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show." on tonight's episode, we wanted to talk about the only conversation every american is having right now: what do you do about the police? do you abolish them? do you defund them? do you make them smoke the whole carton of tear gas so they learn their lesson? well, tonight instead of guessing or using some random account on twitter to try and figure it out, we're going to be speaking to actual organizers and some of the actual people who have been behind the "defund the police" andthe abolish movements from the very beginning. so if you're confused, or if you don't agree, or if you just want to try and find out what the hell is going on, well, tonight's episode is specific for you you. yeah, you bryan. i see you. welcome to "the daily social distancing show." >> announcer: from trevor's couch in new york city to your couch somewhere in the world, this is "the daily social distancing show," with trevor

noah." >> trevor: all right, before we get into the conversation that's happening among activists and everyone in america, let's catch up with the ongoing conversation in washington. because while the movement in the street has been building up steam, democrats in washington have been scrambling to respond. but yesterday, i think they figured it out. with-- >> some were not a fan of the colorfucolorful kente scarf turt into a political prop. >> trevor: okay i understand the symbol symbolic gesture of kneeling to remember george floyd. what i don't understand is why they had to dress like extras from "coming to america 2." a lot of people were confused about why democrats wore african cloth to talk about george floyd and police

brutality. it felt as if they were trying too hard. but i'm just glad they managed to talk nancy pelosi down from the original outfit she planned. a step too far. and, look, however much you want to blame nancy pelosi and the democrats for doing this, we also have to assign some of the blame to the african store owner who knew full well that no good can come from one white person buying 50 kente cloths. "no, nancy, you have to trust me. the more kente you wear, the less offensive it becomes." now, goodbye. the democrats also unveiled police reform legislation that would make some pretty big changes. it would ban no-knock warrants to prevent situations like the one that killed breonna taylor while sleeping in her own bed. the legislation also proposes banning all choke holds to prevent police from taking another eric garners life.

and one of the biggest measures this legislation proposes is making it easier to prosecute police who use excessive force. as opposed to now, where in it is almost impossible to convict a police officer. you need to catch them on video, then have a d.a. that's willing to prosecute them, then have a jury that actually wants to hold cops accountable. and even if you get all that, you still need to find the cop's horcrux and destroy it. otherwise, they just go back out but while democrats are proposing legislation to reform the police, unsurprisingly, republicans in congress don't most republicans in congress don't seem to be on board. and as for president trump, he is doubling down hard on his support for police. >> president trump held a meeting with police union officials and local and state law enforcement officials yesterday at the white house. he vowed there will be no dismantling of american policing. >> there won't be defunding. there won't be dismantling of our police and there's not going to be any disbanding of our police. our police have been letting us live in peace, and we want to make sure we don't have any bad

actors in there. and sometimes you'll see some horrible things like we witnessed recently. but 99-- i say 99.9, but let's go with 99-- percent of them are great, great people. >> trevor: 99% of all police are great people. and i guess it's just unlucky that protesters happen to keep meeting with that bad 1% over and over and over and over again. i guestt those guys must work a lot of overtime. and, you know, i always find it amazing how trump manages to always see the good in the groups that he likes. he says the police are 99% great great people. in charlottesville, he said there were good people on both sides, he said the armed protesters in michigan, the same people who stormed the state house, were very good people who were just frustrated. if you're on trump's good side, find a way to interpret anything you do in the best light

possible. he could walk in on you in bed with his wife, and he'd be like, "my wife and my best friend taking a nap together! good people!" now, look, let's be clear. i'm not saying all cops are bad, but tje problems with the police are much more widespread than trump is acknowledging, because every single time, every single time a police department gets audited or investigated, the results that come back show deep rot and systemic issues, often from the top. it's like turning on a black light in a hotel room. you're not going to find only one stain. unlike mitt romney, who was marching in washington over the weekend, trump has never expressed support for the black lives matters movement. and yesterday, his press secretary claimed that trump doesn't need to say black lives matter because his support with black people is overwhelming.

>> reporter: kayleigh, does he agree, in general-- the way that mitt romney stated over the weekend he does-- with the core message of black lives matter? >> yeah, mitt romney can say three words outside on pennsylvania avenue, but i would note this: that president trump won 8% of the black vote. mitt romney won 2% of the black vote. >> trevor: okay, firstly, that's bullshit. romney didn't get 2% of the black vote. he got 6% while running against the only black president ever. but either way, this is just sad. you're going to brag about getting 8% of the black vote? really? 8% out of 100? that's like some loser bragging to his friend, "you know how susie said she just sees you as a friend? well, she told me she see me as an older brother!" so trump's position on the protesters, around defending the

police, around black lives matter, it seems pretty clear. but just in case you are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, this morning, the president of the united states tweeted this: >> president trump is questioning the motives of the 75-year-old activist shoved to the ground by buffalo police officers during a protest last friday. the president tweeted martin gugino "could be an antifa provocateur" and said, "i watched. he fell harder than was pushed. could be a set up." gugino remains in serious but stable condition at the hospital. >> reporter: this is one of the more alarming tweets we have ever seen from president trump. it appears to be based on a news clip from the "one america news network," which is a network for conspiracy theory kooks. >> reporter: gugino is a longtime peace activist and volunteer for catholic worker, which is a movement dedicated to justice and peace. >> trevor: yeah, trump is so desperate to defend the police

that instead of admitting that maybe they used excessive force and that none of them helped a person who was bleeding out on the ground, he turns around and blames the old man from that video for being an antifa provocateur who busted his head open on purpose. i can't believe i have to say it-- but that is some bat shit crazy theory. if someone came up to me with a plan that involved busting my head open on the sidewalk, i would ask them to come up with a better plan. i mean, how do you look at that video, see an old man, and think that he's an antifa provocateur? you see that old man as causing chaos. who sees that? i feel like trump is the kind of person who watched the movie "up" and he think it's about an elderly activist who hijacka

balloon house. but with this tweet and everything else he's done in the past couple of weeks, trump has clearly picked which side he is on in the debate. i mean, forget about 8% of the black vote. if this is trump's attitude about reforming the police, there's no kente cloth in the world big enough to make up for it. coming up, we'll be having a discussion with leading experts and activists about fixing america's police problem. so stick around. we'll be right back. for over 75 years people ...with geico... ohhh...sorry!. director's voice: here we go. from the top. and action for over 75 years people have saved money with gecko so.... director's voice: cut it! ...what...what did i say? gecko? i said gecko? aw... for over 75 year...(laughs. but still trying to keep it contained) director's voice: keep it together. i'm good. i'm good. for over 75...(uncontrollable laughter). what are you doing there? stop making me laugh. vo: geico. saving people money for over seventy-five years.

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do you reform the police, defund the police, abolish the police. and to help myself and everyone watching get a better handle on it, i wanted to talk to some of america's experts and activists about how to reform america's police departments. so earlier today, i spoke to patrisse cullors, a co-founder of black lives matter, josie duffy rice, a journalist and lawyer. sam sinyangwe, co-founder of campaign zero. mychal denzel smith, who is a type media center fellow and author. and alex vitale, brooklyn college professor and author of "the end of policing." hey everybody, welcome to "the daily social distancing show." this is the most people we have spoken to at one point. thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks for having us. >> thanks. >> trevor: patrisse i'm going to jump straight in with you. as cofounder of black lives matter, did you ever think you would see the day where everyone from amazon to mitt romney would be proudly proclaiming black

lives matter? >> no, no, i did not see that day coming. i know-- i knew that when started black lives matter, oleasia opel and i, that it would resound deeply with folks across the country, especially black people, and black people across the globe. but did i think that some of the largest corporations would have it plastered on their screens? no, not at all. >> trevor: do you feel like black lives matter has achieved its purpose now? or do you think that a lot of people are using black lives matter as a-- as a cover to say, hey, we're good." like some people say, yes, it's good that people are saying it. others say it's not enough. as a cofounder i feel like you're in a better place than most people to speak to it. >> sure, i think seven years ago saving black lives matter was incredibly radical. i think that many of us sort of used that term as a marker on where our elected officials stood, on where our appointed

officials stood. if they said black lives matter, we knew, that okay, we were get into them. if they said all lives matter, we knew they were a lost cause. of it years later i think it's not just about black lives matter. it's about what does that actually mean. what do we mean when we say black lives matter? which is why defund the police has become a resounding call. and i'm proud of the conversation we're having not just as a movement but as american people and people living inside this country. >> trevor: right now, i think more than ever before in america and in and around the world, people are asking questions about policing. are there different ways to police? can policing be improved? is policing even essential in the way that we see it every single day? and the reason i've gathered all of you on this panel is because you're some of the voices who have been most vocal in talking about policing as we see it, you know. everything from the reforms that could be done today to long-term solutions that could change the way we see enforcement of laws

in the future. and so, you know maybe i'll start with you, sam, as part of 8 can't wait. the organization got a shout-out from former president barack obama, and it was initially-- and i think it still is-- an organization where you went for police reforms that can be done, like, immediately. explain to me a little bit about what the thinking behind that was. >> so, you know, we looked at the academic literature, 40 years of literature that shows more restrictive use of policy can reduce killings by police and police shootings overall, both fatal and nonfatal. we recognize that these are things cities can do it right now. a mayor can do it, a police chief can do it as a harm-reduction strategy. but i think ultimately where the country is right now is striving for a lot more. it's not just about harm reduction. it's how do we move towards transfederallation change, which

includes building alternatives to the police, and defunding the police. i think that ought to be supported in this moment. >> trevor: it feels like because this movement has been amplified by what's going on online, a lot of people, including myself, have been drawing resources, little snippets here and there, little snippets here and there. there have been organizers and activists hosting zoom calls and showing people in presentations what they want to do. it does feel like right now everyone is left to their own devices to try to figure out what any of these things mean. which invariably means everybody gets to, you know, make up what this thing means. so you're talking about reforms, sam, which i think a lot of people understand. if we're talking about defunding, patrisse, we'll go back to you and then we'll start moving around. but what does defunding the the police mean? to some people they hear you saying take money away from the police as a punishment for what they've been doing wrong.

>> sure. i mean, i really think about it pretty simply which is what are the things the police are doing right now that can actually be given over to other groups of people, other workers who have been trained to do that particular thing? we can start off with homelessness. police are at the helm of criminalizing the homeless. we don't need them to be at the helm of criminalizing the homeless. we need mayors and county governors to show up and put dollars and money towards people who are homeless and giving them housing and shelter. what about people who have mental health crises. why are the police the first responders. this is not actually a job for a police officer. it's a job for a social worker, a psychiatrist. all this infrastructure is essentially gutted in communities that i live in and communities around the country. so what ends up happening, though, is they're replaced with overbloated police budgets. so you look at los angeles, where i'm from, which our l.a.p.d. department actually

receives 54% of the city's budget, meaning that everything else that a community needs, they're not receiving. but they are receiving a gun and a badge, and that is deeply unfortunate. >> trevor: alexz, let's switch over to the abolish conversation. as the author "the end of policing" and as a professor, you have looked into the ways people can live in a police-free world. now, i won't lie, my mind struggles to understand the concept, and that's maybe because i've never seen it. sometimes you can't imagine what you've never come across. what exactly does "the end of policing" mean? what does it mean to abolish the police. >> it's really more about a process driven by a set of principles than it is by predetermined outcomes. i think what we're seeing on the streets today when people say defund the police. yes, it's about the immediate changes patrisse is talking about. but it's also about a generation of young people, you know, crying out for a world that isn't driven by racial and class

inequalities that are enforced by policing. and the sad truth is that that has been the role that police have played in american society systems that produce these inequalities. and every time we turn a problem over to them, it makes nose those inequalities worse in the long run. police abolition is about trying to reduce the burden of policing today while we work to build something better for future. >> trevor: so let's talk a little bit about that. mychal, maybe you can help me. if there are no police, like are, you proposing or do you see a world with no police? or is it just a different kind of people who enforce laws? what does that mean? >> we say "abolish the police" because we mean abolish the police. there's no mincing of language there. there's nothing that we're trying to trick you on. but the thing i think that-- where i come down is just who is making the positive arguments for the police at this point? and i say that because tell me

something right now that the police are are good at, other than what whooping, other than doing that, what are they good at? they don't prevent murders. they come in and try to figure out who did the murder afterwards. and they don't do any of the things that they're sent out to do. like patrisse is telling us, like, we want them to, like, solve homelessness, but what that means is just get the homeless people out of the street. we want them to solve these mental health crises, but that just means kill the people who have rhaving mental health breakdowns. none of the things we ask them to do they're gooda and we keep giving them lots and lots of money to do those things. >> i think one of the things that people always say when you start talking about abolishing the police or defunding the police, what about murder? what about rape? people say what if your kid got kidnapped? that's not something i worried about every single day as a parent since the day he was born. the reality is that the police

aren't doing a very good job of handling those situations. and that when we picture accountability in this country, we're relying on a violent system to reduce violence, right? >>. we're relying on a cruel system to reduce cruelty. and we are funding the back end of-- of social ills instead of the front end of addressing them. so when we see, right now, it's very hard to imagine a world without police. it's very hard to imagine a world defunding the police. because that's all we have to rely on. we are dreaming of a new world. and the ability to imagine a new world is exciting. this is exciting, right. i mean, it's hard to step out of what we know. but it's an opportunity to think about if we were designin desigs from scratch, is that when we would have designed? is that what the police would have designed? i don't think it is. >> trevor: stick around. when we come back i'll be back with our panel discussing more on how to reform america's

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go on go-slows or go on basically mini strikes, even if they don't call it a strike. what process do you see unfolding on the way there? you're saying to these people, "we're getting rid of the police as you know it." and, i mean, police departments hire thousands and thousands of people who earn a living from this. i can see many people who don't have a vested interest in allowing a smooth transition. so, you know, have any of you seen any thought that's been put into how that transition would happen? >> yeah, you know, there's two ways to think about it. it's manufacturing the political consent to this, and part of that story is neutralizing the power of police unions who have become a locus for a kind of ideology that says the only way we can solve our problems is with people with guns. and in new york in the last week, over 15 elected officials rejected police endorsements and went and took police contributions and gave them away to bail bonds.

they said we're not going to work with these police unions anymore, not because of their pensions, but but because of their toxic politics. the other thing is we have very concrete interventions in mind to deal with very specific things that police do, including shootings and homicides. we have evidence that shows that well-funded and well-run community-based antiviolence initiatives, credible messenger programs can reduce the violence without driving young people into mass incarceration or labeling them gang bangers or super predators. >> trevor: let's talk about the racial element, then, which is how do you convince large swaths of america's population who are wealthier and white to buy into a policy where they go, "we do like the police." why would they buy into your philosophy? how do you try to move that needle. the needle will be need to do moved at some point to get

tipping. >> that's an interesting question. in many of those communities, they barely have the police. what we're asking them to imagine is a world like the one they live in. in many of these communities police are not driving down their street. they're not seeing the police at every juncture. people aren't being stopped and frisked on their sidewalk. when thikid gets caught smoking weed they deal with it at home. the idea of their liking the police is theoretical, i think, and not tangible. it's interesting because in many communities where the police are the most present, those are the communities that are calling for less police. >> trevor: at the same time, respectfully, josie, i find when you read the stats or just read through america's history, a lot of the time black leaders and black community leaders, they're the ones who are asking for more police. when people talk about the crime bills back in the day in america and being tough on crime, i've seen the videos of black community leaders saying, "we need you to send in more police. send in as many police as possible. we need more police."

is there a disconnect in the black community. is it older black conservative people. i don't know what it is. not conservative in republican-democrat. but conservative people saying we need more police and different people wanting different things. >> i think one of the things that he concluded that we're keeping in mind is historically, you think about the late 80s, the early 90s, in particular, when black leaders were calling for more police, they were also calling for a lot of other resources. we'd like more police. we'd also like better schools. we'd like our kids to be able to go to the park. we'd like an after-school program. we'd like jobs. what they got was more police. they didn't get the other stuff. what we're seeing now is only investing in law enforcement did not create the kind of change and does not create the better communities that we want to see. when i worked in the south bronx, they couldn't get their trash picked up for weeks. but you could find a police

officer if you walked five steps in either direction. is that the kind of world anybody wants to live in? i truly don't think anybody, white, wealthy, poor, black, immigrant, nonimmigrant, wants to live in that world. >> i also think to josie's point and to your question, trevor, part of this process is also culture. people strog change and culture changing. and that often takes time. and i think we're in a moment where we can call for more. because when i show up to a march in los angeles where 50,000 people come out, it's not all black people. it's a multiracial movement led by black people. but i see all types of folks holding up "black lives matter" signs "defund" signs, largely a younger generation saying we are tired in the ways in which police relate to black people and we stand on their side. natalie portman who is natalie portman. i had a long talk with her about defund police, and we had

celebrities sign on to it to defund police. and me and natalie had a real heart to heart, and she said, "i feel safe with the police and saying this to you makes me deeply uncomfortable, but it's true." >> trevor: wow. >> "i don't know how to deal with this contradiction. i'll go study. send me everything you have. i'll do my own research." a couple of days ago she wrote on her instagram post, "i am with the defund police program. they have kept me safe. i have called the police on people, they kept me safe. and now i understand that my safety has everything to do with black people's unsafety. that to me is where we're going. people are reimagining, taking the time. they're studying, they're trying to figure this thing out because there's no easy fix. >> yeah, and i think we have to take note of how long that process can be, right. so, like, formal protests against police violence in this

country by black folks has been happening since the early 1900s, right. and white affluent liberals sort of understand that concept around 1967 with the kerner commission being put together by president lyndon johnson. and being like, "oh, this is going to keep happening unless we fund these programs." and then we have the building of mass incarceration and the investment in policing, the '94 crime bill. and you have black lives matter in 2013. and now we're getting to defunding the police. that's a long arc. it's understanding there's a lot happening. some weeks or years, and so there's a lot of rich opportunity right now for that kind of consciousness shifting. >> trevor: it's interesting that you say it is a new movement because it does feel completely different, not just in the physical movement of people but in the movement of ideas, the way the window has shifted completely. i think what's-- what's interesting to me is even to

sam, for instance, you know, as part of the organization 8 can't wait, you guys came out very quickly to respond to what was happening. you received a little bit of criticism in the community, but what i found interesting is you guys didn't dig your heels in. instead you short of shifted your resources towards defund and said the movement is here now and we're moving towards it and support it, which you always have from the beginning. but you worked to clarify that message. that's not an easy thing for people to do and i wanted to know why you guys decided to do tht. >> we recognize this moment is unique. this is the culmination of so much work from so many people across the country. and the ultimate demand that we are hearing is people want to reimagine and transform the current system. they want to defund the police. they want to build alternatives. and so, yes, it's true that having a use-of-force policy that bans things like choke holds, strangleholds or makes deadly force a last resort

rather than a first resort, yes, that can reduce police killings. but ultimately the end result should be ending police violence. we should be supporting the work that's happening on the ground and shifting those resources away from police and into community-based alternatives. >> trevor: that's part two of our panel discussion on how black lives matter and the defund movement and the abolish movement are looking to reshape america's policing as we know it. after the break, we'll be wrapping things up and figuring out how to get where people are

>> trevor: welcome back to the daily social distancing show. today on our episode we have been talking to activists and expert on how to reform america's policing system. it's clearly a problem, but how do you fix it? here's the final part of our discussion. let me ask you this before we wrap up the panel, where can people go? because, you know, patrisse not everyone is natalie portman, and not everyone will get to talk to you one on one, which i think everyone would benefit from. but where can people go? one of the things i've struggled with in america is it's very strange, especially during these years because there are many almost leaderless movements. i come from a country-- >> leader full, trevor.

>> trevor: i'm saying leaderless in terms of-- let me give you an example. in south africa you know who to talk to about the thing. in america, it feels like everyone talks, and the message gets muddied. everyone gets to own aboicial. everyone gets to own defund. everyone gets to own-- in my humble opinion it then becomes difficult ton what is or isn't a policy or idea because people don't know who to talk to. so where can people go? where can people learn? where can people actually find a centralized source of information, no, this is defund. this is abolish. otherwise it feels like it becomes very easy for bad actors and other people to just be like, oh, no, abolish means you're solving your own crimes, do you know what i mean? ( laughter ) so genuinely, for people who are watching and who are completely open. they're not blocking. they're like, "patrisse, i want to learn. i want to be natalie portman as

well." where do i go? >> i hear you. this is a deep-- i think this is really generational. our generation is not interested in a single person being the messenger for a number of reasons. number one, it's not safe. many of the things we're talking about, we're calling out the police. that's not safe to have a central leader. it's much safer to have a decentralized system. so i think what happens, and i really appreciate you, sam, for just naming what you named, and probably we're talk about some of my folks as organizers. i think what we have to do is sort of be on message as a team. and sometimes that takes a little bit of time. but once we get there, you can see the conversation, right. when we first started having the conversation what, 15 days ago bdefund, the media was looking at us like we were crazy. they were like, that's cute. let's keep talking about black lives matter. what you have seen now is almost every single call i get from a media outlet is about defund or this conversation. we're in the right place. all of our organizations, and i

think all the work that we're doing is on the same pathway towards where we want to go. so black lives matter, blacklivesmatter.com, you can find thrus. or the movement for black lives, all those organizations are having conversations about defund and centering not as communication strategists but what are the real policies. those are two organizations. i don't want to say it's "the" organization. people have other places to go because this country is huge. there are millions of peep here. we do need many groups and people to have the right understanding of this moment, and how to move forward. >> trevor: well, i can't thank you enough, honestly. i think right now what's been sparked in minneapolis has seen its ripple effects felt around the world. and you are some of the people who i think many people are looking to not just for answers

but guidance. as you said, even just a shake-up to think of the world differently. thank you for taking the time. thank you for joining us on "the daily social distance show." who knows? maybe in a few years we'll be having this conversation saying, man, not only do black lives matter, but now we're solving our own crimes. ( laughter ) so thank you so much for joining me, everybody. i appreciate the time. patrisse, mychal, josie, sam, and alex, thank you very much, everybody. >> love to you all. >> thank you so much. there you have it. a lot of food for thought and thank you so much to patrisse, josie, sam, mychal and alex for joining us on the show. i hope this adds some clarity to what the defund movement is about and the abolish movement is about. as patrisse said, go and read. there are some websites amazing and informative. i hope they can help you, too. well, that's our show for tonight. before we go, "the daily show" and comedy central have been donating to three groups

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