good evening. welcome to "ac 360 later." live tonight from washington, d.c. where the people who work in the building behind me are simply running out of time. if you're keeping score at home, lawmakers now have about 26 hours until the debt ceiling deadline. it is a race against the clock in a route that has been littered with canceled votes and a whole lot of hot air. there are serious consequences to not making a deal, a warning from the fitch rating agency putting the united states on note its credit rating is on danger of being downgraded because of all the brinkmanship that has the u.s. government teetering on a default. tonight a house plan was canceled, a senate vote could be close. dana bash and christine romans

with what happens if the deal investigates. dana? >> reporter: the session is still in session at this hour. it is possible for the senate majority leader harry reid to come to the floor before they close out for the evening and say at least there's a framework of a deal on principle. there are lots of reasons why they want to do that. first and foremost because of the markets tomorrow morning. in fact at senator chuck schumer still here working, senator from new york, made sure to tell reporters as he was walking into one of the offices a few moments ago, explicitly said the markets need to know we are very close. democrats are going to give on what republicans have hated, holding up the finalization of a deal in the senate, to give something to the unions, their

prime constituency. the unions didn't like an employee fee as part of obama care. they were going to try to take it out. they gave in. said we're not going to do that. >> assume allege framework of deal gets done tonight, what happens tomorrow? how does this play out? >> there's so many different scenarios. not so much, probably two or three different scenarios. a lot of it is dependent on how willing to play ball some of the senators who have not been willing to play ball are, namely ted cruz. >> right. >> so assuming they do it formally announce the deal tomorrow morning, they file it, if the house sends them an expedited bill it's a procedural way they can move faster, if ted cruz wants to slow the trains as much as he can, the final vote probably won't happen in the senate until saturday. that would blow through the thursday deadline, which is why you're hearing from lawmakers, don't worry. we have a deal.

trying to calm everybody. if ted cruz and other senators all 100 senators say never mind, we know this is going to happen let's just give in, it could happen as soon as tomorrow. then of course the question is going to be at the end of the day, what we've seen for the past 2 1/2 weeks, what happens in the house. and our understanding is that finally john boehner understands the clock is out. it's time. are going to pass whatever comes to the senate. and it will likely have to do -- he'll have to do it the way he hasn't wanted to do it so far, which is with bipartisan votes. >> which is something as you said he'd not been willing to do. so is it possible they could still meet the deadline of midnight tomorrow? >> it is possible. it is very, very difficult. it's going to be very hard for them to do that. anything is possible. look, when there's a will, and everybody wants to get something done, they can do it. >> is it guaranteed, though, or there is no guarantee that house speaker boehner would bring it up for a vote. >> there's no guarantee. but everybody who is close to

him who i've talked to said it would be impossible to see him not doing that. even today as things were moving very fast, he said once again very clearly, he has no interest in this country defaulting. he understands even if there are people in his caucus who don't really think this data is real, that republican leadership understands that with the economy, particularly the global economy, perception is reality and the perception is that this data is real and they know that. >> dana, appreciate the update. a lot to watch in the hours really even after this program goes off. dana is going to be out with us throughout the hour if events warrant it. let's bring in chief business correspondent christine romans with more on what that possible downgrade from the fitch rating agency does mean. this could be bad news for the u.s. economy. >> what it really means fitch is saying the united states congress doesn't know how to run a business. we already knew that, right? this isn't a downgrade, it's a warning of a downgrade. and also within that downgrade, that warning rather it says it

thinks a deal is going to get done. i'm watching the markets overseas and futures markets right now. they're also having a pretty benign reaction overall tonight to the fact that it was a day that was wasted in washington. i think what the markets are telling you they think a deal just has to get done in terms of that october 17th date, if they don't raise the debt ceiling does something happen immediately? maybe not. could there be a big stock market selloff? probably. then after that you start to see the cascading effects in the economy as the reality sinks in that america for the first time in history is going to have to pick and choose which bills to pay. and that could have a real dangerous dangerous effect on psychology around the world. >> and i understand the fight over the debt ceiling, the shutdown, it is already hurt the economy. it's already hurt the economy >> it really has. you have people who aren't getting paychecks. hundreds of thousands of people who aren't getting paychecks. when people talk about what could happen or what couldn't happen and doom and gloom and the chicken little scenarios an all this blaming about what a

debt ceiling fight or debt default would look like, it's already here. the shutdown has already cost tens of billions, maybe $20 billion in damage to the overall economy right now. when you go back to the beginning of the budget battles you've got jobs that have been lost by some accounts 800 to 1 million -- 800,000 to 1 million jobs have been lost simply because the budget fighting and jess ter and first debt ceiling fight and all that nonsense. this is already hurting. main street is already feeling this. and washington just doesn't seem to get the message, this is hurting all kinds of corners of the economy, not necessarily the markets yet but it has already been hurting real people. and still that hasn't compelled a deal. it's concerning. >> interesting. christine romans, appreciate the update. joining me now is republican congressman james langeford. congressman good to have you here. what happened in the house today when the vote separated? -- evaporated. >> we said what could we send over to the senate first. go from there.

we were not able to pull that agreement together. obviously there are various folks. a lot of folks still very frustrated with the affordable care act and what progress can be made. the president's made several comments we know not everything's perfect but we'll just deal with it another time. our concern is it won't be dealt with another time. we're trying to find what progress can be made. >> you don't believe that if the debt ceiling is extended, if the shutdown ends, do you believe that the democrats would negotiate in good faith? >> we don't know at this point. we sent over 40 different bills over the past three years dealing with the affordable care act in some way. some total defund where folks come back and say it's not realistic. others deal with specific parts. none of those have been taken up by the senate. >> does there have to be a piece in the affordable care act in any kind of deal? >> we're trying to rebuild trust with the president. this has not gone great in a lot of our negotiations. we want to be able to start building some progress and say how do we fix this, start moving forward. some of our negotiations have

obviously been very heated. we want to sit down at the table and work this out. one of the ways, let's take a little piece. something the president and we can also agree has to be changed from the affordable care act. he keeps saying over and over again it's not perfect. >> for what you you're what is a little piece? >> several pieces. one piece was the penalty. to say to people the first year just like the president agreed with businesses and said for those businesses if you make a mistake or can't get all the paperwork done you won't have a penalty. we want the same thing for individuals as well. >> for democrats that's a big piece. >> it's huge for them. and we wanted members in the house engaged in the affordable care act. we threw that out today. the president immediately threatened a veto of that. >> what do you have to hear from the senate bill in order to get your vote? does it have to have something about obama care in it? >> it needs to be able to move us forward on that. the issue us are large. not trying to be unreasonable. we understand the issues happening in the economy very

well. but i get letters from individuals who say their insurance last year was $200, this year it's over $800. this is not a hypothetical thing, this is real for them. a small business that has 17 people been in a group just got a letter this week saying those groups are outlawed with the affordable care act. all those employees will have to go in the exchanges. they typically have provided all their employees this coverage. now that coverage is now illegal for them. so there are real issues out there on the affordable care act as well. >> the issue that the unions wanted and some democrats wanted now seems to be out of the senate bill. is that enough for you? >> that's one of the things. not only unions but a lot of large businesses. the concern for that when it came up originally was, the president's done a lot to be able to waive a lot of things for large businesses. >> businesses over 50. >> correct. those businesses over 50 he's done a lot of things to waive the penalties of those the first year. >> that's only a tiny percentage of large businesses. >> this is called the belly button tax. to say if you work in this

office or union or large company you would then be exempt from the $63 per person fee. a lot of people don't no, even company that is provide insurance will have to pay an additional $63 into the government as a tax to help offset others that don't. even outside their company. >> how hard is it going to be for you, for other house republicans, to go back to their constituents and say, look, we can't defund obama care? we cannot delay obama care? >> i don't think i'll have to tell them that. i think they've already figured that out. watching this over the last four weeks as we've come up again and again to try to find any way to help defend some of the folks. again this goes back to the basic premise that we have. there are a lot of folks that say this will provide this great new thing that people haven't had and coverage and you can't lose your coverage and all those things. that's fine to say. but there are also individuals that are being hurt by this. we're trying to raise the red flag to say we can't just say this is all roses when there are real problems as well. >> so what happens tomorrow if the senate does have this bill, would you vote for it as you understand it exists now? >> i have to take a look at it

when it comes out from the senate. they're negotiating still. we don't know what that looks like at this point. we'll send it to the house, assume some expedited procedures in the house and senate. we'll have to wait and see. >> how concerned are you about what fitch put out today about the credit rating, about the possibilities of defaulting? are you one of the people who says it's not as bad as it's being made out to be? >> two sides of that. one is default is serious. but i don't believe it's the 17th. the treasury has been specific to say 17th we're down to 30 million. that may mean we have four or five days left. obviously we're close. you're tipping the 18th. treasury has been good about not trying to panic everyone. saying 17th at midnight not everyone falls apart. fitch did not downgrade us two years ago because of the agreement we made around the debt ceiling. there was all the threats about the debt ceiling when we did the budget control act that started bringing spending down. people forget we've gone from $1.4 trillion in overspending three years ago to $700 billion in overspending now. the president likes to talk about he's cut the deficit in

half in his presidency. what he doesn't talk about is, that was around an agreement on a debt ceiling last time. >> are you saying they won't downgrade us? >> no. i'm saying fitch last time kept our aaa rating because of the negotiation, around the debt ceiling last time. i think they take it seriously but they're not saying you're intransigent because of all the political dynamics but the fact we have $17 trillion in debt. whatever agreement we come to has to start working on that. >> congressman, appreciate your time, thanks for being with us. >> sure. >> good luck tomorrow. let us know what you think. follow me on twitter #ac360. in a certain building about half a mile from here, reaction from the white house when we come back. people don't have to think about where their electricity comes from. they flip the switch-- and the light comes on. it's our job to make sure that it does. using natural gas this power plant can produce enough energy for about 600,000 homes.

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the struggle in the deal in congress, right up until tonight every time a politician says they're close to a deal, still another politician saying they're still a long way to go. >> i think we'll get an agreement today. >> we're not there yet. >> i think it's going pretty well. the adults have taken over. >> there have been no decisions about what we will do. >> a tentative agreement has been reached. >> this is not a compromise. it's a hostage taking. >> why are they doing this to the american people? >> there will be a deal in my opinion. >> there will not be a vote. >> we're agreeing. >> this bill they're saying over here is doomed to failure. >> joining me now live cnn political commentators both sides of the aisle, republican consultant and democratic strategist. also with me the vice president of public policy for freedom works. dean appreciate your being with us. your group has put out an appeal to your supporters to contact their congressmen saying they

should reject the bill the house was working on. what would you -- what is acceptable to you short of a complete defunding of obama care or delay of obama care? >> the tea party grassroots has basically heard the message from washington. we've given up on a total defund. we note president and the democrats won't agree to that. we've even given up on a complete delay of the law. at this point, conservative republicans and grassroots conservatives are saying let's fix obama care by eliminating its worst parts. the worst part of all is the unpopular mandate, that penalty on people to buy health insurance. our feeling is if the president's health care law is so great why is it mandatory? why not let people choose? >> for you any kind of negotiation has to occur before a shutdown is ended? it can't occur afterward? can't occur after the ceiling is lifted? >> no. i think the president could end this whole crisis tonight by simply accepting what the republicans have said, which is

we will talk about higher spending levels that democrats really want, but the president needs to significant that that he'd be willing to talk about postponing that penalty on individuals in the health care law. i actually think you would get a bipartisan compromise like that. >> paul what about that? seem reasonable to you? >> no, not in this context. not with a gun to your head. we've had debate about obama care, been debating it for years. it's the law of the land. republicans want to end it or change it. democrat want to improve it or change it in some ways. there's a regular order to do that. the country is furious we are holding veterans benefits hostage and very soon social security checks won't be able to go out. kids are getting kicked out of head start. scientific research is being stopped. all because the republicans are throwing a hissy fit about a law that passed three years ago. doesn't make any sense. >> alex? >> well, i hate to disagree with a fellow republican or conservative. but when a warning, when your

country is put on a warning list for its credit rating it gets your attention. i think it's gotten the attention of a lot of republican congressmen tonight and democrats as well. i take exception with paul that this is only a republican problem. when democrats negotiate it's called negotiations. when republicans negotiate it's called blackmail. but we're at a point now where i think you're going to see republicans open up the vote on the house floor soon this, week. >> do you think it was a mistake to tie all this to obama care before? >> i wouldn't have done that. we just don't -- the math doesn't work. we don't have enough votes to do that. as a matter of fact, i think it's pretty clear now that if we had stepped back and let obama care's miraculous rollout, that fantastic well-choreographed rollout just to get out there on its own, that would have done more damage and aided the cause of changing obama care or getting rid of it than anything we've done in the past few weeks. right now do i think we have a solution, though, and it's

border security. we put up a fence around the mexican restaurant where ted cruz meets. and we keep him away from the senate for a few days. >> dean, what about that? what if you had just let this rollout -- you believed it's going to be a complete disaster. you would argue it's probably already been a disaster in the way it's been rolled out. so why not just let it roll out? and if you're correct, everybody will turn against it. >> well, because it's been a plied very unfairly. basically all these corporate interests and now labor unions have gotten exemptions. the american people are the only group that haven't gotten an exemption. they ought to be free not to do this. but the fact is, in 2014 i think obama care could be a political albatross around the democrats' next necks. they would be smart right now to share some of that blame with the republicans. >> you say people are free not to get health insurance or should be free not to get health insurance. don't we all end up paying for those people anyway? >> right now taxpayers do pay for that and everyone gets health care one way or another. obama care tries to change the

way everybody gets health care. but it does it in a way that disrupts the whole system, drives up costs. and as you've seen when the government tries to build a marketplace, it's a complete disaster. >> by the way, the obama care web site was supposed to cost $90 million? it's cost $630 million. >> it should be 6 billion in your next press release. that's not the problem. the problem is we are risking the entire global economy because you guys don't like a health care bill that's already passed. that's crazy. we can debate this. you guys may have some good points about obama care, i probably have good points about gun control. >> you should have raised that millions of dollars ago. [ overlapping speakers ] >> you actually agreed with paul this is not the way to go about it, to risk the full faith and credit of the u.s. government. >> i think it's a terrible idea. i think republicans are going to pay a big price in the short term. a friend explained to me today

finally what ted cruz is doing. i finally understand. he's having bunny sex. >> wow. the late night edition of 360. >> in nature they're boom and bust cycles. the snow shoe hare every ten years multiplies six fold. >> are you high? what are you talking about? >> totally high. i wish i was. the snow shoe hare -- i thought it's a marvelous explanation. every ten years multiplies six fold. bunnies like sex apparently. but the boom produces a bust. they press their food supply. they invite predators. right now ted cruz what he's doing feels good. he's gathering his supporters. leading the republican party into a bust. >> you're digging ditches, alex. >> i love to dig ditches. >> we catholics believe sexist a vile disgusting act. and we never talk about anytime

public. i have no idea how to deal with the bunny analogy. >> i don't know where to go. boom and bust. don't you agree? >> no. that's the beltway perspective, which is some guy comes in from the prairie and says, you know what, this place is messed up. let's do things different. and people react against that. i think ted cruz is a populist hero at the moment. he stood up and said basically the emperor has no clothes. >> there's a difference between doing things, advocating for change in washington and doing it the wrong way. ted cruz just drove the entire republican party through a car wash in a convertible. and everybody got wet but him. what he's done to the republican party is cemented us as the party of no, the party of no new ideas. where's the change? where's the optimism? right now we don't need a jessie helms we need a ronald reagan. we have to see if ted cruz can step up and be that guy. where's the positive alternative that's going to lead the country forward? grow the economy? we have a better story to tell

than ted cruz is telling. >> that's what people said about ronald reagan in the 70s when the country was going to hell. >> ronald reagan was an optimist. he said there's a better way to go. >> ted cruz has been promising on something he could not deliver and knew he could not deliver. he knew he wasn't going to defund or delay obama care, correct? >> when you go into a negotiation you always start with your big ask and understand the other side might respond. >> the people who supported ted cruz and gave money, do you think they all knew this was a hypothetical ask? >> no. but the tea party grassroots is sophisticated enough to know you don't get your way in washington without moderation, compromise and negotiation. and that's what should happen now. >> here's what's missing. there's real people hurting. small businesses that can't get loans, farmers who can't get loans, veterans hurting. real suffering because of a political stance and that's wrong. >> the president wants more of the same. >> we've got to take a break.

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president obama today again called on republicans to quote do what's right, stop posturing, open the government and make sure the united states can pay its bills. in an interview the president offered this reason for what's making negotiating such a struggle. >> the problem that we've got is that for speaker boehner, for example, him negotiating with me

isn't necessarily good for the extreme faction in his caucus. it weakens him. so there have been repeated situations where we have agreements, then he goes back and it turns out that he can't control his caucus. >> cnn senior white house correspondent brianna keilar joins me now. i know we don't expect to hear publicly from the president certainly fortnight. how is the white house reacting to the republicans kicking this back to the senate? >> actually, they look at the senate where a place the compromise can be built. the white house is very much in touch with senate majority leader harry reid's camp. so i think they feel like they sort of have a hand in this, albeit sort of behind the scenes, and they have sort of more confidence i think in the situation in the senate. there is still, i'll tell you, a sense here at the white house that a resolution can be found. the expectation ultimately, white house officials will tell you over and over again is that they think house speaker john boehner will have no choice but to swallow the bitter pill he's been avoiding, which is a

measure that includes democratic support, something that became pretty inevitable when his bill where he was speaking just republican support he failed to find the votes for. >> how concerned is the white house about the psychological reaction the debt ceiling would be. >> there is a psychological impact. i'm hearing from key white house officials that when we come close to that deadline, if things look good, even though you're heard dana bash talking about we may not see a vote until saturday, if things look good, there is a sense that the markets may not be as rankled as they could be. i'm told the real problem if we start to get into next week and there seems to not be a solution in sight that's when the wheels start to come off. >> brianna, thanks. let's check in with our chief congressional correspondent dana bash. >> reporter: we talked earlier about the fact that senate majority leader harry reid might

come to the senate floor. he did not do that. he left and our eagle-eyed cameraman saw him leaving. i got him as he was getting into his car asking if they have an actual deal. and he answered, i think things are going to be good. then i asked if he is getting ready to have an actual announcement with the republican leader mitch mcconnell tomorrow morning before the markets open as brianna was talking about to make sure they're not rattled, so they know there is optimism. he said again we're in good shape. so there you have it from the senate majority leader. again earlier, anderson, you and i talked about the fact we note outlines of this deal already that democrats are going to give in on a union provision that they were trying to get dealing with obama care. they said they're giving up on that in order to get outlines of what they had agreed on yesterday. >> dana, appreciate the update. democratic senator heidi hitecamp joins me. what do you make of what you saw today? >> on monday we were all

optimistic. and i thought are we really going to do this in some kind of timely fashion to get it done before thursday? which i think was possible on monday. then we see this interjection of no no no let us do it. we're now a day late and a dollar short because this is costing the american public money every time we have these little hiccups in our process. we know there are already discounting our debt, selling it off. afraid they might not get their total cash. we already are seeing consequences in the market. and i think that this is now back on track. but unfortunately we lost a day because of this. >> what will happen tomorrow? assuming that a deal is basically kind of hammered out tonight, filed tomorrow, do you see this actually what going to the weekend? >> you know, i think it's hard to know. i think some of this depends on whether the house and senate can play well together.

and whether we can get kind of a little shortcut by having the house send a message over so that we can avoid some of the procedural problems. i think the wild card at this point is whether those folks who started this in the united states senate are going to be willing to let this process be expedited and move forward as quickly as possible. >> there's a lot of republicans who simply do not believe democrats when they say look, let's just get the government working again, let's get past this raising the debt ceiling and then we can talk about things, we can have a conversation without guns pointed at people's heads. >> we're going to have to do that, anderson. because the c.r. is only going to take us through the end or the middle of january. we know that we're setting a deadline for when the budget needs to be established, which is in the middle of december. and so those two processes getting back to regular order. one of the things that i've been most adamant about because i watch as joe citizen as we saw one super committee or boles simpson all these extra groups trying to come up with the deal. i'm saying why don't you do it the way you're supposed to in regular order with a budget,

with appropriators with people who know these budgets. i think that there is a growing number of people on our side of the aisle who understand that we have some systemic work to do. we cannot continue to run up our debt and deficit. just a 1% increase in our interest rate on the debt we have right now would be 110 billion a year, $1 trillion over ten years. you can't afford >> it a lot of republicans point to boles simpsons and say the president set up this commission, bipartisan commission and basically ignored the results of >> it who are those republicans? the same republicans who voted against it? you know, at some point we all share responsibility for doing this. and i think that from my conversations with a lot of people who are maybe on the more moderate specter, i came here to solve problems. and one of those problems is our debt and deficit moving forward we've got to get this done. okay. assuming the deadlines are met, the shutdown is over, is there something you would be willing

to have on the table from obama care? >> well, i've said all along a lot of the things that have been discussed very openly on the floor of the senate, things like health savings accounts, reconnecting the consumer to the cost of health care, doing things with flexible savings accounts that were modified in obama care. i think we haven't done enough cost containment of health care. the president has said over and over again, we don't have a debt and deficit problem, we have a health care problem. we pay too much. we think by the end of this decade it's going to be 20% of what we do in our economy. that's too much. it's twice as much as any other developed country. we can't afford it and we aren't going to be competitive if it keeps going this way. >> do you believe we don't have a debt and deficit problem? >> no. i think his point is when you look and see the big charts where the big red looming debt into the future, i always want to ask people, draw the line on what part of that is medicare. what part of that is health care costs. and we've seen that in terms of wage deflation when our wages

don't cover. that's because health care costs have gone up. and because housing costs have gone up. used to be a third of all of our costs we spent of our disposable income was spent on housing. now it's about half. so the middle class is getting crunched and we need to deal with these problems. >> senator, i appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you so much. great to meet you. >> hope you get some sleep. been a long day. we're going to continue bringing you developments from capitol hill. tonight we're following other news. police in florida arrest two girls in connection with a bullying case. the victim took her own life. i'll talk to the victim's mother. also missouri's lieutenant governor calling for a new review of evidence in the controversial case of sexual assault. two girls said they were attacked but charges were dropped against some of the boys. could that change? new development ahead. d"

crime and punishment now. a county sheriff in florida took the unusual step of arresting two girls, a 14-year-old and a 12-year-old in connection with a bullying case that resulted in another 12-year-old girl committing suicide. rebekah sedgwick killed herself last month after being repeatedly bull yesterday. the sheriff says what made him take action was an online message from the 14-year-old girl posted over the weekend a month after rebecca took her own life. it says "yes, i bull yesterday rebecca and she killed herself but i don't give a [ expletive ]" rebecca's mother had this reaction. >> it's bittersweet. there's mixed emotions all

around. i can't say that i want these girls to spend the rest of their lives in jail or spend any time in jail. but i do think they need serious rehabilitation. >> i spoke with tricia norman before today's development. >> i'm so sorry for your loss. did you know that becca was being bullied? did you know what she was facing? >> i knew she was being bullied while she was going to crystal lake middle, but after i started home schooling her, i know it continued online for a little bit. and we deactivated her facebook page. >> so you felt you were being proactive. you took her out of the school that she had been in. >> oh, yeah. >> why was she being bullied, do you know? >> it was over a boy that she was dating as only 11-year-olds can date. one of her friends were sending him inappropriate messages, and she told her that she didn't want to be friends with her anymore. and they started calling her a goody two shoes because she didn't agree with what was being

said. >> it wasn't just one child picking on her, it was as many as 15, i understand. >> it grew. it was almost 20. >> 20. and becca would tell you or at least early on she would tell you about what was going on >> yes. she stopped telling me about it in june. >> did you think that because she stopped talking about it everything had gotten better? >> yes. her attitude got better. she was getting back to her happy normal self. she was a little nervous going back to school even though it was a new one, which i can't blame her. what she went through the year before. >> so you took away the cell phone and you stopped deactivated the facebook page. but there are other sites that she was involved with that you didn't even realize >> yes. she had her cell phone but it didn't have cell phone service on it. the only thing she could do was use wi-fi. and she had a text free app. she eventually talked me into letting her have an instagram. i was like okay, well, they just post pictures on there. i'll just keep an eye on it.

i guess some of the kids that she started following had kick. so she got a kick. and then i guess somewhere along the lines it developed into that askfm which i had never even heard of. >> that's the thing. there are so many social media sites that parents just don't know about. we think facebook's the only one but there's all these other new ones constantly popping up. did the bullying continue after her death? >> yes. pages started popping up on facebook and instagram, as a matter of fact. saying that she deserved to die. they were glad she was dead. there was a girl from the old school, where she was getting bullied, that had posted on her facebook that she was glad that she was dead. another boy had stood up on a chair and acted like he was falling, oh, help me, i'm falling. i was like, i just -- i don't get it. >> what do you want people to know about becca? >> she was a great kid. sorry.

>> it's okay. she was beautiful. she was smart, funny. she was always being goofy. she was always singing, dancing. she was just a great kid. >> i told you i lost a brother to suicide, and it was 20 some years ago. still to a this day i sort of wonder exactly what was going through his mind. and sometimes i feel like you can never really understand. you can understand situational things, but in those final moments what really was happening. do you think about that still all the time? >> all the time. every night when i lay down i just why, becca, why? i don't understand. >> does it help to be out there, to be trying to get this message out? >> oh, yeah. that's the only thing keeping me going. she's left such a big hole in my

life that i'm filling it with her still. it's never going to be the same, but it's the best i can do. >> you hope this helps other people? >> oh, yeah. i would not want another child to suffer like becca was obviously suffering. and i would not want another parent to go through what i'm going through. it's too difficult. it's too hurtful. our life will never be the same again. >> thank you so much for talking. i appreciate it. >> no problem. >> trish norman. just ahead missouri's lieutenant governor calls for officials to reopen a controversial case of alleged rape. 17-year-old football star accused of raping a 14-year-old girl was not prosecuted and drove the girl's family to move away. americans take care of business. they always have. they always will. that's why you take charge of your future.

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said they'd been raped by two older boys, arrests were made within hours, charges were filed. just weeks later those charges were dropped. that's when the town turned on the girls and their families. gary tuchman reports. >> reporter: i sit down with a mother and daughter who lived through a nightmare. >> robin, when you found out what happened to your daughter, tell me what went through your mind. >> i was completely in shock and completely devastated. >> reporter: her daughter paige was a 13-year-old eighth grader when she said she was sexually assaulted by an older boy. she's now 15, has flashbacks, and hasn't gone back to school. >> i had started having a lot of night terrors, nightmares, flashbacks. >> reporter: another mother and daughter. >> i just started crying as soon as the doctor told us what had happened i just started to cry. >> reporter: bell linda coleman's daughter daisy was 14 and a freshman when she says she went out with her friend paige on the same night to the same house and that she too was

sexually assaulted, she says by a high school senior named matthew barnett, a star on the school football team. >> i began drinking a bottle they had given me. they tried to get me to drink out of this large cup, like a large shot glass. and i drank from it. and that's all i remember. >> reporter: sheriff's department records show that both boys acknowledge having sex with the girls, but claim it was consensual. authorities say a third boy took video of what happened. they believe it although the girls had some alcohol beforehand, the boys worked to get them more drunk. darren white is the sheriff of nottoway county missouri. >> you believe a sexual assault occurred? >> absolutely. >> reporter: the sheriff says all three boys confessed. >> which is why that we were within four hours of receiving the call able to have people in jail. >> reporter: the 15-year-old who was accused of sexual assaulting paige was dealt with by juvenile authorities. but 17-year-old barnett and the teen said to have taken the video saw their felony charges dropped. >> you ever told by the

prosecutor's office why he dropped the charges? >> no. >> not even today you don't note reason? >> no. >> reporter: then incredibly, people started ganging up on the girls. they found themselves shunned around town and at school. they were bullied in person and online. daisy's mother was fired from her job. it was all too much for daisy. >> ultimately, i tried committing suicide at numerous amounts of times. and i [ inaudible] >> i hope you're better now. are you? >> i am. >> reporter: these families and others in the community think the prosecutor was pressured into dropping the charges because of political and social connections the suspects have. we of course wanted to find out why the prosecutor made the decision he did, particularly with what the sheriff said. >> hi. i'm gary tuchman with cnn. we wanted to see if mr. walt is here. [ inaudible] >> he's not available. >> he's not available for

interviews? does that mean he doesn't want to talk or he's not here? what does that mean? >> he's not available for interviews. >> he's not available? how come? >> >> reporter: we still don't know if prosecuting attorney robert rice was there but he didn't come out in if he was. he released a statement "there was insufficient evidence to prove a criminal charge beyond reasonable doubt. the state's witnesses refused to cooperate, invoked their fifth amendment privilege to not testify." linda coleman says that is not true. >> he wanted us to plead the fifth and sign papers saying that we wanted to and he wanted us to leave town. >> so you're saying he wanted you to say you weren't going to cooperate? >> yes. >> so he wouldn't have to try the case? >> correct. >> reporter: belinda coleman said she never agreed to that. robert sun dell says "while his client admits the sexual encounter with daisy coleman the legal issue is whether a crime was committed. subsequent investigation and

interviews raised substantial doubt about the felony charge, specifically including whether the young lady was incapacitated during the encounter." daisy coleman and her family moved out of maryville after this all happened. they left so quickly they never even sold their house. now they never will. because this what is happened to it. fire burned it down. the fire department says it has not determined a cause. but the family was and is suspicious. for now, daisy is in a new school and doing much better, she says. her mother and paige's mother are still hoping that someday they see justice. >> she is my hero. >> how does it feel to hear your mom say something like that? >> feels really good. >> gary tuchman joins me now from maryville, missouri. gary, now the lieutenant governor asked for the case to be reopened. could that actually happen? >> reporter: it could happen,

anderson. it's a very unusual thing for a lieutenant governor of governor to get involved. lieutenant governor peter kinder can't do this by himself. but the fact that he's called for it is very symbolic. he's basically saying to the attorney general and to the prosecuting attorney here, it's a good idea. let's get it before a grand jury in this county. if they decide not to do it they would be basically saying lieutenant governor we don't want to do that. we don't care. so it's very possible that with the pressure from the state capitol here in jefferson city, missouri, that that could happen that this investigation could be reopened. anderson? >> gary tuchman, appreciate the reporting. thanks. just ahead, millions of veterans may soon be facing serious hardships if the shutdown continues. tonight an announcement about something could be coming their way a 360 exclusive next. american express credit card, every purchase earns you 2% cash back, which is deposited in your fidelity account. is that it? actually... there's no annual fee and no limits on rewards.

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