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[ gunshots ]. >> new details and questions in the police chase on capitol hill that ended in the bullets. the family of the driver miriam carey speaks out. >> i just know that my sister did experience postpartum depression with psychosis, they labeled it, which came along with treatment of medication and counseling, which she did and she had her challenges with that. >> the latest on the shooting, her state of mind and the investigation and day four of the shutdown she doowdown. >> i'm happy to have negotiations with the republicans and speaker boehner on a whole range of issues but we can't do it with the gun held to the head of the american people. >> this isn't some damn game. the american people don't want their government shut down and neither do i.

>> what will it take to put america first? i'll talk to debbie schultz and you'll meet real people paying the price of politics as well and my news making interview with the israeli prime minister's surprising comments on president obama and iran. we begin with the death of miriam carey, shot following a dramatic and terrifying chase through the capitol yesterday. the questions tonight about her mental health and the police response. debra for rihere. there was a question on my mind and it wasn't getting air play but it struck me was there a question of over reaction here? the more relearned now about this incident, the more i'm asking that question because you got a woman with a baby in the back. she's apparently had postpartum depression and so on and history of mental illness, did the police have to take letting action in the way they did? >> if you speak to police the answer is yes. they didn't exactly know what

the threat was and didn't know this was somebody who potentially was suffering from a mental illness or postpartum depression. they were treating it as a serious threat and the moment she failed to listen to their directions to stop, to get out of the car, the entire thing escalated. there really was panic. people were on edge with the navy yard shooting but they say when you go to these areas where there is people and the possibility of politicians there, all of a sudden, everyone knows use of deadly force is authorized in those particular situations. if it had been somebody with a suicide vest strapped to them and they had taken this person out, then people would have said these people were heroes. >> it is easy to criticize in this event. they have to work in the spare of the moment. what struck me looking at the video closely is you see five or six armed policemen all around the car, so they must have identified you got a woman driving and a baby in the back.

one of them is in the back. at that stage, is it an option to shoot the tires, try and destabilize the car? do they say? >> a lot of people wonder why didn't they shoot the tires. it's almost impossible. works great in the movies but not real life. you can't neuter the car. what they do say is, you know, they were looking to stop this because they didn't know where she was going. she had gone to the white house. she tried to get past the security guards there and as she was pulling out, she clip add security officer, went over to the capitol. it was so irrational and erratic the way she was behaving, in fact they didn't know. her sisters did talk about the possibility they could have used something much less lethal. take a listen. >> we have a lot of questions, i'm sure as a lot of viewers when you read the information and see what the media is reporting, it just doesn't add up and personally, i feel as professionals there has to be another way instead of shooting

and killing an individual. i do feel that there could have been something else that could have been done. our goal is to figure out what happened. >> one of the things they are looking at, piers, she left in her apartment behind an envelope. we thought there was a letter inside. it was just an envelope addressed by hand to her boyfriend and inside a sugary substance that, piers, she mixed together. it was removed by has mart and undergoing testing now. there are a number of things that simply didn't make sense and that's how police are responding. >> stay with me. we are going exclusively to two friends of the carey family. darren green and retired dennis jones. thank you both for joining me tonight. you're here as friends of the family, not as law enforcement officers so much, but what is your take on what has happened here? do you believe it was all completely justified, or do you

think there was another way perhaps of resolving this without your friend being killed? >> well, there is always an opportunity to look things over and determine that there could possibly be another way that it could have been done. as law enforcement you train for so many different outcomes. you don't necessarily every outcome has to end in a death of someone. so we are looking at that as the law enforcement alliance to make sure that all parts of this is played out correctly and that all the information in this investigation is relaid to all of the proper authorities, the family and all people responsible for this will, you know, be interviewed and determine exactly what part they played and hopefully we can get some answers because right now, there is so many questions. >> right, i mean, and darron green, we know that miriam

suffered a lot of mental issues and according to her sister had postpartum depression and so on. does any of that in the end come into play? if you're guarding the white house or capitol itself, presumably you got to be on such ready alert for an attack, you don't really have time to think is this person a harmless woman who is suffering some form of depression or is she a terrorist? >> well, i think clearly, what has to happen is we rely on in training. let me clarify for the record, piers, i'm with national county sheriffs deputy, not the police department. i want to make that slight correction. when you think about mental illness and again, the training the officers undergo, we call it muscle memory. when you train hard and you train properly, it becomes something you do instantaneo instantaneously. monday morning quarterback is a little late. clearly the message we are using

is clearly questionable. is there a lesser degree of force when you deal with somebody dealing with a mental illness and hard to diagnose. clearly there has to be something said by one of your other guests is that -- the word panic. if the officers panicked, and under the extreme stress panic does not allow you for rational thinking because you're at such a stress level. so and that's where the training becomes very vital factor is that vital factor allows your muscle memory to kick in and do the things you were properly trained to do. panic cannot be a reason or excuse as to whey you didn't perform properly. >> listen, i'm grateful to you both for joining us and my sincere condolences. thank you both very much indeed for joining me. >> thank you. >> police and many others are defending the shooting and some say this is a clear case of excessive force and officers should not have opened fire.

i want to bring in marc lamont hill and cnn legal analyst and defense attorney danny and ben ferguson. ben ferguson, i want to go to you. i know where you'll come from. is anything you heard so far on this show given you any course to pause about your absolute certainty that the police did everything completely correctly here? >> well, you can also look at the tape afterwards and say is there things we can learn from this? but you're dealing with a woman that was at the white house, clipped an officer and then goes off. we don't know if this is a distraction for a terrorist attack or if she has a bomb in her car or trying to district from another attack and we know this is in the most sensitive area around government with a lot of tourist and people walking around and if she would have been someone with a bomb in the car people would have said they didn't take her out soon enough. they gave her an opportunity to give up in front of the capitol

by the fountain. she continued to run and use her car as a weapon. i don't think they had any other choice because you got to assume by the white house, by the capitol in this situation this could be a much, much, bigger threat. >> let me play a clip from mark o'mara. he was in the trayvon martin case, an attorney there. let's hear what he had to say about this thing, quite interest sglg had the police officers shot at her as they did when she first left the white house area it would be justified and during the chase i think it also would have been a justified shooting. when that car stopped and the woman got out, at that precise moment if the police didn't see an imminent threat to themselves and she did not turn on them and look like she was going for a gun, something to that point say the threat and immediate and imminent, maybe the police told have taken a breath -- >> it's an interesting break down by mark o'mara.

he's a smart guy. i've always been impressed and he takes us through the places he believes as a lawyer it would be justified to shoot her. he doesn't conclude in the end they might the right decision at the end. do you go along with that? >> well, it does give you something to think about. mark is an expert on lethal force, as we know, from the zimmerman case. the supreme court says deadly force snlt a grant any time a potential felon flees. there has to be belief of actual harm, probable cause. the thing that concerns me is of usually once flight is over, is someone a fleeing felon and is deadly force still authorized? you hear a lot of discussion could have been a bomb, could have been a bomb. that's not the way, we cannot approach law enforcement with the idea everybody could have a bomb. >> okay. >> now i will say this -- >> not saying that. >> they will not look -- that will not look at the facts

available to the officers at the time of and not engage in monday morning quarterbacking and that's a good thing. >> yeah, ben? >> you got to look -- you got to look -- >> monday -- >> hold on one second -- this isn't -- this is not some random place in america. this is the washington d.c. area where probably the most incredibly well-trained individuals are with threats towards the president, towards capitol hill -- >> let me play that very point. let me take that point to marc lamont hill. mark, it's obviously very, very difficult here to be too critical of the police, whichever way you view this but when you see mark o'mara taking us through this, my instinctive reaction is once i knew the -- more about this woman was okay, wow, this maybe didn't need to happen. you didn't need to shoot her dead. what is your reaction now we know so much more? >> knowing so much more makes it

more complicated and makes my heart strings get tugged a little bit but the police didn't have the benefit of knowing her history and background and didn't know whether or not she had a gun. i won't put that burden on the police. what i will say as mark o'mara said, there are moments the police could have thought their lives are in danger. you don't get a chance to shoot. so what i say is we need to investigate, dig further. i'm not willing to give the police the benefit of the doubt without investigation but also not willing to say the police did anything wrong yet and some of you said and i think ben said yes, many of us will be afraid, many of us in that moment may have made the same decision but we're not trained law enforcement officers. we are trained to have a higher level of quality. >> wait a second, i want to show you a bit of footage. this is from oregon that happened earlier in the summer. the video just came out this is a guy pulled over for speeding and three kids in the back of the car. he gets out. they tell him twice we want to

talk to you about the speeding. he advances towards them and opens fire. now he's a military guy. he gets hit himself. his body is found dead in the car a little later and the reason i'm playing that is while we can criticize the police for what happened yesterday and many people have done including me yesterday, when you see that footage, you can understand perhaps in a country swimming with guns that the police are going to be twitching in that situation and that's why i played that. thank you for joining me. thank you very much. next, how lawmakers reacted to the d.c. chase and shooting have a lot of people talking. debbie schultz and marshall black burg join me, that and of course the shutdown showdown. [ male announcer ] this store knows how to handle a saturday crowd.

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police. [ applause ] >> lawmakers in the house praising the police after yesterday's deadly shooting. was that the right thing to do? and it comes on day four of the shutdown showdown. the chairwoman of the democratic national committee and republican congresswoman marsha blackburn. debbie, let me start with you. obviously, again with the benefit of hind slight it's slightly great to see a standing ovation being given to police officers who have, as we know now, shot dead an unarmed woman suffering perhaps from postpartum depression. what do you think of this story? obviously, it complicated and you don't want to be too critical of the police, but what

do you think? >> first of all, those capitol police officers deserved our thanks and our appreciation in every bit of the standing ovation because they lay their lives on the line every day and we work in a building that's one of the highest targets in the world and as we've seen, there is really a constant threat, virtually all the time. we had capitol police officers shot to death, you know, in the united states capitol it self-. two weeks ago we had a mass murderer on the navy yard just two -- you know, 2 miles from the capitol. to second guess the actions of the capitol police officers would be totally wrong and i inappropriate and look, those officers knew that the woman rammed the barricade at the white house. she not only after they surrounded her car with weapons drawn, backed up and fled some more, hurt two officers with her vehicle and, you know, anywhere

in the world we've seen vehicles used as weapons, particularly in the last number of years. so i think the last thing we should do is second guess reactions. >> okay, i want to turn to you marsha. there is a website called congress still getting paid.com which actually has an update. there we are. this is how much congress has been paid since the start of the shutdown. 985,610, 11, $12. it goes on. a huge amount of money with 800,000 people furloughed and many millions more suffering from this from -- and we'll hear from some of them later and where does this end? at the moment the general view seems to be look, the republicans had your fun but get real. let's get it over. let's get on the debt ceiling and get serious and be grown up pop tig politicians. >> i tell you that's what we're trying to do. republicans pass a budget in the

house. we have worked toward a continuing resolution to address this issue. by the way, we're doing that because of not completing the budget process. it takes both chambers and administration to do that, and what we are doing is basically going through the appropriations process, which is winding the budget out and getting it open bit by bit -- >> no, you're not marsha. >> yes, we are -- >> you're -- >> that's exactly what we're doing. >> no, you're not. you're holding -- >> it's the responsibility of the house -- >> i have no -- >> it's the responsibility of the house. >> let me finish -- >> to get the budget -- >> let me jump in. i can't vote either way. so i have a very nice take on this which is this is a ridiculous situation. obamacare, which is what this is about is a law, it's the mandate of the supreme court. it's had a mandate of an election for goodness sake and to use that to shut down the government is utterly

outrageous -- >> the issue -- >> and everybody knows it. >> the issue is over spending -- >> oh, come on. >> the house passed -- debbie, listen, they passed a resolution that would fund all of the government except that one portion of obamacare, then that was rejected. we came back and said, well, let's just delay it. the president has a delayed 19 provisions of the law, gave 1600 -- >> all right. let me bring debbie in here -- >> has taken the website down for repairs. >> okay. debbie, you're in the position of having me completely agree with everything you're probably about to say. it's purely because i listen senior republicans like john mccain saying how completely crackers this is. i also remember very vividly speaker boehner himself after the last election defeat by the republican saying obamacare is law and we have to swallow it. >> that's right. >> we lost the election. now suddenly that's not his

position and that to me is selfish, childish politics. >> here is the bottom line and it's simple. what we have to do tomorrow morning is go on the house floor, have the republicans put the clean continuing spending resolution on the floor to reopen the government completely. instead, what they are doing is holding the economy hostage and using obamacare as the ransom. that's basically what they did and whether it's defunding or repealing or delaying, there is no way around they are simply trying to extract and extort what they couldn't get when the bill was on the floor passed into law, when the president signed it, the supreme court upheld it and we had an election -- >> okay. >> and they are putting -- >> not. >> veterans against kids -- >> we have voted. >> excuse me, marsha, i didn't interrupt you. >> they are putting it against

head start, child cancer patients. let's open the entire government and stop this ir racial none sense. >> it's not -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> and what we need to do is make certain that we do our best and get this government back open and -- >> so let's open it tomorrow. >> and fiscally responsible manner. >> yes -- >> how can you look at me with a straight face marsha and use the word fiscally responsible -- >> piers, can i point something out -- >> $2 million a day -- >> marsha, if you want to debate spending levels. >> i got to bring to the a halt, marsha to look at me with a straight face and use the word fiscal responsibility, come off it. >> and close the government down. >> and shutting down the united states government. >> a million dollars a week. >> borrowing $2 billion a day is not fiscally responsible and

that's what we -- >> nor is shutting down the government, marsha. it's an established law. >> the fact that we have -- >> democrats have already agreed to the republicans number, which we oppose. >> get back in there tomorrow. >> it's the law. >> it was signed into law. >> the affordable care act is the law, let's abide by it. >> we have to get our house, our fiscal house in order in this country. $17 trillion worth of debt -- >> exactly so let's reopen the government and shop waisting. >> obamacare $2.6 trillion -- >> okay. >> which is made up. >> that is not -- no -- >> i have to sadly bring this to a halt. >> $81 a month in premiums. >> premiums are skyrocketing. >> ladies, i have to bring it to a halt. >> that's not true. >> i think most people agree with it. so let's just get it back running. silly. coming up next, more on the

shutdown. more people feeling the pinch and more money for nothing. how members of congress are making the shut down. in the last few minutes racing ahead. we'll be back after the break. i was made to work.

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i want to take a moment to highlight the real victims of the shutdown, not just furloughed employees but small businesses are feeling the pinch. a bartender at maxwells here in new york. it is an empty bar that you're in. just pure fact terms, how much business have you lost in the last three days? >> hey, how are you piers? i'm guessing 50% down with federal employees usually come in for happy hour. we usually have tables from 15 to 18 on wards and since the federal shutdown, we got nothing at all. it's really affecting business. i got a wife and daughter to feed, you know what i mean? i have to pay my tax at the end of the month and what is going on is ridiculous to me. if i could say something to mr.

john boehner, get your finger at me, a man's face here you need to get on top of what is going on and cut out the schoolyard tactics. we got a business to run. a lot of people are affected by this. >> just to point out, paul, you're next to the federal building there in lower manhattan and that's why it's so relevant. paul, i got to leave it there. you hit the nail on the head there. let me bring in matt welsh. the editor and chief of decoration independence, how politics, what is wrong with america and kelly ann conway and marc lamont hill matt welsh, i hear these stories every night now simple little stories, they will get this money back. he's not a furloughed employee at the end of the day will get a check. he gets nothing, just loses business. >> i'm as objectively probar as anybody setting at this table but i don't think the object of a federal government and

spending is based on making sure that bars in new york are open and i say this against the government shutdown. >> it's about keeping the economy flowing. >> of course it does. >> the economy doesn't begin with the government being in business. that is not where the economy flows from. again, the government should be -- >> the economy flows when people spend money. >> true, but, you know. >> they aren't spending money. you can't -- >> washington d.c. where i moved a year and a half ago is absolutely flushed. >> flushed. >> i've never seen a police quicker than d.c. i'm not sure that's good for the health of the country. there is bars empty. >> they are working, not drinking. >> the idea john boehner doesn't know a working man's face, he grew up above a bar as one of 14 children. >> why doesn't he get into a bar with barack obama and do business? >> because barack obama won't show up. look at your great -- president

clinton, you can't -- piers, you can't to john harwood say in the span of the same paragraph i'm quote willing to negotiate with anybody on anything and say by the way, we're not going to negotiate until we get past what i want them to do. to lead us to negotiate as peggy pointed out today, not always to negotiate is to lead but i believe the president needs to be more engaged here. he runs the risk of looking disengaged from the process and somehow become some big argument between the tea party and moderate republicans. this is serious stuff and need all branchs involved. >> marc lamont hill, as usual shaking your head. here is reality. i actually think the president is not a great negotiator and he can be lofty about this and say let them suffer and we'll win in the end. at the same time, i think it's about splitting the republican party, tea party, ted cruz led this from start to finish. >> there is no doubt. i've spoken to members of the house and senate off the record. they all said the same thing, john boehner is operating out of

fear here and people like ted cruz are hijacking the party. there is a split between moderates and extremist and i agree president obama should be taking on for the democrats because he has the least to lose. the more vulnerable the democrats are in the 2014 elections and could end up as vulnerable as republicans. i disagree with the earlier point. president obama should not negotiate with john boehner anywhere. the fact of the matter is republicans are asking barack obama to unhinge his signature establishment -- >> wait, wait, wait, let me stop you there. i think that's the wrong approach. i think he has to sit down and negotiate. he can't give in on obamacare. get in a room and make it something else. >> but -- >> i'm running out of time. >> that's what they want, pierce. >> running out of time. i want a prediction, when will this end, quickly? >> six days. >> october 17th or earlier. >> marc lamont hill? >> october 17th.

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israel. with benjamin netanyahu covers a lot of ground from the first meeting to surprising comments on iran and that's where we begin. if president ruhani picked up the phone, what would you say? >> you want the sanctions lifted, stop your nuclear program. why do you need under ground bunkers? why do you need icbms, ent -- we miss ls that reach israel. why do you need to enrich you are rain yum. 17 countries, canada, mexico, sweden, spain, switzerland, indones indones indonesia, they don't have

enrichment, because enrichment is what you need for nuclear weapons. >> were you satisfied with what president obama told you? >> he said his goal is to prevent iran prom developing nuclear weapons. he said the words must be matched by transparent verifiable and meaningful actions. he didn't say to assad, well, give us 20% of your chemical weapons and we'll see about the rest. complete shutdown. complete dismantling and then and only then do you go to the next step and i think that's what you need to do here. >> were you happy that having set the red line as president obama did about the use of chemical weapons, he didn't then take military action? >> look, the military action is not a goal, it's a means. the goal is to dismantle iran and serious chemical weapons.

the goal is not to take military action in iran. the goal is to get rid of the uranium nuclear program. if you can't, it has to be achieved because we can't let the iranian regime that's the preimminent terrorist regime as we speak conducting terrorism all over the place helping us murder thousands, tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children and so many other things averting every possible regime in the middle east. you can't let such a regime have nuclear weapons. that's what iran failed to offer so far. rouhani offered smiles as before and offered frowns. >> you call him the wolf in wolves clothing and you say rouhani is the wolf in sheep's clothing. >> right. >> you're not buying the

friendly face? >> no, i want to see it backed with action. i want to see the real boss, i mean both of them serve vants, faithful serve vents. >> when i interviewed him he refused to say there was a holocaust. rouhani said the nazis committed a great crime against the jewish people. >> that's great. what human progress. he actually acknowledged the 6 million jews. >> does it mean anything he at least has taken that step? >> it would mean something if he would take -- it would mean nothing if they continue the nuclear weapons program. it would mean a great deal if they stop it because iran while acknowledging or not is planning

a holocaust for 6 million more jews, that's how many live in israel. >> you want to speak directly to the iranian people. what were you thinking when you did that interview and was it successful? >> it was very meaningful for me and very moving because i've never done that before, but of course, it's not speaking directly to the iranian people because the iranian regime jams this. so some of it seeps through and i'm sure some of them will hear it. but it's like rouhani's tweets in new york but doesn't let them tweet in tyran. what i said and i hope it does get heard in iran, i said look, it's not really we in israel who have a steak in preventing this regime that calls for having nuclear weapons, it's not only the united states that has such

an interest because, you know, we're the small sake. america is the great state. we're a small america on their road for global domination. it's not only israel and america at stake and the arabs, just about all of them except assad and the europeans, it's also you, the iranian people because if if they get nuclear weapons that will last forever like north korea, i'm mortal and you will always be slaves to them. if you want to have the future i believe the great persian people can have, this is a great civilization. they can be a great nation again. they have to get rid of this medieval brutal thing and that will not happen if they have nuclear weapons. >> do you have your own red line with iran? and if so, what is it?

>> simply put, piers, iran won't have nuclear weapons. >> if you get concrete evidence. >> nuclear weapons capability. >> if you get evidence that they have got that capability, is that your red line and would you hesitate to take military action? >> i wouldn't hesitate at all and that but i hope it doesn't come to that because we prefer a peaceful solution. we prefer diplomacy. anybody in his right mind would but you want a real solution. >> president clinton told me when he did business with vladimir putin, they would get in a room and kick everybody out and go man to man and be brutally said, bang, bang, bang on both sides and reach points of agreement and he said putin never let him down and never went back on his word when it was just the two of them. can you envision that kind of

meeting with say rouhani? >> he is deceiving us. here is what he said. he was iran's nuclear negotiator between 2003 and 2005. i brought you the book. he's an open book. >> thank you very much. >> he says while we talked to the europeans in tyron we installed equipment, that's a crucial facility for their production of nuclear weapons. by creating a calm environment, calm international environment, we were able to complete the work. did you hear what he said? he said listen, i fooled them. he brags about it. well, you know, to say fool me once, fool me twice, who cares what the smiles are. who cares what the words are. we do care because the words are often contradicted by facts but it's not the style but the substance. >> next, more on my conversation

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i was told by a very good source you're very first meeting with president obama was when he was a senator at washington airport. >> right. >> and you literally went off into a little side room. >> right. >> you were the leader of the opposition and he was a rising senator and you thought it was

good to meet and the sole top pick was sanctions in iran back in 2006, 7. >> that's right. we met in washington national airport. i think regan airport, and the only place we could meet was a superintendent's office and i had my wife and a few of high staff wi -- my staff with me and he said what is the main he said what is the main issue with iran? i said you got to put sanctions on them because that might stop them. in my it's not enough. you still need a military threat. but crippling sanctions could be the way to stop them peacefully. two things happened when i left that meeting. first is i said to my staff, we just met the next president of the united states. and they said well, you've lived in america but you don't know america. i said, we'll see. so that's the first thing that happened. the second thing that happened was that a week later, he had a

sanctioning bill. senator barack obama had a sanctions bill. so we've been pushing the sanctions effectively up until now. we've got them on the ropes. their economy is about to collapse. they've moved their program up. they're almost there at threshold level but almost about to collapse. in comes rouhani. take away the sanctions. no way. you take away the whole thing and then we take away the sanctions. that's my message. don't leave them with a partial capability to achieve nuclear weapons. that's bad for the world. >> people always try to draw a division between you and the president of the united states. barack obama has been there quite a few years now. what is the reality of your relationship. i was fascinated by that first meet you can had. you clearly saw the potential in him. has he reached his potential?

what does he look like from the israeli perspective? >> he's trying to do the best for the united states. i'm trying to do the best for israel. i don't think our interests are inimicable. israel doesn't have a better friend. we in israel we don't have any better friends than the united states of america. it's a very solid alliance. >> it's never been so much turmoil in my lifetime in the middle east with so many countries unstable, and many more may go that way. jordan, for example, right on your doorstep may go that way, too. egypt, syria and so on. do you feel more vulnerable as a result of all the turmoil? and how do you see it all playing out? >> it's a big problem, obviously. because it's awn stable region. and we're stable because we're based on very solid foundations. we're a people that's been attached to this land for since the time of abraham. that's nearly 4,000 years. but in addition, we've espoused

the modern traditions of a democratic state, of pluralism, of open debate, of a free press. so we have that stability. we've got one hell of an economy to boot. so we've got technology and cyber and entrepreneurships. we're okay. and i make sure that as some people call it the jungle doesn't penetrate, you know? it sends a poison weed to cut it off. somebody tries to arm hezbollah with the latest iranian or russian weapons, we've drawn a red line. we keep that line. the same is true of our other borders. so we maintain our security. but we also know that that instability around us could be very damaging to all of us. the anchors of our security have been peace with egypt that was threatened. i think it may be back on track

now. peace with jordan that is very much -- is very precious to us. and we value it. and we do everything we can to keep it. and we want to achieve a real peace with the palestinians that enables us to defend our country in case the peace unravels but also gives a chance for our children and their children to have a different future. these are daunting tasks. but i don't lose sight of it. and given what is happening in the region, and in the world, well, israel is not doing badly. my job is to make sure that we keep on doing well. because we haven't traveled these 4,000 years of history to have the likes of the ayatollahs end our story. they won't. i won't let it happen. >> prime minister, very good to see you. >> thank you. thank you, piers. >> thank you for your time. just one squeeze? just enjoy it with your eyes. [ female announcer ] new charmin ultra soft is so soft,

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