hello, i'm hala sps gorani along with michael holmes. day eight of the government shutdown. even a phone call is a big deal as the shutdown drags on and the debt ceiling deadline is a few days away. >> indeed. jim acosta is at the white house. a few things breaking in the last few minutes. tell us about the phone calls, first of all. >> the phone call happened around 10:45 on the east coast on in the united states. the president called john boehner and a fairly one-sided call if you listen the various accounts according to white house officials. the president said what he has been saying all along he is not going to negotiate on a debt

ceiling or continuing resolution to reopen the federal government with strings attached. so he urged the speaker to get something passed out of the house that would reopen the government and raise the nation's debt ceiling. but the memo from white house officials about this call goes on to say that the president is willing to talk about some of these priorities that republicans have. he is willing to talk about the budget. he is willing to talk about health care reform, but he wants to do it outside of this threat of a government shutdown and of a debt default. now one thing we do want to pass on, the president is holding a news conference at 2:00 in the afternoon here on the east coast at the white house. that he will be taking some questions and so we will have to see what he has to say. i'm sure he'll get lots of questions from reporters about what has been a pretty consistent republican talking point in the last several days and that is that the president is not willing to negotiate. interesting to point out that he made this phone call to house speaker john boehner in the hours before this news conference.

so the speaker has been saying let's talk and have a conversation. well, they did have a brief one earlier this morning. >> jim acosta at the white house, thanks very much, with the latest and we will stay in touch. president obama will have a press conference at 2:00 p.m. so you'll see that on cnn. don't miss that. it's going to be a rather interesting conversation. >> it's interesting what he will try to get out of it politically. publicly it looks like we are still at an impasse. really the president and the house speaker are talking but on the negative side. same old conversation is the negative side. meanwhile, we are looking at the new reality of the house of representatives. >> we have been tally the votes and there are enough, according to our count, to pass a bill that would reopen the government. here is how it all adds up. as you know, there is a total of 432 members, three house seats

are vacant. >> if you divide that in half you get 216. 200 democrats in the house support the bill and 17 republicans. so you have just enough votes to pass at 217. >> now not enough house members are willing to force house speaker john boehner to bring it to a vote. he has to do it. he says he is not drawing a line in the sand because he also not budging from his position that the shutdown is not his fault. >> americans expect us to work out our differences. but refusing to negotiate is an untenable position and frankly by refusing to negotiate, harry reid and the president are putting our country on a pretty dangerous path. listen, there has never been a president in our history that did not negotiate over the debt limit. never. >> we are also hearing from house democrats. you heard from the speaker there.

no big shock. they had some harsh words for speaker boehner. >> surprise, surprise. listen to what the chairman of the house democratic caucus said just a short time ago. >> i have just been informed that earlier this morning, speaker boehner respond to do a reporter's question about the fact that the votes exist to pass a clean budget and we could reopen the doors to government and put americans back to work and my understanding is eloquent response was doo doo. >> doo doo. >> you're the reporter who asked that question of the house speaker. tell me what you heard. >> i didn't hear doo doo. i heard speaker boehner humming something. it might have been dah, dah, dah or dah, dah, dah. i didn't here doo doo but the bottom line he didn't want to

answer the question. the speaker walked by here a few minutes ago. i asked him, no chance on a vote on this clean spending bill and he ignored me and looked at me and kept going. we have heard from other house republicans that in their conference meeting this morning, the speaker made clear there is not a vote on this. his point of not answering is for us to move on to something else. i can tell you what the house is doing today. they are looking or talking about proposals, a possible bill that would put together some sort of committee of house democrats and house republicans and senate democrats, people from both parties to talk about some of these budget issues and a proposal that would make sure that those working right now, like the capitol police and other essential employees get their paychecks on time. those are some of the proposals discussed right now. but neither one of those goes directly to ending this shutdown right now. >> i suppose we got to ask you this, though. he says he's not going to put it

to the vote. what are his reasons? when there seems to be growing evidence that a clean bill would pass. >> for one thing, speaker boehner insisted there are not enough votes and won't answer questions about our tally and other outlet's tallies saying there are. really their main point is the point last week and longer than that. they want the president and senate democrats to sit down and negotiate before passing a bill that would reopen the government or raise the debt ceiling which is, of course, a very big deadline around the corner so that is where they stand. they want talks. they want conversations and they want them before they do either of these things. >> athina jones in washington, thanks so much. the senate we are a day closer to a catastrophe and that is defaulting on the debt of the united states when the government reaches its borrowing limit and can't borrow any more and called a debt ceiling on

october 17th. >> that is the big one everyone around the world is watching. since no one seems willing to budget on the shutdown, senate democrats are taking action on the debt ceiling and introducing a bill that would increase it for more than a year. >> it will be a clean bill with no changes to obama care or any other tweaks that republicans a are demanding to pass a bill. if the senate passes it ramps up the house to do the same thing. >> these threats are not helping the markets right now. the dow is down 87 points or so. that is over half of the percentage point. it has fallen more than 200 points since the shutdown began eight days ago. >> but let's look at this in perspective. 14,800 and change for the dow. this is not panic. >> this is not. >> not a collapse. we are still at high levels. if you invested in stocks in

january, you'd still be in good shape today. in other words, nobody is panicking on wall street even though we are down. christine romans is in new york with an answer to that question. what is going on as far as the investors in the stock market are concerned? why aren't they much more concerned with the possibility of a default? >> because wall street is assuming that these two houses of congress will not have mutually assured destruction. they are assuming that this will have to get fixed and there is no other choice. they can't quite imagine. i won't say the risk of default or not raising the debt ceiling is zero and not what the dow is telling you right now. the stocks are down only 3% since all of this nonsense began a few weeks ago and for the year, you're so right, hala. you have had a fantastic year. look at those numbers. especially in tech stocks. a lot of room for congress to really mess up your nest egg here. >> the next big crisis is the debt ceiling. it could happen, you know? it could happen. and were it to happen, could the

government pay some of those debts? one of the thing that is key here is the u.n. debt and paying its debt is key not just to the reputation to the united states but the world. it's the backbone. >> i think no matter what you're going to have a treasury department that is going to do everything in its power to pay its investors first. to pay its bondholders first. you'll have the challenge here. just on november 1st, these are the bills that come from. the treasury secretary said after months of extraordinary measures the money runs out. look at the huge medicare payment and social security checks go out. military pay goes out and a few more days, even more checks and multibillion dollar interest pam. if the treasury is paying interest payments first, do you pay seniors? give them ious?

you pay them or don't pay military or active due to federal workers? do you not pay irs refunds? it gets to be in the months after we hit that october 17th deadline, we are 107 billion short on our obligation. without borrowing more money, you're going to have -- put the brakes on the economy. >> the question being, we have heard, by the way, we are going to answer that question later with more on this, but who owns most of the debt of the united states right now? starting with the largest creditor. >> the largest creditor is you us. china and japan and you've got entities in the cayman islands are the largest foreign creditors of the united states. altogether those foreign creditors account for a third of the treasury bonds. when you look at the two-thirds of the treasury bonds that are held by municipal funds and municipal governments and social

security trust fund and domestic investors you can see that not only do we want to pay our bills make our foreign creditors happy but paying our bills makes us happy too. america always pays its bills. >> and wall street is essentially saying we don't think this is going to end in total disaster? >> they are hoping every day they are saying they couldn't be that crazy, they couldn't be that crazy. >> no one kble can believe it c happen. china was making comments about this and saying, guys, sort this out. they are probably a bit worried too. christine romans, awesome to see you. thaus. >> awesome to see you. coming up, pope francis has come out saying the catholic church needs to shake off its obsession with abortion and gay relationships. now he is calling for all to meet at the vatican to discuss this and how to view the modern family. could this mean --

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welcome back, everyone. new details emerging on the commando raids in africa where the navy s.e.a.l.s tried to capture a top al shabaab terrorist. >> they say they were not run off by al shabaab fighters during a shoot-out. instead he says military personnel reached the doorstep of the target, but then, at that point, discovered there were civilians in the surrounding area and children at the xoup compound. >> that is why they called off the raid. then a senior al qaeda operative, you see the car there that army delta force commanders

surrounded with four vehicles. >> eyewitnesses say al libi was taken into custody peacefully and libyan's country is unhappy. after the raid, they called the u.s. military's capture of al libi an abduction. >> demanding answers from debra jones who is the u.s. ambassador. we are hearing the general in the congress has also called for the return of al libi. these are rising tensions prompting the move of some u.s. marines for security reasons. >> some 200 heavily armed troops are being shuttled from spain to italy in case the u.s. embassy or americans become threatened in libya. nic robertson is in tripoli.

why are they so upset about this? are they saying they weren't made aware of the ready before it happened? >> reporter: what they are saying, when i was told by the minister i talked with that is shouldn't have happened this way. there was a better way to deal with this that this was destabilizing for the government which is perhaps why we are getting these reports from some agencies that the general national congress has called this a flagrant violation of national sovereignty and calls for the immediate return of al libi. what the minister told me there will be people who will try to use this to destabilize the government, particularly on the sovereignty issue. remember, this is a weak government. the general national congress made up of the vast majority of delegates are independents and not in the two major political parties here. what we understand now is that debra jones was actually called

in, the u.s. ambassador, was called in not today but yesterday. we are hearing about it today. what officials who have been briefed on this say this was is not a summons but a conversation that was quite ride ranging and understanding on law enforcement issues, that the libyans did ask when they can get access to al libi who they say is on board a u.s. ship right now bound for the united states. >> nic robertson in tripoli, thanks so much. i guess, it speaks to the libyan government that they weren't brought on in this apparently. >> right. how bill control they have some giants sections of libya. the adjective used to describe the conversation between the u.s. ambassador and the libyan official was cordial. that means a bit tense.

we are supposed to learn more about the raid in libya that resulted in al libi's capture later this hour. >> we will be listening as well. the pope calling bishops from around the world to the vatican. >> he has a few things to say about how the catholic church preach the modern family.

we will take you to south america where a peaceful march to support teachers in rio de janeiro turned violate when that was hijacked and went on a rampage. they set fires. they broke into buildings, including banks, and smashed a gate at city hall. at those banks some atm machines were set on fire and authorities eventually used tear gas to get the crowd under control. taking to one of the hot spots around the world and we

are talking about syria. experts say destroying syria's chemical arsenal is under way and a second team is sent to syria. according to the u.n. chemical weapons watchdog agency they dismantled syrian's program on sunday and while the operation is being praised, the united nations says inspectors still face what they call a dangerous and volatile environment. the streets of cairo remain tense today. now this follows two days, of course, of clashes between the military and muslim brotherhood supporters. the death toll from the fighting stands at 55. more than 250 people have been injured. six egyptian soldiers have also died since sunday. now supporters of the ousted program morsi say they will keep on protesting despite the

pressure. >> from the start, michael, pope francis showed himself to be a different kind of pontiff. a pope for the common man, or woman. someone who is setting the people and moving for driving his own second-hand car. now many catholics also see hope for change in some areas of catholic doctrine. long held stands on things like homosexuality. so how does the pope, this pope view the modern family? he called a meeting of bishops in rome. let's go live to roam and cnn senior vatican analyst john allen. is this going to be a change? this meeting is one of many things that will happen to determine that, but a chance in substance rather than just style coming from pope francis? >> reporter: the one thing we have learned under pope francis

there is never a dull day on the vatican beat and certainly true today with the news that the pope is summoning a gathering of bishops and other church leaders around the world for next october. they are dealing with marriage and you asked if there is a substantive change that might come out of it. i think the answer is quite likely yes. we expect them to take up the thorny question of the situation of divorce and remarried catholics. these are catholics who have been through a divorce, who have gotten remarried without an annulment, that is an official church declaration, that their first marriage was dissolved. under the current rules, they are supposed to be exclude from the sack rrament of communion. the pope brought that up in a famous press conference last july. it is pleased that believed he

use that to roll out a change and if he does it would be a fairly dramatic change in the cases of millions of remarried catholics all over the world and a lot of people would see that a pretty significant step towards reform. >> especially with the divorce rate these days. what about american catholics? do they see in this country, in the united states, pope francis as being, a, renewed hope or perhaps, you know, becoming practicing catholics in the way that they might not be any more? and he is tailoring his message to them as well? >> reporter: well, look. my basic read about the grassroots reaction to francis in the united states is that he has worked what is basically a miracle which he has made it cool to be catholic again. i mean, there are people who will tell you. i run into this all the time. when i walk into restaurants or airports or i get in a cab and

somebody asks me what i do for a living and i tell them i cover the vatican, they say i've been catholic but i haven't been to church for 20 or 30 years, but something about this guy speaks to me and i feel like i want to come back. i think that is the grassroots take on this pope. now look. i mean, how long that is going to last and whether he is really going to be able to deliver on the expectations that various constituencies have is another question, but i think the immediate takeaway right now is that he is completely changed the conversation about the catholic church and sort of given this institution a new lease on life. >> right. i've heard the same thing too coming from catholics and noncatholics. people when are not practicing at all catholic say i like this pope, this pope is different. >> reporter: yeah. absolutely. i mean, look. the truth of it is that before march 13th when he was elected to the papacy. we know the basic stories we

were doing about the catholic church was sex abuse stories and that was not the base story today. the base story today is rock star pope takes the world by storm and from the point of view of the catholic church and prospect in the post-modern world, i would say most people look at that as a significant step forward in terms of the kind of attention the catholic church is getting. >> john allen, thanks very much. coming up this weekend, cnn will take a look at pope francis, a man of many first's. coming up on "around the world." china is sending a message to the united states saying, get your house in order. we will have that when we come back. ♪

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welcome back. the president and the house speaker are talking. mr. obama called john boehner this morning but they seem to be having the same old conversation. >> so the stalemate over the partial government shutdown is still on. meanwhile, we are looking a new reality in the house of representatives now. we tallied the votes there. there are enough, when you add it all up, to pass a bill that would reopen the government without recondition. >> here is how it adds up. there are a total of 432 members with three house seats vacant, divide that, the magic number is 216. we have revised from the beginning of the program. we are learned there are 18 republicans who would vote for a clean bill and that goes with the 200 democrats. >> right. but not enough house members are willing to force the speaker john boehner to bring it to a vote. boehner says he is not drawing a line in the sand on this shutdown but he is also not

budging from his position that the shutdown is essentially not his fault and not his party's fault. >> the u.s. is potentially defaulting on its debts nine days from now if congress didn't raise that all-important debt ceiling. china and japan are warning, yeah, raise it. >> china is now complaining. about a fiscal integrity of the united states of america, because we are arriving at a point in a feud, we are not going to pay our bills. this is america. >> check out these international headlines. these are not the worst of them. the uk's "independent" newspaper saying china to the u.s., get your fiscal house in order. >> china warns washington over

u.s. fiscal impasse. >> alison kosik is joining us now. china and japan are concerned about the u.s. financial impasse for one reason. they are holding most of the foreign debt. >> exactly. they are allowed to complain, right? china plaining? you can understand that. china and japan are our biggest creditors so they want to get paid. you look at who holds our debt. china holds 1.3 trillion dollars of our debt and they invest in the u.s. and buy our debt and that debt accrues interest and we have to pay that interest. china and japan, they want to make sure this happens but with every day that passes, the default becomes more likely. you've got china's finance minute ser speaking out today that the u.s. take steps to revolve in a timely way the debt ceiling. this is the first official response coming from china and we are hearing similar words from japanese officials world. >> one question. what happens to these countries if the united states does

default on its debt? >> that's a good question. analysts say what would happen you would see these affects felt sooner rather than later. the latest warning is from the ims research director. listen to this. >> the effects of any failure to repay the debt would be felt right away leading to potentially major disruptions in financial markets. both in the united states and aboeed. >> now we don't know for sure or what is going to happen because the fact of the matter is the u.s. has never defaulted ever before and analysts expect the global economies would take a hit and you would see stock markets around the globe fall. the value of the dollar would drop and global investors have to invest elsewhere and pressure on other currencies as well. many analysts are optimistic and they think congress is going to raise it in time but, look. the clock is ticking. october 17th is next week. >> also the damage done as well.

alison kosik, thanks so much. the damage done, even if they do raise it, we have gone through a another couple of weeks of uncertainty and the outside looking in on the u.s. is saying are you guys going to do this every year? >> some said after vladimir putin -- america on political freedom and china and japan telling it how to run its economy. a lot of countries outside of the united states telling it how to run its business. coming up, we are live from detroit about people are sounding off about this government shutdown. >> we will have that next for you. stay with us on "around the world." ♪ they haul everything, safely and on time. ♪ tracks! they connect the factories built along the lines. and that means jobs, lots of people, making lots and lots of things. let's get your business rolling now, everybody sing. ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? ♪ ♪ helping this big country move ahead as one ♪ ♪ norfolk southern how's that function? ♪

welcome back. it is 12:39 p.m. eastern. we are working two live events in washington right now. a senate lunch is getting

started. democrats and republicans breaking bread together. we will let you know if any news comes out of that gathering. also in a few minutes, republican senators lindsey graham and kelly ayotte will hold a news conference on that capture of al libi and we will monitor it and bring you any breaking news. michael? president obama says the longer this goes on the worst it will be. he is talking about the partial government shutdown. americans coast-to-coast want to know when the politicians are going to stop fighting and fix this mess. what has been your message to washington? well, we sent ted rowlands to detroit to find out. ted, what did they tell you? >> reporter: michael, we have been on the road for a week now. it is impossible to overstate

how absolutely disgusted the majority of the people we have talked to are with politicians on capitol hill. we are asking them what message would you send to washington last night when we were in a cafe in detroit. one of them said, you know what? it's partially our fault because we voted those people into office. >> if you don't participate in certain elections, it turns out that you will have, you know -- i was on about to use a bad word. you will have complete idiots elected who will do nothing but hold our government hostage. >> i think they should all get a life and get out and do the job right. if you can't do it, then you have to go. >> it's deplorable. i don't like it. and i have a great issue with the idea of a career politician. the one thing that i think our forefathers never contemplated and it is what has brought our

system down nick by nick, year by year, over the past 225 years to where we are at now. >> reporter: it's one of the recurring things we have heard is that people are disappointed with the system. instead of sending the best and brightest to washington to represent different areas of the country, we're ending up sending people that are just spineless and ego maniacs and really don't have the constituents at heart and people are angry. the longer this goes o i can guarantee you they will get more disgusted. >> we had you on than cnn international earlier. i've had tweets about your report. they say these people were spot on what they were telling you. do they get more specific in who they blame? do they blame john boehner, the tea party, congress, the president, who? >> reporter: i think it's gotten past that point and people are now disgusted and evaluating the

whole system. how did we get here? you heard that guy talking about forefathers not envisioning career politicians. they are disgusted by the behavior. this was on everybody's calendar and the fact the debt ceiling is in jeopardy they are disgusted and they are scared they will come up with another 11th hour news conference and then a disgusting news conference congrco congraco con -- congratulating themselves. coming up, he killed his 5-year-old daughter and many people wanted him sentenced to death but he got a much, much lighter sentence in exchange for something called blood money. we will explain this horrific story out of saudi arabia next.

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death, her precious smile became a symbol of unspeakable brutality. after beaten and tortured, she lingered in a hospital for months before succumbing to a crushed skull, broken ribs, and burns. the case caused outrage across saudi arabia. many shocked not just what happened but who had been accused of doing it to her. her father, a self-styled saudi cleric. nobody known for preaching tolerance on tv. on monday a court found him guilty. many thought he would pay for the crime with his life but instead he was sentenced to eight years in prison and 600 lashes. according to an official with a government backed rights group, the father was ordered to pay restitution what they call here blood money. in a conservative country where the death penalty is common, the

saudi commissioners expressed disgust. this is not justice, tweeted another. some point out what they called a travesty that killing the doubt was that similar to a saudi activist recently sentenced to 600 years in jail and lashings. mohammed amadi sold cnn the father might have been executed had the mother not her original request of the death money but instead gave up it for blood money. many saudis are asking now if those laws are applied fairly. mohammed jamjoom, cnn, beirut. >> tragic story.

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remember this? it was a riveting story. you had somali pirates seizing an american crew and the ship's heroic captain rises to the occasion. that story is now a feature movie starring tom hanks. >> this is the alabama. we are unarmed boat and have a pirate situation. >> the crew says they get it all wrong. drew griffin talked to both sides. >> reporter: as their captain was claimed a hero the cruise watched and bit their tongue. >> we vowed we would take it to our grave. we weren't going to say anything. then we hear this pr stuff

coming out of about him giving himself up and he is still hostage and the whole crew is like what? just everybody is in shock. >> back in 2010, the alabama's chief engineer mike perry told us he and most of the crew couldn't believe the story being painted about their captain, captain richard phillips. that he had given himself up in exchange for the safety of his crew. left out of the entire story says perry is the captain's recklessness that steered the maersk alabama into pirate infessed waters. according to the crew members captain phillips set a course to save money. that route would shorten the trip and according to third engineer john cronan, put the crew directly in harm's way. >> he was advised to change course by competent deck officers and he overruled them.

stay on course and make rtea. stay on the same course. >> reporter: in a 2010 interview, phillips told us he was not used to criticism. when cnn confronted him with these e-mails and the crew's concern he said the first time his judgment had been questioned. the complaint there were critical e-mails to your ship stressing to go out to sea. >> we will deal with that. that is what this is based on. >> reporter: is it true? >> there were warnings but i don't know what authorities he is talking about. he doesn't say. >> reporter: i have the e-mails. >> yeah. ? >> reporter: you've seen the e-mails. >> i haven't seen the e-mails since i've been on the ship. >> reporter: but you were waerned to go further out to sea. >> warned to stay clear of an area, yeah. >> reporter: the captain is now a witness in a contentious lawsuit between some of the crew

and the shipping company. in a deposition just last year, captain phillips admitted he did, indeed, receive the e-mail warnings. he also admits he kept the warnings to himself. asked by a plaintiff's attorney, why he didn't move further offshore? phillips testifies, "i don't believe 600 miles would make you safe. i didn't believe 1,200 miles would make you safe." phillips told us much of the criticism is joined by museum nature and by lawsuits filed by members of his crew. he also says the story itself was fueled by a press that wanted a hero, a captain who saved his crew, a good story and now a movie. >> four pirates! four pirates! >> the media got everything wrong. i don't know how i can control this when i'm in a life boat and the media is saying i gave mice up for it. in the book, if you read it, have you read that? >> reporter: i did. >> so you know i didn't give myself up. i was already a hostage by then.

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involved the cruise ship costeda concoria. divers are going through that ship since they set it upright and find more human remains. the ship capsized off g, glio island last year. 32 people died and two of the bodies never found and these are possibly those of a missing crew member. they were found on the bridge. other remains were found a week or two back. the ship sets upright after that engineering program to lift it off its side. the u.s. financial situation being modern right around the world as we have been reporting here. i want to give you a sampling of some of the international headlines and these, in many ways, are the kind ones. let's go to the china daily in hong kong, the lead story "china calls on the u.s. to stay sovereign." china is the biggest holder of u.s. debt, foreign holder any way. in thedl