. got it? i missed you. i missed you, too. you're back. uh, yeah. good. i need you to make five copies of these. i'm not going inside. all right. first thing in the morning, then. welcome back. we're back together again, baby. we're back. they tried to keep us apart, but they couldn't. it was like destiny. i--i realized that, for whatever reason, i just couldn't do better than kelly. oh! [quietly] yeah. ♪ ♪ >> announcer: from the most trusted journalists at comedy central... it's america's only source for news. this is "the daily show" with your host, jon stewart! [cheers and applause] ♪ ♪

[cheers and applause] ♪ ♪ >> jon: hello, everybody! boom! [cheers and applause] hey, everybody! welcome to "the daily show!" my name is jon stewart. and i am risen from covid hell! [cheers and applause] first-timer. did not care for it. i also want to welcome all of our viewers who are probably joining in from x, after watching an amazing and surprisingly life-affirming conversation between donald trump and elon musk.

you know, when they started quoting their favorite maya angelou passages to each other... "my interpretation, the caged bird is singing for bitcoin..." we do have a great show for you tonight. mark cuban is going to be joining us later. [cheers and applause] on this program, occasionally, we do make fun of donald trump. occasionally! and with the ribbing and the joshing and the pulling the pants down and the pointing. but he's in pain right now. >> multiple sources tell "the washington post" trump has grown increasingly upset about harris' surging poll numbers. >> trump is, quote, "complaining relentlessly." >> posting multiple times on social media, clearly frustrated

with biden's decision to step aside, saying, quote, "now we have to start all over again." >> jon: not fair! jesus! a month ago, he was basically already the [bleep] president! he had cheated death, he started a new ear accessory trend, back then, people thought his vp selection was a smart choice! he had it all in the bag, and it was taken away! he was perfect on the beam, he nailed the dismount, he was walking to the podium to get his medal, and [bleep] romania filed an inquiry, right at the last minute! at the last minute! and now they're stealing it from him! and just by the way, romania, file all you want. you're not getting that medal back. [cheers and applause] you are not getting it back.

oh, i'm sorry, we have an inquiry? yeah, good luck. but now, instead of enjoying the fruit of six years of biden attacks, trump's got to start all over again! and the audience has to literally sit through him getting up to speed. >> there are numerous ways of saying her name. you can say "kama-la," you can say "kama-la." ka-mala kama-la. a kama-la. >> trump misspelled harris's first name as "kamabla." [laughter] >> jon: i get "ka-mala" and i get "ka-ma-la"... kamabla? judges, are we taking kamabla? [buzzer] hope the romanians don't have a problem with that.

but you know what? i guess what trump calls her isn't as important as figuring out what she is. >> i don't know, is she indian or is she black? she was indian all the way, and all of a sudden, she made a turn and she went, she became a black person. [laughter] [boos] >> jon: "what am i going to do with all my indian ethnic slurs i was going to use? mostly involved turmeric and cumin! but she made a turn into black!" he talks about it like she wandered into the wrong neighborhood. "she was driving on the upper west side, then boom, she is in harlem. boom, what a turn." you know what, donald, you are clearly struggling. let's get some issue-oriented ideas flowing here.

you know what we are going to do? come on my brother. i'm going to help. we are going to do some -- [cheers and applause] apparently, writing a music about gambling all of a sudden. here we go. i got my pen and pad. i got my visor. forget the biographical stuff for now. let's focus on the issues! >> i saw it yesterday on abc, which they said, oh, the crowd was so big. and i've spoken to the biggest crowds. nobody has spoken to crowds bigger than me. [laughter] >> jon: okay, okay, that's one of those mom-and-pop issues for the single-issue "crowd size" voter. i'd move on, but -- oh, you've got more? >> i had 107,000 people in new jersey. you didn't report it. i'm so glad you asked. what did she have yesterday? 2,000 people.

we had in harrisburg, 20-25,000 people and 20,000 people couldn't get in. we had so many. nobody ever mentions that. when she gets 1500 people, they said, oh, the crowd was so big. i have 10 times, 20 times, 30 times the crowd size. [laughter and applause] >> jon: "i had an infinite crowd! one guy, she had one guy named jeff!" all right, it's very clear, you have everybody, she has nobody, can we move on? >> he wrote, "has anyone noticed that kamala cheated at the airport? there was nobody at the plane and she ai-ed it and showed a massive crowd of so-called followers but they didn't exist." he goes on to say, "she's a cheater. she had nobody waiting and the crowd looked like 10,000 people."

>> jon: oh come on [bleep] g god. [applause] now, for those of you saying, "wow, it sounds like he's losing his [bleep] mind": just because there is video and photographic evidence that kamala harris' crowd was real, doesn't mean that it was real. and you might say, "well, jon, i was actually there, i was in that crowd" -- have you considered that you're not real? have you considered that? the point is this: donald trump doesn't need the fake news media and their ai crowd shots to win this thing. because he's got inside information on kamala harris, from someone she used to date. >> well, i know willie brown very well. in fact, i went down in a helicopter with him. we thought, maybe this is the end. we were in a helicopter going to a certain location together, and there was an emergency landing. but he told me terrible things about her.

[laughter] >> jon: you were in a helicopter with former san francisco mayor willie brown, who famously dated kamala harris, and while the helicopter was going down, as you were plunging to your imminent death, former san francisco mayor willie brown turns to you and says, "this might not mean anything to you now, but do you remember that lady i was going out with?

the prosecutor?" well, before we die, i just want you to know, she's the worst! i do not want to meet my maker without giving you that piece of information that, if you survive, you may need." [cheers and applause] oh, my god! i got to tell you, i'm sure that that moment was seared not only into the memory of donald trump, but also into the memory of former mayor willie brown. >> to be clear, you have never been on a helicopter with donald trump. >> no, i have not. are you kidding me? i just assumed that he was on a helicopter ride with somebody black and he made the mistake and thought it was me. [cheers and applause] >> jon: what!

what? that is so [bleep] up. i'm sure that is not what happened. what are the chances trump is just mixing up his black people? >> it seems that the african american politician in question was not kamala harris' ex, former san francisco mayor willie brown, but rather this man, nate holden, a former los angeles city council member who says he had a bumpy ride with trump in 1990. [laughter] >> jon: oh, my god! do you know what this means? nate holden, former los angeles city council member, told donald trump, as their helicopter was going down, bad things about kamala harris that i guess willie brown had told him.

if they knew each other! that is the only explanation, right? >> holden saying, "willie is the short black guy living in san francisco. i'm a tall black guy living in los angeles. i guess we all look alike." >> jon: hey! donald trump is not racist. he just meets a lot of people on death helicopters, and he needs some mnemonic device help. "if the chopper goes down, that's not willie brown. [applause] if the flight's not going great, you're probably riding with nate." look, people, they pulled the candidate he trump crushing! it's hard! you think you could write a new

hour in a month? it's not easy! he's trying! he's trying out some good catastrophizing on harris! >> if harris wins this election, you will quickly have a crash like in 1929. we're could end up in world war iii. the suburbs will be overrun. >> jon: boom! that's what i'm talking about! stock market crash, world war iii, suburbs destroyed! it's fresh, it's new! we haven't heard -- what was that? i'm sorry? >> if biden got in, you'll have a stock market crash the likes of 1929 or worse. >> a very real risk of world war iii. >> they are going, in my opinion, destroy suburbia. >> jon: this is just a remix? dude, you can't find-and-replace "biden" with "kamala." that is lazy apocalypsing. look, man, if you want us to genuinely fear your opponent as the existential threat you'd like to make them out to be, you're going to have to do better than boiler-plate cut-and-paste shit. you're better than this! >> joe biden is a failed president.

>> she was a failed vice president. >> the worst president in the history of our country. >> the worst vice president in history. >> he's incompetent. >> she's incompetent. >> everything he's touched has been bad. >> everything she's touched has turned to bad things. >> he can't talk. >> she can't talk. >> in many ways, he's worse than bernie. >> she is worse than bernie. >> low iq, he's a low iq individual. >> she happens to be really a low iq individual. she really does. she has a very low iq. >> jon: this is bullshit, man. this is like when elton john changed, like, three words and then pretended "candle in the wind" was always about diana. it wasn't! very disrespectful to marilyn! [laughter]

too soon? here's the problem: even when trump does figure out how to come at kamala, it's not really landing. because most of the time, the bad stuff he's saying about her applies even more to him. >> if kamala will lie to you so brazenly about joe biden's mental incapacity, then she will lie to you about anything. she can never, ever be trusted. >> jon: yes, donald trump is telling america not to elect a liar. [cheers and applause] donald trump is saying that. i mean, for god's sakes, he's, like, the michael jordan of lying! or as trump would say -- the willie brown of lying! [cheers and applause] it is confusing. look, i hate to say it, but i don't think trump has got it in him to go after kamala harris. he's been fighting joe biden for six years! it's all he knows. he misses the fight so much that he was still workshopping nicknames for joe biden this

weekend. >> what do you like better? it doesn't matter anymore. but what do you like better, crooked joe or sleepy joe? sleepy joe, crooked joe? [laughter] >> jon: this is sad. it's like seeing an old man talking to an empty spot on the bench, and then you realize... that's where his wife used to sit! he would give up everything for just one more moment... with crooked joe! >> i hear he's going to make a comeback at the democrat convention. he's going to walk into the room and he's going to say, i want my presidency back. i want another chance to debate trump. i want another chance. >> jon: he's not coming back. he's not coming back, donald. [cheers and applause] hey, you know how i know he is

not coming back? we have a [bleep] camera on him! he's just sitting there at the beach, having an arnold palmer! you can hear him sighing over the waves! does this look like a man marshaling his forces to take back the nomination? or filming a corona commercial? he's finding his beach! it's over! there's only one way that -- donald, meet me at camera one. [cheers and applause] hello, friend. may i call you donald?

i get it. you wanted to run against joe biden, just two old dudes going toe-to-toe fungus. a last hurrah! "rocky 12!" it's not fair! now you've got to run against someone who appears healthy and youthful and happy! her vigor standing as a stark counterpoint to... whatever front butt thing you have going on. and it's pretty clear that biden isn't going to do what needs to be done to stop this steal. but someone i know loves stopping steals. right? you feeling me? kamala harris accepts the nomination next thursday night. which means, it may be time to get the gang together, storm the convention! pull an august 22nd! this time on behalf of joe biden! all you'd need is thousands of

supporters who have not yet been sent to jail yet for being part of the last mob. or got sent to jail so early in the process, they're already out! if only there was a sign of the righteousness of this cause. >> a federal judge ruling the department of justice must return the spear and fur helmet belonging to qanon shaman jacob chansley. >> jon: shaman! don thy fur helmet! we ride on, for bi-don! when we come back, mark cuban is here. don't go away. we'll be right back. [cheers and applause]

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>> jon: welcome back to "the daily show." my guest tonight is an entrepreneur, minority owner of the nba's dallas mavericks, and co-founder of cost plus drug company. please welcome mark cuban. [cheers and applause] ♪ ♪ [cheers and applause] >> thank you! yes, sir! security! i didn't hear you, what did you say? >> jon: this is a knicks town. our people in new york -- are they, because of the history between the mavericks and the knicks, generally with the trades were you pleased as to a certain extent -- do you find there is a kindness -- >> --

>> yeah. >> jon: extended to you? knicks fans? >> i like walking in new york, today, "cuban, we love you!" it's crazy. great basketball fans. all kinds of love. >> jon: that is what you get a new york? that is what they shout at you? >> now does more things for j.b. >> jon: well, did you have any idea -- when knicks was there -- sorry, i am a knicks fan. he was not -- he started in the playoffs. did you have any idea that he would become this all nba phenomenon? he is undersized, his footwork is so phenomenal. >> no, he was talented but he was picked in the second round. everybody knew, he would've been a top-five pick. if you redraft that draft other than luka, he is a top three or five picked. >> jon: it's amazing. >> more credit to it. he worked on it. >> jon: he seems like a phenomenal guy. then decided to take a contract

for less money than he could have made. >> so it talk politics. [laughter] >> jon: by the way, you are in this interesting position, and your career, where you are sort of above -- you are now, even though i think your leanings, you would consider more independent, more libertarian, you are the left's favorite billionaire. [cheers and applause] you have become, because -- and i can't -- i don't know if it is because there is a certain mellowing that occurs as you get older, or if this new sort of tech bro phenomenon is so dystopian in its formulation. >> yeah, this is not whoever i always been. i have not been the rich guy trying to act like a rich guy. my high school fans are still my friends, my college buddies, but watching what is happening s insane. it's not so much as a poor

thing. it is more like a takeover thing. trying to put them selves in position to have as much control as possible. they want trump to be the ceo of the united states of america, and they want to be the board of directors that makes him listen to them. it is not a good thing. >> jon: what is the ether was? because it seems like, in the old days of innovation, there was a certain amount of trouble we are innovating the internet, we are taking things, now it seems much more about sort of this social engineering, and trans-humanism, and we are going to join with computers and together, eight of us are going to run everything. [laughter] is that the ethos you see? >> yeah. i think -- >> jon: going to go with "yeah?" >> they've gotten to the point now where they feel like they should control the world, right? and there should be a ceo in charge of everything. >> jon: because of a good photo app? >> because they are rich as [bleep].

you get to that point sometimes, i think they have lost the connection to real world. >> jon: is it boredom? like, is there a certain extent, if you are a jeff bezos or one of those guys, you have sold so many books that you are just like, "i'm going to live on mars?" >> i think it is more of: what is their next act? like, we invented this. we created this. what can we do next? somebody wants to go to mars, what would bill matt can we do back on earth? look at elon. elon, being one of those powerful people, he is trying to be the most influential man in the world -- sounds like a commercial. literally, that is what twitter is doing. >> jon: i got to say, i think he might be that. i don't even think he is trying to be. when you talk about somebody who is setting up satellite links for war zones and also controlling discourse in the most important media platform, he is the most powerful. >> twitter is in almost every country, right? so twitter gives him the ability

to connect to the prime minister, the head of every country in the world. >> jon: that's right. >> that person, whoever's in charge of the country, has an interest in what happens on twitter and what happens on twitter, because of a control, the algorithms being the biggest user, is all dependent on elon musk. wherever his dumb wants to go, he could to push -- >> jon: he is transparent about where he wants things to go. i think he is very clear that a civil war inevitable. >> concerning. >> jon: he'll be like civil war is inevitable and then he will right underneath there, "hmm, kind of an understatement on there." but, you know, i can't decide whether or not it is better to know exactly where he stands and know where he is going to be put the thumb on. because he's clearly very bright guy, and he has a media empire that has the largest reach and most influence of anything on the face of the earth and there is no question, he is going to leverage it in this election.

no question. >> but the crazy part is, he has more impact globally than he does domestically, in my opinion. when you go on next, you see a preponderance of right-leaning people. you don't see -- >> jon: you are all over my for you, i've never click on any of these things. >> that is the way it works. >> jon: what? >> yes! >> jon: they do the opposite of what i want? >> yes! >> when you write an algorithm -- i haven't written a lot, it's been a while. you could to set the parameters of what you want to see happen. and he certainly has her not to the things he likes. but it is different and other platforms, and the good news is, what, 20% of adults in the united states are on twitter. so 80% who aren't there. >> jon: is that there's a certain amount of tech bro malpractice that there is this incredible need in the marketplace of something that is slightly less biased or toxic when it comes through there? and they came out with threads and you are on it for two seconds and you are like, i

think i need a nap. >> no, i like threads. i think it's getting better. >> jon: here is something that doesn't sell online. "no, it's getting better!" [laughter] >> jon: that may be the worst -- >> the worst sales pitch ever. [laughter] >> jon: but you do disrupt industries. >> i try. >> jon: see, that is why, i would have thought -- and i think you have said this, that trump appealed to you at first because there is a certain outsider -- look, we both know, our government, there is a status quo, and there is a capture by lobbies and by big businesses that write this legislation, and end up gaining advantage, that needs to be disrupted. >> correct. >> jon: when did it occur to you that he didn't necessarily want to free it, he wanted to have the deed to the swamp signed over to him? >> about the third time i talked to him. he wasn't about changing -- i mean, the conversations i would have with him, i am like, there was a time when -- >> jon: are these phone

conversations? >> yeah, phone conversations. >> jon: was a doom? >> it was. zoom actually. >> jon: did he face time? facetime. we were talking about this one debate for cnbc that he wasn't going to be at -- >> jon: not going to do it, mark. >> and mike, donald, why don't you go to a local small business and show off your business tribes. he goes, "mark, donald trump and mark cuban don't go to peoples houses and have dinner. are you kidding me?" that is who he is. going to do with the ground, i got all these religious people who are going to do the work. >> jon: jesus. so he, and his mind-set -- i think this is very interesting. and maybe you know this too. he runs a family business. so he is in essence a monarch. it is a dictatorship. and maybe there is not as much malevolence to his actions as, oh, america can be a subsidiary

of the trump organization, because this is how i run it and they might say, we have checks and balances and division of government and he just says to himself, yeah, no, we'll get rid of that. >> that is the sense i get. this is my country, right? everybody else is bad. donald good. >> jon: okay. so donald good. whoever thinks donald good also good. >> come along for the ride. he just brought hate and anger to politics and that is his sales pitch. >> jon: when you talk to him, is not a part of his general conversation? or do you think that is a strategic demagoguing of he wants to get that emotion? >> that wasn't what we talked about but i think that is -- donald is a sales rep. he is a salesperson. he will follow what works. whatever he will try all kinds of different things, he will talk to all kinds of different people, and he will try things out. if it works, it is -- she's going to do more of it. >> jon: do you see him on his heels now? when was the last time you sort of had these counseling sessions? >> [laughs]

no. i talked to him probably 2019 -- no, i talked to him during the pandemic, because i was trying to help them with different things. look, he is still the president of united states, it is still our country. so i try to home had with ppe and a lot of different things, a lot of medical care. >> jon: you are the guy who suggested the bleach? is that you? everything is going great! everything's working! cuban's income "have you tried drinking liquid plumber!" >> i did not say drink. i said in jax. [laughter] >> jon: fair enough. so all this is going on. so what is your relationship now with this tech world and how does ai fit into that and how do you remain bullish on those innovations when they so clearly are working to avoid any kind of regulation of these new innovations? >> okay, two things. one, they are there because they are rich not because they are tech burros, they just happen to

make their money intact. i don't think that is applicable. the ai side, i have been a technology for a long time. you can always look at a new text, pcs, network, the internet, streaming, whatever, and say in five years, this is what is going to happen. with ai, you can't do that paired with large language models, we have no idea whethers going to zig or zag or what thet is going to be. and that is a good news and the bad news is. the good news is, we are dominating right now globally come of the united states is. >> jon: in terms of? >> in terms of the quality and the impact of the ai and the advancements that we are introducing an ai, the research we are doing. we are without question the leader and that is really important from a defense perspective, military, et cetera, and also from a business perspective. it is going to have a big impact on this country. i personally think it is generally positive but there is a lot of uncertainty to come. and so -- >> jon: what gives you the hope that it is generally positive? because as a counterpoint, we

heard the same thing about social media. and we heard the same thing about all these different innovations, the conductivity. and yet, every time i turn on congress, mark zuckerberg is up there like "look, i am really sorry. i didn't know it was going to kill all your daughters." >> [laughs] remember, it is still just a short window. social media has really only been prominent the last six years, and i think we will learn and evolve in the same thing will happen with ai. there is going to be points in time where it is [bleep] up and people are using it, but i think over time, particularly with gen z. gen z is a different beast. boomers are idiots. we went from such -- we went from sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll to fox news, it doesn't get any worse than that, right? >> jon: we haven't done well. >> no. and they are trying to define regulations, right? and that is hard. that is really, really hard. so i think gen z has a better understanding, a better feel for

ai and where it is going and will be able to come up with better uses, better implementations, and better regulations. >> jon: doesn't concern you that the implementation time frame -- when you think about the industrial revolution, and you think about the destruction -- our globalization, the disruption to the workforce, the way that label can travel and labor cannot travel but capital can come and all of these different things that were kind of erase wow a race to the bottom for american workers to e extent, but all of those changes took place over sometimes a century, sometimes decades. the changes in ai, they disrupt -- right. so when you have got something that disrupts to maybe even a larger extent than globalization did come at you may be a larger extent than the industrial revolution did and it is going to happen by thursday, in what world are humans in any way capable and set to withstand that disruption? >> i think we will be able to withstand it but i think it is going to be very disruptive. and the problem is, it is going

to happen anyways. somebody here, your son at duke can say, i've got this great idea, i will implemented with an open source large language model, and i will take it -- >> jon: it is weird. he did say that to me. >> right? but gen z is different. gen z, i think, looks at humanity differently. it is kinder. like them i've got three kids, , 18, and 21. they are just nicer. they are not like we were. >> jon: so are you trying to say, are we blathering what is the last gasp of this kind of more misanthropic moment in history? so in your mind, whatever happens, this is going to be a more misanthropic decade that will be ameliorated by this younger generation? >> i hope so. because the regulatory cap, the way we have always on politics right now is, everybody is chasing power. and nothing will give you more power than military and ai.

and i think the algorithm, i mean, going back to algorithms again, driven by ai, that is the most powerful element in the world right now, because everybody just gets whatever they are seeing reinforced. if you want to influence somebody, just manipulate the algorithm and you will get their attention. and so -- >> jon: so what is the remedy on that? if there is no one working a push back, if pushing back on that is considered -- >> it is just one of those things where you have to go through it. >> jon: it is an evolution of a new media model? >> dress and as evolution of technology. because if we don't do it, the chinese and the russians will because the only thing that holds ai back is processing power, electricity, and ingenuity. and i think our ingenuity wins. i'm still a big believer in american exceptionalism. i still believe that we've got the best technologists in the world and i think that is why we have to open the door for ai. >> jon: so ultimately, it becomes a question of, the world will be carved up, and the way that it has always been, and i

am assuming that russia and china see a unique vulnerability in the west's ascension in this moment that has been in the world order since 1945. >> everybody looks at it and says, ai, he he who controls ai, right? but we have done a good job of limiting processors, the new semiconductor act will help us quite a bit, and we will bring things -- we are already doing most of those things here. >> jon: right. so how do you resist the ring? so "lord of the rings," the ring of power, it is the one thing. when you get the ring, you don't want to let it go. how do you resist that? because you've got the money, you got the influence, you could be that guy. you could be setting those things up and doing all that but you are just trying to get us, like, better generic aspirin?

like, what is happening? [cheers and applause] what makes you -- >> i know what i can do, i know what i'm good at. >> jon: okay. you are not tempted by the ring that is in front of you? >> i think there is a different ring, right? yeah, ai could be the end-all be-all technologically but that does not play to my strengths. and the ups and downs and ins and outs are just not me. but you want to talk about pharmacy, what could be better than [bleep] up the health care system in the united states of america? [cheers and applause] >> jon: that's interesting. there is, i imagine, when you get into that position, at that height, you can't help but hear the siren call of "you could run this whole [bleep] think i'm a cuban." >> maybe a little bit. maybe a little bit. i hate to use a cliche but the way i was raised, i've got three kids and i don't want to miss that. i don't want to be 95 and look

back and say, "i was president but i didn't get to know my kids at all." i would rather say "i [bleep] up health care and everybody is healthier a better world to live in and my friends and i are close and they are bringing over the grandkids and their kids' kids and that is more important to me. [cheers and applause] >> jon: and you have your eye on other industries right now where you can do a sort of the same kinds of things? >> there is pharmacy, costplusdrugs.com, i will get that sales clutch and there. costplusdrugs.com is literally in process of having the significant impact on the drug market. we are pushing generic drugs down now, we are right around the corner -- >> jon: you are negotiating prices in a way that has not been done prior. >> prior to us, there was no transparency whatsoever. right? so nobody knew what the price of any medication was. whether you were an employer -- >> jon: and it is just run by these boards? >> these pharmacy benefit managers are dictating prices left and right. they are basically stealing money from employers and employees. so we walked in there and said,

what is the one missing piece? transparency. so when you go to costplusdrugs.com, put in the name of the medication you want to take, let's just say -- i don't know what you that is. >> jon: sure. >> jon: >> jon: i'm so hopped up on it. you have no idea. >> do you know what it is. >> jon: i don't. >> generic cialis. [cheers and applause] [laughter] >> jon: as i said before, i am so hopped up on tadalafil. [laughter] >> so when you go to costplusdrugs.com and you put in "be 25," the first thing we do, we show you our cost, our markup, 15%, everybody gets the same price because we are mail order, to partner with pharmacies. there is a shipping fee and a fee for the pharmacist to review everything. when you do it that way -- >> jon: this is legal. >> of course it is legal. good old american capitalism. let me just tell you the impact.

there are drugs, there is a drug for chemotherapy that when we started, the price of it, if you just walked into a big pharmacy, big chain pharmacy was going to be $2,000. you go to costplusdrugs.com, it is under 30. there is a drug -- >> jon: that is insane. >> i had a friend landing who was in horrific car crash and he needed this drug, lost his insurance, it was going to be $30,000 every three months. i am like, let me just check to see how we can get it. $64 a month. in the price has gone down since. [cheers and applause] >> jon: were at their like martin shkre in jail for shit like that? when you jack things up like that, when you are the largest customer to any industry, it is criminal that you would not use any leverage to make those things more available? >> the problem was, there is a thing called pharmacy benefit managers. they are basically responsible for doing been negotiating,

with, to a certain extent, medicare, but with all the large employers. if you are one of the big companies that cover 150 million employees across the country, that is how you negotiate with. and the first rule, when they negotiate, they say, you can't talk about this. it's like fight club. you cannot say what your price is. you can't say what we are doing in our negotiation. they got so big doing that that nobody ever questioned them. we come along -- actually, martin shkreli plays a role in this whole thing. when he was thrown into jail, i was talking to my partner, like, dude, if this dude can just jack up this price, that is not an efficient market. nobody knows what the price is. if we publish the prize, boom, the whole world is going to change. as it turns out, the ftc came out with this report criticizing the pbms. they used our pricing data. the smartest thing we did -- >> jon: this brings up -- so ftc, the federal trade commission. boy, there's nothing the tech

world hates more -- >> than the ftc. >> jon: then the ftc. how does that square? >> like any agency, they do somethings right and something's wrong. but in this case, with the pbms, they are crushing them and it is justified. >> jon: is it something that can't be done throughout health care? one of the difficult things with health care is the contingencies of, you can't really comparison shop when you have a heart attack. you are basically saying, drive me to the closest hospital and take care of me. but those prices you are talking about, you could get heart attack treatment at this hospital, it is $150,000. you go up the street and it is $12,000. nobody knows. >> what happens is, who is paying? if you come i got for bread, have a heart attack, let's just say, it is going to your employer. your employer has no idea what they are paying so what we are saying, on drugs first and now we are just getting it approved today, we are going to publish all contracts. never before has it been done. for my companies, we are saying, if you want to do business with us at some of this hospital system wants to work with this

company, whatever it may become we will publish them and put them online for anybody to see all of our pricing. [cheers and applause] >> jon: i think that is fantastic. but i'm trying to understand, why is there such push back on this idea of applying those same kind of competition and thinks our health care system? we talk about, we've got to privatize health care and it's the best thing in the world. but it is not function like a free market. any way at all. what is so terrible about getting everybody health care? why is that such anathema? >> these companies, these pbms and the big insurance companies, the largest insurance companies, they are so big. like i keep on saying, big employers cover 150 million people. and the ceo of this big company doesn't know much about health care and their health care costs. so they just say to them, we are going to write you a check for a rebate even though it is your sickest employees that are paying for that rebate. they just don't know. >> jon: it is so interesting,

because it is such a nonvillainous -- you know, no one ever talks about "big prescription benefit manager." >> right! >> jon: it's always like "big oil will come down" or "big tobacco" big -- >> the middle manager. you cut them out. there is no reason for the big ones that control 90% of the prescriptions that are filled. there is no reason for them to exist. there are others that are called pastor pbms that show you all your claims, show you your data, your pricing, they do it for a fraction of the price. so there is an opportunity. >> jon: disruption, baby. that's what i like to see! [cheers and applause] what else do you have your eye on? >> health care. >> jon: is going to be health care. i'm with that. >> i am with that too. >> jon: it might be with that money if you could help the knicks -- forget it. >> let's go mavs. [laughter] >> jon: thank you so much for

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desi, what are you covering this week? >> oh, jon, i'll be recapping all the inspiring athletes of the olympics. simon biles, katie ledecky, and of course, that australian breakdancing lady. [cheers and applaus! >> jon: you know, the thing about her, her dancing didn't seem -- and i say this -- good. i do not seem so good. >> jon, she was inspiringly terrible. inspiringly terrible. because i can never do what simone biles does. but this? [cheers and applause] this? all this? i can do this. this! >> jon: and quite well, i might add. >> and all this, jon? i can do this. [cheers and applause] >> jon: great. >> i can do this all day!

all day! >> jon: i could do it all day before covid but now i am tired. >> los angeles 2028, here i come! >> jon: good luck, desi! now here it is, your "moment of zen." >> sorry. captioning made possible by comedy central ♪ i'm going down to south park ♪ ♪ gonna have myself a time ♪ ♪ friendly faces everywhere ♪ ♪ humble folks without temptation ♪ ♪ going down to south park ♪ ♪ gonna leave my woe's behind ♪ ♪ ample parking day or night ♪ ♪ people spouting "howdy neighbor" ♪ ♪ headed on up to south park ♪ ♪ gonna see if i can't unwind ♪ ( mumbling ) ♪ so come on down to south park ♪

♪ and meet some friends of mine ♪ okay, children, i know that today is the last day of school and that the last day of school involves pranks, but this is going too far. now what have you done with mr. hat ? children, i want mr. hat back right now ! the prank is over ! you think i can't get along with mr. hat, don't you ? you think i can't live without him. well, i can. he's just a puppet. i don't need him. you see, watch. goddamnit, where the -- did you put mr. hat ? ( bell ringing ) oh, no you don't. the school year's over but summer vacation doesn't start for you little bastards until mr. hat is back on my desk. ( together ) ahhhh ! now i'm gonna turn around and when i turn back i expect to see mr. hat lying right here. okay. now i'm gonna turn around now.

shit ! where did everybody go ? hooray ! summer ! oh, golly, kevin, honey. good to see you again, son. looks like winter's right around the corner. better get some firewood ready. oh, happy summer, gentlemen. shut up, pip. righto. enjoy some of the summer for me, would you ? what do you mean ? well, i have to spend my summer in summer school because i can't be left alone. you see my parents are dead. your parents are dead ? goddamn you, sir pip. ( laughing ) oh, yeah, dude. it's summer. that means we gotta buy fireworks. i saved up enough money to buym80'sthis year. i saw this movie once where this guy stuck a fire cracker up a cat's butt. cool, maybe we can do that to cartman's cat. hey, if you so much as touch kitty's ass, i'll put fire crackers in your nut-sack and blow your balls all over your pants. jesus, cartman. ( mumbling )

hi fellas. hi. what can i do for you ? we want to buym80's. the kind that fit in cartman's cat's ass. okay, that's it. screw you guys, i'm going home. what a baby. so we'll have tenm80'splease. i'm sorry fellas, haven't you heard ? heard what ? all fireworks have been banned in colorado. what do you mean ? it was in the paper this morning. dude, just cause some stupid north park kid blew his hands off, we don't get to buym80's. right. how can they do this to us ? doesn't anyone believe in tradition anymore ? yeah, we've been playing with fire crackers our whole lives. killed kenny. you bastards. a summer without fireworks is like-- i don't know but it's like it sucks ass. yeah, now what are we supposed to do ? i can still sell snakes. ( together ) nah. this is absurd. we need fireworks for our fourth of july celebration at the lake. i don't care that some twirp blew his hands off.

we've got to have fireworks for our picnic ! hold on i've got another call. hello. no, i don't know where mr. hat is. jesus, garrison, i've got bigger problems. hello, yes. now what am i supposed to do about our fourth of july show at the lake ? no, i don't want snakes. this is an outrage. get me the mayor ! i know that, smart ass, i was being ironic. i'm sorry mayor, but i couldn't find the little man in the boat. well, keep looking. this is ridiculous. we can't have a celebration without fireworks. whoever heard of a fourth of july picnic with snakes ? ( bar brady ) i like snakes, you light them and they grow and grow. wait a minute, that's it ! i've got it ! this fourth of july, south park will make history by having the largest snake in the world ! the press will love it. i'll be on the front -- ooh. ( bar brady ) oh, i found him. man, it's hot out here. what do you guys want to do, we have the whole summer to play ? dude, what are supposed to do ? we always just played with fireworks. i know, let's go sledding. yeah.

come on, cartman, get on. let's go, dude, we're ready. what the hell you waiting for, cartman ? guys, don't you notice anything wrong with this picture ? yeah, your fat ass isn't on the sled. whatever. what the hell's going on ? hey, there boys. hi, uncle jimbo. how come you're not blowing things up ? it's summer. didn't you hear ? they outlawed fireworks because a little boy blew off his hands. what ! yeah, they're not even having them at the lake this year. oh, my god. well, don't worry, boys. uncle jimbo is on the case. buckle your seatbelt, ned. where are we going ? mexico, my amigo. why are we going to mexico ? to buy fireworks. just cause some kid blew off his hands doesn't mean the rest of us have to suffer, now does it ? are fireworks legal in mexico ? hell, everything's legal in mexico. it's the american way. at the dynamite firework company. we have a commitment to excellence. our focus is on safety while-- just cut to the chase and tell us about the snake. okay. now the disk that we're making is approximately