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thanks for joining us. we'll be back here same time, same night hoping for a miracle in washington because, you know, miracles do happen even when they do involve politicians. ac 360 starts right now. erin, thanks very much. good evening everyone. tonight, why the white house and lawmakers were shocked, shocked families of fallen soldiers are not getting death benefits are not surprised. everyone had ample warning at their disposal on the record. tonight, keeping them honest. another arrest in the biker attack and growing questions about the police officers who were there including one whose accused of taking part and later, allegations of a coverup in a young man's death and allegations this was not accident and a second revelation on the autopsy of this young man that could blow the case wide open. one incredibly heart wrenching consequence of the government shutdown, something that is tore meanting people
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that are hurting beyond words. families of fallen soldiers not getting death benefits. a private charity agreeing to step up and help but the public servants had at least two specific warnings about it. they had every reason to know this was going to happen, the warnings were on the record. secretary hagel went to observe the return of four soldiers killed in afghanistan. under ordinary circumstances, their families would be there at the taxpayer's expense, the cost of $100,000 in military death benefi benefits, money to come to dover to bring their loved one back home or to a military cemetery to pay for the funeral. it's the least they can do. when the shutdown began the payments stopped. when the stories of suffering began the officials and elected representatives began lining up to voice their outrage. >> i'm ashamed. i'm enbarszed. >> a great injustice. >> appalling.
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>> frighting. >> disgraceful. >> outrageous. >> we will not stand for this outrage. >> for shame. >> some of those voices belong to lawmakers who opposed the moves that led to a government shutdown, some are from people that put us on the path we're on. keeping them honest, they were warned specifically this would happen. today boehner said our staff did not receive communication from the department of defense on this top pick until after we passed the bill. speaker boehner and any lawmaker could know. on september 27th the pentagon sent a memo on who gets hurt in a shutdown. one item reading quote, we won't be able to pay some billing during shutdown. the very first subfor deaths that occur during the shutdown, no death benefits can be paid to any family members until the shutdown ends. on that same day the pentagon's comptroller briefed reporters. >> we would be required to do other bad things to our people.
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examples, we couldn't pay death gratuities for those who die on active duty during the lapse. >> anyone who is angry now shouldn't be that surprised. as a private charity steps in to fill the gap, lawmakers can go through these doors and blow off steam at the congressional gym because shutdown or not, while hundreds of thousands of americans are furloughed, keeping that gym up and run sg deemed essential, it remains open. there was other developments on ending this mess. dana bash joins us. there is a rare phenomenon on the hill, actual bipartisan talks. what do you know? >> reporter: there are bipartisan talks and i don't want to burst the bubble and make you think this is going on down pennsylvania avenue or in any official way. washington is still broken, nothing has changed. in all seriousness, there are lots of distugss that have been going on for days sort of son
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the senate floor, on the house floor, off the house floor. to be clear, they are informal discussions going on among likely suspects that do come up with deals that ultimately see fruition. for the most part as one senior democratic source said to me, people are -- have a lot of time on their hands right now because there is nothing else to do and everybody wants to be the one to save the republic. >> paul ryan put forward ideas, how seriously is that being taken? >> reporter: you know, the truth is, as you like to say on this show "keeping them honest" not so much on the short-term. because what paul ryan said were things we heard from republicans for awhile. the idea of tax reform, the idea of entitlement reform and more, but that is not something that anybody really in the republican leadership thinks they can
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achieve in the short term which is what we're talking about here. the much more likely scenario if there is any option right now is what you and i talked about last night, which is that six week stopgap debt ceiling increase, and that is the time they will have to negotiate. it's unclear how much they can get done that paul ryan and others are suggesting, big picture and big changes in entitlements and so forth. >> there was a meeting between house democrats. you got news from a lawmaker that attended. what came out of it? >> that's right, a democratic lawmaker i spoke with said the president was more firm in his commitment to having that temporary six-week increase in the debt ceiling than he has at all in public. he's signalled it in public but much more clear in private and the reason he said he would be willing to do this if republicans agreed is because this is a quote, if that's what boehner needs to climb out of the tree he's stuck in, that's something we should look at. the fact the president is signaling this to house
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democrats could be yet, another sign this is where the exit strategy is going, in fact this democratic lawmaker said that's how he came out of the meeting feeling, however, as we said, there is no direct conversations so we're not sure how far it can get. but house republicans, the leadership and key committee chairmen will go to the white house tomorrow and invited the cause cut and leadership said no, we won't do that. we'll bring people we think can actually have the negotiations republicans have been demanding. >> thanks very much. appreciate it. steve king of iowa is a headliner in the government shutdown and debt ceiling. he told chris that talk of the default if the country doesn't raise the debt ceiling is wrong. thank you for coming. >> thank you very having me. >> a clean funding bill, short-term debt limit increase, is that something you would at
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all support? >> at this point i don't think so. i would look at it and read it through and see what we have if we're making progress with any length of time that one might extend the debt ceiling. i'm not one that said i'll never vote to raise the debt ceiling but it should be comparable. the problem we have is a risk of and i've been warning against it for a week conflating the issues for this partial shutdown, needing a c.r. to get the government going again compared to the debt ceiling when those two things, if they come together, we won't be able to define the difference between the two because already they are conflating the style. i want to separate them and resolve the issue with the c.r. and i don't think there is an emergency on the debt ceiling. we are spending less than 10% of the revenue to service the debt and this alarm about default is false. >> the plan that paul ryan wrote made no mention of defunding obama care, does that make it a
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non-starter? >> i don't want to say non-starter because he's talking about the debt ceiling versus the c.r., one of the two. but this c.r. has been about obama care and shutting off the funding to implement or enforce obama care and i wrote that language back in february of 2011. i am invested in it deeply and i think it's important we hold the line and yet, if we cannot actually contemplate the idea we would go on forever and not increase the debt ceiling. let's make sure conditions are right for each one of them. for me if the entitlement reforms are strong enough, i'll take a good look at it. better yet, if we bring a balanced budget amendment to the constitution through the house and the senate and send it to the states where 38 would have to ratify, that would be something that would cause me to take a real good look at a debt ceiling because that the where the problem is. this congress doesn't have the discipline to balance the budget and start to pay down the national debt. a balanced budget would bring that discipline. that's what the president fears. if he opposes a balanced budget
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amendme amendment, i realize he doesn't get a vote. if he says i won't negotiate with you, he's saying i never want to see the federal government compelled live within its means. >> try and answer this for me because i asked this to a couple people and haven't quite got an answer i can understand. republicans are saying there is no point in bringing this up for a clean c.r., for a vote on this in the house, that it wouldn't pass. democrats are continuing to call for that or bring it up for a vote, bring it up for a vote. it will pass. there are republicans that would support and democrats. why not, from your standpoint, why not, if you feel confident that it would not pass, why not bring it up for a vote, for a clean vote and let it fail and that way you take away the strategic argument from the democrats. >> i wouldn't argue that a c.r., as they describe it is clean and i don't think it's clean at all
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that it wouldn't pass. we said this -- >> so you think it might pass. >> i think it might pass. we have a constitutional obligation, we have constitutional authority to start the spending in the house, to start the taxization in the house, anything that generates revenue and that's setup so the house of representatives as a quick reaction force will hold the president in check or the senate in the interest of the people. we have a full constitutional responsibility to do that and obama care was passed on a purely partisan agenda on the narrowest of margins and i often said thomas jefferson said large initiatives shouldn't be an vanced on slender majorities. it was not just a slender majority but a purely partisan majority. the american people rejected obama care and elected us to the house of representatives to put an end to it, and this is the leverage point, this is where we need to make the stand, anderson. >> isn't it, you're a big believer in the constitution, obviously, is everybody is in this country or should be, i mean, that's what our
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constitutional calls for, a majority vote, the majority passed obama care was a slender majority as you say, you say it's very possible a majority in the house would pass a so-called clean c.r. isn't that constitutional the way the system works? >> remember, though, the constitution also says the speaker will be elected to be the speaker of the whole house and that the majority controls the house of representatives, that's also the structure for government and they determine the things that will be debated and voted upon and that always hasn't made me happy, either. i had my frustrations with the system. we're trying to bring out the will of the people and even though we're into the eighth or ninth day of this partial shutdown and there are tough spots, especially seeing the caskets come off dover, those are tough to see, however it's settled, the clamps are down, the pressure goes up, the temperature goes up every day and the american people will
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decide this. as they dialogue back and forth, they will call their members of congress. they will write their letters to the editor and in the end the american people will sort it out. this is a constitutional issue. the president cannot be allowed to legislate but executive and we're in the check and balance situation. it's about the institution, is the institution going to hold ground and be the legislative body. the president changed obama care at least twice since the supreme court decided it was constitutional. we can't let that go on, either, anderson otherwise the president took over the article one powers. >> thanks very coming on. john king joins me and gloria borger and david gurrigan. he thinks sort of the idea of this doomsday scenario about not raising the debt is made up or over stated. >> well, anderson, you got a
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little support from moodies that issued a report saying they thought we could pay our debts, even if we go into default we could pay our bond holders, but overwhelming sentiment from all the big banks, from the ceos, from manufacturers, from economists, from the international communities, you don't want to go down that path. it's extraordinary dangerous. you already put a gun to the president's head and the country's head. it's playing russian roulette and the congressman king can say whatever he wants but the vast majority of people who really understand this issue are warning seriously do not allow this country to go into default. it could have very, very calamitous consequences and throw a lot of people out of work. >> david, you do see signs of what the president said of a short-term extension and what paul ryan wrote in the wall street journal. you think there is a possibility of traction there? >> i do, anderson.
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beneath the red trick which remains hot, we had two concessions now. the president made a concession by saying he's willing to take a short-term extension of the debt ceiling in order to let negotiations get started. that's a big concession and republicans ought to grab it. paul ryan has come along and said in such negotiations, we ought to talk about entitlement reform and tax reform but he did not talk about health reform. in other words, he's not insisted that obama care demolition is -- would have to be part of the negotiation that gives both sides a chance to have a six or eight-week pause and i talked to a major leader in the house republican side who believes if they can get that pause, there would be enough votes among republicans to work with democrats to support it and get into a negotiation. >> john, had the house gop leadership heading the white house tomorrow as dana was talking about, do you also see the possibility of some sort of a breakthrough? >> i think any time they get in
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the room, it's a good thing. they need to start talking. now some will say it's talking, some will say it's negotiating. i'll leave that to them. the american people think they need to get in a room and figure it out. he can win by blaming republicans but unless he helps speaker boehner out of the mess, his second term agenda is gone. they need each other until the midterm elections and you'll find people that think the democrats can take the house back. they may not like or trust each other but they need each other at the moment. the reason i'm a bit skeptical is the conversation you just had with congressman king. paul ryan was once a hero to the conservatives in the house because they thought he would get out there on fiscal issues and demand reform and demand things beyond what many established republicans calling for and steve king saying i'm not sure and if it doesn't have obama care, i'm not for it. so the reason i'm still skeptical is republicans haven't completely sorted out their own
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problems yet, let alone their questions for the president. >> gloria, for house republicans like congressman king, i mean, they ran on defunding or getting rid of the affordable care act. >> yeah, i mean, this is -- you know, this is their reason for being -- they came out of congress saying they are going to defund obama care, doesn't matter what the supreme court did. they believe it's bad for the c economy and this was not hatched by paul ryan. paul ryan is not part of this defunding obama care. it was hatched by what i call the hell no caucus among house republicans and they are the ones saying to john boehner, you know, we don't want you to give in. so know you have this compromise you're talking about, a short term extension perhaps, but what i hear congress man king saying, which is so interesting to me is that maybe they could come up with some short-term compromise on the debt ceiling, because that's so dangerous, but in a
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way, still keep the government closed and not compromise on that and still tie obama care to that, so it's a little bit of have your cake and eat it, too. >> yeah, gloria borger, appreciate you, david king. >> you can follow me on twitter at anderson cooper. the death of a young man named kendrick johnson, the official report calls it an accident. new evidence points to foul play and revelations about the treatment of his body are almost unspeakable. another exclusive, another surv surviv survivor, the young woman in that photo is talking about her ordeal. >> i remember her looking at me and saying are we going to die? it was the first time i was thinking to myself i think we are. i told her i think we are going to. customer erin swenson ordered shoes from us online
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welcome back, breaking news, a seventh arrest after a new york city police detective arraigned in criminal court accused of being a group of motorcyclist that pulled the driver and beat him. the officer seen leaving court hurdled under a black hooded sweat shirt was charged with assault, gang assault and
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criminal mischief. the detective shashed the back window of the suv. his defense attorney denies that. the undercover detective was off duty. sus susan joins us with the latest. what do we know about it? >> we don't know very much other than this is another civilian biker and he's also charged with gang assault among other charges. we know that he's 31 years old. his name is james cuney from the new york area. they haven't released anything else about him. this makes seven people charged by the manhattan district attorney's office in the last ten days, anderson. >> the arraignment of the under cover police officer, what are details of it? >> very interesting. we are learning about the charges, as you said he allegedly smashed the rear window of the suv and kicked it. however, the defense attorney is saying the prosecutors have it all wrong and in fact, he claimed that the video, well, as he put it exonerate his client.
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but i'm learning now more details about the questioning of that off duty undercover detective. i am told that when he first came in, he was telling different stories. first, i am told he implied that he was working an undercover detail and that he didn't want to blow his cover, and then i'm told he allegedly said that i didn't really see the assault. then investigators said that they found all kinds of video evidence that, in fact, he was an active player showing him allegedly smashing that rear window as well as kicking it. >> what are you learning about the other undercover police officer who is allegedly involved in this? >> new details on that. he was riding, off duty but riding with the undercover detective who by the way works intelligence for nypd and did not appear, the second one, to be involved in the assault in any way but they are looking for other officers that might be
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involved. >> and they are still looking for more people they believed are involved. >> they are but the main focus i'm told now is on the main people who are civilian bikers who they believe were involved in the direct assault, the attack on that suv driver and put out pictures. they are still looking for many other people at this time. one other civilian biker was in court today, client kant caldwe charged with reaching into the window of the suv's driver. however, his lawyer says didn't happen than way at all, in fact, he just asked the man to turn off the engine, that he just accused him of rolling over those other bikers earlier on. >> appreciate it. we have also tonight breaking news from florida where ten people stuck on a roller coaster at universal orlando. these are live pictures right there you're looking at. you can see it's obviously getting dark there. the orlando fire department tells the station that the call came in just over an hour ago
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that the people were stuck. that's really all the information we have now but it seems like they are stuck. there are folks it looks like on the ride outside the areas where they are stuck and susan, is there -- is also seeing these images. susan this is the first i'm seeing. it clearly looks like there is a number on people on top of sort of the peak of that ride but dangerously, that ride seems stuck kind on in a vertical position. >> yeah, it appears that way. they said they were able to get the other people off the ride and that's the last kind of car in it's place and it looks like the people are kind of leaning over and looking down but the good news is they are there and trying to get those people off the ride safely. >> susan, i know you have more on the 360 bulletin. >> i do with the obama administration, the united states is suspending hundreds of millions of dollars they are spending in aid to egypt. it's a temporary measure until the u.s. sees credible progress
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towards free and fair elections and the relationship with the egyptian government will be maintained. the u.s. d.a. is demanding the company in a salmonella outbreak will respond tomorrow. the chicken has been linked to salmonella cases that made 278 people in 18 states sick. the owner of the washington redskins is defending his decision not to change the team's name. despite criticism that it's offensive to native americans. in a letter to fans, dan snider says he respects the feelings but after 81 years, the team's name holds memories of quote where we came from, who we are, and where we want to be in the years to come so he says no change according to him. >> thanks very much. for more go to cnn.com. up next, new revelations in the death of a georgia teenager. exclusive reporting on that. and an interview with the survivor of the kenya massacre. ] campbell's homestyle soup with farm grown veggies.
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the death of kendrick johnson, was it an accident or murder? tonight we continue our reporting on this case trying to get at the truth of what happened this this young man. he was a 17-year-old high school student in georgia, an athlete whose body was found upside down, rolled up in a gym mat in january. investigators ruled the death a tragic accident while reaching for a sneaker, they say he got stuck in the rolled up mat and s suffocated. a former fbi agent reviewed the photographs from the scene and believes kendrick was involved in foul play. pictures, multiple blood points
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dripping down a wall in the gym. local investigators concluded it didn't belong to kendrick and never tested to see whose blood it was. an orange and black gym shoe found near his body, didn't belong to their son but it's believed there is blood on the shoe. the stains were something other than blood they said so the shoe was not collected as potential evidence and a sweat shirt found near the body which may have blood on the cuff but the lab report does not indicate it was tested, either. the former fbi agent said he was dumbfounded indicating this potential evidence should have been collected. kendri kendrick's parents never believed the conclusion and hired a pathologist for a second autopsy. what that pathologist found is shocking. >> reporter: it's the second time she cried next to his grave, the second time he is being lowered into the ground. this time he's being pulled out
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of it. >> did you ever expect you would have to exhume his body? >> no, i didn't expect to have to bury it. >> reporter: in june kendrick's body was sent to florida and they hired a doctor to conduct a second autopsy and he found evidence kendrick died as a result of a blow to the neck and not accidental asphyxia after slipping into a mat at school. what dr. anderson did not find shocked them. >> when we got the body for the second autopsy, the organs, the heart, lungs, liver, et cetera were not with the body. >> the brain? >> the brain, they were all absent. >> reporter: every organ from the top of kendrick's head to his pelvis gone, and his family had no idea. >> we have been let down again, and when we buried kendrick, we
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thought we was burying kendrick, not half of kendrick. >> i'm not sure at this point who did not return the organs to the body, but i know when we got the body, the organs were not there. >> reporter: so cnn contacted the two entities who had his body and access to his organs. the georgia burr reof investigation and harringed to funeral home which the johnsons chose to embalm and prepare his body for burial days later. a spokeswoman says after its autopsy the organs were placed in johnson's body, the body was closed and released to the funeral home. state investigators say it's the normal practice but what happened after his body arrived at the funeral home was anything but normal. >> what was in the place of the organs? >> newspaper. >> newspaper? >> reporter: dr. anderson showed me the pictures of kendrick's body he had taken during the
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second autopsy. >> it's a black friday add, j.c. penney ad. >> stuffing newspaper in like he was a garbage can inside his body. it's unbelievable. >> reporter: i would imagine that's a different kind of pain. >> yeah. >> reporter: why do you think there would be newspaper stuffed in your child? >> i never heard of that before, never. >> reporter: neither had the founder of a national enbalming academy who said it's not consistent with the standers of care nor had the president of the national association of medical examiners who told cnn he never heard of this practice. why would the funeral home discard organs and stuff him with newspaper? did the funeral home do with his organs and why was he stuffed with newspaper? we went to their office to find out but their response to us, no
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comment. however, in a letter to the johnson's attorney, harrington funeral home denies he received kendrick's organs. he writes his internal organs were destroyed through natural process and hence, were discarded before the body was sent back. it's another disappointing answer for parents determined to know what happened to their son before and now after his death. and they admit they are struggling. >> unbearable just about. the only thing that wakes you up in the morning is just to keep pushing. >> victor blackwell joins us now. this is unbelievable. newspaper inside this young man's body. i understand there is an investigation into where kendrick johnson's organs went and why? >> we contacted the georgia secretary of state's office because they issue licenses to funeral homes and wanted to check on the history of
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harrington funeral home and when we said why we were calling, they, too, wanted to know where are kendrick johnson's organs and wanted to know this practice of stuffing bodies with newspapers, something they never heard of either. >> how was the family's autopsy doctor able to determine the cause of death. >> i asked him if the organs aren't there how can you determine how kendrick died? he says essentially blunt force trama was not in the organs but the right side jaw noted as bruised on the paramedics report when he was found. he dissected the jaw, found bleeding under the skin. he dissected the left side, as well, did not find the bleeding and concluded that bruising, indicated with the bleeding there was blunt force trama that kendrick took that blow to the neck. >> victor, one thing i hadn't noticed and a viewer who works in gyms noticed and tweeted me about this the other day, looks like all the mats are realed
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really tightly except for the one kendrick was found in and that seems to have a large opening. i don't know if there is any significant to that or just a coincidence, but it was a viewer who pointed that out. victor, say there because there is so many unanswered questions in this case. i want to bring in jeffrey toobin. the idea of newspaper found in this young man, i mean, when his body was brought back up. does the funeral home face legal liability for that? >> certainly, they have their license by the state, and as we heard, they -- there is going to be investigation. there is a potential, of course, for some sort of lawsuit by the family, but i mean, what the family really wants is to know how he died, and what makes this situation so frustrating, as well as tragic is that the evidence is gone. the failure to collect evidence at the scene, you can't be
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corrected now. >> can't even test multiple samples of blood drippings down -- >> blood on a wall. that's really shocking photograph. i mean, that's not the way most gyms look. if you have a dead body in a gym with blood streaming down the wall, you would think at least test it, but again, it's too late now, which makes figuring out what happened even more difficult. >> or you would think somebody who works at the school, works at the gym or goes to that school would know, oh, yeah, that was that time my friend hit their head on the wall and that's where that blood is from. it seems odd thing not to at least even kind of inquire about. >> the fact that the evidence in the scene where he was found is gone, the fact that the autopsy and the organs are gone, it makes reopening this investigation very difficult, even if some -- the u.s. attorney, some new investigator wanted to do it, it's hard to know what they would actually do. >> jeff toobin, appreciate the
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tonight a 360 exclusive, an interview you'll only see here. a survivor is speaking out. her story is remarkable. 67 people died during the four-day seeing. the first minutes of the attack were utter chaos. the 26-year-old american was hurt but somehow managed to get out alive. how she did it is extraordinary. these pictures show her running from the building. she was judging a children's cooking competition when the militants stormed the mall. i spoke to her, her mom and sister. tell me about what you first realized something wrong was happening to the mall. >> i was at the tent area of the
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children's cooking competition. i was with the judges, and we just heard a lot of screaming and people running outside of the mall onto the rooftop because we were on the rooftop. i heard like just booms. >> what happened then? >> one of the precentesencentes the cooking competition said it's a boom blast, run. i had a feeling whatever this was was not a simple bomb and there was people involved so my instinct said don't go with the crowd, move away from the crowd because the crowd is the most vulnerable place. i hid at a silver kitchen counter. >> there were people hiding with you. >> yeah, when i ran i fell on top of a lady and people fell on top of me. so our legs were sticking out and as we were here, i heard more shooting and the lady i was on top of was shot so she screamed i've been shot and
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there started to be blood everywhere. >> what is going through your mind? were you panicked? were you thinking -- >> yeah, my first instinct i was shaking and panicked but i felt like i need to focus and i need to assess the situation and figure out what i need to do and in my head i was thinking there needs to be an answer for this. for me, this is not it. i need to keep thinking and find a way out. so i'm behind the counter. i want was actually around this time i see my friend and i see him get up and go like this. that's all i see. i don't see him go like this and walk away. >> he put his hands snup. >> yeah, he put his hands up. so i was thinking oh my goodness, if i surrenderer and apologize or do whatever, i could be free. so i was actually preparing myself to be the next one to surrenderer, and then another woman did it before me and i saw her do this and get up and then they -- and then she was shot. >> so they actually shot a woman whose hands were up who was
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surrendering. >> that's what i saw. i saw her being shot, yeah. >> then what? >> then they shot into the crowd again, and they actually shot one of the gas canisters and that's when it blew up and that's when i remember incurring my injuries. i said okay, i've been shot but that's okay because i knew i was fine. i was still being able to run. >> had you actually been shot or was that shrapnel. >> it was shrapnel. the husband of the couple had been shot and was laying on the ground bleeding and the wife was against the counter and i joined them, and as they were shooting into the crowd again, they then she was next to be shot. so she started bleeding and then it was -- >> so her husband was shot and then she got shot. >> and then i thought i was shot. i remember her looking at me and saying are we going to die? it was actually the first time when i was thinking to myself, i think we are and i told her, i think we are going to and i
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started -- >> you said that to her? >> yeah. >> you really thought this was it? >> yeah, at this point it was kind of the weird thing where i was thinking, yes, i think i'm going to die and i have to prepare for it and i don't want to freak out or stress out about this, but at the same time i was thinking i can't die and my brother was the first person i thought of and my sister and mother and everyone else. i said this cannot be it. >> it's hard for you to hear this, isn't it? >> very hard. >> did you see what was happening on tv? did you know she was there? >> my older daughter, she told me i thought it's a dreaming, you know, i thought can't be. she told me her sister got shot. i said oh my god, you know. i almost passed out. i say can't be happen to my daughter, you know. i say happen to her i don't think i can live. but i'm glad she's okay.
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>> she's very strong. very strong daughter. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so you're sitting there with a woman whose been shot, her husband whose been shot, as well and you say to them that i think we mayday? >> and then i just thought okay, my next thing to do right now is just pretend i'm dead. and so i just laid and i made it a point to lay towards where the shooting was happening because i still wanted one, to have eyesight and vision in case i needed to see what was happening, and two, i didn't want to be shot in my back because i didn't want to be paralyzed if i needed to run. >> how did you get out? >> after some time, like seven minutes or ten minutes, i seen another man walk by and he passes me, i think he thinks i'm dead and i said what is going on? he said people are going down stairs. i see a police officer and people running out so i follow
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them. we go out to this lobby area and the doors open and i'm still very frightened to even run, you know, run out of the door but i see people running and i don't hear gunshots so i'm thinking this is safe. so i start going and running and that's when the lady in the picture that's been posted about me, her name was henna, she approached me and said are you okay? she saw i was alone and had been hurt. >> when you see that photo taken of you now, what do you think? >> i go back and forth between was i really there or -- because when i talk about it, i talk about it like sometimes like i'm very removed from the situation, but when i see the photograph and other photos of the victims or people that i knew, that's what i realize i was there. so it actually puts me back, which i actually think at this point is a good thing, because i think removing myself too much this early is probably not
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healthy from my mind but that's how i've been coping with it is to actually make it seem like it's removed from me. >> would you want to go back? >> i do, definitely. i do want to go back. i don't know when but i do. i consider it my second home. >> so it hasn't changed the way you feel about kenya? >> if anything, it increased the love i have for the country and the people, especially my close friends and co-workers. >> nobody ever knows how they will respond when gunshots go off. some people think they can handle it don't and some that think they wouldn't be able to handle it are completely able to. you now know how good you are in a crisis. >> thank you. >> thank you for talking. >> thank you for having us. >> incredible story. elaine's family set up a website to raise money for her medical extensions because she faces a number of expenses. the website is go get funding.com slash
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made it aboard the hollywood rip ride rocket in orlando. a spokesperson saying it suffered a technical glitch, emergency brakes came on and everything worked as designed, except not really work when designed when stuck that left a lot of people hanging. most have been taken off the ride. ten remain stuck according to the spokesman, no one has been hurt. we're monitoring the situation. susan is back with the 360 bulletin. anderson, the first adult to face charges related to the teen rape case in ohio pleaded not guilty at his arraignment. the 53-year-old school administrator is charged with tampering with evidence and three other counts, as well. two high school football players were convicted of raping the 16-year-old girl. a grand jury is investigating whether others broke laws in connection to the case. police are trying to figure out how the 9-year-old boy slipped past airport security
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and hopped on a flight from minnesota to las vegas. today the boy's father described his son he's history of problems and asked for help in the past. >> i'm tired of people saying he's a minor, there is nothing we can do. there is something somebody can do. i don't want to see my son hurt. i miss my son. i want my son home. >> he obviously didn't want to be seen on camera there. this dog earned a medal after finishing a marathon he crashed. he was on the lamb and slipped out of his leash the night before, his fourth escape. not clear he he found the race. he was reunited with owners at a local shelter and has a micro shelter. he liked the running. >> glad you explained he didn't want to be seen on camera. i thought that was a fashion statement of some sort. >> i was like where is he? >> is that his nose, is that his mouth? >> i know.
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