>> from comedy central's world news headquarters in new york, this is "the daily show" with trevor noah. ( cheers and applause ) ♪ >> trevor: yeah! ( cheers and applause ) welcome to "the daily show," everybody! thank you so much for tuning in! thank you for coming out! i'm trevor noah! our guest tonight -- our guest tonight is a writer and director with a new netflix limited series about the central park five. ava duvernay is joining us, everybody! ( cheers and applause )

but first, let's catch up on today's headlines. let's kick it off with the escalating trade war between the u.s. and china. all right? with no deal in sight, both countries are hitting each other with hundreds of billions of dollars in new tariffs, and now ordinary people in china are suffering some truly dire consequences. >> the "wall street journal" says millions of people in china could not watch the series finale of "game of thrones" because of the u.s.-china trade fight. chinese viewers expected to see the final episode, and instead saw a notice about transmission problems on ten-cent video. many fans fumed over social media. h.b.o. says china restricted "game of thrones" from airing due to the trade dispute. >> trevor: yeah, that's right -- american consumers may be paying higher prices, losing family farms and watching their

businesses go under, but china doesn't get to watch "game of thrones"! u.s.a.! u.s.a.! u.s.a.! that's what i'm talking about! but this is a true story, china can't watch the "game of thrones" finale and they are pissed! once they get to watch the finale, they will be double pissed! ( cheers and applause ) oh, man! i feel like this is how the u.s. could actually win the trade war, right? because you realize america's best export is pop culture, and if you can make sure china gets some but not the whole thing, it will drive them crazy. when the new "star wars" movie comes out, send china a version with a long school in the beginning, immediately followed by credits. people will be livid. you can do it with music, too. send china edm songs, but cut out the part where the beat develops. yeah, it will drive them insane. it will be 12 yours of diggity diggity diggity diggity diggity diggity diggity diggity diggity

diggity diggity diggity diggity diggity diggity diggity diggity diggity diggity diggity diggity! ( cheers and applause ) and you know what? i'm willing to help, too. i'll help win this fight. from now on when china watches "the daily show," they only get the setups to jokes, no punch lines. what do you call a chinese president who can't read? all right, let's move on! ( laughter ) let's move on from the trade war to america's culture war because alabama is at it again. a week after banning abortion, now they're doing this. >> alabama public television has chose not to air pbs's recent arthur episode featuring a same-sex marriage. according to the director of alabama public television, the wedding of arthur's third grade teacher to patrick a chocolate maker poses a target for a young audience who might watch the show without adult supervision. >> trevor: really, alabama?

this is so insane. for starters, you can't keep reality hidden from children forever. okay? eventually, children are going to learn aire aardvarks are gay. it's inevitable. and what are you afraid of? just because they see something in a cartoon doesn't mean they will copy t behavior. i watched sponge babe but i don't live in a pineapple. i live in a two bedroom apartment under the sea. ( laughter ) they want a kids show that reflects th their values better. bar bar shuts down his babortion clinic. ( audience reacts ) if you're not good at your job, there's someone worse at his. >> ben carson has been ac cued of not being qualified to lead the house of urban development. he confused a real estate term with a cocky.

>> if you can get back to me the disparity in reo rates. >> an or owe? >> not an oreo. an reo. >> real estate? >> what does the o stand for. >> e. organization. >> real estate owned, that's what property is called when it goes to foreclosure, we call it an reo. >> trevor: oreos? he's a legend. ( laughter ) what if he said oreo again. real estate oreo, it's a cookie you can live in. ( laughter ) i like how he was confident as well. he reminded us of all in school, and what is the o? ( mumbling ) answer ) ( laughter ) and i know a lot of people say this hearing proves ben carson doesn't know a lot about his job but at his defense, no creature is at its best after

hibernation. let's move on to the top story! ( cheers and applause ) fox news. it's the number one cable news network in america and probably the last thing your grandpa saw before he died. right now, fox news is at the center of a big debate among democrats who are running for president. >> elizabeth warren's refusal to hold a town hall on fox has sparked a debate among democrats in the 2020 field, to fox or not to fox. >> the democratic national committee say it's not something democrats should do because by going on fox democrats are just helping this network that vili fy's them every day non-stop. >> fox news is a hate for profit racket. i'll talk to fox news reporters, but what i are will not do is give them a full hour of my time to they can raise money and credibility off it. >> trevor: that's right, elizabeth warren, for one, is refusing to go on fox news,

which is a little ironic because her tribal name is woman who talks to fox. ( laughter ) but i do understand where warren is coming from. you see, fox news at this point often acts more like a propaganda outlet than a news outlet. why would you go give them legitimacy? you don't argue with the crazy person on the subway that says the earth is flat! we all know the earth is round with a handle on top so god can spin it. ( laughter ) yeah, do you think it just spins on its own? ( laughter ) since there's 200 democrats running for president, there's bound to be varying opinions on what to do about fox news. bernie sanders has gone for a different approach. he went on fox and held an hour-long town hall. >> millions of people every single year lose their health insurance. now, what we're talking about actually is stability, that when you have a medicare pool it is

there now and in the future. >> a show of hands of how many people get their insurance from how many get it from private insurance? of those, how many are willing to transition to what the senator says, a government-run system? ( cheering ) >> trevor: wow. that had to be a shocking thing for fox news viewers to watch. right? turning on their tvs and seeing a crowd cheering for a socialist plan for medicare for all? in fact, that's probably what killed your grandpa. that's what that was. like, do you realize that's the exact opposite of what fox viewers were expecting to see. it's like buying a ticket to see paddington, but then you walk into the wrong theater and all of a sudden it's fifty shades of grey. mommy, why is paddington being so mean to that lady? no, you're not supposed to be seeing this. are we leaving, mommy? no, not yet -- not yet --

( laughter ) what bernie sanders did today was interesting. he didn't pander to the fox audience, he stuck to his principles and by the end the audience was on his side which ends up being good for the democrats, because normally when fox viewers hear about medicare for all, it's stuff like the government will only pay for your pills if you go trance! and that's what elizabeth warren's point about legitimizing fox news. pete buttigieg said it's not necessarily the case. the mayor of south bend, indiana, he did a fox town hall on sunday and showed that visiting fox doesn't have to mean you endorse them. >> a lot of folks in my party were critical of me for even doing this with fox news. when you have tucker carlson saying immigrants make america dirty, laura i think graham comparing detention centers with children in cages to summer examples, there's a reason why

anybody has to swallow twice before participating in this ecosystem. but a lot of americans who i can't blame who are ignoring our message because they will never hear it if we don't go on and talk about it. i hope you will join me in making sure that next era is better than any we've had so far. ( cheers and applause ) >> thank you. wow, a standing ovation. >> trevor: wow! standing ovation. pete buttigieg went on fox news, trashed their most popular anchors and then got a standing ovation at the end? that is amazing! ( cheers and applause ) that was amazing! because if someone came to your house and told you how ugly your kids were, you would probably be like get the hell out of here! you wouldn't be like -- ( applause ) -- someone had to say it, you got a big-ass head, billy, you

got a big-ass head. someone had to say it! ( laughter ) and it wasn't just the audience. some reporters on fox news actually credited buttigieg for coming on to their network. but the kids with the big-ass his? they weren't as happy. >> mayor pete, who desperately needs a rebuttigieg. when he wasn't pushing for tax increases or lobbying lame cheap shots, he was trying to pass off political pab blum as some type of high-minded or tore. maybe we should call him pope pete because don't you love how, because he attends church, we're supposed to treat him as the be all and end all moral authority or the arbiter of who is and who is not operating in good faith. >> trevor: okay. ( laughter ) i get that laura i think graham is trying to dispete but i don't know if she achieved that by calling him "pope."

people like the pole. it's not a great diss. it's like, you know this guy steve is always walking around being a dick to everyone, let's call him big dick steve! that will show him! ( laughter ) then everyone will know what a big throbbing dick he has! i mean is! ( laughter ) so laura ingram, tucker carlson and bryan were pissed with buttigieg's turn on fox. but one fox viewer was downright heart broken. >> last night i watched alfred e. newman. what's going on with fox, by the way? what's going on there? putting more democrats on than you have republicans. something strange is going on at fox, folks. something very strange. did you see this guy last night? i did want to watch. you always have to watch the competition, if you call it that. and he was not knocking the hell out of fox, and somebody's going

to have to explain the whole fox deal to me. >> trevor: oh! poor trump! you realize what happened here. the news network he loves the most flirted with a younger, hotter candidate and he's clearly shook. ( applause ) he's clearly shook. you hear when his voice broke? what's going on with fox? you know who trump is? trump is basically a guy scrolling through his ex's instagram trying to act like he doesn't care. look at this new guy. this new guy fox is, with what a loser. his boobs are way smaller than mine. you know what would be funny is if i followed him totally as a prank. oh, no, i like one of his post-s -- unlike, unlike, unlike! ( laughter ) so should democrats go on fox news or stay away? look, i don't think there's one correct answer. all right, in many ways, you know, it's just like eating an oreo. you know?

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( cheers and applause ) >> trevor: welcome back to "the daily show." every once in a while citizens go above and beyond to change the world. michael kosta finds those citizens in his recurring segment, thank me later. >> hi, i'm michael kosta. all my life i've loved nunchucks. but up until this year, i could have been arrested for even carrying my chucks down the streets of new york city. i sat down with the hero who changed that law. and you? you can thank me later. ow! >> i'm jim maloney. i'm the lawyer who recently was able to get the nunchuck prohibition in new york overturned on constitutional grounds. >> you made nunchucks legal in new york? >> actually it's pronounced nunchucks. >> right nunchucks. why are you so obsessed with nunchucks? >> they were a big part of my life for many years so i'm passionate about my right to have them. >> how did this start? >> shortly after the martial arts series featuring bruce lee

became popular, a lot of the kids including myself started playing around with nunchucks and the legislation got fearful they would be used by gangs to terrorize people, you know, mugging them, so the legislature just decided to ban them completely. the law went into effect september 1, 1974. in the years since then, there have been sporadic prosecution against people who have them in their home. police searched my home and found nunchucks under any couch. >> nunchucks. i was charged with possession of chuck-a-sticks. >> as james droned on about his decades-long legal battle, i found a more exciting way to ♪ ♪ >> within less than a month, i brought this constitutional challenge.

♪ >> hey, is it a little weird i'm playing this guy? he's like super white. >> if a white guy does it, it's problematic. it's cultural appropriation. if you do it, it's fine. >> is it? >> honestly, i don't know. >> okay, whatever. let's fight. ( drum beats ) >> i have to serve him with a summons and complaint. in 2007, wasn't established as applying against the state. it was dismissed and i had to appeal to dismiss it. >> is t second amendment is about guns. >> the second amendment says. >> i'm an expert, to be honest. go ahead, tell us about the second amendment. >> a well regular laid militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. not firearms. >> trevor: numb-chucks falls

under that? >> it does. >> this became a second amendment issue. >> right i appealed to the second circuit court of appeals. i had three judges on the panel including judge sotomayor. >> supreme court justice today? >> that's correct. >> sotomayor mentioned jim in her confirmation hearing. >> sir, we were talking about numb-chuck sticks. >> told you it was numb-chucks. >> they did not give me the relief i asked for on the basis that the second amendment did not guarantee that right as against state laws. ( fighting sounds ) and said, if you want that, you have to go to the supreme court. and that is where i was feeling down and out. >> where are your numb-chucks in all this? >> i basically unstrung the nun chucks. i cut the word. >> you took your sacred numb-chucks and you cut them?

>> no big deal. you just put them back together when you're ready. what the supreme court did was toss out the decision that killed the case, and sent it back down. so then i was back down in the trenches again. >> you're alive, baby. right? >> anyway, sure. so i'm back down in the trenches and i get a new judge, and she wanted me to show expert testimony and statistics, and, so, i flew in a couple of people who were knowledgeable about nunchucks. >> you flew in numb-chuck experts, both white guys, i presume. >> they are. >> yep. >> it was kind of funny because i was wearing a lot of hats. i was the plaintiff, the lawyer and the first. i said, your honor, i'll now call my first witness which is myself. ( drum beats ) ( fighting sounds ) >> it was three days of trial,

and on december 14th, the judge struck down the entire statute. >> and did you feel like, oh, my god this is over, i get to just none chuck the shit out of everything now? ( laughter ) >> everybody in new york is none chucking, kids, pets, adults, grandparents, nannies because of you. did you receive an award from the numb-chuck association or chuckers all around the world? >> no. >> what did you get? >> the decision. >> i figured you would say something like that. i'm presenting you with a numb-chuck award. read it out loud. what does it say. >> to james maloney for striking down the band on numb-chucks from your chuck buddy michael kosta. >> i made this commemorative shirt. on the front it says i live for three things, suckin', (~bleep ) and chuckin'. ( cheers and applause ) >> trevor: michael kosta,

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filmmaker who directed and co-wrote the new limited series on netflix called "when they see us." >> okay, so -- so, uh, antwan held her down while kevin was raping her, right? >> what? >> pop, stop. >> your son was witness to a rape in central park. so anton was raping her, and what were your doing? >> nothing. >> come on, ray. no one will believe a kid like you will just stand there. you have to put yourself in there. >> what do you mean? put yourself in there. >> pop stop. >> you didn't hear what he just said? >> pop, stop. i made a deal. >> trevor: please welcome ava duvernay! ( cheers and applause ) ♪

>> trevor: welcome back to the show. >> thank you. always happy to be here. >> trevor: and congratulations on another hit. this time in a different space, telling a different story. it's a story that many americans are familiar with, but i don't think told like this. the central park five is what they were called by the media, the press at the time. and you've changed just the title of the film alone about these five boys who were accused of raping a jogger in central park. you changed the title. everyone assumed it would be called the central park five, but you changed the title "when they see us." why? >> you know, the central park five, i felt, was a political moniker, dehumanized them, made you actually not hear and understand and know who they are. they were five boys, yusef, antoine, raymond, kevin and corey, who were just boys in harlem on a spring day in 1989, and they were kind of ripped out of their youth. i mean, it was the last day,

april 19, 1989, was the last day they were ever boys again. so around this whole thing of boys will be boys, the kavanaugh stuff, it was happening while we were shooting this and i couldn't help but wonder why are some boys allowed to, you know, rough house and act stupid, and other boys are instantly criminalized. so that's a bit of what we examenned. that's larger than the case central park five. so i ask the question what do you see when you see us. >> trevor: when you're filming the series. it's released around the 30-year anniversary of when donald trump as a private citizen ran an advertisement calling for the executions of these five young men. do you think that sentiment, that that in some way shifted the public's perception on how to deal with these boys? >> he was a part of a wave of people of privilege who were immediately starting to shape the story, starting to indict these boys, and, so, this film

asks you to think about the news. at that time, 89% of the headlines and the articles written about this case didn't use the word "alleged." 89% didn't use the word "alleged." >> trevor: wow. >> so it was this kind of rush to judgment on the part of politicians, you know, the press, but also private citizens who had the wherewithal to shape the conversation. >> trevor: when you chose to tell the story, you chose to tell nut a specific way. it is a limited series so you've broken it into pieces. you've done a piece focused on a certain element of who the boys were dealing with. it's dealing with the world that they're in, dealing with prison, their families, post-prison, et cetera. why did you tell the story that way? >> the story is of the famous case, the central park jogger case. but running alongside it is the story that by the end of it you should be fully versed in the nooks and crannies of the criminal justice system. by the time you finish watching this four-part film you will know about the central park five

but also will know a lot more about how the system we pay for as taxpayers, how it works. >> trevor: it's a beautiful story you've put together. it puts you into a different space. we know you for selma and 13t 13th and now "when they see us." we know a wrinkle in time is another side of who you are. how do you work between the two worlds? on the one hand you tell violent, gripping stories, on the other hand fantastical and beautiful. do you switch to that? do you have to go to hawaii in the middle and come back? what do you do? >> yes, i would like to go to hawaii in the middle. for a long time, i really resisted being social justice girl. >> trevor: why? >> because i didn't want to be put in a box. hollywood thinks i'm supposed to do a certain thing. i wanted to show i could do a little bit of everything, but as i've become older and more mature about it, i know that this work is important and i can do it, and i think i do it well.

and so i'm okay with being social justice girl. you have to call me social justice woman, though, and i'm okay with that. >> trevor: i'll call whatever you want. ava duvernay thanks for being on the show again. "when they see us" premieres may 31st on netflix. ava duvernay, everybody! we'll be right back! ava duvernay, everybody! ( cheers and applause ) ♪ [tv] i can't stop loving you.

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