that's all for us tonight. i want to thank my studio audience and my guests. a very lively evening. tomorrow night my exclusive interview with israeli prime minister ned netanyahu. a very interesting conversation. the woman that led the police on a high-speed chase is dead apparently through gunshot wounds. the chase and gunfire sending visitors and staffers and lawmakers alike scattering for cover and wondering if this was a repeat of last month's navy yard shooting. in fact, it was something else entirely. what precisely? we don't know. a lot left to learn tonight. we'll start with joe johns. >> reporter: chilling real-time video much on cell phone cameras, a broad daylight confrontation are police in washington, an erratic driver

who already hit a white house barrier arrives at the west front of the u.s. capitol. you can hear the shots fired as the driver with multiple police cars in pursuit hit speeds of up to 80 miles an hour before it comes to an end on the capitol's eastside with more shots fired a block away from the supreme court. two officers injured in the chase. >> we have gunfire on capitol hill. if you're in an office, shelter in place. >> reporter: as the public address system warns everyone to hunker down, a stunning surprise. the driver police were shooting at and killed was a woman with a small child in the backseat who is unharmed. once more, after searching the suspect's car, police find no weapon. for the bystanders on the street, shock and panld moment yum. >> we dropped to the ground. >> i was walking toward the capitol building and about 30 seconds later, as i hit this

point, there was about three or four cop cars that sped past me. another 30 seconds of that i heard a series of loud pops like a gun going off looking like from outside. >> reporter: a strange and dangerous spectacle in one of the most closely guarded public spamss in the country, perhaps in the world. >> this was a lengthy pursuit. there were multiple vehicles rammed. there was officers struck and two security perimeters attempted to be breached. >> joe joins me from washington. do we know more about the driver of the car right now? >> reporter: anderson, we do know that this is a 34-year-old woman believed to be from stanford, connecticut. she's also believed to be the mother of the child who was found in the car and taken away by authorities. cnn at this time is not releasing her name, anderson. >> any known idea of her motive or anything like that at this point? >> reporter: no, no idea at all. however, one member of congress who has been apparently briefed on this situation has told

reporters that questions about her volatility in the past have been raised. >> and you mentioned the piece that authorities didn't find any weapon in the car. why then did they open fire? >> reporter: in a situation like this, a car can be deemed just as deadly a weapon as any type of a firearm, and in this case, two officers apparently had already been hit and injured by this vehicle so the authorities say they were fully within their right to go ahead and shoot. >> all right. joe, appreciate it. thanks. this happened obviously in front of thousands of people. before we talk to a pair of witnesses, i want to show you the video of the pivotal moment.

>> unbelievable. joining me matthew and patty who witnessed the incident. you saw the chase from a cab nearby. what exactly did you see? >> we were pulling down the street and we saw tons of police cars coming at us from every direction and out of nowhere, i saw a black car pass us on our left, and it was -- it was really happened very, very quickly. it came to a quick stop. tried to do some sort of a

u-turn to get away from the police activity and within seconds, it was boxed in by different law enforcement cars that were around, and it really happened really fast. >> you thought the driver might surrenderer when she was boxed in, but she didn't. >> no, exactly, i really thought she was going to because it was clear she had nowhere to go and all of a sudden an officer was out of the car with his weapon drawn and as soon as she made a move and tried to put the car in reverse and speed away, shots were fired. >> patty, you were close by and saw the officers firing shots. could you see the driver, what she looked like and doing at the time? >> i couldn't see the driver, what she was doing but i could see someone in the car. i immediately saw the police enforcement, all of them trying to pull the child from the car to safety. it was very obvious they wanted to get the child out of there before something happened, which did, which was the gunfire

because she was very ramming in the car. she hit into the police car. she hit into the booth that had the police where they stand in it and clearly, she was using the car as a weapon. >> could you see there had been a child in the car? i mean, before she was taken out, obviously? >> i could not see that there was a child before, so when i saw the police run over and open the door and was pulling a child out, then i knew that they were trying to get the child out to safety first. >> and i mean, patty, one thing to see the stuff on tv, another to see it in real life. how are you doing? >> you know, it was very scary. i was very emotional at the time. it's -- when you're right there and hear those gunshots, it's loud. lots of law enforcement of every kind. i felt safe in one sense with them but very frightened in another. >> and matthew, how far away were you from the whole incident? were you concerned for your safety at any point? >> i was.

i mean, i was about ten yards. the car was -- when the car was stopped and the shooting started, i was one lane of traffic over. there was absolutely nothing between me and my -- the taxi i was in and the shooting. the cab driver and i were on the floor, and keeping our heads down and, you know, we didn't know if there was another weapon involved. we didn't know where the shots were coming from, other than the one officer we could see. so it was extremely scary. as you said one thing to see this on tv but in real life it happened very, very fast, but it's something you can't really prepare for. >> yeah, i just kept thinking how horrific for that little girl i guess in the backseat. how scary it must have been for her. patty and matt, thank you very much. glad everything with you is okay. you can follow me on twitter @andersoncooper. more details on the woman behind the wheel and later what an open mic caught two key players in the battle saying about it. i was made to work.

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more now on the breaking news, fresh details about the woman that rammed a barrier at the white house and lead authorities on a chase in washington. she is dead, her baby daughter in the car with her is doing fine we're told. the question now who is this woman and who possessed her to do what she did? police have yet to release her name. police are questioning family members in brooklyn. what is the latest?

>> reporter: federal law enforcements were here at the home. her mother and younger sister live here. they came and tried to speak to both but left rather soon after. we had a team in police that knocked on the door, no response, no answer at the apartment that we knocked on. we can tell you developments happening in stanford, connecticut. that's where it's believed this woman lived with her 18 month old daughter. there is a bomb squad and a hazmat team at the location and the reason for that we're being told is because authorities when they arrived at the apartment executing a search warrant they found an envelope at the door and the envelope appeared to them to be suspicious and that's why they are taking a lot of care and precautions and that's why you have the bomb squad and hazmat team in place there. they are executing the search warrant and trying to find information. they evacuated this condo complex. all the neighbors have been removed, again, they aren't sure what they will find so they are

being extra careful. we know that the neighbors have been evacuated. they have been left in and that's still a very active scene with authorities going through the apartment complex, anderson. >> debra, what about the young daughter in the car with her? we know she was taken away by police officers. do we know where she is now or how she is? >> reporter: this is pretty remarkable because you've been showing the video of the car as they pulled away. authorities had no idea, police had no idea when firing there was a child inside that vehicle. as a matter of fact, when the vehicle came to a stop because authorities opened fire on the car hitting the driver who was at the wheel, that is when they realized that the daughter was inside the vehicle. a police officer was able to take her to safety. we're told that she was brought to a hospital and that she's doing okay. there was even video of her and she was unscathed. the driver, the female, the mother was shot dead at that scene, anderson. >> more on what authorities,

many of whom are working out pay should be noted did out on the streets and during the hectic moments and what investors are looking for. for that i want to bring in tom fuentes. what you can see in this video and what is being reported so far, what are you making of how law enforcement handled it? >> it appears they handled it fairly well. some question when the vehicle was pulled over why one more squad car didn't pull in and box it in completely but that's really, really knit picking under the circumstances trying to pull that vehicle over and get her out of the vehicle. once she clearly rams the police car and escapes from being boxed in like that, it's pretty clear that they have got to take the action they have. they have no idea what her motives are. they have no idea if that car

contains explosives and she's a terrorist or suicidal and she's going to run people over on the sidewalk down the road or what, but it's clear at that point that they know they have to stop that car. >> the fact that -- i mean, you're saying people should not read into the fact that no weapon was found inside the vehicle because at the time, law enforcement does not have that knowledge that vehicle could have been a -- you know, a vehicle born explosive device or something. >> the vehicle itself they know was a weapon. she's using that as a 2,000 pound weapon to run into police cars and injure police officers whether before they know there is explosives or not. the car itself is a weapon in her hands when she's driving it. she drives recklessly through downtown washington, which is amazing because i come down constitution to come to cnn and it takes me an hour to do what she did in four minutes. so, you know, it's clear that she's being completely reckless and endangering the public and will continue to endanger them

when you defy armed police officers ordering you to get out of a car and do what she did, i think that's what escalated this up to the point where they knew they were going to have to stop her at all costs and yes, you take a risk, you know, as a law enforcement officer you're trained not to fire your weapons when there is innocent people that could be hit by friendly fire accidently but on the other hand, do you take that chance versus the chance that she runs that car closer to the capital and kill more people if it has explosives. >> authorities seem to rule out terrorism, the hazmat team, the bomb squad finding that envelope. seems like an abundance of caution at this point but probably sensible. >> yes, exactly. you know, until they analyze the envelope and do the full search, they will be very cautious. that tends to bring a search to a stretching halt while you evacuate the building and have tenants, you know, in a large building like that will take awhile to get to where you're

ready to safely proceed and you're concerned about the safety of the crime scene investigators that are going to go in and perform the forensic work they have to do inside that apartment. so there is a lot that goes into that and they are trying to get ahold of her telephone records, e-mails, text messages, talk to friends. it sounds like the mother and sister probably did not talk to the authorities tonight, but maybe other relatives will or other friends or neighbors or work associates to say what was going on in her mind. we don't know at this point. did she have a relationship problem or a workplace problem or is she out of work because of the government shutdown and can't make ends meet? we just don't know. >> we don't know. >> what triggered today's action. >> tom, appreciate your expertise.

next, exclusive new developments in trash talk and the government shutdown and the wife inside the suv her husband was at the wheel and their 2-year-old daughter in the back. there you see motorcyclist or at least one of them trying to break up the window and drag the driver out. the wife is speaking out defending what her husband did in that confrontation with bikers.

hey, welcome back. today's chase and shooting unfolded tense and angry times, tempers were already flying and insta gators were wearing thin. then there is this, we got a clip from local station wrc capturing a confrontation the world war ii memorial between congressman randy, a park ranger and furloughed federal worker. you'll recall politicians have been showing up bemourning the fact it's closed but their votes led to the shutdown. this federal worker called them on it. >> how do you look at them and say how do you deny them access? i don't get that. >> it's difficult.

>> it should be difficult. >> it is difficult. i'm sorry, sir. >> park services should be ashamed of themselves. >> i'm not ashamed. >> you should be. >> people who want to pass a budget. >> it doesn't cost money -- >> mr. redi. this woman is doing her job like me. i'm a 30-year federal veteran out of work. >> the reason you are is mr. reid. >> no, because the government won't do its job and pass a budget. >> i can't believe that politician was calling out some park service worker. i mean, that's the first time i've seen that. that just boggles my mind. there was a camera there, no coincidence on that. president obama again called on john boehner called on the government to pass a bill. the american people elected representatives to make their lives easier, not harder. how are they doing? dana bash joins us from a rattled and exhausted capitol. dana, i'm sorry, that's the first time i'm seeing that. i can't believe a high-paid

congressman is chewing out some female park service worker, you know, surrounded by microphones. that seems the most, i mean, obvious play for the cameras, i -- i mean, you live in washington. i guess this stuff doesn't surprise you. it shouldn't surprise me anymore. i don't know why i'm mentioning it. it is what it is. >> it's the first time i've seen it, as well and it does surprise me. i got to be honest because members of congress know better and people like park service people, people who work for the park service and people on capitol hill protecting them but do their jobs the best they can. >> by the way, that congressman is getting paid. i mean -- anyway. so let's talk about what is actually happening. not much progress on capitol hill. what is the latest? >> not much at all. you basically heard the president go after republicans again and republicans standing

firm saying they won't move on what democrats are demanding which is, again, a clean, no strings attached bill to fund the government. earlier today i walked by john boehner's office down the hall and he was having a meeting, i should say, with maybe about 20 members who are part of his inner circle talking to them about the next step and he has sort of at least privately tried to begin to move on from his demand on obamacare to discussions at least with fellow republicans about what they could ask for from the president, from democrats related to the economy whether entitlement reform, tax reform, things like that and that's of course about the debt ceiling, the next fight on that deadline is october 17th. democrats say no, we're not negotiating on anything whether it's the shutdown or the debt ceiling, do it all they say then we'll talk. >> you sat down with harry reid. what did he say. >> it's getting so personal. no wonder nothing is getting done and nobody is negotiating.

listen to what he's saying about the house speaker. >> i think that the speaker has to be more concerned about hour country than he is about his job why else did he do this? >> let's play that out and say he agrees to what you're saying. he put as bill to fund the government on the house floor and passes with big bipartisan support and he's toast, he loses his speakership. >> but he has to have courage. >> anderson, senator reid said he had a meeting with john boehner in september where he says boehner promised that he would pass a clean bill, just like democrats are demanding and in exchange for that, harry reid agreed to a lower spending level of the democratic colleagues and that's part of the reason they are standing firm. he said he thinks john boehner intended to pass that but couldn't do it because of the

and his conservative caucus. >> appreciate it, mama. to the struggle that seems to be fueling the shutdown, at least part of the republican party and this is no way and so far carrying the day and this is what the voters say, first the congressman michael gram i spoke to just before air time. >> congressman, i understand you've been meeting with the speaker, you and moderate republican colleagues are trying to find a way to get the government running again. what do you want to see happen now? >> obviously, i want to see a resolution. i want the government turned on and a big part of this is politics is politics and i've been around this town now long enough to figure out there is going to be politics, but you have a lot of people that aren't going to be able to pay rent. 800,000 government employees furloughed scared to death now.

i have a family that the husband and wife both work for the government, so they have a small child at home they don't know what they will do. we need to -- we need to get our act together and find a resolution but unfortunately, when i hear the things that the president is saying and so on and harry reed is very -- i feel coming across very, very arrogant, i think he's only making it more difficult to get to a resolution. >> you're saying vote -- a clean vote should come up at the house. there should be a clean bill that has time to stop the conservative republicans, time for them to stop holding this up. >> well, what -- yes. do i want a resolution? absolutely. but at the same time, i've also been calling on the president to show leadership. listen. when two sides dig in, the house and senate dig in, that's the time the president comes, has

people over at the white house which is why i was optimistic yesterday, but instead of sitting down and say let's have a conversation, how can we resolve this? for you? let's talk about how we get something done. there is no dialogue at all. that's not leadership. this is the leader of the free world. he has got to be above it to some extend and instead, he's actually the problem more than the solution. that's where i'm disappointed. again, a lot of blame to go around, every party, house and senate. i'm not saying anyone has clean hands but the president needs to be above this and start to lead. >> those who support the president say look, who should he be negotiating with because you have basic -- they say this is really more about a war within the republican party, the divisions within the republican party. >> well, there is no question we have our issues that we're working out but if you look at the votes, the republican party is unified. make no mistake about it. speaker boehner is in command. okay, he has to come and needs to be spoken to but, you know, if you insult someone, regardless of whether it's the speaker or myself or you but if you're going to be insulted on the press, spoken down to you'll

make things worse. that's common sense. if you want a deal done in the boardroom, you don't assault people before you go in. >> that sounds like ego, the way the president treated them. >> i think it's a combination of everything. you're talking about human beings, anderson. the speaker is a human being, too. there is only so much you're going to take when one doesn't want to talk at all, first of l. you don't have a discussion by yourself. you can't go to the dance unless you have a partner. again, i'm not saying there isn't blame to go all the way around and in a position that's good. i want and will do whatever it takes to get the government turned on because i know how hurt people are now but at the same time i expect some leadership from the president of the united states. he doesn't get a pass just because he feels, you know, that our position is unreasonable. >> if a clean bill was brought

up in the house, was allowed to come forward in the house, do you believe it would pass? >> i don't think there would be enough democrats to pass it. being a numbers guy, when i look at it, i think it would actually fail. >> fail, you're saying because of democrats? >> i'm saying i know how many republicans would probably drop out and i don't think you'll have enough democrats. >> to make up for it. >> you certainly won't have enough democrats voting for a clean cr. that much i can guarantee. there is quite a few democrats that will not vote for a clean cr. >> appreciate you being on. thank you. >> thank you. that's one end of the republican spectrum. we're joined by congressman. you heard congressman grim there saying bring this up for a clean vote. why is that not the right thing to do? >> i didn't hear him say that -- >> he ask -- >> i didn't hear him say that. i missed that if he can. we had a conversation earlier today and i heard him say, i guess, it would not pass. i agree with him. our offer to the senate is pretty simple.

it's pretty reasonable. let's sit down and talk about it. what i heard last night from the president and hearing from harry reid, you either give us everything we want or he'll keep the government closed down. we've sent bills to take care of nih, open the national parks, make sure the national guard can operate this weekend in kansas. we're doing those things we think we can agree on but you'll see house democrats are opposed to anything unless they get everything, that's a reasonable offer. >> what do you say to john mccain who say no, elections have consequences. this president ran twice, won on obama care, he lost, the president won. >> i'll say what i do say at the president and his folks. mr. president you don't like obamacare for big businesses. you've given them the exception and given the exception to congress and you don't believe they have to live under obamacare and that was the final offer. we did send to the head of the

senate said mr. reid, if you give big businesses a break from obamacare, give that to the rest of america. that made sense and matches up with what the president says he wanted to do but he rejected that. so right now we're sitting here waiting on a serious offer, serious willingness to sit down. in the meantime, the house is working. the senate has passed an appropriations bill in four years, in single appropriations bill. i know they are rusty there, mr. reid but it's hard to negotiate with someone that says they don't need to compromise. >> you call the health care sign up in your state stunning. you said there is not one single report of a signing up. where are you getting the numbers? the policy for your state's insurance department said tuesday it's quote impossible to tell how many have visited the federally visited website. how can you know no one signed up?

>> you did read the press release? >> yeah. >> anderson, i said one insurance company, the major one in the state had not a single person sign up on day one. i do not have a report for day two but indeed the insurance commissioner encouraged all kansas people not to sign up because it wasn't going to work for a couple weeks but i've been trying for the last two and a half days even though the president is trying to exempt members of congress and it's unphysical therapy to exempt members of congress and the cabinet and big business and require it for all other americans. >> how do you see this ending? i mean, are you convince the that house republicans are going to stand firm on this? >> i think we are. we're very unified, and if harry reid is confused or the president of the united states is confused that somehow we'll fold and let them win on everything and let them make

decisions about obamacare, this is not just about obamacare but the entire budget and recognize if nothing changes there will be another 700 billion-dollar deficit. there are holes to fill, a lot of discussions to take up and i appreciate those questions. sorry, there is little distraction in the back grand. >> i understand. >> it's been a busy day there. congress man, appreciate you being on. thank you. >> thank you. is it time for speaker boehner to end the shutdown? let me know what you think on twitter. we'll hear from someone that's been on this before, battle with bill clinton and talk to a former pollster for president obama and the latest on the driver swarmed by a group of bikers in manhattan and attacked with his wife and child in the car, so far only one suspect is facing charges. police are looking for the public's help in finding other suspects.

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welcome back, in raw politics, a unique look inside the process of an open microphone. senator mcconnell fresh from the meeting at the white house, they spoke and the cameras rolls, take a listen. >> do you have a second? >> i'm all wired up here. >> cnn and i go over again we're willing to compromise, we're willing to negotiate.

i don't think they poll tested we won't negotiate. i think it's awful for them to say that over and over again. >> yeah, i do, too and i just came back with a two-hour meeting with him and that was basically the same view privately. >> i think if we keep saying we wanted to defaunld it and we fought for that and we're willing to compromise on this, i i think i know we don't want to be here but we're going to win this, i think. >> whether they are right or wrong about the messages remains to be seen. interesting to see them work it out with the mics on. newt gingrich and co-host of cross fire and rich and served as a campaign pollster for president obama. cornell, the comments he made on an open mic, the claims it's a winning messages strategy, essentially the republicans saying over and over they are willing to negotiate.

is he right? >> no, he's absolutely not right. you can hear other republicans saying new hampshire republican senator said this is not a winning strategy, you know. corker from tennessee said we are boxing ourselves in here. it's not a winning strategy and if you look at the cbs poll that came out today showed 72% majority disapproving what they are doing and what the republicans were doing is behaving like spoiled children. when you get numbers up in the 70s, anderson, it's not a partisan divide. what you have is wide public support or public opposition to what the republican is doing and the question you have to ask yourselves if you're a republican is how many of those democratic senate seats they want to talk in the upcoming midterm election had they flipped by shutting down the government? i think you have to say they haven't flipped any of them. >> do you think this is a winning strategy, we're willing to negotiate, the other side is not. >> part of the winning strategy is passing a series of clean, targeted continuing resolutions,

one on the national institute of health, one on national park service and one on veterans. >> why is that winning. >> first of all, you now had 57 democrats in the house voted for one or more of these continuing resolutions and getting a bipartisan majority getting built in the house i think at a rate faster than house republicans becoming disappoint -- disaffected. harry reid is not taking any of them. in the interview with dana bash he almost melted down he was so angry because he was asking why is he blocking a clean, continuing resolution to help children with cancer get help at the nih. he got furious because she wasn't following the party line and using white house talking points and i suspect over the next two weeks, if republicans have courage you'll see a substantial shift but it has to come down to a willingness to last long enough for the country to pay attention.

>> it sounds like you're saying that what ran paul said is a winning strategy because essentially what you're saying is right now the same thing ran paul said it's the other side not willing to negotiate. >> it's more than that. i'm also saying passing a series of clean continuing resolutions section by section begins to take away the president's argument. the house has passed i think four already. every single one of them had democrats vote for them. i think they will bring up three more tomorrow. at some point, it's harry reed who is the obstruction -- >> speaker, what you're saying makes no sense. okay. why won't the speaker boehner put the clean bill on the floor and let him vote up or down? why will we play peace mill legislation. there is nothing we've ever done before. if we want a clean up and down vote, put it on the floor and let's vote to stop the shutdown. you know what we do have? we have enough votes probably in the house now to put it on the

floor to stop the shutdown. >> you have enough votes in the senate now to pass every single one of those targeted orders if -- >> should government work like that that basically you pass targeted resolutions if the media is reporting their headlines about kids at the nih, let's pass that? >> i know this breaks what the news media group think. of course this is how government should work. we had 17 shutdowns in recent history. chip o'neil, democratic speaker of the house had 12 shutdowns during his career this is not abnormal. this is what happens when you have a fundamental difference between the congress and the president. it happened 17 times since the 1970s. on the debt ceiling, we've been adding things to the debt ceiling since dwight eisenhower in 1954. none of these things are new. >> let me bring in your former

spokesperson. is this normal? is there something different about this? >> i love this because i get to disagree with everybody. first of all on the cbs poll, what cornell neglected to say was that the president's numbers are dropping like a stone, as well. just among women for instance since september according to the same cbs poll, the president's approval numbers dropped from 49 to 43. he's at 43% overall. something on the order of 60% of the country's not satisfied for what he's co-ing. it's not working for him -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> let rich finish. >> let me finish. >> then the pollster will weigh in. >> on the speaker's side, this just makes us look foolish. there has to be a way for grown up people to get together and quit calling each other names. if you see the press names before the meeting yesterday afternoon from everybody saying

this is ridiculous from the speaker's house, that has to stop and smart people and these are all smart people can figure out a way to move it ahead. i'm getting tired of it, and if i'm getting tired of it, i make my living at this stuff, i can't imagine what the other 315 million people are thinking. >> cornell, you've been looking at it, are his poll numbers, should he be worried? >> what my friend rich didn't put out there is yeah, the president's numbers are taking a hit but the president's numbers are twice what republicans and congress numbers are. look, this is a bad thing. your -- >> that's the bar he has to meet -- >> yeah, well that's the bar he has to meet. look, it's a pox in everyone's house. everyone looks bad when the government shuts down but right now republicans have to look and say republicans are taking the bigger hit on this. >> we'll continue this. thank you gentlemen.

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a number of developments tonight on a story we've been polling all week. new york police are trying to track down witnesses between a violent confrontation between a motorcyclists and suv. they are asking for corporation with those involved which happened on sunday when the driver of an suv hit a bike there slowed down. other bikers surrounded the suv and the driver struck one man. the driver said he was scared for himself, his wife and young child. the driver eventually got stuck in traffic, was pulled from the suv. he was beaten and slashed in the face. you see the driver there on the ground. his wife and daughter were not harmed in the altercation. the driver's wife released a statement saying her husband took the action he did to protect his family and believes others facing is similar situation would do the same. they don't think the driver of

the suv will be charged with a crime. police in kentucky are investigating an extreme case of road rage where one driver pulled a gun. it was caught on cell phone video, which he turned on moments before because the man with the gun was driving erratically. he turned the video over to police that tracked down and arrested the gunman. he was a medical doctor with a checkered history. gary tuchman reports. >> here i had the camera out the window. >> reporter: david kollar was driving on interstate 75 just south of lexington, kentucky when he shot this video on his phone. it was all most the last thing he ever did. keep an eye on the black lincoln with the bicycle attached in the left lane. david kollar rolled the video after the man behind the wheel started driving recklessly in the emergency lane. this is the first time the video has been publicly seen. >> he's passing people on the left emergency shoulder. he was tailgating somebody. they didn't get over quick enough so he got in the emergency shoulder and passed

this vehicle. at this point interstate 75 is three lanes wide already so he made his own fourth lane. i get out my cell phone and turn on video which is simple to do and hold it up and try to get his license plate number. he doesn't like that and slams on his brakes and almost comes to a complete stop in the left hand lane on i 75. so at that point i know he's a little crazy. >> reporter: this is precisely where he was on the interstate when he stopped rolling video but he was concerned with the buy cycle on the back police couldn't make out what was on the plate. he decided to make the identification easier, he would get video of the driver's face. >> i noticed i'm starting to slow down and see his window come down. his window comes down and pulls up his hand and point as gun at my face. >> we zoom in the picture. the driver is pointing a gun at

david collar and look at this, not only is he pointing the gun, you can clearly see smoke. it appears the driver fired the gun. >> i was scared. after the shot was fired i'm like okay, i'm not hit and don't feel anything. i looked around in the vehicle thinking that had to hit something but i didn't see bullet holes or anything. >> your heart must have been beating fast. >> it was crazy. >> david collar fold police his story and gave them video and now perrin dobyns is under arrest, a prison physician in branchville, a former family physician, a doctor who has a very troubled past. records in north carolina where he used to practice show that in december of 2008 dobyns filled unauthorized prescriptions for oxycodone and the medical board said he voluntary surrendered his medical license and practiced in indiana and in july

of 2009 the licensing board put his license on probation but in december of 2009 indiana allowed him to practice as long as another doctor was present and in may of 2011, indiana waive that condition allowing him to practice by himself once again. dobbyns is now out on bond. he's pleaded not guilty to want and endangerment and faces the possibility of five years behind bars but charges could be increased following an investigation and a supervisor tells us he's been fired from his job. where he's at, they don't know. how do you feel? >> just sick to my stomach. if we could go back and him, you know, like i say, flip me the finger instead of the gun i would be happier. >> reporter: gary tuchman, cnn, lexington, kentucky. >> unbelievable he's a doctor

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