>> trevor: what's going on everybody, welcome to another episode of the daily social distancing shoavment i'm trevor noah and today is day 37 of us staying at home to try and prevent the spread of the coronavirus. and not only is it day 37, today is also earth day. yes. the day when we celebrate one of the top planets humans have ever lived on. you know, honestly, you have to admit, man, earth is having the best earth day ever. because ever since coronavirus locked all of us in our home, animals have been roaming free, the smog has cleared from the sky, the waters of venice are blue again. basically as bad as coronavirus has been for humans, it has been amazing for the earth. in fact, i don't want to be a conspiracy ther rest,-- theorist

but isn't wuhan a part of the earth? >> interest trevor's couch in new york captioning sponsored by comedy central city to your couch somewhere in the world, this is the daily social distancing show with trevor noah. >> trevor: now as you know, usually on the show we would cover all the latest coronavirus updates. but today we had a really special guest who came on the show. new york governor andrew cuomo. the man who is at the helm of the biggest coronavirus hot spot in the world right now. so for today's episode we are decided to air the full interview where we talk about everything from his meeting with trump to the rollout plans for new york's reopening, to what it was like having coronavirus hit his own family. so here it is. governor andrew cuomo, welcome to the daily social distancing show. >> pleasure to be with you. i am a big fan. >> trevor: well, thank you very much. i think everyone is a big fan of yours right now because more than ever during this pandemic,

people have sought out leaders who communicate effectively and seem to know what they're trying to do. nobody has all the answers about coronavirus but people look for leaders who know what they would like to do. let's start off with new york. where does new york stand right now in terms of the numbers and in terms of its trajectory. >> well, the good news is we have shown that we can control the spread of the virus, right. which people take for granted now. but i wasn't always so sure. we could have taken all these measures, closed down, stay home, and we without have seen that spread continue to go up. that would have been a really frightening place. but that was a possibility. we showed that we can control the spread. it went up, the so called plateau was hit, a flat spot and now we are on the downside of the plateau. the question is how fast is that decline and how long does it take to make the decline. we have about 1300 people per

day new diagnose cease coming into the system. we lost about 474 people yesterday. which is a horrific number, but it is, the only good news is it is less than the previous numbers of people we lost. and the hospitalization rate is coming down. we have about 16,000 people in hospitals. so the numbers are all on the decline. and that's the good news. how long does it take until that number gets to a small enough level where you can sleep at night and not worry about it? could be two weeks, could be three weeks, could be 50. >> trevor: you are balancing the pressure of the people who want to and need to get back to earning a living and also you know, the pressure of keeping people safe as a leader. how are you weighing these numbers? is there a point where you say the risk is worth taking to go outside?

>> yeah, that's-- you put the question very well. and often the question is more important than the answer. and here is one of those cases, i think. that is the boundary. the pressure that people are under is phenomenal. it is traumatic. this is traumatic for people. and that's the way i think about it. you are right, the economic pressure, you have no paycheck but meanwhile they are still sending the bills. the bill collector is an essential worker and they are piling up on your desk. you don't know when you will go back. you don't know if you will go back. you don't know if your job is still there, in your business is still there. you have been in the house with the family for a month, it sounds romantic, the first seven days, and then it gets highly stressful when you have everyone in that environment it with nothing to do and everyone has their own stress. so it is-- people are about to burst on one level. they are under that kind of pressure. on the other hand, we have 474

people die yesterday. you tell me how many people go outside today and touch other people, i will tell you how many people walk into a hospital three days from now. the cause and effect is that high. this virus communicates and transfers that quickly and that precisely. so you think a situation like new york city where social distancing cannot happen by definition. nobody gets six square feet of real estate, right. you don't get six feet on a subway car or on a bus or sidewalk. you will see those numbers go up. it is an impossible balance, trevor. it's impossible to make people, to make both sides happy, if you will. and you just have to accept that. and for me it's going to be about the data. we're going to be tested.

we're going to look at the hospitalization rate, we're going to look at that death rate. and you don't start to reopen until you haves no numbers under control. >> trevor: so what is that number for you? do you have that number? is there a number that medical professionals or experts have given to you and said this is the number that we think activates new york's reopening? >> they won't give me the number, trevor. because you're right, nobody has been here on any of these situations. what they will say is the number will decline to a level that is basically a low constance. because you can't stop all transmission of the virus. we're never going to get down to zero. so when you get down to the lowest level you can, that is your low point. because remember, the economy is not really closed down. you still have a sense of workers out there. you have people on buses and transportation and people in grocery stores. so that will be some low level

constant. and once we hit that number t then you can talk about starting to reopen. >> so we're seeing governors around america, we're seeing leaders around the world using different tactics to reopen their country in denmark they started opening up a few schools. in germany they're getting ready to do that. in georgia they said they are going straight to bowling alleys and hair dressing, salons, et cetera. do you have an idea? are you going to say to new yorker we will start with these industries, this world and then move to this or that. or does it all open at once? do you have an idea of what that would be? >> no, it has to be phased in. it has to be slow and building. and watch that infeksz rate-- infection rate as you start to open the val of to reopen. as you increase the flow, keep your eye on that infection rate. we're going to have the most aggressive testing program ever done, just to monitor that infection rate. remember, the hospitalization rate is too late.

hospitalization rate is people who are so sick they went into a hospital. we want to track the infection rate. so we watch that, start opening the flow slowly and then basically it is a matrix. how essential is the business, and how high a risk does the business pose. the more essential businesses first, and the lower risk businesses first. so barbershops, hair salons, to me they are on the end of the chain because they are not that essential. people would argue, but in the scope of things, they are not that essential. and they are high risk because i want to see a person perform a haircut and maintain social distancing while they give you a haircut. and i want to see the haircut that they do after they did it socially distant. so that would be-- on the front end, you would just basically be

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welcome back to daily social distancing shoavment earlier today i spoke with new york governor andrew cuomo, here is more with the interview. >> you are in an interesting place right now where you are the governor of new york, but you are one of many governors who has entered into a pablght to try and open up a region. because as you said publicly, the the virus doesn't follow state lines. you can't do this approach without the federal government helping you where it needs to. you and trump have gone back and forth but one thing you both acknowledge is that when it comes down to it, you know how to communicate and you work together. you had a meeting with the president. was there anything fruitful from that meeting? is there anything that is going to come from that meeting? and what is the relationship feen yourself and trump slash the federal government right now in getting new york what it needs. >> the relationship between myself and the president is, the president doesn't like me. that is the relationship stufnlt

ambiguous, st honest, st open. and he doesn't like my politics, let's say. and we have been at political loggerheads many times over the past few years. if you look at his twitter account, you will see my name quite often. none of it good, trevor, none of it good. and i have sued the federal government a number of times. so it is open and it is not necessarily loving. having sailed that, we had a meeting, the white house, and it was a very productive meeting. and i don't mean in diplomatic, concept all talk, it was a honest, open, granular detailed conversation about the subject of test. which is totally new for everyone. it's an impossible undertaking because the numbers are just so extraordinary and there is so much urgency to it. but we had a very honest conversation and we went through what is test, and what should the states do, and what should

the federal government do. and we basically allocated tasks. so it was a very positive conversation. and look, i give them credit. because it is hard to actually sit down with some one who you have is differences with. and say put that all aside. and let's just do our job here, our respective jobs. because it is bigger than we are. and that is what yesterday was. it was forget everything else. we're talking about life-and-death. we're talking about the profound moment of our history that we will experience and we have a job to do because we're in a position, and let's just do it and forget everything else. and that is the way it should be. who cares o how telephone-- he is or how i feel. who cares about how i feel about him personally. my feelings are irrelevant. my emotions are irrelevant.

just do the job. who cares about what i think or what he thinks. and that's what yesterday was. >> trevor: great to hear that the testing part of it is what really jumped out to me. because one thing most people seem to agree upon all across the world is with testing that is going to be our best defense against coronavirus before vaccine. testing and tracing this virus. what does that mean though for you as a governor of new york. does it mean every new yorker has some method where they are self-testing or getting tested and monitoring themselves? does it mean that people who come from out of state can or cannot come in unless they are tested? i'm really infreeinged by how this will work. because unless the whole world is doing the same sthing, one hole might be a local for everybody. it could sink the entire ship. so what does that mean for you in terms of testing and how it will be applied. >> there there will always be a net with many holes. i don't think you're going to have enough tests anywhere to to

design the perfect system, okay. testing capacity, we are trying to jump start a testing laboratory system that just doesn't do this. i have private labs in my state, there are national manufacturers of lab kits and lab equipment. but we're asking them to go to 50 times what they can do. if you took every machine in the state of new york that does z t and you ran itself endays a week, 24 hours a day, you could get up to about 40,000 tests per day, all right. that is the maximum capacity. sounds like a lot, but it's not when you are talking about 19 million people. i have done more tests in this state than any state in the united states. we do more tests than any country per capita and we have tested about 500,000 people. it sounds like a lot of people.

but again, not on a population of 1-9d million, not on a workforce of 9 million. and that was 500 in one month. you want to bring them back based on tests, you can't do it. what tests can do is monitor the spread of the virus. that you can do with tests. and that is the single most important thing to me. because as you are opening, the reopening val-of-and increasing the flow, what you need to know is how many people are geght infected and that testing can do for you. it can also do antibody testing with not only how many pleem infected but people that can do the con val es ent plasma treatment which is important. and it gives employers a tool in their workplace to test a smaller number so you know for those that next throng of

essential businesses that their workers are fine. but you are never going to be able to do a net that covers new york or any other state. >> trevor: as a governor you are facing a pandemic right now, in one of the most affected places in the world. the horizon, unfortunately, brings with it another dark side and that is people's finances. you know, yes, some people may have been able to stop paying their mortgage, some may have been given a little leeway to pay their rent or not pay their rent. what happens on the other side of this? is there a plan to help people, to help new yorkers who now may have a landlord who says well, you are only two times the rent. or now you owe me double this or double that, is there any plans to try and alleviate that stress that may be felt post coronavirus. >> we're talking about it, trevor, and we are thinking about it. we don't have a specific plan yet because we don't know how bad it is. i have said short term no one

can be evicted for nonpayment. >> okay. >> so you are out of work, you are not having a check. you cannot be evicted for nonpayment. that is the immediate short-term problem, right. depending on how long this goes, you will have other issues down the road, no doubt. the expression stone to stone across the moras, how do you get across the that is all we see in front of us. stone to stone. you don't have to figure out the whole path, just find the next firm stone to advance your progress. and that's what we are doing. so deal with it here and now, and then we'll tig out the future when we actually see what the future is because were we have been wrong from day one here, right. every projection has turned out to be incorrect. so i am at the point where let

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is there a reason you chose to do this? because somebody doesn't go i'm going to hide it all and not slair anything with the public, i will just make them feel good. you have chosen a completely different approach. why, because i haven't slept at night and i feel like you could have carried some of that burden for me. but i want to know why you chose o to not do that? >> we had our first case on march 1st. i was going to put in some of the most dramatic government mandates in history. no other governor has shut down the economy it. no other governor has ever said you have to stay home. if new yorkers had said no, i'm not doing it, and new yorkers are a defiant bunch, i would have been powerless. i can't enforce a stay at home order for 19 million people. the ability to have a plan was

purely depend ent on new yorkers buying in. and they are smart, and they are cynical. and if they don't believe you or you haven't made your argument and you haven't laid out the facts, they're not going to do it. especially when you're asking them to do something they don't want to do. especially when you are asking them to do something they have never done before. just think about things that new yorkers, everybody must stay home, lock the door. you can't go outside, except to go buy food and then you have to run right back home. no, no, i am a native new yorker. my first instinct is no, i'm not doing that. but i'm not doing it. so they have to believe it. they have to understand it. and i am not in the business of not telling the truth or trying to manipulate or i'm only going to tell you what you can handle because i'm worried about what

you can actually absorb. no. i am not there to filter. i'm not there to manipulate. here is the situation. here are the facts. i am going to tell you everything i know. you know everything i know. and just the way i know it. no sawrg coating. >> trevor: there is no lying that everyone has been affected by this. some days i feel like life is normal. some days i feel like this is the craziest thing i have ever experienced and it swings wildly, i know everyone has a different experience of it i don't know what st like to be a leader, a governor of a state where thousands of people are dying and you are hearing this, you are seeing the stories, you are responsible for these lives. you are not responsible for the deaths but you are responsible for the lives of the people in keeping everybody safe, as safe as you can. what has that done for you as a person? like how are you doing and how are you doling with this? >> on the communication which as i said is so important because really this is all a volume tear program by new yorkers, right.

they change their behavior. they brought down the infection rate. but i gave them the information. part of the information was personal. because this is, this is traumatic. this is ptsd for an entire generation. that will talk about this. and it is personal. so i tried to communicate how i feel personally, and my fear and my anxiety, as part of this, to say to you, you are not alone. everyone is feeling this. i am feeling it too. the one differ rent yaition is i have to deal with the number of deaths in the state. 15,000 people, trevor, 9/11, 2700 people, 9/11, 2700 people, that was supposed to be the worst experience of my life, i believe. 2700 people, this is 15,000 people, 474 people yesterday.

that weighs heavily on me. i can sit here and say to you i believe that we did everything that could possibly be done. i don't believe we lost anyone because we didn't have a bed and we didn't have doctors and nurses. we did that. but we still lost 15,000 people. and i still am the governor, and i still hold myself responsible, and i still say to myself what else could i do, what else could i do, what else could i do. was there anything else that we could be doing right now? that is a very heavy burden to bear. >> jordan: >> trevor: you also have an interesting connection to the coronavirus on a personal level. and i know we have to let you go soon. but i wanted to chat to you a little bit about a strangs journey that many of us have gone on where we got introduced to a love and a friendship that you share with your brother who is on cnn. and su know, for many peernlings

i mean we have never seen this side of you. we have never seen you and your brother, and the way you joke with each other. and then it came out that crist are coronavirus. and now all of a sudden his world was turned upside down. did any of that experience shape you in a different way, when it became that much closer to you as a person? >> oh it did. for sure it did. and again, in the same way the powerlessness, po westerliesness, st my brother, and he's my man. he is my best friend. and you know, i don't like to give him any credit because that is the whole big brother and little brother thing. but the guy st a superstar, he really. is and he is a beautiful guy, just a beauty. but he gets sick. he is in his basement. i can't even go see him. and then his wife gets sick. she's quarantined upstairs. he's quarantined in the basement. he's got three kids. a 17 year old and two younger kids. and i can't go see him. i can't help the kids.

i mean it is just terrible, not mayor of a science fiction movie, where you can have loved ones with this disease where nobody knows whether you are going to live or die, you know, and i kept saying to him, don't worry, you are young, you are fine. yeah's sure but who knows, right. because you have the potential that it attacks seniors but also younger people are dying. and there is nothing i could do. i am his big brother. i love him more than anybody. i am the governor of the state. nothing that i can do to help. and that say humbling situation to be in. it just shows you how we all try to be in control. you are in control of nothing. you are in control of nothing at the end of the day. plen plan and god laughs, right? so it's, on top of all the disorientation, on top of the responsibility, and you just have this real life situation

where you worry every day, that is he going to be the one that trp could be, that could lose his life, that could die from this. so it does bring it home, it does bring it home. >> trevor: governor, thank you so much for your time today, i really appreciate it hopefully we will be seeing on the shoi, on the other side of this. look after yourself, mentally, physically and thank you so much for joining us on the daily social distancing show. >> thank you. keep well. >> >> trevor: that sour show for tonight. before we go with businesses closing and people still losing their jobs, lots of people are jilging to find a meal right now. but you can help by donating to feeding america. therp's supplying food to millions of americans every single day and they could really use your help, even a dollar could help somebody get a meal. don't forget that. until tomorrow, stay safe, wash your hands and remember, you can it save toilet paper by ming in the shower.

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