know so much about michael scarn? well, because i am michael scarn. all: oh! [applauding] [music - "threat level midnight"] aw, yeah. "threat level midnight" makes all the birdies feel all right, from madonna to madeline albright. "threat level midnight," it's a threat, a level, a level, level threat. he's the greatest hockey star i ever seen yet. threat level what? midnight. threat level who? michael scarn. threat level why? apartheid. gotta fight it. free mandela. peace, i'm out. ♪ ♪ >> announcer: from the most trusted journalists at comedy central... it's america's only source for news. this is "the daily show" with your host, jon stewart! ♪ ♪

[cheers and applause] ♪ ♪ >> jon: welcome to "the daily show!" how are you? my name is jon stewart. thank you! [cheers and applause] we've got a great show tonight. i am very excited. as you can see, i am fully healed. you see, this is what caused all the commotion. they glued it back together. where is it? they glued it back together. that's all. that's it. that is what nearly brought an old man down. a tiny puncture wound that all the blood in my body went "let's go!" we got a hell of a show tonight.

sociologist and author matthew desmond is going to be joining -- [cheers and applause] they love him. fresh off his upset win for best supporting actor. and the crowd goes wild. but first, if i could just pick up something from the last time that i was out here. i had made a bit of a critique of elon musk and the doge program. let me reset the scene. i am not allowed to have big boy mugs anymore. there was an actual meeting of the safety department of paramount and viacom that was like, "no more ceramic for mr. stewart." they wanted to baby proof, so this is -- anyway.

we had some critiques about doge, after the show, governor musk tweeted, or "x'ed," i guess -- that he would like to come here on here and talk to me, as long as the show airs unedited. so i thought about it. and after a prayerful week with my family -- well, a family -- it is a family hall pass situation. [cheers and applause] you don't want to know. you don't want to know, and quite frankly, i don't want to know. but after thinking about his offer, i thought, you know, hey, that's actually how the in

studio interviews normally error. unedited. so sure. [cheers and applause] we would be doing it. as a matter of fact, let me sweeten or unsweetened it, the interview can be 15 minutes, an hour, two hours, whatever -- i'll be honest, i don't think this network makes any other programming! so we can do whatever the [bleep] we want, as long as we wrap before the new season of "south park" comes out in, like, may or june of 2026. so i am game. i think it will be very interesting conversation. but then i checked "x" again and saw another tweet from elon because you can't not, and he then said, after saying i would like to come on, jon stewart can not be trusted.

and that i am a propagandist! [boos] you give me too little credit. and that i am not bipartisan. again, the guy who custom made his own dark maga hat that he wears to opine in the oval office with the president who he spent $270 million to elect thinks i'm just too partisan. i'm really not sure what he thinks bipartisan means. but it's generally not "i support donald trump... and also germany's afd party." that is not bipartisan. that is just the same shit. so i guess what i would say is this. so look, elon, if you want to do the show, great. i support in general the idea of efficiency and delivering better services to the american public

and cheaper and more efficient ways and if you want to come in and talk about it on the show, great. if you don't want to, sure. but can we just dropped the pretense that you won't do it because i don't measure up to the standards of neutral discourse that you demand and display at all times? because quite frankly -- [cheers and applause] you know it, i know it, bullshit. but let's get to the big story. americans are still trying to process the global realignment that has occurred following the disastrous oval office meeting between the president, j.d. vance, and volodymir zelenskyy. what happened? they say. "are we still america?" they say. "whose side are we on?" they say. it's complicated. the best way that i can explain what happened and how americans must process this new reality was with another shocking

turn of events from this weekend. >> saturday night at the elimination chamber. the wwe shocked the world as john cena turned heel, joined the rock, and attacked cody rhodes. [applause] >> jon: now if that does not immediately explain to you our current geopolitical climate, you must have grown out of watching wrestling through the normal course of aging. i, on the other hand, understand this in my bones! this explains it, folks! all your shock, all your disappointment, all of your anger, it's in there! it's in the squared circle. you see, saturday night -- we are doing this! [cheers and applause]

saturday night, john cena, the good guy of professional wrestling, mr. hustle, the champ, the man who stood for everything: truth, justice, the guy who literally holds the record for the most make-a-wish foundation meetings of all time. people would get cancer just to meet john cena! last weekend, cena flipped the script and went from being a face, a good guy, to a heel, a bad guy! now, if you don't follow professional wrestling -- and i'm guessing if you watch this show, you do not -- let me judging from -- all right. but let me continue to bore you with this metaphor. so here's what happened: the current wwe champion is one cody rhodes.

[cheers and applause] seven people say "rawr." he's the people's champ. unquestioned bravery, he stands in for zelenskyy in this metaphor. and a couple of weeks ago, the rock, the now-evil owner of the wwe -- putin in our story -- made cody rhodes an offer. >> the one thing that i want more than anything in this world... is that. i want your soul. [laughter and applause] >> jon: he wants zelenskyy's sole. "but sir, i am smaller and weaker than you. it will take incredible bravery for me to protect my soul, and the soul of my people. but luckily, i am not protecting

my soul alone. for i have the support of the great john cena!" [cheers and applause] so cody rhodes -- zelenskyy -- told vladimir putin -- rock, "no soul for you, mother[bleep]." and that's when they met in the oval office. america went to hug zelenskyy, but when america looked up, somehow, putin had given john cena the international sign for "it's time!" and rather than repudiate putin, america smelled what the rock was cooking, and through that borschty haze, america delivered the nut shot! the nut shot to the hopes and dreams of ukrainians everywhere. and then for no reason, america jumped on zelenskyy and just started hitting him as many times as he could in the head. too simplistic? [cheers and applause]

this is it! am i being too simplistic, assigning to the delicate art of real politik a scripted outcome? perhaps. but judge for yourself. >> putin broken 25 times, 25 times he broke his own signature, 25 times he broken ceasefire. >> you're in no position to dictate what we're going to feel. you're not in a good position. you don't have the cards right now. you're gambling with world war iii. >> what you're speaking about -- >> you're gambling with world war iii. >> what you're speaking about -- >> have you said "thank you" once this entire meeting? >> a lot of times. >> we gave you, through this stupid president, $350 billion. you're either going to make a deal or we're out. >> this is going to be great television, i will say that. >> jon: it sure wasn't! but isn't that what you want from the high stakes diplomacy and real life urgency that ending war demands? and you know, even reporters got

some nut shots in! >> why don't you wear a suit? >> jon: oh, shit! no, you didn't! let's do the dozens! oh, zelenskyy, you're so poor and war-torn, you're down to one brooks brother! oh, shit, you're so war-torn, you've given up the meaningless protocols of business attire. if you think i'm pushing the metaphor, look at the stunned faces in the crowd at wwe when john cena turned heel. i now present you, the equally stunned reactions of those watching this oval office pay-per-view. >> scott, i've never seen anything like that. you've never seen anything like that. >> wow. just wow. that was -- that was something. kaitlan, i want to start with -- look at her face. i mean, christiane.

>> jon: you broke christiane amanpour! the woman wanders unprotected through taliban-controlled afghanistan, doesn't give a [bleep]! ten minutes of trump diplomacy and she's like, "is anyone else dizzy? my a1c is plunging!" of course, there is one big difference between the wwe and the world of politics. in the wwe, they seemed very clear on who the good guys and who the bad guys are. nobody walked out of the match pretending that the guy who got nut-shotted was the bad guy. >> there was this attitude of ungratefulness. >> seeing his smirk, seeing him roll his eyes, seeing him refer to j.d. vance, the vice president, as j.d. >> he shows up in his equinox chic outfit to the doggone oval office. >> president zelenskyy was also antagonistic, and frankly, he was rude.

>> so impertinent, so disrespectful. >> tone deaf, going in and fighting back, getting sassy with the president and -- >> he was sassy. >> he was sassy. >> jon: "he was sassy!" he was a real scallywag! you know what i would say if i was there in the oval office with him? i'd say, "you better watch your tone, mister!" i think it was churchill who during world war ii was roundly criticized for being a bit lippy! "excuse me, mister, we'll decide where you're going to fight them, whether it's on the beaches or not." [bleep]. poor guy, zelenskyy. his nation was invaded, he's -- against all odds -- held off a much bigger army for three years, and we're like, "and would it kill you to smile more, dress a little nicer? you're a beautiful country, nobody would know!"

"show off what you got. know what i'm talking about? maybe some of those rare metals i've been hearing something about." but of course, if you criticize trump's very clear hostility to zelenskyy, and very clear appreciation of putin as being suspicious or a repudiation of american values as they've been outlined since world war ii, trump's people quickly set up straw men north of richmond. >> if there are no negotiations, what is the alternative? another four years of war? >> jon: we're not saying there should be no negotiations. we're just surprised at the side you seem to be negotiating for. >> president trump recognizes the urgent need to end this war after three long, bloody years. president zelenskyy has different aims in mind. >> jon: yeah, bullshit. i'm pretty sure everybody wants to end the war. hitler wanted to end the war, just not the way it ended. you're pretending that we have no other options. [cheers and applause] >> our hearts all break for the

suffering and loss and death, but you know what would be even worse? world war iii. >> jon: yes, i'm sure your "heart" -- in quotation marks -- is breaking. but in your little zero sum formulation, you are correct. total capitulation by ukraine, loss of all their mineral wealth, and no security guarantees is still better than world war iii, for now. but you know, everything sounds better if the only other option is world war iii. you can listen to the "emilia perez" composer freestyle another [bleep] verse at the oscars, or world war iii. eventually, you will agree to hear another verse, by a hair! these guys are so [bleep] up trump's ass, they can't even admit that this meeting was russia's wet dream.

>> the world is now watching how trump behaves and acts when he's pressed. i thought he stood up for america, that we're a good people, we want to help you, but we're going to be respected. so i think moscow's probably more afraid of trump than ever. >> jon: yes, people get terribly afraid when someone viciously takes their side. they must be quaking in their... what do russians wear on their feet? do they wear shoes inside of other shoes? and they get really small until the last last shoe when you take them off? and you are positive it has to be the last shoe but then the little, baby, tiny shoe. [cheers and applause] no, we don't --

[laughter] you know what? putin must be quaking. this is the actual russian state television view on russia's fearfulness. >> the new administration is rapidly changing all foreign policy configurations. this largely coincides with our vision. >> america said, "do whatever you want, it has nothing to do with us." it's such a pleasure to watch. >> basically, he is taking our bread and butter. we wanted to saw the western world into pieces but he decided to saw through it himself. [audience reacts] >> jon: not only are the russians not fearful, they're [bleep] delighted. do you know how hard it is to delight a russian? there's only two ways to do it: break up the western democratic order or bear on roller skates. it's the only two ways!

or social media dash cam death. three things, really. look, none of this is to say zelenskyy handled this meeting well. everyone knows by now, trump's love language is subservience. if he calls your wife ugly, you praise him. if he calls you "widdle," you run his state department. and if you're a foreign leader who wants to be on good terms with america, you got to butter trump up like he's texas toast. british pm keir starmer knows how it's done! >> it is my pleasure to bring, um, from his majesty the king, um, a letter. he sends his best wishes. it's an invitation for a second state visit. this is really special. this has never happened before. this is unprecedented and i think that just symbolizes the strength of the relationship between us. so this is a very special letter.

[cheers and applause] >> jon: that's how you do it, zelenskyy! "oh, it's a letter from the king! oh, it has a waxed seal on it! it was brought here by harry potter's owl! ooh! ooh! what a delight! ooh! the king throwing you a "ball!" you'll be the bell of the ball! and then afterwards i'll sweep your chimney! ooh! zelenskyy shouldn't have gone in there with "russia hasn't abided by any ceasefire agreements so we can't trust them," he should have gone in there with a dessert cart and a kyiv hotel opportunity. so this meeting has deeply wounded america's alliance with ukraine as well as the rest of europe. and the punditocracy is having a

hard time figuring out the strategy. >> i worry that the president is actually not interested in a deal about ukraine and -- but i don't understand it. >> the question now, jim, is what happens in europe? >> how does this make america great again? >> it just does not make any sense. >> jon: you poor dumb bastards. it makes perfect sense. if only you watched professional wrestling. do you get it? i will explain it again! it was a heel turn designed to create the alliance trump always wanted in the first place. what is to understand? trump and the republicans like putin better. just listen to putin! >> the radical neoliberlism destroying traditional values.

the obsessive emphasis on race. modern "cancel culture," it turns into reverse discrimination, reverse racism. they invented five or six genders, transformers, trans -- you see, i do not ever understand what it is. shared toilets for boys and girls. >> jon: [speaks in russian accent] "cats marrying dogs. "will and grace" reboot? i mean, come on! [speaks in normal voice] it's like putin is primary-ing marjorie taylor greene from the right. a woman who, by the way, gives up the whole point of this realignment. >> the ukrainian government is attacking christians. russia is not doing that. they're not attacking christianity. as a matter of fact, they seem to be protecting it. >> jon: by bombing other christians. so everyone's wondering, why isn't trump aligning himself with the west? in his mind, he is.

western civilization, not europe. to most of us, russia is not that. because we -- and historically, everyone -- has used "the west" to mean "western values." europe represents the expansion of liberties advocated by great enlightenment thinkers like locke, voltaire, and rousseau. but to maga, this is europe. it's [bleep] gay! super gay! when maga talks about western civilization, they mean the knights templar. still pretty [bleep] gay. i got to say. but excitingly so. but that's the thing: it's not democracy versus dictatorship or capitalism versus communism anymore. it's "woke versus unwoke" and russia is not woke.

they are very tired, they are comatose! it wasn't decided in a particularly volatile meeting on friday. got to give credit where credit is due, to maga architect steve bannon. they've been working on taking out the e.u. for a while now. >> it's a global revolt. it's a zeitgeist. we're on the right side of history. >> the beating heart of the globalist project is in brussels. if i drive the stake through the vampire, the whole thing will start to dissipate. we'll call it the movement or the cause or something like that. and that's literally when we take over the e.u. >> jon: holy shit! what a concise, centrally planned social engineering scheme. but here we are. the end result of a scripted arc that culminates in america betraying its old alliance for the lore of a strongman partnership that carves up the world's rich bounties and places classic democratic values behind transactional convenience. so say it with me, conspiracy theorists: by design, it's a new

world order! so europe, sadly, if i may: when we come back, matthew desmond is here, don't go away. [cheers and applause]

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♪ baby, i'm tired of waiting ♪ ♪ go re-charge your batteries, ♪ ♪ come back to me and make your mama proud ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ i need your arms around me, ♪ ♪ i need to feel your touch ♪ ♪ and i really want to talk! ♪ [cheers and applause] >> jon: welcome back to "the daily show." my guest tonight, he's a sociologist at princeton and pulitzer prize-winning author of "evicted." his latest book is called "poverty, by america." please welcome to the program matthew desmond. sir! [cheers and applause] ♪ ♪ thanks for being here! >> good to be here.

>> jon: let me say this, fabulous book, filled with such interesting research and unusual and i think really interesting ideas. i mean, does america require poverty to function in the way that we do? is it a requirement of our society? >> yeah, no, i don't think so. >> jon: is the system we run, do they require, and a capitalist system, people in poverty to function at maximum profit? >> i think a lot of us do benefit from poverty in ways we don't realize. the labor market, the housing market, we continue to have a government who gives the most to families that need the least by subsidizing affluence instead of fighting poverty. we continue to live segregated life spared a lot of us are connected to that problem, but it also means we are connected to the solution. i don't think we have to live with all of this poverty in america. >> jon: you say something in the book that blew my mind.

which is, there is a part in there that you talk about the tax burden, and if we just collected the taxes that were owed, it would account for one point something trillion dollars, and your calculation of how we could end poverty in this country was how much money? >> so if you take everyone below the poverty line and left them above it, it's about $177 billion a year. it is a super rough estimate but it gives a sense of what we are talking about when we talk about ending poverty. that is so utterly attainable for us. that is less than 1% of our gdp. so a study came out that short of the top 1% of americans just paid all the taxes they owed -- >> jon: just the ones they owed. >> and not even taxed at a higher rate, just paid what they owed, we would net about $175 billion a year. so we could just about close the poverty gap. >> jon: just with -- and without levying other taxes, just collecting what we need to.

>> right. i mean, so -- >> jon: what? >> right. >> jon: when you say that, i just go, no! that cannot -- that can't be! but be. that is insane! and it is not -- the one thing i will say is, it's not that we don't spend money on alleviating poverty. we do. the budget was, what, $3.710 trillion years ago, now it is, like, $7 trillion. we do send the money. is it -- are we just spending it inefficiently? >> so i think we have to recognize that the thingsthat we are doing to fight poverty now really, really matter. medicaid, food stamps, housing systems, these are lifesavers. [cheers and applause] so these programs are lifting millions of folks about the poverty line every year. we also have to recognize that we have to do more. you know, because the problem is

getting a lot worse. over the last 50 years, we have had wages stagnate for too many workers. we have had housing costs soar. the lowest wages in the industrialized world in the richest country in the history of the world. >> jon: our poverty levels are higher than almost all other countries in the industrial word. >> they are not just higher. our child poverty rate is double what it is in canada, germany, south korea, you go to europe, europeans have this phrase, american-style deprivation. so -- >> jon: i don't even want to know what the german word for that is. but i'm sure it is very long and sounds like someone has bronchitis. but this is the part that is shocking. we have done things -- i am going to go back to the pandemic. there was the era -- the rent assistance program, the child tax credits. poverty dropped in the pandemic

when people were really suffering by what percent? >> so the third rescue plan, the third rescue bill under biden, signed it in march, we dropped child poverty by 44% in six months because that inter intervention. [applause] so we naturally come at that point, had to end it very quickly. that program. >> right. because we were quiet. we were quiet. we dropped evictions to the lowest ever on record. we did the most for poor kids we have done since the world poverty in the great society. and there was not a lot of us saying, this is the new america that we want. we weren't writing our congressperson. we weren't talking to our neighbor about it. we were quiet. in our silence, 5 million more kids got tossed into poverty the next year. and so i think -- >> jon: is it a question of, when we think about -- we always think, for people below the

poverty line, there is a ton of programs for them but i'm a little bit above it and my parents are getting older, and my kids are going to school, and i am in a tight squeeze, and quite frankly, i don't want any resources that i might have to pay into. are there too many people even above poverty who are struggling, but feel like, i am not getting any value on my return for tax dollars? isn't there a little resource guarding? and by the way, not without cause? >> yeah, there is something to that. one thing that blew me away -- i think the thing that blew me away writing this book, you look at everything government does come all those poverty programs, the poorest families, food stamps, social insurance, social security, but also tax breaks. you have to count tax breaks. they cost the government money and put money in my pocket. if you add all that up, the average family, the bottom 20% of the income distribution, the poorest families, they receive about $26,000 a year from the government. so the average family in the top

20%, our richest families, they are receiving about $35,000 a year from the government. >> jon: they are -- say that again? >> so this is the true nature of our welfare state. they are getting about 40% more than the poorest families, and then we have the audacity, their shamelessness to look at a program that would reduce child poverty or make sure all of us had access to a dentist and be like, gosh, how can we afford a question mark. >> jon: here is where they go with that. this is the thing that i would like you to talk about. what they would say is, but the top 10%, 20%, they pay all the taxes. i don't think people understand what a regressive tax system we really have four people, not just at poverty, but working class, middle-class, that comes from sales tax and everything. people pay much more percentage of their income at the lower levels, even though it is not

federally taxed. >> right. a lot of folks just look at the income tax and they will say, the poor aren't paying taxes. but that is like counting calories only by cantering what you had for breakfast. so if you look at the whole tax structure, you see a lot of the poor working class, middle class folks are paying the same tax levy as rich folks. the folks that have the lowest tax burden in the country of course are the richest families. it makes no sense. >> jon: we are not bad people. >> no. >> jon: so what is going wrong? if you were doge, if you were there to say, what -- how could we do this more efficiently to get people that are struggling, to alleviate that? in many other countries, they do do that, what would you say? >> i think we have to do three things. we have to deepen our investments in fighting poverty. we have to get back to those big, bold programs that we had in the great society. we saw what we could do in covid -- >> jon: what are some of those

programs? >> we expanded social security, we created medicaid and medicare, we expanded educational opportunities. these are deep investments in the poorest families in the country. we need to get back to that. we can fund that by fair tax implementation. so the irs chair a few years ago told congress that we lose a trillion dollars a year -- a trillion -- on tax cheating and evasion. >> jon: a trillion? those poor people are getting away with a ton. >> right. >> jon: a trillion a year. alleviating poverty would be 200 billion a year. what? >> right. >> jon: is there something in the system of federalism that means those dollars -- like, if walmart has a 5 billion or $10 billion profit and yet still a lot of their workers are on public assistance or struggle, who might not be below poverty line but just above it, how are we not penalizing them? >> right. i think we need to move back to

that question, which i think is the second piece of the puzzle. we need to have new ways of empowering the poor. we need to find a way to build worker power, to expand housing choice, to finally take on all the ways that they are getting financially soaked by banks and payday lenders in the country. and so this is a way -- >> jon: why is that so hard? is it that poor people need better lobbyists, is that what this is? how does this get done? >> they need better choice for they not expecting the best bad option all the time. if you think of, how are we going to build worker power in this economy? now you got to go to one amazon warehouse or one starbucks location at a time. remember when we were losing our minds because one amazon warehouse in staten island may be organized a few summers ago? we were like, oh, my gosh. we have no chance to organize all the warehouse workers or baristas like this. we have to have different approaches. so the new labor movement is saying, let's organize entire sectors. look at everyone in food and hospitality. if they take a vote, that could

trigger a process for the secretary of labor to be like, let's bring worker representatives, corporate representatives, less hash everything out that covers every single worker in that sector. this is what policy wonks call sectoral bargaining, a way to organize all of those warehouse workers, the baristas in one go. >> jon: is there something to getting the government to value labor again and the way that they value capital? capital being tax that gains that are much lower, there are a lot of rules that ease capital, stock buybacks, you are only -- have to answer to shareholders. is there a way to get workers in on that? that seems like we are the accumulation of wealth seems the greatest. how do we plug labor into that stream without necessarily killing the stream, but letting it -- getting them into the flow of it? >> why don't we put workers on corporate boards, for example?

[cheers and applause] >> jon: easy! why do they fight that?" sectoral bargaining get that done? >> it could move us closer to something more like a capitalism we deserve. i capitalism that serves the people, not the other way around. a lot of the times, i think the ideas we have about growth are just wrong. you know, if you rewind the clock, 1960s, we had a higher corporate tax rate, 50%, one and three of us were belonging to a union, and we were much more productive as an economy than we are now. and we are kind of fed this lie that we got to slash these unions, got to slash the corporate tax break and we will get the economic growth. we win in that bargain and we got the inequality where we did not get the growth. >> jon: don't you think the financialize asian of the economy changed that calculus? we used to think about ibm, the blue-chip companies, you would invest in them and they would have steady growth and they would get gonna give you dividends and you would work for them for 40 years?

i was thinking, if you were to reasonably watch the news networks, the little bug in the corner is the stock market, right? if you go to a hospital, they plug you into a machine, gives you your pulse, your blood pressure, all that, you would be well within your rights to think, that is the measure of my health. i am looking at that. when you watch that, you would think, oh, that must be the measure of our economy's health. is there a way to educate the public that that is not actually our economy? that is just a [bleep] tiny fraction that goes mostly to, i don't know, the top 10% or 50% of the wealth in the stock market? what other measures would give people a better sense of how we are feeling? >> could we have a taker that is about the number of families that went to a food pantry this month to eat? the number of families that lost their home?

a ticker about the number of kids that can't afford a winter coat this winter. you know? >> jon: yes! >> tracking data, the people -- >> jon: how many people have parents that need eldercare but it is squeezing them because their kids are going to college? give a sense of that. by the way, i reopened that cut just by doing that. i can't even do this anymore! are these -- critique it now from the left a little bit. are there things that the left advocates or or does that makes this realignment harder? >> i just don't think the left as fully committed to poverty abolitionism. you know? we know where our local organic cucumber came from. >> jon: wait, we do? >> we do. >> jon: is it written on th there? under a blue light? how do we do it? >> we know. we don't know how much the farmhand got paid picking it.

if you go to london, you go to the independent stores, they have a sticker on the door and they say, this store paid a living wage. our stores, we got a lot of stickers, but we often don't have that one, you know? and so i think that more of us have to just commit. >> jon: you are saying we have to put up "poverty has no home here" signs? >> i think the left needs to get more serious about economic justice. [cheers and applause] >> jon: i always worry -- here's what i always worry about. i worry about this with climate. it always comes down to, for some reason on the left, you people just have to be better people. and i will put pressure on it. i feel like the whole point of joining as a society is that the system can alleviate that -- i just don't know how we get out of it without it coming from legislation. i don't know.

when you say, we've got to call our congressman, i'm like, i've been in that situation where you call a congressman, it does dediddly poo. they are not even answering and they don't even know the ins and outs. the country is held together by hundreds and hundreds of legislative aides that are working tirelessly. isn't there a -- can't we present them -- i would love to see you lobby in washington because i feel like you have interesting ideas they haven't tried. we are not walking down the same tired path. is that a possibility or no? are they open to that? >> me going to washington? >> jon: yes! people like you? [cheers and applause] do they call you? do they at least asked? >> yeah. >> jon: for real? >> yeah. but i think, we definitely need more political movements, we need new legislation, but we also need more skin in the game. i think as a country.

so let's think about segregation. so segregation is upheld by zoning laws, it is upheld by history, but it's also upheld at soccer games, where your body turns to you and is like, you saw that building, we are not going to build that thing, ri right? it is upheld -- >> jon: you mean nimby? we all want economic justice, if you wouldn't mind, but doesn't that speak to that the systems then have to -- here is what i would say. we think of poverty as a vice and we think of entitlements as a moral hazard for vice. why don't we view it as investment? why don't we view it, like, what a great economic engine for this country, to take areas that have suffered entrenched poverty and rejuvenate them in a different way? >> huge investments.

look at food stamps. a billion dollars dedicated to food stamps gives you $1.5 billion in our gdp. if you look at what it does for kids, the long-term economic and health benefits for kids, it is a huge return on investment! it's about $1 and food stamps gets you $62 coming back to you in society. meanwhile, when we cut the corporate tax rate, the benefits we get are a lot less. a lot less than we are promised often when we are doing that. so investing in american people and stabilizing communities that needed the most is the best way for all of us. [cheers and applause] >> jon: i got to tell you come out of all of that argument, that, to me, was the most concise and powerful because it is one that i really have not heard, which is, you don't understand. we are not just giving people money. we are investing in getting a huge return and all these corporate subsidies are not getting us a good return. >> exactly. >> jon: that is fabulous right

there. that -- is anyone watching this? [cheers and applause] i really appreciate it. this book, if you get a chance, it will open your eyes to a system that can often be well-meaning but not function in the manner that it purports to be functioning, and it is really a wonderfully accessible journey through that. so i really appreciate it, the book. >> thanks. >> jon: be sure to check out matthew's book "poverty, by america." matthew desmond. we're going to take a quick break, but we'll be right back after this. [cheers and applause]

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