that government shutdown. but congress passing a back pay for the federal furloughed workers. >> let's go to fredricka whitfield waiting to start the next hour of "newsroom." the shutdown continues on day four and now day five. that's right and we're going to continue to watch. perhaps we'll hear from other representatives of the u.s. government. i.e., the president or even other members of congress later in the morning. and we're also keeping a close watch on lots of severe weather making the news this weekend. people on the gulf coast are bracing for tropical storm karen, while people in the heart of the country are trying to recover from a blast of storms. tornadoes hitting in three states and a destructive october snowstorm slamming another. plus, we'll talk about new developments in the biker investigation. one source tells cnn an off duty

police officer was among the group. if so, why didn't that person step in to help. and the family of miriam carey is talking. she's the woman who was shot and killed in washington, d.c. after the chaotic chase near the white house and capitol building. her sisters are talking to cnn about miriam's mental state and why they want to conduct their own investigation. hello, everyone. welcome to the cnn "newsroom." i'm fredricka whitfield. the house just approved to a bill to give back pay to furloughed federal workers. house republicans are expected to speak shortly, and we expect to hear from democrats later on this hour. this measure is the latest move to ease some of the effects of the government shutdown. athena jones is joining us from capitol hill. what's happening this morning?

we heard the president yesterday say this is one of the peace meal deals that he would actually agree to. everything else he wants a full budget. >> exactly, fredricka. and we did expect the house to pass the bill. president said he would sign it. we don't know how soon the senate will vote on it. no votes are scheduled for today. we don't expect to hear much new. all week we've been hearing the same things. they want to bring to the vote a spending bill to fund the entire government. house republicans are choosing to take a peace meal approach, passing smaller bills funding specific programs. let's listen to some of the debate we heard on the floor of the house earlier today. this is from democratic rep elijah cummings followed by republican howell rogers. let's listen. >> today is day five of the shutdown created by the tea

party extremists who are harming our country by holding our government hostage. their placing our economy and our national security in jeopardy by waging an ideological wash to overturn the law of the land. >> the house has approved 15 different options to fund a government, sent them over to the senate. sadly the only response is a loud snore. >> so there you hear the arguments coming from both sides. now senate democrats say these smaller funding bills are dead on arrival because we want to pass a spending bill to reopen the government all together and then we'll talk about the budget issues of so much importance. that's not where things are standing now. and that's how it's been for the last several days here. we are on the fifth day of the shutdown. still totally unclear when it will end. we expect to put the question to the republican leaders that are coming to the mikes in just a

few minutes, fredricka. >> and so athena, how is the rest of the day expected to play out? will these lawmakers be on the hill all day trying to work something out? or is this the only activity and then we'll have a press conference and then they may resume another day. what do we expect? >> the house is finished with the business for today. and so we expect lawmakers to head home to their districts. i spoke with a represent v from tennessee. a republican planning to head home and have a series there. the senate is in, but no votes are scheduled. there could be speeches on the floor. so that's what's going on. in terms of what may be going on behind closed doors, they are hoping the discussions are happening. but certainly no public movement and no real sense of when this is going do change. >> athena jones, thank you so much. when some of those lawmakers take to the microphones we'll take that live and monitor their

comments for you, and this programming note. republican texas senator ted cruz is talking exclusively about the government shutdown sunday on "state of the union" with candy crowley at 9:00 a.m. and noon eastern time. the plain states were hit hard by storms overnight. we're getting reports of as many as 18 tornadoes touching down in three states, iowa, second degree and nebraska. in wayne, nebraska, a tornado destroyed as many as a dozen homes and fortunately no one was killed. and if you are wondering, it is rare to see a tornado this time of year. but not completely unheard of. the storm also knocked out power to half the residents of rapid city, south dakota. nebraska isn't the only state getting hum eled with severe weather. from california to the midwest and down to the gulf of mexico. rough weather is sweeping across

the u.s. alexandra steele, very busy in the cnn severe weather center. so some states hit by the tornadic activity, and then we're also talking about snow in others. >> yes. you know, fred, it's really the weather trifecta playing around the country. of course the snow we've been talking about. another 15 to 20 inches potentially. of course the tornados that we saw. again 18 potentially. six thus far have been confirmed in three states. and also a fire threat that's pretty dramatic in southern california. so let's walk you through it, show you some images, and let's start off with the snow. incredible snowfall totals. look at this picture in wyoming. heavy, wet snow once again today. eastern wyoming, western south dakota. the bulls eye today, rapid city, south dakota, making it a top ten potentially snowfall. coupled with this the winds are ferocious. 40 to 50-mile-per-hour winds and blizzard conditions there. now to the tornado threat.

we saw it yesterday. today it's certainly not quite as robust but the threat has moved east ward. again, 18 preliminary reports. six thus far have been confirmed in three states. uncommon but certainly not unheard of. we had 11 in october in 2001. the national weather service is out doing a post-storm survey to assess the damage. and now further west to southern cal. the fire threat is there of course, october is fire season. santa ana winds howling. the winds could really push any small fire out of control already. 77-mile-per-hour winds in laguna park and ventura county. 52-mile-per-hour winds in los angeles county, fred. so that has just begun to exacerbate the troubles with the fires that are already present there, fred. >> nasty stuff.

and then we're not done with the weather scene. there's more we talked about and alluded to the activity in the gulf. this could be heating southeastern louisiana later on this evening. the good news here, it has broken up quite a bit. the hurricane watch has been residential areas are being warmed of dangerous storm surges. cnn's andrea peterson has more on that. the beach looks beautiful. is this tanning weather now? >> you know, there's definitely something still threatening. it's definitely not as strong as we saw before. we definitely have the concern. the one thing that happened that is so good is the system slowed

down. but again the key ingredient is the system begins to take apart. fortunately now it slowed down. only 7 miles per hour. it's making its way to the center. the center is making its way north. meanwhile the winds are whipping the other side off to the east. so it's almost like tearing this guy apart. there was a thought it would faster thrgh the region and not get unundated by the breaking apart. it's still expected to do that. if it had done quicker it would be holding together stronger. that's not what's going on. it's slowed down more in the lay latest update. they still have the actual warning within 36 hours. they're going to see strong winds and heavy rain in the area. then does it hold together at

all? either way by tomorrow it will weak on the a depression. and then maybe here over towards pensacola, florida. hoe fast does it continue to move? slow. if so, the conditions look better for the rest of us. >> very good. it's encouraging news that it is breaking up. we also know with this kind of storm could still bring storm surges and flooding. andrea peterson, thanks so much. appreciate it. let's head north to new york and new developments in the clash between a group of bikers and the driver of an suv. two bikers being accused in the violent incident turned themselves into police. one of them is the man seen right there pounding the glass with his helmet. bikers soon after that taped incident apparently dragged the

driver from that suv and then beat him. cnn's margaret connelly is covering this for us in new york. so margaret, what more do we know about the two men who have turned themselves? what kind of charges and where is the investigation going? >> they did turn themselves in. one is still in custody. reginald chance is the one in the video seen using his helmet smashing the window of the car. it took place right here. this is four blocks from west 178th street. the bikers then caught up with him and used the helmet to smash the windows of that car. now reginald turns himself in. he's still being questioned and the charges for him are pending. the other man, robert simms. he was the biker you saw going up to the suv, getting off his bike in the middle of the road and opening up the door in the

middle of the road. he has been charged with atte t attempted assault in the first degree. gang assault in the second-degree and criminal possession of a weapon. fred? >> and so an official says, margaret, that an offduty police officer may have been riding with the group and saw the confrontation. do we know if that was true and what was the person's role in all of this? >> right. susan candiotti reported one off-duty police officer was riding in the group. but he's just part of the motorcycle group. he could be a key witness, because we're being told that he not only saw the suv hit the biker but he also saw the

beating. there's a lot of questions about why we're just hearing about this now. we didn't know about this until wednesday. there are a lot of questions about why it's been four days. >> margaret connelly, thanks so much. keep us posted. >> the sisters of suspected d.c. shooter miriam carey says she was treated for post partum depression with psychosis but she was not delusional. they are still trying to put the pieces together of exactly what happened in the nation's capitol. miriam carey drove her car into a white house barricade before leading police on a chase to the capitol. she was then shot and killed. her 1-year-old was still in the car. the 1-year-old was okay, not shot. her sisters talked to anderson cooper about her initial diagnosis. >> it wasn't something

displayed. it was a momentary breakdown when she had to have emergency care. once she understood the diagnosis, she moved the forward. she had her challenges as a new parent. i am a parent. i have two children. she had questions. we dealt with that as a family. but there was nothing out of the ordinary. >> did she seem in recent days to be off medication or unstable? >> no. she didn't appear to be unstable. >> the care she got when she had the psychosis and the the depression, how long ago was that? >> the diagnosis came a little after the birth of her daughter. >> and her daughter is about a year old. is that correct? >> her daughter is 1-year-old. i did recently ask her about the medication. i talked to her often about that. and she told me that the doctors

tole her she didn't need the medication anymore because the plan was to come off the medication within a year. and they were confident that she was better. they tapered her off her medication, and she said she felt fine. >> do you know for a fact that was something the doctors recommended, that she get off the medication? or is that something she told you? >> is what the plan was. the plan of care for a patient that has depression with psychosis is medication and treatment and not to have long-term medication like a bipolar or schizophrenic. she didn't have prior history of any type. so that is why they told her one year. and they did go with that plan. >> shooting victim miriam carey's family want to know if d.c. police followed protocol when shooting miriam. they say they're going to conduct their own investigation to see what happened exactly.

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just about 20 minutes ago or so the house voted to give back pay to federal furloughed workers. most americans don't realize in the final bill all we asked for is the senate to sit down and that didn't happen. i read and saw where the president canceled his trip to asia. if he's here this weekend, we are here this weekend. this can all end. all the president has to do is sit down along with the senate democrats and we can move forward. so let's recap what has gone on this week. on wednesday the house pass ed

funding our guard and reserves. funding our veterans. friday we passed the national emergency disaster recovery act. and today as a leader said, we make sure all the federal employees and also made sure the military was able to have service on sunday. the senate, wednesday no roll call votes. thursday no roll call votes. friday no roll call votes. but they have worked. they did adopt the national chess week. this has got to stop. everyone hurts in a shutdown. we never desire to shut down. we never ask for a shutdown f that's why we fully funded the government. we continue to fund the government each and every day as we go forward. i think now is the time, since everyone is in town. to pick up the phone torks work

together and to solve the problem. >> while senate democrats and the president -- >> you're listening to the gop leadership on capitol hill talk about one measure approved by the house today. but you also heard partial initiatives that were made that have not been able to pass through congress. opening national parks, funding nih. the national recovery act and you heard earlier senator eric cantor. he spoke just before, talk about still wanting to sit down with the president to negotiate further. let's talk about where we are as it pertains to the budget, the government shutdown. what's on the agenda? let's talk further about this. we have two guests with us now. we have cnn political

commentators donna brazile and will cain both joining us now. so you're hearing from the gop leadership right now. donna. there have been partial measures initiated but till snoeg. you heard the president reiterate yesterday, no, we're not looking for peace deal meals. we're looking for a budget. are we at an impasse? if so for how much longer? >> i know. maybe when they come next week we can proceed for a discharge motion in the house that takes seven legislative days. the earliest is october 14th when house democrats i long with republicans like dennis ross, a tea party member from florida, 19 of them can join with the democrats and we can have a clean bill. the senate can take it up and then we can get back to whatever normal looks like in washington, d.c. look, this back and for, back and forth like volleyball, it's, you know, it's childish.

it's stupid. if they want to go to the white house and have coffee and deliberate longer, fine. but we need a bill to continue to fund the government, reopen the government and then focus on the debt ceiling. that's the next crisis. >> and so will cain, this is getting the to be a broken record, is it not? everyone is in agreement. they're frustrated with hearing the same kind of jargon from either side. whether it be house or is that the, republican or democrat. >> donna just answered your question. first, donna said she doesn't know when this is going to end. no one knows when thises going to end. this is a day-by-day issue. the president's position is clearly -- and the senate's position is clearly we're not doing anything unless you give us a clean continuing resolution to fund the government. no attempts to defund obama

care. that's fascinating. that's a flat out admission we will not negotiate. the position is initially this. this will end when we stop arguing, when you stop debating us and you just do what we want. that's best for the country. if we just do what democrats want, that's best for everyone. >> democrats would say that about the republicans. that's the jargon we're using. we want change in health care in health care and obama care. we're not going back to the status quo, will. we're not going back to debating a law that now the supreme court has reviewed and said is constitutional. we're not going back. so that is the position. it's the law of the land. if you want to continue to make changes or to try to defund it go ahead and do that. don't hold the united states of america, the reputation of the country, don't hold the american people hostage while you try to deny medical care to people who are uninsured and need access to

health care. >> okay, a couple of points. the fact that they found it constitutional has no merits on this debate. it has nothing to do with it. let's go back to bush v. gore. >> i didn't interrupt you. >> the issue is, is this the appropriate time to have the debate? and one more vote on health care when it's holding up everything else. the progress of everything from people getting loans, from children getting meals to the elderly getting care. is this really the appropriate time in which to attack health care? the health care law? >> yes. >> why yes? >> i'm going to tell you. i'm going to tell you guys why this is the appropriate time. let me explain to you something. the fact that there's a government shutdown seems to be completely lost on most of america. the markets have only lost 1% this week. most people outside the washington, d.c. and new york city media and political bubble woke up this week, and you know

what they did? they went about their livesful just like they did the day before. this idea we can't live without the government is the falsehood that's being exposed. this is an argument against your side that is suggesting like a mafia protection racket you really need us. things go really poorly when we're not here. that's a complete and utter falsehoo falsehood. >> that's a boldface law. >> then 30 days later it's a direct argument? >> why is now the time? >> the medimmediate need of thi. some may feel it the next week. the week after. is that not important enough? >> no, it is important. >> as a taxpayer, i want my government to work for everybody. as a small business owner, i want my government to work. as a taxpayer, i want those

workers to inspect the food coming into the markets. i want the air traffic controllers to know when i'm flying and you're flying that we're safe in the skies. i believe we should let the american people get back to work. those who work in the public sector. this notion that it's not impacting people outside the beltway, that's crap. i've been in nebraska, minnesota, georgia, florida, and north carolina this weekend, and in every local newspaper they talk about the impact. whether on head start or the local military basis where people, the civilian workers who are working all sides are working. they're this is hurting the economy. and we should find ways to end the shut down now. >> there's no evidence on that. >> it's so demeaning to continue to tell the american people you can't live without the government. you can't move on without the government. i didn't answer your direct question. i'm sorry going to tell you why.

yours and donna's point that there's an election. it's a worthy point. the president was reelected with this part of the agenda, but it doesn't end the debate. and congress's constitutional duty is to fund laws. it's not just to say it's the law and it's over. and those represent a very good portion of this country. they have said we don't want to fund this very unpopular law. >> and it's often -- >> and it's up to the government to keep things working. there's an incredible impasse. >> and i respect their right. fredricka, i worked on capitol hill. i respect their right to debate. i understand minority rights. what i don't understand is they are putting not just barricades but obstacles over the economy growing, and because they oppose this law, a law that has an individual mandate that every republican going back to richard nixon, the heritage foundation,

they're throwing cold water over a bill to help save people's lives. >> all right. i have to leave it there. donna brazile, i know we're going to have this conversation again. >> i respect will cain. he's an awful republican. >> thank you. >> thanks so much to both of you. appreciate that. on this programming note. republican texas senator ted cruz is talking exclusively about the the government shutdown tomorrow on "state of the union" with candy crowley. my customers can shop around. but it doesn't usually work that way with health care.

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the takes just got higher for a woman accused of pushing

her husband off a cliff. >> fred, a not guilty plea to first-degree murder charges for newlywed killer jordan graham. prosecutors originally charged graham with second-degree murder for pushing her husband cody johnson off this cliff. no a grand jury has added the charge of premeditated first-degree murder, which carries a minimum sentence of life in prison. the couple was only married for eight days when they got into a fight on july 7th. still upset they decided to take a hike where the fighting continuing. things got physical and johnson pushed her husband in the back, sending him face first off a cliff. she admitted to pushing johnson off the cliff in a fit of anger. the attorneys say it was all an accident. and graham was allowed to live here with her parents under home

confinement, where she remains today. levi has known them since childhood. levi introduced the couple. levi says the bride-to-be was acting strangely before they walked down the aisle. >> she was crying hysterically before they got to the altar. there was no joy that she was about to get married. >> after her husband's death they say they noticed more strange behavior from the widowed bride. >> whenever i saw her she was just herself. nothing happened. no emotion. nothing. it was her same old life. so we always had that bit in the back of our mind saying i think she may be involved. >> graham is also charged with making false statements about her husband's death for ctellin a story about a trip with out of town friends. >> thanks so much. >> all right, he's an outspoken

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to weaken to a tropical depression tomorrow. and iran's supreme leader is talking about if recent phone call between iran's president and president obama. iran's official news agency reports that he praise e e ed t efforts. the phone call was the first time the president of iran and the u.s. had spoken since 1979. and number three, nato-led forces in afghanistan are investigating reports that an air strike killed a group of civilians. the strikes were meant for five ensur gents. five people were killed while sitting in the garden. it's not known if they were civilians or insurgents. a nato investigation didn't confirm any casualties. andie former governor jesse

ventura may run for president in 2014. he said, quote, maybe. ventura said he's a member of no party and he called for the abolishment of political parties. if ventura runs, he wants his running mate to be radio host howard stern. and number five, the house. the house just voted to give back pay to federal worker who is are furloughed in the government shutdown. the measure now goes to the senate whether will start at noon eastern time today. it doesn't appear either side is closer to agreeing on a bigger spending plan to end the government shutdown. the democratic house leaders are expected to come out and speak soon. we just heard from the gop leadership less than 15 minutes or so ago. democrats are up next. we'll take that live. all right. if you think that iphone's siri is a computer generated voice, you would be mistaken. it's actually a real person.

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just about 40 minutes tago the house voted on a measure to give backpay to furloughed federal workers. thousand the members of the democratic leadership, nancy pelosi. let's listen in. >> 200 democrats assigned a letter and others who will vote with us, but some just don't sign letters.

i want to add. at the beginning of this year the speaker said he wanted regular order. he said that at the white house. he said that all along. he wanted regular order. and that regular order means when the house passes a bill, which it does, and the senate passes a bill, which it has, then you go to conference. and then he said, after that, he said under the rule, and so he didn't appoint conferees. why are you not appointing conferees? his statement was under the rules if you appoint conferees and after 20 days there's no agreement, the minority has a right to offer motions to instruct, which become politically motivated bombs to throw up on the house floor. so to be frank with all of you, we're following what i would describe as a remember order. well, to be frank with him the

regular order is not how he designs it. it's the regular order of the house. under the rules, any member would have the privilege to bring up the senate position. mr. van halen spoke to that issue on the floor the other day. so, in public and otherwise the speaker has said that his concern is the motion to instruct. today the minority to the speaker of the house. if you will agree to move the conference to a final discussion for this final year, we will not offer any motions to instruct. this is news, my friends.

please recognize it as such. the speaker said that's the concern. we want to take it off the table. so today we are giving republicans yet another opportunity to end their shutdown. the very opportunity that the speaker has been asking for. thank you. we have accepted their number, as unpleasant as that is for us to do. and we have voted to pay the federal employees for not working. why don't we pay them for working by opening government? we can have it opened over this weekend and certainly in full force by monday. our employees want to work. the american people want government to be open.

and it's in everyone's interest that the speaker accept the offer of nearly 200 votes. and not to offer motions to instruct. we have tried to accommodate and relay their concerns. let's open government. give us a vote, mr. speaker. and now i'm pleased to yield to the distinguished democratic -- >> you're listening to nancy pelosi giving a real challenge to the house leadership, saying let's go ahead with a short-term measure. a short-term bill, she says, while the house has gone ahead and agreed to giving back pay to federal workers she says, why not go ahead and pay those workers to work. she also noted john boehner has been inconsistent on how they would agree upon voting him and

challenging him to get that caucus together and go for a short-term bill. we'll have much more on the back and forth on capitol hill as we get it. again, about 45 minutes ago the house did vote on a measure to give back pay to federal furloughed workers. meantime, something else we're watching. she's been a mysterious figure on the apple iphone. but now she's coming out of the shadows. meet the real siri. how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed much is the official retirement age. ♪ the question is how do you make sure you have the money you need to enjoy all of these years. ♪

heard the voice of siri on iphone. do you think it is a computer generated voice? most people do. believe it or not, it is a human being. the advice of siri introduced herself to the world in this red chair interview. >> hello, i am susan bennett. you probably know me. i am the voice actor that provided the voice for siri.

the first time i actually heard my voice as siri was when my friend e-mailed me and said isn't this you? >> not bad, only two meetings today. >> and because i didn't have the newest version of the iphone, i went to the apple site and that's where i heard the voice and i just went oh! hmm. that is me. >> siri, would you like to be interviewed by cnn? >> this is about you, susan, not me. >> i started my life as a machine quite young. i was the voice of tilly the all time teller, first atm machine. i am tilly the teller, i work for first national bank. the siri voices were recorded in 2005, in the month of july, four hours for the month. when i recorded those voices, i

had absolutely no idea where they would end up. my voice can be heard on many gps systems, many telephone systems. >> siri, who is the real voice of siri. when i first discovered that that way my voice, it was a little creepy. >> yes, it appears to be raining. >> i am used to hearing my voice in the airport. >> thank you for using delta airlines. >> but this real thing that you can interact with in your hand was a little -- it took some time for me to get used to it, but she and i are friends now. >> i am leaving now, siri, have a nice day. >> thank you, susan. i hope you have a nice day as well. >> that's susan bennett, or siri. thanks so much. we're going to have much more in the newsroom straight

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this week marks the first time people could enroll in the health insurance under the affordable care law. it also means that con artists were cashing in. zain asher has more on what to look out for to make sure you don't fall for a scam. >> reporter: hey, fred, the affordable care act really does represent a huge opportunity for scam artists and there are a number of scams we want to warn

viewers about. number one, watch out for fake state exchange websites. these are sites that may look like a stiet, may have the appearance, but they're not real. you type that website into the browser, misspell it by one letter, say it happens, and you're redirected to a fake site. be vigilant. bottom line, be safe, go to health care.gov and find the exact link to your exchange. i find this really scary, people i am person gaiting navigators. an impersonator may say here is $300, we will help you sign up. anybody asking you for money shall especially a navigator should be a huge red flag. watch for phrases like act now or limited time offer. and another thing, sadly seniors often become targets with these things. someone may call a senior, say

they'll lose coverage if they don't get a new medicare card and then they'll press for the social security number. bottom line, it is important to emphasize you don't need a brand new medicare card under the affordable care act. important people know this. tell their parents the same thing. and watch for companies offering cheaper alternative to insurance on the exchanges. these plans are bogus, falsely claim to exempt you from minimum insurance coverage requirements, and it is important to watch for them. bottom line, stick to federal exchanges if you're unsure. fred? >> great advice. thanks so much, zain asher. much more straight ahead in the newsroom and it all starts now. hello again, everyone, i am fredricka whitfield. here are the top stories we're following in the cnn newsroom. we are talking about new developments in the biker attack

investigation. an undercover police officer was said to be part of that group and saw what happened, and if it is true, why didn't that officer do something. plus tornadoes, snow, and a tropical storm, severe weather damage and threat to tell you about. and news breaking in the government shutdown. the house in a rare saturday session takes a vote, what lawmakers are doing to make sure hundreds of thousands of furloughed workers eventually get paid. new york city police desperately searching for this man, the one you're about to see. wanted for questioning in regards to that clash between a group of bikers and the driver of an suv. two bikers accused of being involved in that violent incident last weekend turned themselves in. one has been charged, the other, the man seen here, pounding his

helmet against the suv. that was right before some bikers dragged the driver from the suv and then beat him. i want to go straight to cnn's margaret conley in new york. margaret, what more do you know about the investigation? >> reporter: fredricka, two bikers turned themselves in, one involved in the most violent part of that incident that took place here on this corner behind me on west 178th street. that's where the suv driver was cornered and the biker smashed his window, pulling him out and then they beat him. investigators are still trying to piece together what happens. the motorcyclist seen here who repeatedly smashed this car window using his helmet with a family trapped inside has been identified. authorities have also found the motorcyclist that shot this helmet cam video showing how the incident escalated from the start. he was driving an suv on manhattan west side highway.

according to police, he struck a motorcycle that slowed in front of him, slightly injuring the rider. that's when other motorcyclists surrounded him. they hit and spiked the car's tires. as he escape, the car ran into three more bikers, including one critically injured. that's when motorcyclists gave chase, eventually cornering the suv and beating him in front of his wife and two-year-old daughter. we returned to the scene with a retired police officer, lou pal up bow, asked him how things went so wrong. >> they shut this road down. >> he puts the blame on the motorcyclists. >> see him driving normally in the center lane, about to see this motorcycle operator pull in front. he is going to slow down, turn and look back at him. i am curious, what precisely were you thinking at that moment you thought that would be appropriate. >> reporter: could the suv driver have done anything differently? >> in my opinion, he was in fear

for his life. he had a baby in the car. i don't think he believes he has any other option. >> reporter: so if the average person is driving the freeway and this happens to them, what's the advise you give to them? >> call 911, try to yield right of way to the bikes. the issue here is really the volume of motorcycles. the issue here is the operation of these motorcycles. >> reporter: one twist to the story is that an off duty police officer was on the scene riding his bike, said to be a key witness. he not only saw the suv driver hit the first bike but he also saw the beating. there are a lot of questions as to why it took him four days to come forward, and fred, we're hearing internal affairs are investigating. >> margaret conley, thanks so much. all right, the plain states hit hard by storms overnight.

there are reports of as many as 18 tornadoes touching down in three states, iowa, south dakota, nebraska. in wayne, nebraska, a tornado destroyed as many as a dozen homes. fortunately, no one was killed. also knocked out power to residents of rapid city, south dakota. nebraska isn't the only state hit by severe weather, from california to the midwest and down to the gulf of mexico, rough weather is sweeping across the country. alexandra steele is busy in the cnn severe weather center. we have a hodge podge of everything. i see snow flurries, windy conditions, everything. >> it is a weather trifecta. snow, tornadoes, and fire risk. we will start with the snow, where wave seen it and how much we have seen. it is an incredible amount. look at the pictures, wyoming more today, heavy, wet snow. saw it in eastern wyoming. western south dakota, the bull's

eye today, once again around rapid city, maybe another 10 to 15 inches, coming in as one of the top ten snowfalls. in addition to that, it is blustery. from snow to tornadoes, large, violent tornadoes. conditions were perfect for this. 18 reports of tornadoes, six have been confirmed in three states, iowa, nebraska, and south dakota. national weather service is going out today to do a post storm survey to assess damage. but it is not uncommon, it is, but we have heard of it in the past, in october, in 2001, 11 tornadoes. it does happen, although uncommon. to fires as well as we head farther west, october certainly not worthy for california wildfires, santa ana winds are howling. southern california this

weekend, red flag warnings are up. winds to push any small fire and become a monster fire. again, out of control potentially because winds are a factor. we have seen gusts between 50 and 77 miles per hour from venture a county to los angeles county. this again from santa barbara through l.a. and san diego. you can see where the red fires are and where the fire threat is today and will continue to be through the weekend. >> bad stuff. appreciate that. let's talk about more weather out there, the biggest weather maker this weekend could turn out to be a tropical storm by the name of karen. no longer a danger that it will become a hurricane. but residents on the gulf coast are still being warned. karen could hit southeast louisiana tonight. cnn's indra peterson is in pensacola with more on that and the kind of rain and storm surge that is expected. indra? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, what a difference from yesterday.

we were thinking the storm was borderline tropical storm, a strong tropical storm or weak category one hurricane. today it is down an entire level. this morning only has 40 miles per hour winds. 39 miles per hour. that's what makes it a tropical storm. we are pretty much borderline, tropical depression or tropical storm. the big thing that happened here, you have the center of a low making its way north. meanwhile, you have like the side winds way up high sheering it apart. you have the two breaking themselves apart. that's the problem. it is almost like a speed bump in the middle of the ocean. there was a time we thought it would speed quickly through it, and curve east, northeast. since it slowed to 7 miles per hour, it is breaking apart even more than expected. yes, we still have it as a tropical storm. there's currently a tropical storm warning out there for morgan city, louisiana. they're going to start feeling the effects. see the winds pick up. they're going to start to see heavy rain. by no means should it be

underestimated. the gulf has seen a lot of rain. some places 10 to 15, some places 20 inches above average. when you have that much rainfall, it takes less to rip the trees out of the ground and cause damage. typically you get damage that you would see in a higher storm because the ground is so saturated. that concern is there. think about louisiana. you have that low level elevation, doesn't take much in the way of storm surge. high amounts of rain in a short period of time, flooding concern is definitely there. we already talked about winds. timing, looking at overnight tonight into early hours of tomorrow for louisiana. then if it skims it and holds together, it will make the east, northeasterly turn. that's where conditions are more favorable. more likely it will hold together. if it holds together through tomorrow, most likely a depression and recommend nanlt low by the time it makes it here. escaping it, looks like, at this point. >> indra peterson, keep us

posted. it will be an interesting day and overnight situation in which to watch. thank you. onto washington. the house passed a bill today to approve back pay for federal workers who have been furloughed in the federal government shutdown. this is one plan that does have support from both sides of the aisle, including from president barack obama but the larger issue of ending the shutdown is still hanging over washington. jill dougherty is live at the white house. jill, the president said he would be okay with the back pay issue, there are other things that he is still demanding from capitol hill. what's on the agenda today for the president? >> reporter: absolutely. he does say he would sign that, but in an interview that he just gave this morning to the associated press, once again, he is putting the blame for all of this, the shutdown, on the shoulders of john boehner, the speaker of the house. in that interview he says, quote, we can vote to open the government today. we know that there are enough

members in the house of representatives, democrats and republicans, who are prepared to vote to reopen the government today. the only thing that is keeping this from happening is speaker boehner has made a decision that he is going to hold out to see if he can get additional concessions from us. so it sounds familiar. i mean, that is what the president has been saying, that's what the democrats have been saying. so where we go from here is not clear, whether they can really move the ball and really begin to change things. but so far it is a lot of now personal sparring between the president and mr. boehner. >> oh, boy. the hits just keep coming, don't they. jill dougherty, thanks so much, from the white house. this programming note. republican texas senator ted cruz talks exclusively about the government shutdown. he has been getting a lot of credit or blame for the way things panned out on capitol hill thus far.

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today. he gets upset because he loves coming here. >> reporter: this three-year-old suffers from autism. >> slow down. >> reporter: he has been getting regular speech therapy classes from this head start program in bridgeport, connecticut. he is too young to understand political bills and stale mates. all he knows is he can't come back to class. >> it is like they're punishing us. i don't like that. >> gotten a lot of phone calls asking why and what should they do. >> reporter: this program is one of 20 head start programs across the country at risk of closing because they expired the same day the shutdown began. those programs won't have access to new federal funds until the government reopens. >> i don't have head start dollars any more. >> reporter: that means closing the doors to more than 1,000 children. >> i am tired of the bickering, fussing, fighting, blaming obama, blaming it on obama care. obama care has nothing to do

with what we're going through now. >> reporter: with no children to care for, over 300 teachers here have been sent home without pay. >> my daughters are 20 and almost 18 say mom, we have never seen you without a job, what are you going to do. i said i don't know. >> reporter: empty head start classrooms are multiplying across the country, leaving potentially 19,000 without services. >> these are preschoolers, this is a heck of a way to learn government at 3 and 4 years old. >> reporter: it is another blow to a program that's already seen funds slashed by 5% due to forced budget cuts. parents and children protested on capitol hill this week, pleading with lawmakers for their mercy. meantime, maliki's mother worries without therapy he receives at head start, her son will regress. >> what's taking so long? why can't they come to agreement. why they rejecting this and rejecting that. you know, all we are concerned about is we need our daycare to be open. we're struggling out here and it

is not easy. >> mel no roe -- the parents in that piece has been unemployed, at one point was homeless. she hopes to start work as a school bus driver. unless the government reopens soon, she won't have anyone at head start to take care of her son. fredricka. >> thanks so much, zain asher, for bringing that point of view. another point of view, a different situation. the sisters of the woman that led d.c. police on a deadly car chase are speaking out and starting to question how police handled things. that story later. and two bikers allegedly linked to the clash between a motorcyclist and suv driver turned themselves in. our legal guys are on that case next. an unprecedented number of u.s. troops are surviving serious wounds and returning home from fighting in iraq and afghanistan. this week's cnn hero stepped in to help the wounded vets with housing, education, and job

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surely you've seen it by now, it is the video people can't stop talking about. bikers around an suv on a new york street earlier this week, the driver hitting three bikers in a pursuit to get away collectively. that's when the motorcyclists apparently chased the driver, eventually cornering the suv and then beating the driver, pulling him out of the car, then beating him in front of his wife and two-year-old daughter. two bikers we understand accused of being involved in the violent incident turned themselves into police. now we're hearing from one of the people who witnessed the

beating and helping to stop the attack. we're apparently hearing from that person, he exclusively spoke to cnn's anderson cooper. >> you were actually standing between one of the people that was hitting the guy with his helmet and the man on the floor, the driver. you stood between them? >> between them, yeah, there was many. >> were the motorcyclists saying anything back to you? >> yeah, one of them screaming, say with him on top of him, he said no, i said please stop, don't -- let it go. one of them, a short guy, he say no, because he run one of us. >> wow. so what's next in this case? let's bring in our legal guys, avery freeman joining us from cleveland, good to see you, richard herman, new york criminal defense attorney joining us from las vegas.

>> hey, fred. >> so the police commissioner is saying investigators have to determine whether the suv driver acted recklessly or whether his actions were justified. richard, how might they go about that? the videotape we keep seeing, we the public keep seeing, we see the bump between the driver and one of the motorcyclists who slows down, but what we don't see is everything that preceded that. >> i think, fred, that investigation is over. all you have to do, you have to look at the video and see what happened here. the driver, the rider on the bike slowed down. he caused the accident. his name is cruz. he caused it. he has been charged with menacing, reckless driving, endangering the welfare of a child. the liens had a child in the car. >> you say he caused it by slowing down, but in so many jurisdictions if a driver hits somebody from behind, that driver is at fault. isn't that what happened here?

whether the person slows down or not. >> if they caused accident, they caused it. this is henry hudson parkway. it is three lanes, it is very narrow. there are no shoulders there. that guy is intentionally slowing down, looking behind him, slowing down, he caused the accident, not the person that hit him from behind. he is the reason for this. >> avery? >> it is a little more complicated than that. i am in agreement on one part of it. i think it is predatory bike riding. they talk about an off duty cop. that's not an off duty cop, that's an undercover cop. that's why it took so long to disclose. a key witness. at the end of the day. >> that's different. >> it is different. i think he was monitoring the bikers, i think lien, the driver of the suv won't be charged with a crime. the question is for one of the bikers hit, is there a claim against the driver and that's mystifying how someone brings a claim against the driver who is

trying to escape for his life and the life of his family. >> a lot happened based on the videotape. everything from the bump, that's going to be in dispute, whether it was intentional or not, then proceeding. then the driver feeling intimidated or fearful with his wife and child in the car at another juncture where apparently the bikes were then surrounded, then took off running over, at least one of the bikers. it would seem there is a cascading of events. seems as though, richard, there would be a lot of charges going a lot of different directions and perhaps including the driver because he left the scene of a crime after running over somebody. >> the driver of the suv will never be charged with anything, fred. he did what any normal, reasonable person would do in that circumstance. he has his wife, child in the car. there's about 100 bikers popping their wheels, screaming at him, surrounding him on the henry

hudson parkway. >> none of whom will testify. >> he feared for his life. i would have taken ten of them out if i was driving that suv. he is lucky only one person got injured. >> i don't know about that. >> these people are terrorists, they're animals, should all be arrested. >> my goodness. avery -- >> there should be multiple arrests. >> the truth is there were a handful of people that were engaged in predatory stuff here, and not all of them, the bottom line, two charged, there will be a couple others charged. the driver, fredricka, is not charged, shouldn't be, he was fighting for his life, trying to protect his family. that's how we see it, that's what's going to happen here. >> it is interesting to see where this will go. there are a lot of unanswered questions. you guys are often right when you call it. so we'll take your word for it. we'll see you again in about 20 minutes to talk about a family feud involving a radio legend who is now suffering from

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here are five things crossing cnn news desk. on capitol hill, the house unanimously passed a resolution to give back pay to federal workers furloughed in the government shutdown. the measure goes to the senate next. house republicans predict the shutdown will go on for weeks. number two. mixed feelings from iran's supreme ruler about the olive branch between his country and the u.s. he talked about roe -- the recent trip and visit with obama. he says he is optimistic about the government's diplomatic effort but pessimistic about the u.s. calling washington untrustworthy. and rare, late year storms hit the plain states overnight. there are reports of as many as 18 tornadoes touching down in

three states. iowa, south dakota, nebraska. in wayne, nebraska, a tornado destroyed as many as a dozen homes. no one was killed in those storms. and number four. former minnesota governor jessie venture a may run for president in 2016. crossfire host asked the former pro-wrestler if he will run, he said, quote, maybe. he says he is a member of no parties and called for for abolishment of political parties. if he runs in 2016, he wants his running mate to be radio host howard stern. and number five. a national weather service office may have been trying to send a secret message. please pay us? take a look at this. the first letters of each line in this weather bulletin says just that. the meteorology office won't

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the sisters of the victim in that fatal d.c. police chase say she was treated for postpartum

depression with psychosis, but they say miriam carey was not delusional. amy carey jones and valerie carey, the sisters, say they're trying to put the pieces together. miriam carey allegedly drove her car into a white house barricade before leading police on a chase to the u.s. capitol. she was shot and killed but her one-year-old was in the car and was okay. her sisters talked to anderson cooper last night. >> the diagnosis came a little bit after her birth of the daughter, maybe a few months after. >> her daughter is about a year old? >> her daughter is a year. she's one year old. i recently asked her about the medication, i talked to her often about that. she told me that the doctors told her she didn't need the medication any more because the plan was for her to come off the medication within a year, and they were confident that she was better.

they tapered her off the medication and she says she felt fine. >> do you know for a fact that that was something that the doctors had recommended, she get off the medication, or is that something she told you? >> no, that's what the plan was. the plan of care for a patient that has depression with psychosis is medication and treatment and not to have long term medication like a bipolar or schizophrenia, she didn't have any type of psych history. that's why they told her one year. and they did go with the plan. >> as you said, i can't imagine the horror of seeing this on television and witnessing this as other people did. do you, amy, have questions about the final minutes and how police responded? i mean, you said you want to find out what happened. what aspect in particular do you want to look into? >> we have a lot of questions, i

am sure as a lot of viewers when you read the information, you see what the media is reporting, it just doesn't add up. personally i feel as professionals there has to be another way instead of shooting and killing an individual. i do feel that there could have been something else that could have been done. our goal is to figure out what happened. >> what kind of mom was she? >> she was a great mom. she was very nurturing to her daughter. made sure she got the care she needed, she spent time with her, she's very happy to be a mother. >> do you know how your niece is doing now? do you know what's going to happen with her? >> we don't. we're still trying to find out. we're not sure. we just were told that she's safe. >> valerie, is there anything else you want people to know about your sister? >> my sister just totally didn't deserve this, and there are going to be a lot of different

stories being told from people who may claim they know her who don't know her. my sister was a loving mother. she was a law abiding citizen. she had no political agenda. and she did not deserve to have her life cut down at the age of 34. >> do you know if when she had episodes in the past what they centered around or what she would talk about in those cases? >> she seemed to be overwhelmed, a lot of stress, had a lot of events occurring in her life, and she was diagnosed with the depression and with the psychosis. we found out about it, she dealt with that. and there was not moments of her walking around with delusions, that's not what was going on. >> amy, valerie, i am so sorry for your loss. please give me condolences to

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radio personality and long time american top 40 host casey kasem claim they're being barred from seeing their father who is suffering from parkinson's disease. a.j. hammer has more on the troubling family drama. >> this is a sad story any way you look at it, fred. the eldest daughter of casey kasem is claiming the stepmother, jean kasem, is banning her and her siblings, her uncle and his closest friends from seeing him. she says she used to visit once a week until three months ago when she was suddenly no longer allowed visitation. this week the family decided to go public with their concerns. tuesday, karen and the others held a protest at the home in california. they taped it and released footage to get the word out. there have been some accusations that casey's children want access to him because they're after his estate. that's something carrie strongly denies. here is what she told cnn about that. my dad told us a long time ago

we were not in the will and we're okay with that, we have known that for years. i don't want any of his money. my father taught toys stand on our own two feet, and i am proud of that. it is not about the money, we love our father and he's been ripped from us. jean hasn't commented on the claims from the children. long time agent don pits says he is still of sound mind. here is what he tells cnn in a statement. he has parkinson's, has it very bad, it took his speech. for somebody who made millions of dollars using his vows, for him to lose that gift, it must be frustrating. but he is handling it very well, his mind is very sharp, his brain works well. a sad story, particularly hearing this man whose voice so many of us grew up with is no longer able to speak. he was a huge influence in my career and i think we can all hope that the family will be able to work it out peacefully. fred? >> thanks so much, a.j. that's our hope. our legal guys are back to talk

more. richard herman in las vegas, avery freeman in cleveland. before we get started, let everyone know that you and casey kasem have been friends for years, you previously counselled him and the family on legal matters? >> that's right. king of the countdown worldwide, told all of us keep our feet on the ground, keep reaching for the stars, but yes, he is very ill. the issue here is children's rights versus spouse's rights. in the absence, fredricka, of neglect or abuse, generally spousal rights prevail over children's rights. probably governed by a legal document. >> if that's the case. >> in the absence -- >> sorry, there's delay. >> in the absence of neglect or abuse, it is likely in the absence of neglect and abuse, it is likely that the friends and even the children may never get

to see their dad again. >> my goodness, so if this wks a legal case, or that it is a legal case, where can it go given that statement? >> fred, what can happen is the family can try to bring a petition for conservativeship or try to allege by isolating him, it is akin to elder abuse or in some cycles in parkinson's patients, they claim they should be socialized. they should be around family and loved ones. by isolating them, that's another form of abuse. that seems to be the only angle the children, the brother, the friends may have in order to see him again. >> so then avery, how would, if that's the case, if that's the only option for the children, then how would they try to prove elder abuse is also defined by casey kasem not being able to see his children, since he can't, he is not in a situation

or condition where he can articulate that himself, that he wants to see them, that he is not being able, allowed to see them because of his wife. >> right. well, understand at this point it is merely a humanitarian protest by the children, friends and family. but if there were issues of neglect or abuse, the evidence would come what goes on the inside of the house, say there were former employees. i don't know, i don't know what the legal strategy will be, but i am in accord with richard that if there is a legal action, it would be more along those lines. at this point the humanitarian effort is just to try to convince his wife to permit the children and friends to see him, perhaps only one last time. >> family feuding is something a lot of people can relate to. there may be a lot of families can relate to this. there may be a new spouse in the picture and the children feel like they want to see their parent, but they're unable to see for very similar

circumstances. so richard, is this a very common situation in most families? what kind of options would the children have to see their parent who may be ailing health wise, but there may be a new spouse in the picture that isn't allowing it. >> i think we discussed that, fred. it is just some kind of petition for abuse or conservatorship. they have been married a long time, i think 30 years he is married to this woman. and the children have been seeing him up to about three months ago. now, each child it is my understanding have trust accounts established, so financially they're very well off. if this woman fears the children are going to walk in and he is going to redo his will, split the estate in quarters, that's not going to happen. he already articulated the children aren't recovering under the will, the house is for sale for $40 million.

for me, i would go to financial aspect. is she precluding the kids because she thinks he is going to diminish or reduce the estate. other than that, i can't see any reason she would preclude casey kasem from enjoying his children, other than -- >> also could be bad blood between the two. but absent neglect or abuse or evidence of that, i am in accord. it will be very difficult for the children to see their dad. >> again, a lot of this is based on the account from the children's point of view. we tried to reach out to jean kasem for comment. so far we have not heard back to get her side of the story. thanks so much, gentlemen. appreciate it. always good to see you. looking dapper as usual. this is when you can catch our guys, avery and richard, brilliant take on the cases of the day, week, month. you name it. thanks so much, gentlemen. appreciate it. have you noticed?

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