from comedy central's world news headquarters in new york, this is "the daily show" with trevor noah. (cheers and applause). >> trevor: oh wow. wow! welcome to the daily show, everybody. i'm trevor noah. thank you so much for tuning in. this is great. sit down! sit down, this is amazing. wow, you guys are fun. our guests tonight are eli saslow and derek black. they are here to scwus an amazing story of derek transformation as a former white nationalist who now fights for

racial equality. talk about a plot twist. but first let's catch up on today's headlines. bert & ernie, a beloved "sesame street" characters but the question on everyone's mind this week was if that segment was brought to you by the letters, l, g, b, t, q. >> we are back now with bert & ernie and the burning question this morning, are they best friends or something more. >> the questions with raised publicly by a recent sper view with former "sesame street" writer mark saltzman, were you thinking of them as a gay couple. saltzman who joined in '94 84y responded i always thelt that, when is with writing they were, it set it off on social med why and brought responses from sesame workshop declaring in part ta bert & ernie remain puppets and do not have a sexual orientation. >> trevor: wait, muppets don't have a sexual or wren taition? that is weird because i know for a fact that kermit and miss

piggy smash hard. that's what i-- i know, i know this. (applause). >> trevor: they even did an episode when the count counted all their sex positions. he was like one, reverse cow, two, sudanese jack hammer, ha ha ha ha. now i don't really know if bert & ernie are gay, because on the one hand two guys living tok for 40 years could mean they are gay but it could also mean they live in new york and apartments are expensive and also if they were gay, let's be honest, that eyebrow would have been addressed by now. with have been dealt with. (applause) but let's move on. let's move on. because a school superintendent in texas did something racist. >> a texas school superintendent's job may be on the line after he made a racist remark about houston textans quarterback deshawn watson. on a facebook post about the

textans onalaska superintendent wrote when you need precision decision meaking you can't count on a black quarterback. parns who kid as tend the school district were quit to come out against his comment. >> i think he needs to be checked out for this. that ed intos to be addressedment. >> think that comment is racist. >> it sure sounds like it to me. >> trevor: okay, i'm going to be honest. i didn't expect that accent to say something woke. i'm not going to lie. like, i watched that clip thinking i was going to see a story bay restist and it turns out i'm the racist. because that was great. he's right. like now i am imagining there is an entire crew of southern progressives running around like hey, boy, we don't take kinkedly to racist around here, this here's tolerance country, you heard? and by the way, congratulations to bert & ernie, live your truth, boy, yee what yeehaw.

amazing. oh, in other new, in other news, stormy daniels has a new book out. and the details are way too detailed. >> new, serpts from stormy daniels her book was just released and in it she describes her intimate encount we are president trump and we'll give you the daytime tv version. she says the president's you know what looks quote like the mushroom character in mario carth. and in case you are wondering, here is the character named toad. >> trevor: that's right n her new book stormy daniels say trump's penis looks like toad. and first of all, gross. second of all, gross. third, this shouldn't be on the real news. i mean we would cover t but people shouldn't be out for pulitzer for getting the trump toad dick scoop, i don't think that should be on the news. have i no many questions, does it include the shoes? like does trump's dick have tiny little shoes, a vest, does his

penis has a vest because now i'm picturing a penis wearing a vest, sometimes it gets chilly, you got to keep it warm. and also what i want to know is when did stormy daniels discovered his dick looked like toad, were they having sex and she was like oh damn, where is mario and luigi or years later when she was playing mario kart for the first time and she was driving and she was like ahhhing, there it isment either way i'm not going to lie, i hate the story because now it made me wonder if trump has other mario related thingsk i picture trump gesessing frisky like now i'm going to down on you. nah nah nah, nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah. all right. let's move on to our main story. brett kavanaugh. supreme court nominee and renowned dad jeans collector. his confirmation hearings were already controversial and contentious but this weekend they reached a whole new level. >> the supreme court nomination

of judge brett kavanaugh could be in jeopardy. >> a woman going public saying he sexually assaulted her when they were in high school, christine blasey ford a college professor in california tells "the washington post" kavanaugh and a friend were stumbling dprung at a party in the 1908s that allegedly forced her into a bedroomk pinned her to a bed and groped her. she says he was trying to attack me and remove my clothing. she told the post when she tried to scream he put his hand over her mouth. kavanaugh has cat gorically he can nied the accusation saying in a steament i did not do this back in high school or the any time. >> trevor: gd dasm just when you thought the supreme court hearing couldn't get any more dramatic, this drops. i mean two weeks ago it was protestors dressed like handmaid's tail and now dealing with allegations that brett kavnaugh sexually assaulted a girl when he was 17. what is also wild is about this is this the fifth 3r078 nent person donald trump has supported who has been accused of mistreating women, you know t is almost like he doesn't realize it but if he likes someone it is because they have

a shady history with wivment you know. leak shane recognize shame, so like if trump says there is something i like about this tbie, we should probably investigate them, that is what i am saying. and now like kavanaugh denies all of these allegations adamantly. he says he didn't sexually assault anyone, he says he doesn't remember that party. in fact, he says he was never even 17, he just went 15, 16, 18, just to be safe. just to be safe. (applause) and now look, now look, nobody at this point knows all the facts in the story. but because these allegations are so serious, senate republicans are sayingathey want to get to the bottom of this. as long as it doesn't take too long. >> christine blasey ford the woman accuse the supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh says the fbi should investigate her claims before she agrees to testify before the senate. republicans are pushing for a monday hearing. >> chairman grassley argued nothing the fbi or any other investigator does would have any

bearing on what dr. ford tells the committee. so there is no reason for any further delay. >> senate republicans have a message for dr. christine blasey ford. testify monday or they will move on with a vote. >> trevor: wow. so dr. ford wants the fbi to investigate this disibt before she testifies. and senate republicans are insisting on monday or nothing. like how tone deaf is it that in the case of a an alleged sexual assault the woman is saying i feel like you guys are moving too fast. and these dudes are like well, we're ready so we're doing this. and now to be honest i understand why senate republicans are in a rush. like they want to get the supreme court seat filled before the mid terms which they are afraid that they may lose, it is the same way i made sure to pose with every celebrity at the emmys before i lost to john oliver because i knew no one wants to pose with a loser but everyone likes you when you might win. i made sure. i made sure.

(applause) now what is interesting is some people aren't even waiting for the testimony though. they have already decided there is something fishy about this woman's story. >> this was an early 1980, you in is now 2018. she was 15 years old, she is now 51. there is ground for some suspicion there, he was appointed to a federal appeals court or federal court where was she then when he was appointed to that court. >> i don't. >> why now. >> i don't know the answer to that. >> she had repressed her memory supposedly to 2012 bah it was when he was up for the supreme court that suddenly the stakes got higher. >> yeah, that say good point. why are these allegations about his fitness for the supreme court only coming up now that he is going up for the supreme court? get the [bleep] out of here, man. like this is exactly the time you would expect this stuff to come up. (applause) that's the whole point of hearings. like it couldn't work any other way. like that would be the weirdest episode of law & order ever if the lawyer came out look your honor, why would the prosecution

submit the murder weapon as evidence now, during the trial? the timing seems suspicious to me. i rest my case. and now i will be hon es, i will be honest, i'm not shocked that people would question the motive of a woman who has come forward with these allegations trk is pretty much par for the course what is interesting though is that there are some people arguing that even if she is telling the truth, that shouldn't affect kavanaugh's supreme court appointment because boys will be boys. >> these are sensitive issues. but high school behavior, how much in society should any of us be held liable today when we lived a good life, an upstanding life by all accounts and then something that maybe is an arguably issue took place in high school. should that deny us chances later in life? even for a supreme court job? a presidency of the united states or you name it. >> okay, well, first of all, we know it doesn't exclude you from the presidency. i mean yeah, no, that pussy

grabbing ship has sailed but really, this is your argument? look look, we can all agree that drunk 17 year olds do a lot of crazy sh, t. they eat food off the floor. they pee on cars, hell some of them draw penis on their friend's faces. but, but let's not add attempted rape to the list of stuff drunk boys do. and i'm not saying like if you did something awful when were you 17 you should be excluded from society forever but i also don't think we should brush it aside because it happened when the dude was young, this is for the supreme court, not your local softball team. he would go on to be one of the ten most powerful people in the country. and yeah, i said ten because the nine people on the supreme court and beyonce. ten. (laughter) and look-- all i'm saying is this, all i'm saying is i think it's worth taking the time to try and find out the truth. because if it turns out that this allegation is true, would you want the guy making

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♪ here we are. welcome to a please teach me. please! oka-ay! magic comes from the inside. guys! i'm floating! that was just awful. the house with a clock in its walls. rated pg. >> trevor: so as i was saying to you earlier, one of the things with kavanaugh that has been really interesting is an argument that i have seen repeated for different people who have been accused of doing something, it's generally, you know, sexual assault or harassment. and it was a senator defending kavanaugh who i think articulated it best. i think we have the clip, i want you to watch this.

>> do you think that any of these claims are legitimate? >> no, i don't. i think that-- i think this woman, whoever she is, is mixed up. i know the judge very, very well. i know how honest he is. i know how straight forward he is. i know how he stands up for what he believes and what's right. and frankly, if you are going to believe anybody, would you believe him. >> trevor: now you see what i find interesting about that is i don't believe that that senator is wrong. all right, he goes i believe is he an upstanding man. i believe that, you know, he has lived an outstanding life as i have known him. now what i have come to realize is in society we are seeing it over and over again, whether it is bill cosby, les moonves, brett kavanaugh, whoever it is, and i'm not saying kavanaugh is guilty of anything. what i am saying is people strug toinld stand that two things can be contradict ore and true at the same time. you could know somebody as a great person and they could also be doing something that you don't know about that makes them someone that you wouldn't recognize. you get what i am saying?

like it is just one of those simple ideas. like bill cosby, people are like he is a famous comedian, he jels jello, we didn't know he was a part time rapist. do you get what i am saying. no one knew that. and then there were people that said but cosby thrarks is not the cosby i know, yeah it is not, unfortunately st thes canby somebody else knows, somebody's victim knows, different ideas, the things we learn about all the time. like your parents, in life you will learn things about your parents you never knew, could you have testified about things and you turn 30 and say i didn't know about this about pi parents or my dad. i turned 30 and i discovered that my parents were having sex. i mean that was wild, as a-- like it's just-- you know what i mean? like you can find out things that shock you. like south africa learned its lesson with oscar pistorius, we were genuinely shocked and people didn't know how to piece those images together. here is an inoperational man who didn't have legs who motivated a

nation who did so much for charity and worked with young kids and everyone. and now people are saying but he murdered his girlfriend. and people were like but that can't be true because he wasn't that. but there is a reason we call them skeletons in the closet, is because they are skeletons in a closet, not skeletons on the porch, this that is not what he which say. people don't understand it every sing will one of us has a side of us that nobody knows about. and it may be not be sexual assault for everyone, but it is something. people know you and then there is the you from your int mant search history, then thr is that you that is completely different. (applause) and a good example is, it was with brett kavanaugh specifically. the friend who was in the room or the friend who dr. ford said was in the room. he hasn't been called to testify which i find strange. and they said like oh, he says he doesn't remember all of this and kavanaugh is not that kind of tbie but here is an acting

fact. his friend wrote a book, awhile ago, about being a drunk in high school and just being like, and he writes about one of his best friends he said would party hard and throw up all the time and this character name's in the book is bart o kavanaugh, which is not-- i mean that is not a great pseudonym from brett to bart, like if somebody wrote a book about o.j. and said my fret, apple juice simpson, you would be like yeah, we still know who you are talking about. so all i'm saying is, this i'm saying just because you know somebody as beinged goo, they may have been good to you. it doesn't mean that they were never bad to somebody else. you know. it is always that age old story, you watch the new, somebody was caught busted being a murder and what do the neighbors always say, they say i can't believe it, he was so nice. he was so nice. every day we would meet when we be taking out the trash and he was so nice. and they go but ma'am, do you know what was in that trash? it was human body parts.

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>> welcome back to the daily show. my guest tonight, my guest tonights are here to discuss the if you book rising out of hatred, the awakening of a former white nationalist. please welcome the author pulitzer prize winning "washington post" reporter eli saslow and the subject of the book, derek black much welcome

to the show, i will vump straight into it because there is one of its most fascinating story i have come across. i remember an op ed you wrote about it but i will start with you, eli. how did you decide to write the story? how did you even believe the story and where do you start in saying here say former white nationalist. when did you start learning about derek. >> i was writing about dylanroof who dmitd the hate murder of nine people in a historically black church in carolina. he spent time on a site and tried to learn about and learn about this community, the largest hateside site in the world. there were threats on there saying upsetting thins about what dylan had done, celebrating him but the biggest thread was about derek black, the son of the founder of this board, david duke's god son, had been raised by this ideology and, disavoyed it and disappeared. i wanted to find him and i did. >> trevor: derek, you have a

really interesting store he. people will say nobody is born racist but i will feel like are you one the few people who is closest to this place because, no, because your mom was married to david duke. >> yes. >> trevor: you were born into a family of the ku klux klan. so from the very beginning you were taught to think a certain way. how do you even begin the journey of starting to think differently? >> i didn't until i was at college 6789 i spent all the younger years getting more, more involved and feeling i really needed to help push this, my parents were getting older. and it wasn't until this weird experience of being outside of that in this different environment and seeing people who were not supposed to fit into my in-brup but who i really liked and we were hanging out. and also a college community that really condemned everything i was saying. and i wanted to know, first thing i wanted to know is why do you condemn it so strongly. i think it's fine.

it's not attacking anyone. >> trevor: it is a powerful story. and honestly i was fascinated by it because you share your experiences in a really transparent way. are you not afraid that, like, you now know the no3truth. so what if like would you flip the other way? does that make sense. >> yeah, yeah, no, it's legitimate. st hard. i think for those years where i was living in the wilderness, right, met tor-- metaphorically, like what do i do. i spent a lot of people saying what are my assumptions about the world. what do i think about things. what do i think about peoplement an how much of that comes from something that i never even really challenged. the only thing that undermines a white nationalist is trying to ramp somebody up to a more extreme version of racism, is somebody in the room challenging those beliefs. the person who is going to ruin that for you is another white person who is saying stop that. because it is equal, like they have literal skin in the game. and what they say shuts any sort

of white nationalist, racist thing are you saying down. and it stops the room. and that's the thing that people can do that is the thing that people at college did. it is the thing that anyone, anywhere can do is speak up because being silent is a choice. >> trevor: wow. (applause) thanks so much for being on the show, thank you, eli. rising out of hatred is available now. it is a fascinating story. i really recommend it, eli saslow, derek black, everybody. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. (cheers and applause) hey, what do you guys want to listen to? ooh, hip-hop. reggaeton. edm. what about bubble trance? bubble what? bubble trance, it's a thing. my point is everyone's got different taste. that's why verizon lets you mix and match your family unlimited plan so everyone gets the plan they want, without paying for things they don't. and right now, the whole family can get six months of free apple music on verizon. oh. so let's play that reggaeton.

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