>> from comedy central's world news headquarters in new york, this is "the daily show" with trevor noah. ( cheers and applause ) ♪ >> trevor: welcome to "the daily show"! thank you so much for tuning in! i'm trevor noah. my guest tonight, author of the new "be fierce book, "be fiercen carlson will be joining us ( cheers and applause ) we are coming to you from new york city. it's a tough night that will get tougher for those of us who live

in the city and everyone. we'll pull together. but till we know more, let's get to the show. as we all know by now, yesterday, special counsel robert mueller finally dropped tracks from his highly ants mated new album kremlin-ade. ( laughter ) how do you respond? do you defend trump and risk integrity or the rule of law and risk angering donald trump? i think senator chuck grassley had the best answer which was to just get gone. >> anybody have any questions for senator grassley? >> i have a question about a different catholic named paul manafort. ( laughter ) >> that's why i said this time? >> was paul manafort indicted

today? >> that's not our job. that's not our wheelhouse -- ( everyone asking questions at the same time ) >> if you will -- if you -- ( applause ) >> trevor: oh, wow! he just disappears! pray to god you are in the room with grassley when there is a fire. because he will find the exit. he will find it. the only catch is you have to ask him about manafort. there is no escape. we're going to die. what happened with manafort? i found a trap door! ( laughter ) some people are, like, maybe the senator had a bathroom emergency, yeah, he bleep his pants. ( laughter ) not everyone could escape like sneaky chuck but they found different ways to deal with the mueller indictment. cory lieu wan dowski said it's the f.b.i.'s fault for letting them hire manafort. >> if it's true paul was under a f.i.s.a. warrant prior to coming

under the campaign i think the f.b.i. should have notified the campaign and said, look, you have a person here currently under surveillance, you're welcome to hire them but at least we'll make you aware of it. >> trevor: i think you're confusing the f.b.i. with h.r. ( laughter ) like, maybe i missed the movie where the f.b.i. busts in saying, freeze! don't hire that guy! he doesn't know excel! your printer is out of toner. f.b.i. at your service! ( laughter ) the f.b.i. was a novel part to take but sometimes the classics are the classics. last night, my friends, sean hannity held a master class on how to flip the script, aka what about -- >> what about investigating their roles in russia? hillary clinton's state department eric holder signed off on the deal. a year later bill clinton makes a fortune, doubles speaking fees, paid with a check from a bank that has a financial in uranium one. the fusion g.p.s., hillary d.c.

president obama funded dossier. >> trevor: look at you! wow! obama, clinton, one uranium -- i feel that's the closest sean hannity will ever come to a rap battle. give that man a hoodie and parking garage and he's going viral. >> this is beyond incest chouse. what about investigating their roles in russia? hillary's state eric holder signed off, a year particularity bill clinton doubles speaking fees paid with a check by a world bank with a fangs -- bang with financial interest in uranium 1. will we have equal justice under the law or will america just be a bana ma republic? ( cheers and applause ) >> trevor: sean shady! but let's move on. the white house isn't going to let this mueller problem stop them from creating new problems.

last night former marine general kelly gave an interview that shows us why h rarely gives interviews. on her brand-new show laura i la ingram asked kelly about taking down monuments. kelly didn't hold back. >> history is history. certain things in history were not good and others were very, very good. i think we make a mistake though as a society and certainly as individuals when we take what is today accepted as right and wrong and go back 100, 200, 300 years or more, it's inconceivable to me you would take what we think now and apply it back then. i think it's very, very dangerous. >> trevor: okay, you know what? john kelly is right. there were a lot of despicable things in history that were acceptable at that time that we don't think today. we can't change that. like crocks.

it happened. but, but, not all things in history are equally excusable. like slavery. because you realize even at the time half of america was against slavery. we know this because they fought a war. you know who else knew that slavery was wrong? all the slaves. yeah. nobody was out there picking cotton thinking, hey, man, i wonder if in 200 years we'll realize this is some (bleep) we actually hated. do you think that, man? nah, just me. in case you thought maybe kelly was misunderstood, you know, well, he went on to make the case that, in fact, when it came to the fight to end slavery, there were fine people on many sides. >> i will tell you that robert e. lee was an honorable man. he was a man that gave up his country to fight for his state which, in 150 years ago, was more important than country. the lack of an ability to

compromise led to the civil war, and men and women of good faith on both sides made their stand where their conscience had to make their stand. >> trevor: yes, robert e. lee was an honorable man. he fought to keep slaves, but he remembered all their names. shut up, toby! and by the way, this is not just some talking head from fox news. this is the man people hold up as the voice of reason in the trump white house. "as long as general kelly's there, we've got a chance!" we're starting to learn he is as trumpy as the rest of them. you just didn't know it because he doesn't tweet. and the lack of ability to compromise didn't lead to the civil war. slavery led to the civil war. there is a reason the movie isn't called 12 years a lack of compromise. he didn't want to be a slave. they were mike, nah-uh.

together they found love. we turn now to michael kosta, everybody! ( cheers and applause ) michael, you've got to help me understand, man. >> sure. >> trevor: john kelly's taken to the civil war. i don't get it. >> would be happy to help, trevor, but first i have to remind you it's dr. michael kosta. i have a ph.d. in history. >> trevor: we have been over this. you don't have a ph.d. >> well maybe not in your version of history. my degree is in revisionist history, and in our field the civil war was nothing but a failure to compromise. john kelly is 6,000% correct. >> trevor: why 6,000%? >> because that's as high as percentages go. i don't have all day to teach you things, trevor, okay? american history is full of equally valid sides failing to reach a compromise. it's the way our culture works. you don't understand that. you want to know why? because you're an outsider, trevor. take the civil war. one side wants slaves, the other side doesn't. both equally valid arguments and yet they couldn't find a

compromise. >> trevor: wait, wait, wait. how can you possibly find a compromise there? >> they could have tried. how about keep slavery but they get casual fridays or keep slavery but slaves get to work from home? they only come in to the office if they actually need to do stuff. those were some of the compromises they could have made. >> trevor: but michael, there were compromises before the civil war. for instance, some states were allowed to choose if they wanted slavery, every new free state had to be balanced with a slave state, there was the kansas-nebraska act, the missouri compromise. >> now you're just naming places. american conflicts always start because of failure to compromise. take native americans. europeans came here, wanted all the land. the native americans wanted to keep their land. here's what i would have tone, europeans stay in america but americans ged to be first in

space. one small step for everyone. >> trevor: dude, one side is sometimes clearly wrong. by your logic you would say kennedy getting assassinated was a failure to compromise. >> now you're getting it. j.f.k.'s brain and that bullet failed to compromise and who got to be inside his head? ( audience reacts ) >> woo, woo -- true! his brain refused to share that space. but what do i know? i'm just another doctor that couldn't save him. >> trevor: michael, this is the most ridiculous argument i've ever heard. >> i'm not surprised to hear you say that. it's hard for you to understand compromise because you're from south africa. you guys have never had to compromise. >> my entire country exists on a compromise. we ended apartheid peacefully. i was there when it happened. >> exactly, which is why you can't see clearly. you're too close to it. i see it because i am an outsider. and only an outsider can truly understand. >> you just said an outsider --

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>> trevor: welcome back to "the daily show." my guest tonight is a former fox news anchor and author of the "new york times" best-selling book, "be fierce: stop harassment and take your power back." please welcome gretchen carlson. ( cheers and applause ) ♪ >> trevor: welcome back to "the daily show." >> thank you so much for having me. >> trevor: this must be weird for you to be at "the daily show" and parting with fox news. it would be sort of like if i went to "the daily show" and went to hide out at bite bart a little -- breitbart a little bit, right? >> totally. i'm glad i could provide a lot of comic material to you over

the past few years. >> trevor: a lot of material. >> i know. >> trevor: a lot of material. ( laughter ) this is an interesting scenario. there are many things i could talk about with regard to your views, fox news, the ideas you spoke about on air, but, honestly, your book and the reason you're here and the reason i invited you to the show goes to something i believe shouldn't be partisan in any way. >> i agree. >> trevor: and that is the issue of sexual harassment. you wrote this book, you came out with a story. tell me about going public. i think people take for granted what goes into the experience of going public when you've experienced or been on the receiving end of sexual harassment. >> thank you so much for asking me that, trevor. it's an excruciating choice for any woman to come forward. when i dove off my cliff by myself of july 6, 2016, i had no idea if i had a safety net below. and the revelations we've seen over the last few weeks, as horrific as they have been, i am

just so proud of all these other women and men who have had the courage to come forward like i did because my favorite quote is one woman can make a difference but together we rock the world, and look at what's happening now. >> trevor: right. >> i didn't expect to be the face of this issue or have a dispute at work. you know what? when they decided my 25-year career that i worked so hard for, the american dream, when it was decided for me that that was going to end, i decided, if i don't speak up, who will? and i really did it for my chirp and for everyone else's children because none of us want this for the next generation. >> trevor: when you look at the culture of the environment you worked in, add fox news, over time, stories came out over and over again, you look at the culture contained in the building, we now know and have known for a while it wasn't specific to fox news but that is where you worked. what do you think contributed to

that culture and what do you think you could change if you could go back with power and change the entire place? >> oh, my gosh, that would be such a fabulous situation to be many. first and foremost, we need men, men like you who care about the issue. i write a whole chapter in "be fierce" about men who defend and reached out to me right away. we need to change them from enablers and bystanders to stand by women. that will be the cultural, the dynamic change within the workplace. >> trevor: right. >> also, please, please, let's talk about how we raise our kids. let's think really more about how we raise our sons to respect women in the home so that when they go into the workplace they respect their female colleagues as well. ( applause ) >> trevor: right. the biggest story that has broken recently that is directly linked to your world is that of bill o'reilly paying out $32 million personally which doesn't include what fox had to

pay out. you have been very vocal on twitter, you know, very presidential of you. ( laughter ) about what bill o'reilly has been saying. what's really interesting is one of his, i guess, rebuttals was, he said, look, here's a letter i have from gretchen carlson where she says, thank you, you're a friend and mentor, basically the idea that you guys were cool because you wrote him a thank you note. how is that a plan, how do you think people need to wrap their heads around when it comes to working with people who are part of the problem. >> first of all, who keeps thank you notes for nine or ten years? ( laughter ) ( applause ) second of all, hat tip to my parent who gave me midwestern sensibilities to always write a thank you note when you appear on a show with somebody. >> trevor: right. >> so here's what i tweeted out, so what? so what i wrote a thank you note. that has nothing to do with

sexual harassment in the workplace. >> trevor: right. >> and by the way, sexual harassment is apolitical. that's why i'm doing so much work on capitol hill now to try to change the laws to take the secrecy out of part of our employment contract that keeps this secret for women. when somebody decides to sexually harris you, they don't say to you first, are you republican or democrat? they just do it, and we've watched titans from both sides fall in the last four weeks, so it is a political -- apolitical and this is why everyone should be concerned about it as a societal issue, and i am just so optimistic that i'm going to get a bipartisan support for this bill. we're going to change the landscape. nothing gets done on capitol hill anyway. >> trevor: right. >> so wouldn't it be great if both sides would come together for this bill and do something for women? >> trevor: would be special if they could do something, yes, definitely. ( applause ) >> and where would that bill end up? it would end up in the lap of president trump. ( laughter ) >> trevor: i feel like you just took us on an emotional rollercoaster and we don't know

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tonight. make surei sure to tune in tomow night with my guest hillary clinton. "the opposition" is up next with jordan klepper. now here it is... your moment of zen. >> what did bill clinton, president obama and key members of the administration, what did they know about the uranium one >> jordan: open your eyes. something spooky is going on. three of our closest allies have all made eerily similar mistakes in the past three days. listen: >> what we should be focusing on are the continued lies of the clinton administration. >> he campaigned so close-- so much for president-- well, hillary clinton. >> what did president clinton -- or president clinton-- want o be? >> president clinton. >> president clinton. >> president clinton. >> jordan: did you catch it?