we don't know what day and time, it will be an amazing stunt when it happens, and you can also catch chriss's amazing show at the luxor in las vegas, thank you very much chriss. >> thank you, i'll leave you be. >> that is all for us tonight, "ac360" later starts right now. good evening, everyone, tonight how the government shutdown could very easily and critically become an economic meltdown. later, we all remember the happy ending, the american sailors rescued from the somalia pirates. tom hanks is playing in the movie that is sure to be a huge blockbuster. and also, my interview with the remarkable elizabeth smart, telling for the first time her whole story of the kidnapping and captivity. i really didn't know what

the definition of fear was until that moment. >> that and the moment by moment account of the special forces raids that landed one top agent in custody, but we begin with the shutdown, which is now seven days old and a possible default on the shutdown, which is getting days old. today, president obama's refusal to negotiate on either, calling on speaker boehner to back down, speaker boehner, for his part, not backing down. >> the president's refusal to negotiate is hurting our economy and putting our country at risk. >> the refusal to negotiate line, that is the gop line, a talking point this weekend on all the washington political shows, not too different from any talking show over the years, but we actually had a line from behind the scenes when that talking point kind of came into the world. >> i think if we keep saying we wanted to de-fund it, we fought for it, but now we're willing to

compromise, i think -- well, i know we don't want to be here but we're going to win this, i think. >> just keep saying we're willing to compromise, that is what senator paul said right there, on wednesday, over the following days and through this weekend his colleagues seem to have certainly taken his advice, let's listen. >> house republicans repeatedly had been compromising. >> compromise after compromise. >> compromise. >> the negotiation. >> the president has not been willing to negotiate. we want to. >> in this town you have to be willing to negotiate. >> negotiate. >> negotiate. >> we wait for the senate to come to the negotiating table. >> we still remain ready to negotiate. >> i'm willing to sit down and have a conversation with the president. >> well, that is the gop line, and here perhaps is the most viral version of the democratic response. >> mr. speaker, we've heard from our republican colleagues that democrats don't want to compromise, that the president doesn't want to negotiate. you know, i read something on

the internet this morning that sort of describes the type of negotiation the republicans want to have with us. goes something like that. can i burn down your house? no, how about just the second floor? no. how about the garage? no. well, let's talk about what i can burn down. no. you're not compromising. >> well, the bottom line in all of this back and forth, people are hurting from the shutdown and the financial markets are starting to get jumpy about a default on the debt. chief correspondent john king joins us with the latest, what is the latest? is there any movement on this mess tonight? >> not anything meaningful, there are proposals but not anything getting it to the finish line. a lot of rhetoric, but not a lot of progress or talk toward it. as you mentioned at the top, the president today said speaker boehner, bring to the floor a clean cr bill to reopen the

government if you will. and we were doing counting at cnn, there are about 200 democrats for that. 214 republicans for that. that would leave them some votes shy, but anderson, that would be an experiment to democracy the one might want to see. but the speaker controls the calendar and the floor, and he is not ready to bring anything forth. they're insisting if it is about the government they get something for the health care bill, if it is about spending, they get something about spending, and for like. >> and we're also hearing about a bill from the house to get back pay for federal workers, might have hit a snag in the senate? >> it did hit a snag in the senate, you could expect something like maybe 92 to 94, but again, it is the lack of trust and good will. democrats would bring it to the floor to guarantee the federal workers. they want to get out ahead of it and say look, when you come back to work you will be paid.

they want to do that and encourage a lot of people to come back to work during the furlough pay. even though they're not going to get officially paid just yet. however, republicans say if you bring it to the floor we want amendments, so we can bring up proposals that we think the democrats prevented us from voting. the democrats only want to bring it to the floor if it has an up or down no changes vote. so snag is a polite word. >> there is the debt clock out there already, the white house says they could be ready for a short-term solution. >> the adviser saying look, if congress wanted to pass a two-week or three-week extension, to allow us to negotiate that would be good. it would take the threat off the financial markets and take the threat off the table at least for now. now, the white house says it is no big deal. some democrats are arguing about that, because they don't want to argue on the key points, but

again, you would have to get the republicans to agree to that. number one, most republicans don't want to vote twice to raise the debt ceiling because it is against their litmus test, if you will. and to vote yes, you would have to then trust what you will get the negotiations on those questions whether it is the health care bill, deficit reduction or entitlement reforms. and that trust simply doesn't exist in washington, it was put out there as a trial balloon, there are other trial balloons floating around, but as we have this conversation seven days into the shutdown, there is no noticeable progress to sink your teeth into. >> lot of balloons just popping and raul labrador of idaho, appreciate you joining us. you and many other house republicans say the democrats refuse to negotiate. but the democrats did, and the senate passed a clean continuing resolution that the republicans wanted, not the democrats

wanted. $988 billion. harry reid said that speaker boehner said he wouldn't attach the finances to the bill, if there was a concession, wasn't that a negotiation? >> if you think about it, the 988 is not a republican number, that is the 2013 sequester levels. we're talking now about the 2014 level. we actually made a concession when we started out at the 988 number, which now it looks like it was a mistake for republicans to make that concession, because now harry reid continues to say he made the concession when we were the ones who agreed to the 2013 levels of funding, not the 2014 levels. >> so is harry reid just misinformed or lying when you say he was told that 988 was the figure by speaker boehner? >> that is what they talked about. i don't know what they talked about. i was not in the negotiations, that is between harry reid and the speaker of the house. what i can tell you -- >> so there were negotiations. >> no, i don't know if there were, i was not present at the alleged negotiations. that is between them. the reality is that the

republicans have been holding firm on what we want to do for funding the government. you know, anderson, it is kind of like you telling cnn that you want to go ahead and you want to extend your contract for a year. and cnn tells you that you have to sign the dotted line right now and you can negotiate on the terms of your contract later. that is what the president wants us to do. and that is what harry reid wants us to do, and i don't think that is acceptable. >> but it is not really that way, because congress has not passed my contract, and the supreme court has not accepted it as valid. the president won on the health care act and won twice, the opponent lost twice on the affordable care act, the supreme court has backed it up. why not allow us to come to a vote? >> well, number one, your premise is incorrect. when you think about one of the reasons that mitt romney was not that popular in some circles, is because he was actually known as the godfather of obama care -- he was not going to be the

strongest candidate against obama care, and i don't think -- >> but he was your candidate and ran against it and lost. >> but he didn't, he didn't make obama care the basis of his campaign. you guys in the media keep saying that, but it is absolutely false. he didn't spend a lot of time talking about obama care. >> and john mccain, what about him? >> john mccain was also -- they didn't talk about obama care, it was not the law of the land at the time. >> president obama certainly talked about affordable care act, and universal health care coverage. >> he did against john mccain, but john mccain lost for a lot of other reasons, and it was not because of obama care. >> but john mccain said elections have consequences. why not just bring this up for a clean vote? >> so according to you the only election that mattered was the election of obama. it doesn't matter that the house of representatives in 2010 and 2012 actually won both times with majorities because we were -- fighting against obama care. >> but this law has been passed by congress, you didn't run on it. i understand you don't like

but you ran on repealing it. >> not a single republican voted for it. it. >> it passed congress, didn't it? the election of 2010. remember how it passed, it was through some procedural tricks. the reasons that obama care has so many problems right now is because they passed a bill in the senate. the senate was incomplete. >> so basically your argument is you're nullifying two elections of the president, and the vote of congress, and i get that -- because you don't like it. >> your argument is that the election of the house of representatives doesn't matter. the american people -- >> my argument is that the vote of the house of representatives and the vote of the senate does matter and this is a law and the supreme court has backed up this law. so at a certain point, why not just bring it to a vote? why not just bring it to a vote in the house right now? >> you know, we could bring it to a vote and it would lose, and the democrats keep talking -- this is a beautiful talking point that the democrats have. it is something they have no evidence that there is anybody willing to vote.

>> why not bring it up and see? >> why should we? >> because that is how things work. >> so when nancy pelosi was the speaker of the house you actually asked her to vote for things that the republican party wanted. nobody in the media asked nancy pelosi to pass a progressive of the republican party. not once did that happen when she was speaker of the house, during the four years. but now, all of a sudden, just because you don't like the fact that a -- that the republicans are in control of the house of representatives. >> i don't have a stake in this. >> this is the way in journalism, when you're not on fox news, you get contentious interviews, when you're not on msnbc, you get contentious interviews. my job is to ask you questions that are different than you think, just as my next guest who is a democrat, i'm going to ask the same kind of questions, push backs on their position. that is what a journalist does. i'm not taking the side of the democrats, and in a minute here

you will see i'm not taking the side of the republicans. >> but i'm just showing you anderson, we did have an election, in the election, we chose a republican house and a democratic senate. so we're not just going to sit here and do what the democrats want to do. or negotiate under democratic control. we have a republican house and we have a prerogative that our constituents sent us to washington, d.c. and win this, and to actually fight on it. >> i guess i don't understand, if you're convinced it wouldn't pass, why not bring it up to a vote and talk about it? >> but why do it, you have a discharge petition, not a single republican signed it. the democrats are trying to put forth. that is actual proof that not one single republican wanted to sign it. >> wouldn't it make your argument stronger, if you brought this up, let it not pass and then that takes away their talking point. >> it is not necessary, when you have a discharge petition, which under the rules of the house

would force a vote under the house, not a single republican has signed it. so the talking points are null and void. >> congressman, thank you for joining us. and many have said breaching it would not lead to economic disaster, congressman saying it is demagoguery. however, the conservative congressman, warning that we could fall further into a recession if the debt ceiling is not lifted. with that intra-party dispute, i want to bring in congressman elijah cummings. look, congressman, some republicans are saying that president obama will not negotiate, saying either my way or the highway. some democrats even are critical of his unwillingness to reach out to folks on capitol hill. why not negotiate now? >> negotiate over what?

see that is the question. they -- at one time -- >> well, they say delay for a year -- >> let me ask you a question, the affordable care act, that was one thing. they realize that they could not -- they tried to defeat it when we got it through the house and the senate. and then had it signed by the president and affirmed by the supreme court. so they couldn't get their way that way through the regular democratic process. so then they said okay, let's shut down the government. well, they shut down the government. now, they say we're going to threaten the creditworthiness of the united states and possibly the world economy. to do something that we're supposed to do. >> i don't understand -- >> wait a minute, we're supposed to keep the government open and we're supposed to pay our debts. >> what harm could be done if the president just brings speaker boehner into the white house and tries to forge a path forward, many are saying look, we're willing to compromise now. both sides, and the republicans are saying look, we're willing

to compromise now. >> well, keep in mind that it was six months that the senate has been trying to get the house to come together over a budget in a conference committee. they refused over and over again. the fact is the president is clear. and i agree with him. you have to keep the government open, number one, and let's pay our debts. and then let's sit down and see what we can work out. but you -- the republicans seem to act like if the president -- you know, it reminds me sort of when somebody has to pay child support. and then the republicans are saying oh, you got to give me something to pay my child support. no, you're supposed to pay your child support. >> they say that they were elected to these -- these representatives in the house were elected to de-fund obama care. that it is wildly unpopular, they say, certainly in their districts. and if they have the mechanisms to force a sort of compromise,

why shouldn't they? >> well, you made a very good point, anderson, it is very popular in our districts, maybe not popular in theirs. like mine, where people cannot get the health care that they need. where women, i just marched about a week ago with a thousand women with lupus. and they could not get insurance before now because they had pre-existing conditions. one of the things that seem to be lacking in all of our conversations is that congress acted to give something to the american people. and what they did was give them access to insurance that they could not get. and now you have the republicans coming -- trying to come through the back door, trying to take away something. what about them? what about those people? >> we just had a republican congressman on saying well, congress passed this but it was done through sort of sleight of hand and parlor trick. essentially. >> you can call it -- no matter what, it passed. if they had a problem with it

they could have challenged it in the supreme court on that basis. well, the fact is that it passed. and i know they were sitting around just praying that justice roberts, chief justice roberts would say no, no, no, it is not constitutional. but what did he do? he said it is constitutional. you said it a minute ago. anderson, this is the law. it is the law. let me tell you something, i every two years i come to congress, just like mr. labrador, we come and raise our hand and swear to the constitution -- it is the law, so we should be trying to make it work. >> so how does it get resolved? >> well, you asked the question a little bit earlier. i guarantee you, i bet everything i have got except my wife and kids, that if you put this order forward with a clean cr it would pass. >> you have no doubt about that.

>> i have absolutely no doubt about it. mr. labrador makes this argument about the document that -- we've got 195 people who have signed on saying to force the bill out. well, guess what? that is not a vote. i'm talking about if this was put on the floor it would pass tonight. but anderson, let me tell you something. i worry. our country is better than this. we really are. i did not come to the congress to throw mr. labrador's constituents under the bus, and i'm not throwing mine under the bus. and i think at the rate we're going that is where we're going to end up. again, if you want to err on the side of what is right. this is what you do. you err on the side of opening up government. so you go, we hold the vote. if they -- if there are not the votes there, then we stay where we are. with a shutdown government. but if the votes are there, we open up the government so that the citizens of this great united states can have a benefit of the services that they have already paid taxes for.

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sophisticated and beyond somalia's borders that helped the u.s. target al shabaab on its home territory. it was a daring operation, late saturday night, the same seal team 6 that captured osama bin laden, approached the villa, they were met by a hail of gunfire, heavier resistance than expected. the ultimate surprise, seeing children in the compound, the seal time withdrew. >> there was a firefight, and they took several steps to avoid the civilian casual ties. and that is what our military personnel do. >> reporter: military sources say they were never pinned down and had rescue crews nearby. just hours away in libya, another daring operation, this one in broad daylight in downtown tripoli. the target?

anas al liby picked up by the elite delta force. his family said he just returned from morning prayers, when u.s. forces, many in masks, surrounded his car, smashing the driver's side window and rushing anas al liby away, as wife spoke in terror. >> everything happened quickly, they grabbed him and shoved him in the car. i saw them doing this and saying get in, but was not sure if that was my husband. the car sped off like a rocket. >> reporter: anas al liby, a senior al-qaeda operative wanted for the bombings in africa, it wanted. the targeter of the somalia raid is at large. >> and jim joins me, you have been talking about the raids, what more have you learned. >> well, the big details to come out is why the seal team turned away. they believed their target was

inside, but got more gunfire than they expected. they also saw too many obstacles around, particularly children, and made the decision that the casualty numbers would be too high. i asked one top official about the failure, he said it was no. he said part of the goal here was to send a message to a group like al shabaab that the u.s. could quote, knock on their door anywhere in the world. but then i asked the officials why take a risk with life and limb, sending a team in there, was there a specific threat? they said no, was it tied to the mall attack? they said no. but they were concerned that al shabaab has a greater ambition and ability to stage attacks abroad, including threatening u.s. interests in that region. and when they saw an attack like the westgate mall, they saw they were capable of this type of thing and they felt they had to go in there and be more aggressive in going after their

leaders. >> all right, appreciate the reporting. let's talk to our former navy seal, chad wamdilliams, it is a fascinating book, he is ceo of the security consulting firm. chad williams has also written about his experiences. his book is titled "seal of god." the al-qaeda operative who was taken in tripoli was taken by the british back in 1999. and they let him go. you were called in to take part in the investigation, you had to essentially watch him go out the door, explain what happened. >> well, basically we were looking for him in the involvement of the 199 # east africa bombing in nairobi. and at this point, we realized that he had applied for political asylum in 1995. at that time, in the world before 9/11, we didn't have enough to start a legal case against him. so we were hoping with that

operation that we did with our british counterparts to get some evidence, and unfortunately, we couldn't find any smoking gun. so according to the law, according to our laws and their laws, they had to let him go. a few months later we were able to build a case against him. he was indicted. and by then he escaped the united kingdom and went to afghanistan. >> is this somebody who you believe would still have operational useful information? >> i mean, he was one of the earlier members of al-qaeda, he went with osama bin laden sudan, and then went to operate in the west african region. the whole entire time that osama bin laden was in sudan, he did the whole casing of nairobi and did casing for different french and israeli targets in east africa. and then he continued to talk about targeting american interests, even outside africa. >> so this is more about bringing somebody to justice as

opposed to ongoing operations, things like that? >> well, you know, he has been in libya for a while, involved in incidents. his son was killed fighting the troops. so i am sure that law enforcement and the intelligence community has been monitoring him for a while and they have a lot of questions that probably they would like him to answer. >> chad, i want to turn to the operation in somalia. what kind of challenges did seal team 6 face with this operation that they maybe did not with the osama bin laden raid? i mean, a lot of people know how the osama bin laden operation took place. how would an operation like this take place? >> sure, this operation was particularly difficult because they were not going to be able to go in on the ground, they had to do a beach strike. so you couldn't bring in the resources you would have say if brought in vehicles or you were

dropped from a helicopter. but once they come in, they want to make their way as quietly as possible. they can't bring nearly as large a team as they did forr ethe osa bin laden raid, and by the time they made contact they're in a tricky situation. they have to make the decision if they try to fight through this thing and continue to pursue this situation. but eventually, they gave the call to go back to the water. and that was the original intent, they never intended to maintain the contact they had. >> it was up to who to make the decision, we'll make this operation or pull back? >> that would be the assault leader, he is making calls if he wants guys to go to the right or left or start to clear the house. it is the guy that is the on-ground expert. he has a good lay of the ground, whether he thinks it is a good idea to continue to pursue or just pull back.

>> in an operation like this, the point of wanting to get the person alive is for operational information the person may have, is that correct? >> absolutely, yeah, if they wanted to just wipe that target out they could have easily done so with the drone, without putting boots on the ground. but they want the information this guy has. >> ali, what about the operations, do they point to a shift in the obama operations as the way of conducting these operations or is this kind of business as usual? >> i think there is a shift in our counterterrorism strategy, now you see an operation where we were able to go to two locations at the same time. getting two different individuals. both of them were involved in a nairobi attack, one in 1998, one in 2013. and that was the back drop of the anniversary of black hawk down. >> do you think it was just all coincidence that these two operations were occurring pretty much at the same time? >> i think it is nice from the

perspective that the united states is able to go and get these individuals. even after so many years. but i think at the same time there is a move to -- move to use more than one tool in the box. you know, for many years we used the drones. but now it seems that we decided to usele also law enforcement a intelligence. >> excellent, thank you so much, good to have you on. for more of the story you can go to cnn.com. and up next, the captain taken hostage by somalia pirates. his story is a blockbuster with tom hank, i really want to see it. but some say the portrayal of him in the film is wrong, we'll explore those charges. and also tonight, elizabeth smart, an amazing courageous woman talking about her imprisonment at a camp with her

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hey, welcome back, a blockbuster movie opening in, called "captain philips" about the ship overrun by somali pirates in 2009. it portrays philips as a hero who saves his ship and crew, but some crew members on that ship claim that the real life captain philips was anything but a hero. drew griffin has more. >> reporter: as the captain was laudd as a hero, the crew of the ship watched and bit their

tongues, but no more. >> we watched, we hear this pr stuff about him giving himself up, and he is still a hostage. the whole crew is like what? everybody is in shock. >> reporter: back in 2010, the alabama's chief engineer, mike perry, told us he and most of the crew couldn't believe the story being painted about their captain, captain richard philips, that he had given himself up for the safety of his crew. left out of the entire story, says perry, is the captain's reckless that steered the maersk alabama into treacherous waters. perry is talking about e-mails sent by the maritime agency specifically warning of somali pirate attacks and advising ships to steer at least 600 miles off the coast. the alabama, according to its logs, was only about 300 miles

offshore and what is more, captain philips had read the e-mails but took the same route anyway. >> when i went back to the ship, the crew that was on there at that time had collected them all and i reviewed them all. and i went up and had the mates plot them on the chart. >> according to the crew members, the captain on the voyage set a course to save money. that route would shorten the trip, and according to third engineer john cronyn, put the crew directly in harm's way. >> he was advised to change course by competent deck officers and he overruled them. stay on course, make our eta. stay on the same course. >> in a 2010 interview, captain richard philips told us had he was not used to criticism. when cnn confronted him with these e-mails and his crew's concerns, he said it was the first time his judgment had been questioned. >> the complaint was that there

were specific e-mails sent to your ship stressing the need to go further out to sea. >> yes, so something like that, we'll deal with that in the arena that they wish. and that is the court. that is what this is based on. >> is it true? >> that there are warnings put out. i don't know what authorities he is talking about, he doesn't say. >> well, i have the e-mails. >> yes. >> you have seen the e-mails. >> i haven't seen them since i've been on the ship. >> but you were warned to go further out to sea. >> warned to stay clear of an area. >> and you didn't -- >> we were -- we come from djibouti, we were in the area, almost 300 miles out during our incident. >> the captain is now a witness in a contentious lawsuit between some of the crew and the shipping company. in a deposition just last year,

captain philips admitted he did indeed receive the e-mail warnings. he also admits he kept the warnings to himself. asked by a plaintiff's attorney, did you ever tell mate quinn or any of the other deck officers you were receiving these warnings to remain 600 miles off the coast of somalia, philips answers, i don't believe i specifically did. asked why he didn't move further offshore, philips testifies i don't believe 600 miles would make you safe. i didn't believe 1200 miles would make you safe. as i told the crew it would be a matter of when, not if. so we were always in this area. so it didn't to me, lessen any potential. the chief engineer mike perry who has since been paid by the movie company first told us three years ago that captain richard philips is dangerous. >> he doesn't heed the e-mail warnings telling him to go further out the sea, after the

second attempt on the boat he doesn't stay the course which is to go further out to sea. he doesn't lock the bridge when the pirates are attacking. >> when they're known to have been on board, and when they're on board, even at that point he didn't lock them. >> and what you're telling me, your hunch is that he wanted to be captured and wanted the boat to be taken by pirates? >> that is what many of our officers were saying to ourselves. >> did you want to stay with the pirates for some reasons? >> no, i think they're forgetting they had weapons. >> philips say much of the criticism is driven by human nature and by lawsuits by members of his crew, he also says the story was fuelled by press who wanted a hero, and a movie. >> four pirates on board. >> 2010, he himself admitted if he acted as a hero, it was accidental. and would never claim a hero's title for himself.

>> the media got everything wrong. i don't know how i could control this when i'm in a life boat and the media is saying i gave myself up for it. in the book, if you read it, you know i didn't give myself up. i was already a hostage by then. >> he says the real heroes are the ones he dedicated his book to, the navy, the navy seals and yes, the merchant mariners he sailed with. drew griffin, cnn, burlington, vermont. up next, elizabeth smart telling her story, describing her abduction and nightmare in captivity. [ mainframe ] locate. ge deep-sea fuel technology. a 50,000-pound, ingeniously wired machine that optimizes raw data to help safely discover and maximize resources in extreme conditions. our current situation seems rather extreme. why can't we maximize our... ready. ♪ brilliant. let's get out of here. warp speed. ♪

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hey, welcome back, in tonight's big "ac360" interview, elizabeth smart, for the first time describing in detail her unimaginable ordeal, held captive for nine months, raped, starved. at the age of 14. but her story of survival is one of hope. in her book "my story," she writes not only about how she suffered but her faith and how her family kept her going. i spoke with elizabeth earlier today. for understandable reasons, you and your family have been very private about what happened in the last ten years, why did you decide to now write about it? >> there are a lot of reasons, i

think the biggest is because i do a lot of public speaking. and every time i speak, someone comes up to me and says i was raped and i have never told anyone that. or i was kidnapped. or my dad tried to sell me to pay the mortgage on the house. i mean, i've had so many disclosures come to me. and so when i tried to consider writing a book that is really one of of the main reasons that drove me. because i wanted to reach out to the survivors and victims. i wanted them to know that these things do happen. but it doesn't mean that you have to be defined by it for the rest of your life. you can move forward, you can be happy. >> was it scary to contemplate about writing about it? because you write in great detail about the physical assaults and rape and all of it? >> i thought a lot about what i wanted to put into the book. and i decided that if i was going to write a book, i wanted it to be 100%. i didn't just want to go 10% and sugar coat the rest. i wanted it to be really what happened and what it was like every day i was there. because i don't think i'm doing anybody any favors by

sugar-coating it. >> you write in the book about the moment you woke up, you're 14 years old, you wake up and there is a man with a knife at your throat. in your bedroom. >> well, to me, my bedroom is the ultimate place in safety. i felt like that was the safest place in the world for me. so waking up in the middle of the night in my own bedroom having this strange man standing over me, someone i didn't recognize, not only that. but having a knife being held to my throat, i was terrified. i had had grown up in a very happy home. and i really didn't know what the definition of fear was until that moment. that brought a whole new meaning. >> did he say he was -- what did he say in that moment? >> he said i have a knife at your neck, don't make a sound, get up and come with me. and then i remember getting up and going with him. and then on the way through my

house, he bent over to my again and said if you make any sound, if you do anything that causes any attention or causes someone to come, i not only will kill you but i will kill anyone who tries to stop me. >> and what is going through your mind? i mean, you're 14 years old. >> i was praying so hard for an escape, i kept looking, kept waiting for something to happen, for some way for me to get away. and i kept looking and when it didn't happen, i saw oh, my goodness, i am going to be raped and then kidnapped. and murdered. because that is what happens to all the children i see on the news who have been kidnapped. i remember stopping him and asking him well, if you're just going to rape and kill me could you please do it here, because in my mind, i wanted my parents to know what had happened to me. i wanted them to know i had not run away, this was not my choosing, i was not upset with them, i wanted them to know it happened. >> so you just said if you're going to do this, do it now? >> yeah, yeah, and i remember he just looked back at me and he

said oh, i'm not going to rape and kill you yet. and then we kept going, and i remember we got a little further and i stopped him again, and i said don't you realize what you're doing, if you get caught you will spend the rest of your life in prison? and he looked at me again and he said i know exactly what i'm doing and i know what the consequences are, the only difference is, i'm not going to get caught. >> did you meet the woman he was with right away? >> i didn't meet her until we had arrived at the hidden camp way up in the mountains. >> what did you think when you saw this woman there? because she was in league with him, aiding and abetting? >> well, i was terrified when i got to the camp. but the scariest thing about this camp was this woman. >> really? >> yes, i remember she came out and had on robes and a head dress, and she came up to me and hugged me, but this hug was not comforting. i mean, if hugs could speak this hug would have said, you're mine, you will do exactly what i tell you to do.

>> and did the assaults begin right away? >> the next nine months. my days nsisted of being hungry. of being bored to death because he talked nonstop, always about himself. i mean, talk about self-absorbed. and then my days consisted of being raped. not just once, multiple times a day. >> and -- you write in the book just when you think it couldn't get worse, it got worse? >> every time i thought it was rock bottom, my pajamas are being taken away from me, i'm forced to wear this nasty robe. next thing i knew, they would say all right, well, we're going to have you go naked now. or i had been forced to drink alcohol, which i had never done before. i would throw up and i would pass out. and when i would wake up, i would find that my hair and face was just crusted in vomit.

i mean, every time i thought it couldn't get worse, something always happened. >> and did -- you know, i have talked to so many kids who have been taken. and often there are those questions, well, did you ever think about running away, about getting away or why didn't you run away? and i think it is hard for people who have not been through it, who didn't remember. we're talking about children. you were 14 years old. psychologically, what change started to go through -- because early on you were talking about looking for an escape. when did that stop? >> well, i was so glad you brought that point up. because it is so true. you can never judge a child or a victim of any crime on what they should have done. because you were not there. and you don't know. and you have no right just to sit in your arm chair at home and say well, why didn't you escape or do this? i mean, they just don't know. that is wrong. and i was 14. i was a little girl. and i had seen this man successfully kidnap me. he successfully chained me up and successfully raped me and did all of these things.

what was to say that he wouldn't kill me when he made those threats to me? what was to say that he wouldn't kill my family. i eventually came to a point where i was like okay, one day, somehow, i'm going to survive this. i'm going to get back to my family. so in early march of 2003, we had ended up in california. and they were talking of new places to go like new york and boston and all i could think of was oh, my goodness, we can't go to those places because if nobody found me here, why on earth would anybody find me there? >> she is a remarkable young women, we'll have part two of my interview with elizabeth smart, a remarkable young woman. she will tell us what she thought about the incredible moment she was rescued. and up next, questions about the biker attack, we'll be right back.

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