial. >> turns out his fiancee had made this wedding request during the trial and, incredibly, the judge agreed to it. and not only that, his lawyer said the judge even made cake for the newlyweds. how about that. i'm brooke baldwin. thanks for being with me. live on capitol hill, "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. 40 hours into this government shutdown and our leaders are finally something that apparently didn't occur to them until now -- talking to each other. i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." in the absence of actual governing, the four top leaders in congress will meet with the president shortly. is it too much to fantasize about padlocking the door until they all solve this problem? also, after defeating hitler, mussolini, these veterans won't let some red tape around their memorial stop them. of course the lawmakers who helped bring us to the shutdown

also tried to turn today's events into a photo-op. and the pop culture lead, he can turn the most tech calgary jargon into heart-pounding thrills. we'll have his books, movies and video games but today we lost author tom clancy. good afternoon, everyone. i'm jake tapper. welcome to "the lead." coming to you again today from the capitol in washington, d.c., where we will begin with the national lead. five will enter, and all five will leave because d.c. has not yet devolved into a thunder dome-type situation, though give it time. not long from now, president obama, the four top leaders in congress will be in the same room at the same time talking about the same thing. it's a radical idea, i know. they must come to some sort of agreement to reopen the government which partially shut down 40 hours ago, but the white house says do not mistake this for a negotiation. >> no, the president is not going to sit down and start asking for puts and takes. . he's not going to engage in that

kind of negotiation. >> to quote michael corleone -- my offer is this -- nothing. this hinges on temporary spending. house republican have tried several times to defund, delay, or dismantle obama care by attaching provision after provision to the spending bills they've sent to the senate. democrats, of course, have knocked them all down. now the house gop has a new tactic trying to pass individual bills that will fund the government one piece at a time. >> we ought to be working as hard as we can to open up the government in all the areas we agree on. we hope that our democratic colleagues will stop with the games and join us in trying to relieve the pain. >> democrats, of course, say it's the republicans who are playing games. three of the gop's individual bills failed last night because they required a two-thirds vote because of har lameparliamentar.

they'll try another round of rules for a simple majority, including one to restore funding to the national institutes of health which has started turning away some of the 200 patients it gets every week, including several children suffering from cancer for their clinical trials. but the white house has threatened to veto any piecemeal approach to funding the government and senate democrats are not on board with the gop idea either. dana bash asked senate majority leader harry reid about this earlier. take a look at this. >> what right do they have to pick and choose what part of government's going to be funded? it's obvious what's going on here. you talk about reckless and irresponsible. wow. what this is all about is obama care. they are obsessed. i don't know what other word i can use. i don't know what other word i can use. they are obsessed with this obama care thing. it's working now and it will continue to work and people will love it even more than they do now by far. so they have no right to pick

and choose. >> but if you can help one child who has cancer why wouldn't you do it? >> listen -- >> why pit one against the other? >> why would we want to do that? i have 1,100 people at nellis air force base that are sitting home. they have a few problems of their own. this is -- to have someone of your intelligence suggest such a thing is irresponsible. >> i'm just asking. >> and we are joined right now by chiongressional corresponden dana bash, the woman of that intelligence heretofore mentioned. dana, senator reid didn't seem to care for your question. >> really? what gave you that idea, jake. look, i've covered harry reid for a very long time. that is sort of classic reid and it's kind of -- the kind of response that sometimes gives his staffers and those who are here and those who have been here before a little bit of heartburn. but i think big picture, what you are seeing is democrats

trying to stay on message, trying to stay firm with their insistence that they will not pass anything except for one big bill that funds the entire government and nothing else. and the reason is obvious because they know once they agree to chip away at some of those agencies, even those that many people care about, then they are giving up some of their leverage. part of the reason why i asked him that question is because he says we don't pick and choose. well, they already did in some sense pick and choose in that congress passed a bill, the president signed it into law, making sure that men and women of the military get their salaries. so they are, you know, playing some favorites re, and that's just the reality. >> it's interesting because that was a republican tactic. let's pass this bill to fund the military. and that could have been the moment where harry reid and president obama said you don't get to pick and choose. but they were -- to be honest, they blinked because they didn't want to be accused of being

anti-military and they wanted these troops who are already fairly poorly paid to be paid. they wanted them to get their checks. as you say, not the first time they would have done that. >> reporter: absolutely. not at all. i just interviewed one democrat who said, well, that was before they -- the government actually shut down and they didn't even think there was a chance it was going to shut down. look, the bottom line here is everybody is engaged in this game. you can see where this is going, which is effectively nowhere unless this meeting in an hour and a half at the white house really does produce something more than what people going into this meeting expect, which is not a whole lot. >> all right. dana bash, thanks so much. now i want to bring in congressman peter roskin from illinois, chief deputy whip. thanks for being here. you and then state senator obama knew each other. you were friendly colleagues in the state senate in illinois. you weren't part of the group that played cards with him, but

you know him pretty well. is he bluffing when he says he's not going to put anything on the table? this is about you and your republican colleagues doing your job, funding the government, raising the debt ceiling and you're not going to get a concession out of me for not blowing up the economy. >> i think president obama is going to end up negotiating. i think he's on an island that will be more and more flooded. it's too shrill and not very obama-like to say i'm not going to negotiate. he ghoeshed on the debt ceiling, jake, in the past, two times, you know, one time the sequester resulted, one time no budget, no pay resulted coming out of the senate. so i think he may recharacterize, he may redefine, but in the common understanding from two people that know what the word "negotiate" means, he will negotiate. >> how do you respond to the polls that show that overwhelmingly the public disapproves of this tactic that you and your fellow house republicans are doing and even if they have mixed feelings or negative feelings about obama

care they do not feel this is the right way to do it and they disapprove? i mean, you and your party are constantly talking about the polls showing that the american people are not pro obama care, which we can quibble about polls and dive into that at a different time, but the polls show they don't like what you're doing here with the government shutdown. >> to that point, there's no celebration in this shutdown. and in fact the house republican position and the bill that was is sent over, the last bill that was really sent over to the senate, said, look, let's fund the government and let's do two other things. let's make sure members of congress are not treated as a special class outside of obama care and get a subsidy that the rest of america doesn't get, and the second thing is the same delay that big business got, let's make sure that individuals get that same delay under obama care. those are two very reasonable things. and so i think most -- >> so you know speaker boehner was fighting against the thing about treating congress like the rest of the country, because -- and you can read "the national

review," which has a great story about this, and this is a demagogue story, staffers here have no choice but to go into obama care because of what congress has done, and normally what businesses do is provide a stipend so that these individuals, some of whom i'm sure on your staff make $30,000 a year need help buying health insurance, but now because of either -- for whatever reason, you're denying them the ability to get a stipend so they can pay for insurance. if you make $30,000 a year, you can't afford to buy health insurance. >> what's the root cause of all of this consternation? obama care. that is exactly what is driving this -- >> high rate of health care. >> it's obama care. that is what has caused this to be such a kcrescendo. we've seen story after story after story, rollout has failed, the cost in illinois is more than it was proposed to be. this is not -- >> how can you say the rollout failed? it happened yesterday. >> it's failing. other products, other times when you roll things out, think about the expectations. we were told by the president of

the united states that two things were going to happen. if you like your doctor you get to keep him. that's not true. >> i'm not going to quibble with you on that one. >> $2,500 per year was going to come down per family. that's not true. so my point is obama care is related to spending. that's why this whole thing is conjoined. here's where the opportunity is. i think president obama today could do something very helpful. he says, look, let's not lurch from crisis to crisis. let's deal with the debt ceiling. let's deal with it all, and let's deal with it right now. and i'm willing to put entitlements on the table. if he does that, he can pirouette and move the country i think in a direction that the country desperately wants to move. >> let's talk about the debt ceiling for one second, because the point i want to make is what president obama says i think is accurate on this. the debt ceiling, the credit rating of the united states, that's different than a government shutdown. i know with government shutdown, these people with get back pay and it's not pleasant, but it's not necessarily something that can't be -- that's irrevocable. if you guys, house republicans,

don't allow this debt creeling to raise, for bills that you and the senate and president obama racked up, then that is truly -- harry reid was calling dana bash irresponsible. that is truly irresponsible. >> okay, i'll see your irresponsible and i'll raise it by saying this -- the only thing more irresponsible than that is to raise the debt creeling with no change in sight, in other words, a trajectory that has now taken us to $16 trillion in debt and not deal -- >> $16.9 trillion, i believe. >> not to deal with that, just say we're going to pile it on and pile it on. what the house is saying is let's not do any of that. let's instead say let's deal with all of these things, let's do it in totality, put tax reform in there that can be absolutely transformational. >> president obama trying to do that with speaker baner and at the end of the day, and you can fault obama for trying -- for moving the goal posts, that whole thing, i don't want to get into that, but at the end of the day it was unclear that boehner had the votes and support to

deliver any sort of revenue through tax reform, that obama is willing to look at cutting spending, willing to look at entitlement reform, but there needs to be some tax reform, as well, meaning my taxes go up, your taxes go up, but house republicans, that's a nonstarter. >> jake, at the end of the election, the day after the election, john boehner put $800 billion in new revenue on the table. and that was just completely shunned by the white house. that's disappointing. when you've got the speaker of the house who puts $800 billion in new revenue saying, look, let's -- you won, mr. president, we won, the country wants us to work together, i think that's the spirit and the disposition that says we can get these things done. we are at a moment in time when the president of the united states today could do something transformational, and that is bring it all together, sort of raise the stakes and say let's deal with debt ceiling, let's deal with entitlements. he's put some entitlement changes in his own budget but he's clung to this orthodoxy

saying the only way i'll do this is to raise taxes. we can come up with the money. let's be smart about how we do it. >> to be continued, senator roskam. you and president obama worked together on the death penalty in illinois. i hope that spirit can arise once again. coming up, a victim of the shutdown or a political stunt? as world war ii veterans defy the barricades around the memorial set up to honor them. why was an outdoor memorial closed by the park service anyway? and think just because you haven't been furloughed or have no plans to visit a national park the shutdown isn't affecting you? you're wrong. the staggering amount it's costing every american, coming up.

>> the administration decided they wanted to make this government shutdown as painful as possible for everyone including depriving our veterans the chance to visit this landmark. that's not right, and we all know that's just not fair. so i've come here to announce that the republican national committee has put aside enough money to hire five security personnel full-time to keep the world war ii memorial open for veterans and visitors across this country. >> the democratic national committee responded with this statement. "we've already been working on a plan to open the memorial and the entire government after the gop caused them to close. it's called a clean funding resolution and it sounds like the votes are there if the speaker would just call for a vote." the democratic national committee continues, "i think he was referring to chairman priebus, probably has speaker

cruz/boehner's number somewhere, and i'll bet veterans would appreciate it a lot more than this silly stunt." in the meantime, veterans are staying above the fray and still showing up to pay their respects. today two flights came from missouri and illinois, approximately 200 veterans almost entirely from world war ii. >> reporter: for men who stormed the beaches at normandy, a few park service barricades were not going to be a problem. not for guys like robert white, who served with the marines in the pacific. >> i'm a marine. we'd have got in here one way or the other. >> reporter: or army veteran buddy schmidt. looked like you weren't going to get in. >> right. i heard someone had barricades out. >> reporter: you got through. >> we got through. we were determined to go through one way or the other. >> reporter: yesterday some of their fellow veterans broke through barricades that the national park service had put up. today even though the world war ii memorial website says it's closed, veterans were welcomed with open arms.

? thank you, gentlemen. [ cheers ] >> reporter: these troops and their families came here with honor flights, which flies older veterans and those gravely ill to visit the memorials perhaps for their only time. these men fought and bled for this democracy. they watched their buddies die in the sands of france and the jungles of guam for this mess. >> well, we didn't know if we were going to be here or not. >> reporter: but you got in. >> we're thank l for that. >> congress doing their job, that sort of thing, i say they just need to work and come together for the country. that's what the people want. >> i'm concerned about the senate, the representatives, and democrats just fighting one another. they're not getting done -- nothing done. >> reporter: fred yanow was in the army in the south pacific. >> well, i'm glad it's open because i think what the politicians are doing is nuts.

absolutely crazy. if they want to do something drastic, why don't they cut their salaries? wouldn't that be great? >> reporter: but beyond the media circus and the politics of it all, the blame game, president obama, john boehner, today really was about one thing. these men and women who gave so much honoring those who did not make it back. men like eugene decker, a marine who fought at guadalcanal in saipan. is this your first time at the world war ii memorial? are you really looking forward to it? >> well, i just wanted to see what it looked like. i'm glad they don't have the boys' names up there. because i lost an awful lot of good men. there were some damn good men lost there. i mean good men. when we hit those islands, those japs didn't want us, but we e took them anyhow.

and i'd do it again if i was able. >> reporter: you were fighting for freedom, sir, and we thank you. i'm glad you made it back. >> well so, am i. i got tom wonderful little children with me that i would take the world for. >> reporter: what's it going to mean to you? will you be thinking about iwo jima, the pacific theater? >> i don't want to talk about that. don't want to talk about that, so i know it sounds rude, but -- >> reporter: doesn't sound rude at all, sir. thank you for your service. i hope it's a mean rgful experience for you. thank you on behalf of everybody. even though memorial remains officially closed, the national park service issued a statement today saying it would not keep honor flight members from entering the site. coming up, forget hurricane katrina or sandy, this shutdown could cost more than both those storms combined. the real price of washington dysfunction next. plus, do they stand by their man or in speaker boehner's home district even visited his old

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welcome back to "the lead" live from capitol hill. time for the money lead. you can call it a government shutdown. you can call it a slimdown. you can call it a showdown. the one thing you cannot call it is cheap. even if you are not affected by the furloughs and closures, this washington gridlock is costing all of us every single day, and we're not talking chump change but hundreds of millions of dollars. cnn's tom foreman joins us with a breakdown of the cost. tom. >> take a look at this number back here, $300 million per day. that's how much money they say is disappearing from the u.s. economy right now because of the shutdown. how is that possible? how can you be losing that much money? we knew there was going to be an impact up front in terms of what we call the red zone expenses, the basic payout to federal workers who were laid off, those 800,000 people out of work, and people who deal directly with the federal government. we also knew that we'd have a green zone back here, which would be the things that weren't

affected much, like air traffic control and things like the postal service and the federal courts. the cost seems to be centered in the yellow zone here, those in the middle, like intelligence gathering, the national security agency apparently down 70% in terms of its civilian staff right now. some of the checking that you might do for hiring people through e verify system. that's not working right now. some food inspections not happen right now. some 19,000 families no longer with head start because it doesn't have funding right now. and of course the panda cam has gone dark over at the national zoo. still, you look at all of this and you say what does that add up to? well, if you go beyond just the immediate payout to the people who do these jobs and say that's money that's not in the economy and you go beyond this number to say how much does this ripple out to affect everything, moody analytics says then you can come up with a much bigger number. you can see if this goes on for

one month, the combined economic impact will be equal to hurricane katrina and superstorm sandy combined minus the property damage. we're talking about the economic damage or another way of looking at it, jake, it's cost us about a quarter to a half million dollars since i started talking. jake? >> astounding. tom forman, thank you so much. judging by the approval ratings, which at this point are lower than that of telemarketers, most of you would, given the choice, just fire everyone in congress and start from scratch. according to "the washington post," that's exactly what happened when australia went through its only government shutdown in 1975. the governor, appointed by queen elizabeth, dismissed the prime minister after both chambers of government failed to pass a budget in the middle of an economic downturn and appointed a replacement who immediately passed a spending bill to turn the lights back on. a few hours later, the rest of parliament was sent packing and australia held national elections, a total control.

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liberty mutual insurance -- responsibility. what's your policy? welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper on capitol hill. we heard him say he will not negotiate republicans on demands, but it turns out he's okay with having them over to the white house to talk about it. in less than han hour, the president will meet with speaker john boehner and others at the white house to discuss the shutdown and looming debate over the debt ceiling. joe johnson is in boehner's backyard, cincinnati, ohio, to hear what boehner's constituents think of this standoff. joe, the latest cnn polling has boehner's favorability down to 33% nationally. he's a member of congress, doesn't have to worry act the national polls. but what are they saying about him back home? >> reporter: honestly, jake, he does come from possibly the most republican district in the state of ohio so that says a lot. his family used to own a bar and

restaurant over on vine street here, and we went there this morning and talked to the breakfast bunch that comes every day. they really weren't that worried about the shutdown although they say they're concerned about government spending. we went over the his district proper in the westchester area, and people were a little bit more exercised about the government shutdown. but their criticism is not just for the speaker of the house but also for the congress as well as the democratic president. listen. >> when he lived here he gave the message that he was completely for the people, for the citizens of the country. since he's been in washington, i don't know, sometimes it seems like he goes completely in the other direction, sometimes he stays with us, be, most of the time he goes for -- he just can't make up his mind what he wants and the government can't make up their mind what they want. it's like the hatfields and

mccoys fighting with each other all the time. get your act together. >> the government is way too big and we have to reduce the size of the government. so however you want to take that, you take it that way. >> reporter: so what are people here really waried about? take a look at the front page of the cincinna"cincinnati inquir." it does say shut down, but it says cincinnati reds season ending after being beat 6-2 by the pittsburgh pirates. jake? >> the important things. joe johnson, cincinnati, thank you so much. publicly, the war of words between the president and the speaker has been piercing and personal. in an op-ed in "usa today," the speaker is pegging the blame for the shutdown, "on the president's scorched-earth policy of refusing to negotiate." moments ago on an interview on cnbc, the president handed the shutdown hot potato right back to the speaker. >> i have bent over backwards to work with the republican party.

and have purposely kept my rhetoric down. i think i'm pretty well known for being a calm guy. sometimes people think i'm too calm. am i exasperated? absolutely i'm exasperated because this is entirely unnecessary. >> when the cameras go off in one hour and these two men meet behind the political cover of closed white house doors, could something ak klctually get done? democratic strategist and former spokesman for the obama campaign ben lebolt, former chairman and ceo of hewlett-packard, carly fiorina and political reporter for yahoo! news, chris moody. ben, isle start with you. you heard congressman roskam, who knows obama from illinois, saying he thinks ultimately president obama, if it is a big deal about opening up the government and raising the debt ceiling and a whole bunch of other things, that there might be room for negotiating, he doesn't believe president obama wouldn't. >> look, the president's not going to participate in government by ransom.

i expect him to have one demand today when he sits down with republican leadership, which is to say put a funding bill on the floor. a clean funding bill to fund the government for the next two months. once you pass that bill, let's return to regular order. we can have budget negotiations. house republicans have refused to appoint members to a conference committee 18 times that would have that negotiation. the president has been willing all along to have that negotiation but he's got going to overturn the results of the presidential election and participate in government by rans ransom. >> karla. >> you know, if president obama had wanted to the avoid a government shutdown then he should have negotiated. he should have had the meeting he's having today two or three months ago. everybody could see this train wreck coming. i actually feel badly for john boehner. i think this is ted cruz and president obama's shutdown. i think ted cruz's tactics were wrong. there's no honor in charging a hill that you know you can't take, only casualties, although ted cruz maybe got name recognition and money along the way.

>> he's the leader of the republican party. >> i don't think so. but president obama wanted this shutdown. and ted cruz played right into his hands. and the thing is you and i have talked about negotiating before. if you want to negotiate with someone, you have to empower them. president obama has done everything possible to disempower the reasonable people that he's trying to negotiate with, and he's done everything possible to say -- i was amazed to hear him say i've kept my rhetoric down. my goodness, he's been on campaign-style speeches for the last three months saying over and over againly not negotiate, i will not negotiate, i will not negotiate. when you say that, you em power the flamethrowers. >> there was a time to defund obama care and that was during the 2012 election when governor romney made that argument. it was defeated in the polls. >> i actually agree with that. that's why i started by say ig think saying we're going to defund obama care is a way to deal with ongoing continuing resolution was a totally flawed tactic. i do think that some of the positions that the republicans have put forward, let's delay the individual man dey, let's

make sure that congress doesn't get the same kinds of exemptions that other people are asking for, these things make sense, but i come back to the original thing. president obama looks strongest when he is standing up saying i will not negotiate with republicans, and he has looked very weak the last several months. i think he wanted this, and that's why he decided to have a meeting today not two weeks ago. >> at least publicly this is not a negotiation that we're talking about. boehner has come out and said we're not going to budge on this, and obama and jay carney has said he's not going to negotiate behind closed doors. that might be a little different. but i think the most frustrating part about this is the reason we're having a shutdown is not because of no votes in the house. the votes to fund the government are in the house right now. they're just not holding the vote. i think that's going to be frustrating and infuriating to a lot of people that see it and say it's there, why are we closing down monuments and not funding nia? >> i think enough americans don't understand that most republicans in the senate and the house don't want to be doing

this right now. >> that's why i called it ted cruz's shutdown as well as president obama's. but here's -- >> they are afraid. they are afraid of the tea party wing of the republican party. >> here's the thing. if you look at the polls -- >> is that -- >> boehner follows cruz, mcconnell follows paul. that's the reality of the republican party. >> john boehner, the reason i said he has a very difficult task, john boehner is trying to hold a caucus together. >> right. >> and yes, there are elements of his caucus that are much more extreme than other elements in the caucus. the thing that i am disappointed by, frankly, with the republican caucus, is if you look at the data, if you look at the polls, the american people say don't shut the government down. however, 70% of the american people say let's have a discussion about spending. >> sure. >> along with the debt ceiling. that's the time for the fight. >> repealing or defunding obama care shouldn't be part of a cr negotiation. >> i agree with that. i think there are pieces. if it would have been me, i would have taken it on a piece-part basis.

let's talk about the individual mandate, talk about the medical device tacks, talk about the xemings that congress gets. and by the way, we're not worried about congressional aides. we're talking about senators and congressmen who want the exemption or the head of the irs who says thank you very much, i like my health care, i don't want to go to obama care. that's what makes americans crazy. >> i get that absolutely. ben, i want to ask you a question about this overall negotiation between president obama and speaker boehner because they did try a couple times, and it didn't work, and you can point fingers, easily point fingers at both men, really. president obama moved the goal posts once some senators did when it came to the amount of revenue, the amount of taxes, and it wasn't clear that boehnered that votes to begin with. he didn't return president obama's phone call, et cetera. has president obama given up entirely on wanting to negotiate or feeling he can negotiate with republicans on the house? >> well, i think that the white house has been absolutely clear that in regular order, in a budget process, they are happy to negotiate. but what we can't do is

manufacture a series of crises that put the middle class at risk and that put our economy at risk. what republicans have done again and again is gin up these crises, take a look at the 800,000 people out of work. take a look at the impact on the market, and we are two weeks away from not meeting our financial obligations. what kind of message will that send to the world? >> what i find so amazing about that response is regular order, how long did it take the democrats to ever pass a budget? the point is this president has actually been unwilling to negotiate during regular order about a whole set of things. >> republicans have passed a budget. >> in march. >> denials of congress. republicans will say that's because we don't want to go to the table if we don't think we can reach an agreement. we want to have that assurance. republicans were hounding democrats to pass a budget and now it's flipped to go to conference on that. it goes round and round here. >> to be continued. thank you so much. carly fiorina, ben labolt, thank you. your favorite pastime.

forget catching the navy/air force game this weekend. not even football is safe from washington's axe. he wrote works of fiction that some said inspired terrorists. a critique he vehemently denied. we're looking back at cltom clancy's most memorable work ahead.

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welcome back to "the lead. "i'm jake tapper live on capitol hill right now in case you can't tell. the sports lead, we're learning every day there are no limits to the things the federal government can run, and that includes apparently college football. the much-anticipated rivalry game between the air force and naval academies is in limbo for now all because of, you guessed it, the shutdown. it's impacting all military teams because some have staffers who have been furloughed. the air force says travel for all athletics teams is canceled until further notice. joining me live from new york is "bleacher report's" lead nfl

writer mike freeman. thanks for being here. what kind of reaction are you hearing from the teams and their coaches about the games possibly being cancelled? >> in general, this is great disappointment, almost sadness. to a lot of these guys this is one of the more important things they do while they're at the academies. they love football. football means a lot to them. it really helps them become in a lot of ways better men just as going to these academies help them become better men. football helps then also. there's just great sort of sadness, almost stunning aspect to this, because if you look at the air force/navy rivalry in particular, that's been going on for four decades, a long time. the academies have played football through wars, through some of america's worst catastrophes, and now this may not happen, uns predenltded. a general state of shock. >> the last shutdown in '95-96, that went on for a few weeks. in this one goes on for a few

week, would it mean these team's seasons are pretty much scrapped? >> what they're saying right now is they're talking about postponing games, trying to reschedule games, but, jake, the real practical matter is that the season would be basically over. they probably wouldn't play football again. it would be really to a lot of these guy just very, very depressing. and, look, to some people will just say it's just football, but to a lot of these guys it's very important so, there's no question this is important to a lot of these guys. i do think if this continues for a few weeks i don't know if we'll see football at the academies again. >> now, of course we've talked on this show and other shows on cnn about some of the other effects of this shutdown, people who are hoping for clinical trials from the national institutes of health, unable to enter them, risks in a few weeks of people who need -- women and baby who is need -- the women, infants and children nutrition

program. i know that football seems not that important compared to life or death issues and health issues. >> reporter: right. >> why is it so important to these young men and i guess women as well in terms of people supporting the teams? >> reporter: well, one is financial. there's mms of dollars at stake with some of these games. that's not a lot of -- that's a lot of money to a lot of these guys. and so the financial part of it. but years ago i talked to roger staubach, who's a very famous football player, played for the dallas cowboys, went to the naval academy. he talked about how much playing at navy and being a part of that experience meant to him. to these guys, while it is just football to some degree, it really does spawn a lot of the competition, a lot of camaraderie between these academies, and it really does make them, a lot of them feel, the players i've spoken to, into better people. and to me that's pretty important and to them i want's pretty important. >> lastly, is there any chance that the teams could get some help from the conferences or

private funders to keep the seasons going? >> reporter: there's a chance of that, but a very small one. if anything, it would be something that would -- if it went on for a couple of weeks maybe you could help the academies with one game, particularly air force, but for the most part the academies are on their own. they don't get financial help, then their season is probably over. >> mike freeman, thank you so much. >> still ahead on "the lead," the uk had ian fleming and james bond, the u.s. had tom clancy and jack ryan. clancy left us, but jack ryan will live on. looking back on a remarkable career next. who has 11 major brands to choose from? your ford dealer. who's offering a rebate? your ford dealer. who has the low price tire guarantee, affording peace of mind to anyone who might be in the market for a new set of tires? your ford dealer. i'm beginning to sense a pattern. get up to $140 in mail-in rebates when you buy four select tires with the ford service credit card. where'd you get that sweater vest?

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into oncoming traffic. it clipped an suv and then slammed into a tractor-trailer. 14 people were also injured in the crash. cnn will of course have more on this story as it comes out. turning now to the pop culture lead. the death of a literary giant of our time, tom clancy, the former insurance salesman was too nearsighted for a military career, but his vision of cold war tensions, military intrigue, hardware, tactics, the wars on drugs and terror, well, that vision was so focused, so fastidious, even top pentagon brass wondered if they were reading fact or fiction. they were reading fiction, not thrilling training manuals on steroids. tom clancy's 17 thrillers are tough to turn down and inspired movies tough to turn off and video games that begged to be played over and over. >> reporter: national security was tom clancy's muse. his first novel was the breakout best-selling "hunt for red october." >> we sail into history.

>> reporter: and that formula of a twisting thriller ending in american military success was one he employed again and again. clancy won acclaim for his attention to detail with military equipment and weapons, but his success came with some criticism too. >> the bomb is in play! >> reporter: clancy's fictional terror plots sometimes became all too real, such as in 1994 when he imagined a plane crashing into the u.s. capitol. >> one of functions of artis is to warn people what's possible and dangerous out there. >> reporter: clancy pushed back against the idea he was any srt of terrorist inspiration in a 2002 interview with cnn. >> i really don't think osama bin laden woke up one morning and said i think i'm going to attack the west, i'm going to read a clancy book and find out how to do it best. i don't think so. >> reporter: his novels were beloved by the u.s. military and other readers because they helped change a media narrative. >> if you look at tom clancy's career, it really takes off in

the 1980s with ronald reagan as president. >> reporter: paul farhi is a media reporter for "the washington post." >> this is the post-vietnam era. there is a sense that we want to revive the military, we want to celebrate the military after the vietnam war. and clancy's novels are perfectly attuned to that time. >> i want to go to vietnam. i'll die there if i have to. >> reporter: that was a major shift from films like "born on the fourth of july," where returning vietnam veterans were treated as anything but heroes. his push for cia and military heroism, using ronald reagan as a frequent unnamed character made him a hero on the political right. >> tom clancy always was identified as a conservative, so i think readers kind of knew where he was coming from and knew where the story was coming from. but, i mean, it kind of transcended liberal or conservative. it became americana. it became patriotic. >> tom clancy fans have a chance to