equivalent of muscles. and so what we found is that people use less energy when they walk with it. people walk generally faster and they go up stairs and down stairs and up slopes and down slopes. >> we are out of time. thanks so much for watching. >> "state of the union" starts now. if words were action, we would be done with this. but they aren't. and we're not. today upbeat after a thursday meeting with the president -- >> we had a very useful meeting. saturday the shift that senate republicans will get rolled by the president. >> he's hoping to cut a deal with the senate which would, i think, be a terrible deal to undermine the house. >> will senate republicans sell out their house counterparts. our exclusive with ran paul. >> i did have a opportunity to

present the plan that many of us have been working on. >> democrats have rejected her compromised plan but maine republican susan collins labors on p she joins us along with her senate colleague minnesota democrat amy cobichar. plus, our political panel on the republican brand, the president's leg sapresiden president's legacy and the debt ceiling debate. this "state of the union." >> good morning from washington. i'm candy crowley. we're 13 days into this partial government shutdown and no signs of a deal. democrats met with the president last night and say they're united. they will not negotiate until congress ends the shutdown and lifts the debt ceiling. jim acosta is here. jim, take us inside last night's meeting. what was the purpose? >> well, the purpose was really, candy, to get democrats on the same page. and they have been very united through all this. you've seen some of the

fracturing inside the republican party. that has not really been the case with democrats. and the sense that we're getting today, candy, as you know, senate majority leader harry reid and top senate democratic leaders were here at the white house. but that followed a very important meeting that occurred yesterday between harry reid and mitch mcconnell. that is essentially the first time these two leaders have met over these negotiations to reopen the government and to raise the nation's debt ceiling. there is another meeting expected later today although one is not scheduled at this point. interesting to note, candy, one new development in all of this, we're hearing from senate republicans who are saying that senate majority leader harry reid is insisting on change tooz the sequester as part of a larger deal to reopen the government and raise the nation's debt ceiling. of course, republicans are balking at that at this point. that is not a good sign as to where negotiations are headed. as you know, candy, reid is taking a harder position at this point. he is driving a hard bargain. >> he is, sequester being the

forced budget cuts. has the white house farmed this out to the democratic leader in the senate? where do they go from here? >> i think where it goes from here, candy, of course the global financial markets are going to start weighing in on what is happening in washington. the stock market is open on monday because of the -- in spite of the columbus day holiday. and so once the markets start reactsing to this gridlock in washington, that may force the hand of both democrats and republicans. but, of course, candy whatever comes out of the senate is something comes out of the senate the key question is here can house speaker john boehner get it through the house? that caucus of conservative republicans, that is where things really hinge. and at this point we're waiting to see what the white house and president obama have to say about the latest talks. we do expect them to continue later today. >> jim acosta, thank you. house republicans dropped out of negotiations with the president saturday leaving their members in the senate that will reopen the deal and resolve the debt ceiling before the deadline

next week. ran paul met with a president on the senate floor with a group of republicans. do you have a bottom low below which you will not go in accepting something that would end this standoff. i think compromises is in the eyes of the beholder. we offered 13 compromises this week to open the government. the democrats rejected each one of them. to me, there is a big picture problem. we have the debt. we're borrowing more than a million dollars every minute. we do have to address that. i think the one thing i cannot accept and the one thing that i think is really not even a compromise at all is the democrats want to exceed the sequester caps. these things that we but into law and restrain spending already. and it's funny, they're all about obama care being the law of the land. so is the sequester. the xwester is the l er iseques land. if we exceed that, it's a real

big step in the wrong direction. >> the sequester is force the budget cuts that unless there some agreement on capitol hill about spending, this he go into place. and the next round is expected to go into place in january. so now -- >> yeah. and to clarify -- >> and to clarify what the sequester cuts are, they're a cut in the rate of increase of spending because over ten years even with the sequester government will grow. it goes down for a year or two. we have a spending bill with no writers. now they want a spending bill that increases spending and will increase the debt. it's a nonstarter. >> is it a nonstarter you think with the rest of the senate republicans? >> i can't imagine that you'll get senate republicans to vote for something that exceeds the quester caps. i think it's a huge mistake for the country.

the number one problem we face is our debt. we have to do something about our debt. >> let me read you something that eric cantor, the majority leader in the house had to say when the house gave up negotiations. he said i know the president is trying to see which republican senator he can pick off in the senate. i hope that the senate republicans stand strong so we can speak with one boyce voice. you think at the end of the day senate republicans are more eager for some sort of resolution than house republicans are and will indeed sort of give up on what the things the house republicans have been pushing for. >> we're concerned about the

government being closed. i didn't want to be here in the beginning. i've been advocating more talk on a weekly basis when we're not going deadline to deadline. i've been advocating a bipartisan lunch for a year and a half now on a regular basis and we talk about the problems. >> i want to play you an international group talking about what would happen if next thursday is the day, if next thursday the congress has failed to lift the debt ceiling. take a listen. >> we have a real deadline with potentially, you know, cataclysmic consequences. >> to raise the debt ceiling would cause serious damage to the u.s. economy but also to the global economy. zbh i know some people on wall street that are telling me that the markets would react in a

very, very negative fashion. >> senator paul, i know you said you don't think the debt ceiling increases is that big of a deal. the more you listen to people, the more you read to economists, read what economists have to say, do you think it's worth the risk not to raise the debt ceiling? >> i think it's not a good idea to go through the debt ceiling deadline. i think we should go ahead and have an agreement in advance. that being said though, i think it's also irresponsible for the president who when he was a senator actually voted not to raise the debt ceiling. it's irresponsible for him to scare people. he should be the opposite, the leader of the country should be soothing the markets and saying we will always pay interest on our debt. we have plenty of revenue. we bring in $250 billion a month and we have $20 billion in interest payment. there absolutely no reason ever to default. and a good leader will be saying we will never default. >> would a good senator be saying we won't ever default? >> absolutely.

>> absolutely. we should never default and never miss a payment. not raising the debt ceiling means you have to balance your budget. it doesn't mean you default. and people are con flating the two and they're not the same thing. >> so your best calculation, do you think there are enough republicans in the senate to join with democrats to pass an increase in the debt ceiling? what if it came down to the wire and the only thing available is a clean debt ceiling increase, nothing on it. just in crease the debt ceiling? >> you know, i think at this point we have a vote on saturday, saturday, and it was to just raise it without any restrictions. and we all voted solidly against raising it without limit and without restrictions. that's what the democrats offered us yesterday. no limit over the next year, year and a half. we raise it as high as it goes. no limits. the american people don't want that. the vast majority of people are afraid of what this huge growth

in our deficit is going to do to us. and so, no, i think we have to restrain. there are two problems. and they're both problems. it is a problem for the marketplace to see gous go throh a deadline. but in 2011, we were downgraded because of how big our debt was, not because of getting close to a deaddeadline. the s&p 500 said we didn't do enough to cut spending and act fiscally responsible. it can happen again if we don't wake up and do something to manage this debt. >> i want to play you a little bit of a conversation that you had with senator mitch mcconnell, the republican leader on the senate side that was caught by cameras and then ask you a question on the other side. >> candy, that was private. you wouldn't play a private conversation on tv would you? >> no it, but i sure wouldn't talk when i had a mike on. so let me play this for you. hang on. >> i think if we keep saying we wanted to defund it, we fought for that. but now we're willing to

compromise on this, i think we're going to -- i think -- i know we don't want to be here. but we're going to win this. >> you still think you're going to win this? and what does winning this look like? >> you know the interesting thing about that conversation is i was on cnn about three minutes before that and i said exactly the same thing on television. not exactly in the same words. pretty dloclose. i've been saying we don't want to be here. we don't want to be in a shutdown. it is a failure of conversation to be in a shutdown. and what i mean by winning this is not that i think it's a political battle, but that i think it is untenable for the president to say he won't negotiate. and he still repeated that when we were in the white house the other day, he is talking to us which i think is negotiation but he is also saying i will not pay for raising of a debt ceiling if american people are just -- i have to get this without any conditions which is sort of him saying unconditional surrender which is not negotiation. so really in 2011 we added the

sequester. that was a good thing. we need to add more controls and restraint to government spending and this is precisely the time to do it. he's unlikely to negotiate when he doesn't have a deadline. >> i want to show our viewers a recent nbc news/wa"wall street journal" poll which asked people if they had a positive opinion of the democratic party. 39% said yes. 24% for republican party. tea party, 21%. lowest favorables for the tea party and the republican party ever in nbc/"wall street journal" polling. do you think as many have now started talking about -- i grant a lot of them are democrats, there is irrepairable harm done to the republican party? people talking about how this is the beginning of the endst republic -- end of the republican party as we know it. >> i think our demise is a little bit overstated. i say both parties are going to catch a lot of blame on this. this is not good --

>> do you agree that republicans are taking a lot? >> well, i think both are. i think democrats who think this is a parlor game, who think this is fun, democrats think we'll send government workers out there to close off the roadside viewing of mt. rushmore because that is funny. i don't think it is funny. i think democrats and republicans will catch blame. i don't want to be here. i don't see this as winning or losing. this is a lose-lose situation. we need to open up gouvernment. the president said he won't negotiate. and now it's senate democrats saying we don't -- we used to want to clean cr but we think you're squirming so now we want to raise spending and break the budget caps. i think we're seeing the senate democrats are getting greedy about this whole thing. >> do you see yourself at any point in the future being anything other than politically a member of the republican party?

>> you mean -- you're implying a third party or some other party? >> or if you want to become a democrat. there are lots of parties out there. just wonder if you see yourself being anything other than a republican? >> no. i've always been a republican. and i'm one of those people who actually is a real lover of the history of the republican party from the days of abolition to the days of civil rights. republican party has a really rich history. in our state, i'm really proud of the fact that the ones who overturn jim crow in kentucky were republicans fighting against an entirely unified democratic party. so am proud to be republican. i can't imagine being anything else. >> the last question, a lot of people have referred to senator ted cruz as the de facto head of the republican party. do you agree? >> i think that he's done a good job drawing attention to obama care. and that obama care is something that is going to be damaging to

people. and for that i think he's done a great service in bringing attention to i think something that's really going to be bad for a lot of americans. >> but you don't necessarily see him as the defactor hek defacto republican party. >> you have 46 of us. i think all of us think we're the leaders. you know, we have an official leader. we have official leadership. i don't think of us are ready to say oh, that he is our leader. there is no one leader. >> that's why we love the senator. thank you for joining us. ahead, compromise falls short. >> i appreciate her efforts as always to fandind a consensus. but the plan she suggested and i've seen and in writing is not

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member of congress including your representative if you could? 60% said, yeah, i would. but there's a lot of pressure and a lot of tension. >> there is. and there's a lot of justifiable anger at congress and at the president for failing to solve these problems. but i do want to say despite what people may read, there are a lot of constructive discussions going on behind the scenes. in my office yesterday there were two different meetings with 12 senators, six democrats including amy and six republicans to try to work away out of this impasse. >> and then we look up on tv and senator reid is saying, no. the collins plan is -- yeah, there is nothing in it. >> i was very surprised when senator reid said that. i don't know why he said it. i don't think it was very constructive. but the fact is we have a

responsibility to govern. and we're continuing to talk. and i'm still hopeful that at least we sparked a dialogue that did not exist before we put out a plan. and i think i made a real contribution that way. and that elements of the plan that senat that the senators we put forth will end up in the final compromise. >> why did senator reid just reject the collins plus which you've been working on or talking about in your office? why did he just reject it out of hand? >> i see this as a positive framework going forward. we need that now. you see that senator reid and mcconnell are talking and we got to the stage that the demands we heard from house republicans to put ideological things on the budget and shut the government down if they didn't defund obama care, if they didn't get something on birth control. that is behind us know.

i think the plan and work that we're doing is positive. i think what senator reid meant is that he wasn't going to accept every little detail of it. but i think he knows that there are positive things in that plan that are very good. for instance, we're talking about opening the government again and doing it in a smart time frame. we're talking about not having a default on our debt and being actually able to pay our bills again. we're talking about doing something in the long term on the budget, something this country has cried out for, a balanced approach is what i'd like to see with this some spending cuts but also revenue and doing some smart things. i think that's what we need to do as a country. i see this with a lot of women leading the way. positive. i think the fact that these guys are now negotiating is positive for the country. >> and, yet, we're now hearing that democrats want to break the force the budget cuts in the absence of any kind of budget deal. >> well, that's problematic.

what i think we could do and the reason that i've included a provision that requires a budget conference, a long overdue budget conference is there could be a substitution of some of the mandatory spending cuts such as the farm bill which would save $23 billion over ten years for some of the cuts in defense and biomedical research that are very troubling to me personally. >> have you spoken, either one of you spoken to senator reid since he rejected this compromise proposal? >> well, i have talked to a number of people in our leadership. i ti you'll see today as negotiations continue, elements of this proposal which i think is really important and i wanted to add what susan said here, when we have a situation when we have a farm bill that had strong bipartisan support in the senate that brings the debt down, we have a number of bills, immigration bills brings the debt down by $160 billion in ten

years, there are some important work that we need to do in the senate. we need to open up the government, make sure that we're paying our bills and then we can go on to do this work. >> one of the other things that really interested me when i listen to senator reid yesterday was his saying well i hope that america and around the globe people are reassured that i sat down with senator mcconnell, the republican leader, today. we haven't sat down on this before. we are 13 days into a government shutdown. we are four or five days away from busting through the debt ceiling. and the two main leaders in the united states senate have not sat down to discuss this yet. how can the american people see that as anything other than a huge failure in leadership? >> well, certainly they're talking now and they are the leaders and that is positive. but i think also that the president should have brought the leaders to the white house far earlier than he did.

and that's why many of us have tried to step into the breech and put together a plan and offer it to the leaders as a starting point. because real harm is being done. as this shutdown goes on, the consequences go far beyond the unfortunate furlough of thousands of federal workers. it affects the private sector. it affects our economy. it affects america's place in the world. >> and yet these are two grown men in senate. they don't need a senate to force them to meet. and i just think from the outside looking in people are going in the senate they haven't even talked about this. >> i think first of all, many people have been talking about this in the senate. and when you look at the history the senate the last few years despite their disagreements, the senate has been a place where we got things done. and i mentioned the farm bill and immigration bill. it was the senate that averted the fiscal cliff at the end of last year.

then it went to the house. it was a senate that passed a transportation bill that had so much support across this country. i actually think no matter when they met or when they're talking, the fact that it's in the senate right now where there is a group of bipartisan work that is going on, people have been work together for so long, i think that is a positive. i just like to echo what susan said here. we have situations now where plane manufacturer in duluth, minnesota, can't get the inventory out of the white house to be able to sell it overseas where there are exports all the time because the transportation department is shut down and they can't get approval. we have fishermen off alaska that will lose the market to russia. unbelievable thing. we have to get this government open again. >> and i want to ask you quickly about that. congressman mark sanford said -- wait a second, the house already passed a bill that will pay back pay to the furloughed workers. the president put out a press release and said he'd sign it. i can't imagine the democratic-controlled senate saying no to that.

and he decided to just bring back his furloughed workers saying they're getting paid. there is no sense them sitting at home, bring them back in. why not just do that? >> they should. that's what i did in my office after that bill passed the house. i had furloughed most of my staff. but if they're going to be paid, they should be be at work. >> transportation people should be at work. if they're going to get paid -- >> i think the constitutional interpretation of what it means when there is a shutdown and the point is that right now we have a shutdown going on. and we need to end it. we need to put people back to work and we need to also pay our bills. >> did you bring your staff back? >> i have about two-thirds of my staff that is out right now and shut down. i think they're going to be back. i think we're going to get this done. >> do you think that this is going to be resolved before we hit the magic date, apparently, of october 17th when we crash up against the debt ceiling? it is going to be done by then? >> i think it will be done.

i think it's going to be done in part because of the work that is being done. some people say we have to work for the people of america. we're not going to just play the games. we're not going to just speak in m metaphors. we're going to put a framework out and move forward. >> i agree. there is about our responsibility to govern. and it's taken far too long. we never should be in this situation. but i do believe we're going to see a resolution this week. >> you two may have single-handedly calmed the markets. we'll see when they open. >> i hope so. >> fingers crossed and all that. you're right, the people that are not going to get back pay are those workers that are affected by the shutdown. >> exactly. little stores that are right next to the parks. all of the people that are just trying to get by and make it in this country and we're not doing the jobs for them. that's why we have to get this done. >> and that's not right. >> so are there on going meetings about collins plus?

and how many people have you gathered in your office? >> well, we had 12 people meet yesterday. just last night i had two more democrats and a republican contact me to offer suggestions and say that they wanted to be part of our group. so i think that's very positive. we're going to keep working, offering our suggestions to the leadership on both sides of the aisle in an attempt to be constructive and bring this impasse to an end. surely we owe that to the american people. >> senators, thanks for joining us this morning. >> thank you, candy. >> thank you. >> next up, ted cruz makes a plea to conservative voters before a meeting with president obama. >> if i'm never seen again, please send a research and rescue team. >> and some republicans who would like to see the junior senator from texas disappear. our political panel on the republican brand next. i was made to work. make my mark with pride.

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take a look at the words people are using to describe the grand old party. surrender, damage. last days of the gop. joining me now former montana governor brian switzer, amanda dunn and newt gingrich who knows a thing or two about shutdowns. thank you all for joining me. so we are beginning to see these -- there's something fundamental going on in the electorate. this has brought the republican party down to its worse numbers in history in terms of approval and it's just the beginning of the end. >> this is childish. it's silly. you are about to have chris christie win an election in new

jersey by 20%. it is 390 days until the next election. and to suggest -- you go back and look at thacher in 1983, look at reagan in '82 and '83. this is in the middle of a bloody fight. this is a serious fight. nobody wants to grant the house republicans any dignity. the fact that they're fighting over very profound principles. and when it's over and when the dust settles, the kun stri going to assess. and then gar going to say that obama care is a disaster. >> in fact, anita, i think when we get into next year, here's where the balance of the election lies. you get a whole bunch of stories about how wonderfully the president's affordable care act is working, that this person now has health insurance for the first time. or even a whole bunch of people going i'm now paying six times more for my insurance than i ever did before and therein lies the election. this will be a distant memory by the time we roll around to september. >> candy, thank you for having me on this morning.

i fundamentally disagree with that. i think that the affordable care act obama care will be part of what people are looking at next year. but they're going to be looking at a broader issue which is the economy. are we growing jobs? and the leadership involved with what we need to do to move to the future. i think that the republicans right now are -- i agree with speaker gingrich, obviously. the party is not dead. but it is doing itself some extraordinary damage. in a year that started off for them and moving forward on immigration reform trying to broaden the tent. by the end of this year if they say what did we accomplish, they have some very negative attitudes. you have to believe there are people sitting around saying bring back mitt romney and the 47% take. that is better than what's going on now. and the reality is that they're hardening very negative impression that's exist. it's going to be hard to turn that around. >> you know, governor, i remember just coming out and covering you when you were governor. because you were a new kind of

democrat. you were a dlc democrat. and the dlc was a group of moderate democrats, clinton being the most successful one, who got together after the 60s when the democratic party was pulled many felt way to the left and could not win national elections. do you think that sort of -- should there be a formation of that sort of group? do you disagree that republicans are -- >> i think it's going to find the middle ground. you just had a couple people on that are looking for that middle ground. and they're found in the house. they're found in the senate. i think 20-some members of house who said we would vote for cr, a clean cr, no strings attached. not a single one of them was invited to go with boehner to the white house. this actually right now, this big fight everybody in america needs to understand this, this is a fight for who is going to be next speaker of the house. and we've got about a half or maybe more of the republicans in the house saying we don't want boehner anymore.

and so it's spilled over and now we have a government shutdown and we're still paying our employees. we are questioning whether we're going to pay our debts. this is a big mistake for the republican party. the democrats have made mistakes before. and if the republicans would have just sat back and said, see, we told you obama care wasn't going to work, they may have won this battle. >> newt, do you gr he thagree t speaker boehner took these things to the point that they are because he wanted to stay speaker? >> first of all, every speaker does what they have to do to be speaker. otherwise, they're not speakers. s is a silly formula. but notice what's going on. boehner goes down and says i'll give you six weeks of a clean debt ceiling. the president says, no. harry reid is now trying to redouble the bet and saying not only will i not accept it from debt ceiling, i want you to actually roll back the sequester. now at some point you have to understand this is a profound fight over the size of federal government, the size of the federal deficit and whether or

not washington is going to run the whole country competently as it has with the health.gov. in a country that has amazon and google, they can't figure out how to put up a site can you go to? this is a sign of how fundamentally incompetent the bureaucracy is. >> some states have done better than the federal website has done. want to play you quickly in reference to the gop brand which we do know in polls has taken a current hit and something i asked senator ted cruz last week. >> do you think you hurt the republican party brand? >> not remotely. >> is this man being unfairly targeted by colleagues, as you know, as well as by democrats? and do you think the tea party or those who ascribe to the tea party values has an out sized influence right now in the republican party?

>> ted cruz is antarctic lator of the hard line. he's much like bora of idaho was. he is a dramatic dissenter from the washington establishment. that also means, by the way, because of his personality he's really infuriating defenders of the washington establishment. i don't think ted minds that a bit. >> is that such a bad thing? >> i'll let you two answer that question in a minute. stand by. >> promise us. >> i do promise you. but i also want to talk about president obama who this week in a saturday radio address may have captured a little bit about how everyone feels just now. >> i know you're frustrated by what you see in your nation's capital right now. because it's easy to get lost in or give up on the political back and forth, remember this is not normal. >> you'd be surprised what passes for normal these days. we'll be back in a minute. ido more with less with buless energy. hp is helping ups do just that. soon, the world's most intelligent servers,

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hit be it temporary or longer. nobody is scot-free here. my question to you about the president whose popularity has also dropped is do you think that as part of his legacy, he wants to be the first president to preside over a default? is that enough to bring him to a table? >> it's not. i don't think he's going to come to the table. we've asked about ted cruz and where he's taking the party. if you throw a skunk in the chicken coop, you have to get the skunk out before he eats chickens and kills the eggs but everyone has smell on them. some people have to rise above. people in the middle on the democratic side and republican side that breaks this loose and brokers it. we have got to have a speaker of the house speak to the majority of the senate. this is the legislative body. they ought to work this thing out and not rushing to the

president saying solve our problem. he's there with the pen at the end. the legislative branch has to solve this. >> really? you don't think that that is something the president would like to avoid? the president isn't in fact in charge. >> he's in charge of the executive branch of the government. the constitution is clear who has spending power here. let me just say -- you promised me a chance to say something about ted cruz so i want to say that. he's an extraordinarily smart person who should not be underestimated. and to the extent he is the face of the republican party going into 2014, he'll excite an important part of their base and he will incite an important part of the democratic base. an important figure moving forward. don't underestimate him. let me mention something about the president. his basic position is he is happy to talk and he is talking

and talking and talking but he won't negotiate in order to get congress to do its job, which is to behave as responsible legislators. >> there have been negotiations before about these same issues. >> i would say that i don't think anybody before was really willing to put this country into default. in at absence of leadership, it's the danger here not on part of the white house but on the part of congress. >> you just heard the party line eloquently. i think this president has engaged in another audacious strategy just as running for president was audacious and wait they did stimulus was audacious. it's a deliberate strategy. he's executing it very willfully. i think he has in harry reid someone is more aggressive than he is and test of the next week

is simple. do the house republicans stand firm and say you have to negotiate on the debt ceiling we have for 60 years since eisenhower and 18 shutdowns since 1976. none of this is new. this president decided he wants to be legislator in chief and not just commander in chief. >> i want to put a quick poll up there. wrong direction, right direction poll that politicians look at going into an election and ask whether the country is going in the right direction. 14% of americans said it's going in the right direction. 78% said it's on the wrong track. >> you want to be the 14%. >> you do. i think this speaks to a mistrust of the federal government. and while i understand that republicans think that's healthy, you have to somehow believe in your government. isn't that also one of the byproducts of this mess?

>> we distrust the federal government and we ought to. we now have a government shutdown but we're still paying the people. that's the cost of running government. secondly, if you really want to cut the cost of government, there are four places you get it. social security, health care, medicare, medicaid and you have to get it from defense. when people talk about i'm going to shut this down or close this down, those are rounding errors. if you want to talk about cost of running government, talk about the real things. >> i got to leave it there. i'm sorry. write me your responses here. thank you. what does the political standoff mean for corporate america? goldman sachs ceo lloyd blankfein on the economy and globalization next. build character through quality. and earn the right to be called a classic. the lands' end no iron dress shirt. starting at 49 dollars.

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