they were investigating the cancellation of all these powers. investigation by the house subcommittee on oversight and investigation shows that health insurers ballpoint united healthcare corporation and assurance canceled the coverage of more than 20,000 people and allowing companies to avoid paying more than 300 million in medical claims. it also found that policyholders with breast cancer, a lymphoma, and more than 1,000 other conditions were targeted for cancellation. so, i mean, private health insurance? they make money by denying care. she is talking about recisions. look for any reason to dump that person. when you look at some of the insurance reform that are

emerging now in some of these bills, i think they want to draw attention to that. i would say that democrats are saying at this point, that they don't want the government between you and your physician. they want you and your doctor to make decisions together on your care and keep your insurance if you like it. host: walter let's go to walter on the republican line in indiana. >> caller: thank you for taking my call, i constantly hear i want. america, guess what? and everyone is covered, health insurance is covered by everybody if you don't have the money, no doctor has ever said to somebody in the emergency room, excuse may, if you don't have the money i won't be able to set you're broken leg so that is a fallacy. number two, as far as the whole idea of socialized medicine which really is going to be, if we're going to socialize

medicine and i want to make sure that ted kennedy and all of the other rich congressman and rich politicians are under the same system, make sure that everybody is the same and you know that would not be the case. the third issue is sometimes we have to your the word now. sometimes -- this is my question to the cast -- if we eliminated and i am not being facetious, if we eliminated all of these health insurers, all your coverage programs and eliminated them across the country and a person walk into a hospital and needed care, wouldn't the hospital have to lower their care costs to make the current demand of of the consumer like as far as you cannot charge $20 for an aspirin or that person could not afford to pay a city would have two laureate and to me it seems like the insurance companies, if you walk in with blue cross blue shield the doctors live up lucky hit the lottery and he starts taking these tests, it is paid for but

if the consumer, if i wanted to buy a hamburger from a store and the person sold the hamburger for $10 nobody would buy it and the people would be out of business. >> guest: very interesting when he is talking about and less talk about christie said everyone gets health care and the question is that the most cost-effective way to do it? if we have health care delivered in that way it costs a lot more than if you had the insurance to go a different way and so as far as the health insurance companies, i think one problem consumers face is blue cross for example may not take your coverage. sounds like you had good success with that and i think there are other times when some is covered by health insurance plan and it takes a while for them to find someone who will take the coverage and i have to look at the deductibles and co-payments and i think that it's just a very complicated thing for people. a part of this discussion on capitol hill is to try to simplify this whole experience for consumers on how much their

insurance cost and what it covers and what it provides in how we make this easier for people to understand the whole health care system deliver care more efficiently. >> host: mark on the democratic line from pennsylvania. >> caller: good morning. my question is this, i think there is a lot of confusion out there as to what is a for-profit insurance company and what is a not-for-profit insurance company? it take for instance blue cross blue shield. i don't believe they are for-profit insurance company. then you have something like that now were cigna at all, obviously they are for-profit to and i don't know how kaiser permanente come if they are profit or not for profit out west but i think there is a lot of confusion when saying you are grieving insurance companies. i don't see blue cross as being greedy. i think they deliver pretty decent care for what the

premiums are and i think on both sides of the debate here your kind of getting people with insurance companies to demonize and i don't know -- i made him my question. the majority of people in this country are they covered, in fact, by nonprofit insurance companies or a for-profit insurance companies? thank you. >> guest: that's a great question but i think the broader debate here is on getting people to talk about these very sorts of things, how do insurance companies to work, should the federal government stepped in and try to regulate that market, should they not, where is the coverage, who are the main players and one is the insurance industry willing to do or not in the health insurance debate? months ago representing america's health insurance plans, a trade group said it for a sample if everyone is covered individual mandate we will cover people even have a pre-existing medical condition. this is classically been a big problem for the uninsured so i

think the caller is basically talking about we all need to be looking at insurance companies, thinking more and looking at their role in the health-care system in this whole debate on health care reform. >> host: was go to our next caller on the independent line. >> caller: thank you for taking my call. i was wondering if we could get into the tort reform piece of this. i believe it was in the '70s or '80s that attorneys were first allowed to advertise and in my mind once that happened all you need to do is open up a yellow page book or watch a tv commercial to know they are making good money. i am wondering what piece of the expense is coming from the lawsuits against not only the doctors but just about anybody? >> guest: i think if we had some representatives of the ama they would say a very large part of the problem is due to these medical malpractice lawsuits. that said there have been other

groups to try to quantify this and it's difficult to quantify for some researchers how much the such as the high cost of health care and others as it is simply a fraction but nonetheless it is a big concern for physicians when president obama was at the ama earlier this week he said to the physicians and the issue on health care reform, you are very important, i hear your concerns about malpractice reform, i do not want to cap medical malpractice awards which is something i think you'll see a republican proposals on at health care reform but the medical malpractice issue is not there in the democratic health bills. they have said it doesn't belong as part of this committee by the house or finance committee that they don't think is a major issue to be dealt with at this point but i think with the concern among physicians and other health-care providers of medical not practice you'll hear more about this in the months to come. >> host: let's go to our democratic line, joy from san clementi. >> caller: good morning.

i hear the gas talk a lot about health care companies and i am frankly with bernie sanders on the way he feels about health care and that is a single payer. when the iraq war is all said and done and that will be about a $3 trillion debacle and we are screaming and yelling now about a $1.6 trillion health care coverage to cover everyone and i just find that just so hypocritical, it's not even funny. i think the republicans unwilling, you know, they want compromise to get this bill pass and everything and i think that we have compromised by taking single pair off the table. >> host: let's go to an e-mail we receive from a your rights,

the federal government is restricted by the tenth amendment to oppose on citizens and all the looking for it to the california is unconstitutional fiasco of a bill. let's go to our next caller on the republican line from maryland. >> caller: hello. a great show, thank you. i have a question put your guest about a theory i have on simplistic solution of this problem and that would be to enforce all the insurance medical insurance company is to provide the same policy to all people regardless of medical condition, age, location for the same price and then also force all the doctors to charge people that walk in off the street without insurance the same amount of money that insurance companies get for the same procedure and that would open up competition. alice had my answer offline. >> guest: interesting proposal, interesting idea.

insurance companies while they may agree not to charge more for pre-existing medical condition there are still going to want to rate for age and perhaps some other factors that are going to be in the mix so i think if you have some idea you have a proposal i'm not sure you were doing with senate to your member of congress, look at the bills that are out there on the democratic and republican side and get your idea out there in the makes. >> host: an independent line from arkansas. >> caller: i would just like to say that republicans made are as against giving us health-insurance, good health insurance. they are getting health insurance, they haven't run the government, a good health insurance, and it would be nice and they would let us have health insurance. they don't demonize there's and they always -- the government when there are the government.

>> host: one of the things president obama said when he talks about health care reform said he wanted citizens to have the same coverage that members of congress have -- is that still a realistic description of what congress is trying to do? >> guest: i think this exchange will provide a large menu of health care options to people and will have the same sort of options that members of congress have in that they are available they can be added that but that has come up over and over and i think members of congress to realize if their constituents don't have those choices they will be concerned if there is a two-tiered system remembers get one kind of health care and they get another. >> guest: . >> host: democratic line from pennsylvania. >> caller: good morning. i didn't quite understand that last payment, there would be concerned about a two-tiered system where their constituents on getting the same amount of coverage there are getting -- that's the case right now, isn't it? and also i notice you are from

kaiser news here and i was doing some reading on the 1973 hmo act that made hmos possible in this country and i was reading the transcripts from the nixon tapes where ehrlichman tells richard nixon, edgar kaiser is running his permanente a deal for profit and the reason that he can, the reason he can do it i had it edgar kaiser come in and talk to me about this and went into some tap all the incentives toward less medical care big test the less care they give them the more money they can make. i think when we talk about health care and socialized medicine and for proper medicine i think that people need to understand that this is the sort of thinking that went into the formation of these were proper medical entities. it's important to include that in this discussion. i am concerned that when i hear republican congressmen and senators talk about the cost of

madison, they don't consider the cost that is imposed by the profit motive. i am using my rabbit ears, i will take my response on the air. >> guest: first let me tell you about kaiser news -- we are a program of the kaiser family foundation which is completely separate from kaiser permanente a sidelight that on the table and we operate completely dependent of the foundation and our stores are running all of the country, in the washington post, the philadelphia inquirer, miami herald so we have absolutely nothing to do with kaiser health insurance. i want to get that out there and secondly i was talking about the earlier comments was that members of congress are saying exactly which said, that they're getting options to their constituents aren't and one to level the playing field as part of health care reform. >> host: let's go to angela on the republican line from new hampshire. >> caller: hi, i am calling because i am concerned about businesses that are starting to

cancel their employees' insurance bodman -- before the nationalize health care comes in in order to protect themselves of that they can't be charged were held accountable. >> guest: i think that that is happening, that is something certainly you should alert your members of congress to enforcing specific examples of that but if there is an employer mandate in health insurance, not say there is but if there is there may be requirements for employers of a certain size to offer coverage whether or not they have a hat or dropped a previously. >> host: we have a twitter from carl the rights medical providers should not make a profit, let them provide services and the government return a living wage to them. on our independent line, jack from champaign, illinois. >> caller: hello, just want to make a couple of comments -- i don't agree that the government should offer a plan to compete with the private insurers here

and i think that insurers themselves do compete with each other. in one that will take a lot of employee -- pardon me, public education but one other thing such as the enzi qa, if people would pay attention to organizations like that that might help them make decisions. i do agree that they should do away with a pre-existing condition clause because that definitely would allow more people to get coverage and if we have to help subsidize people who can't afford it than a payroll tax i guess at this point even though it would fluctuate on a year-to-year basis payroll tax might be one way to pay for it when you're talking about rescission, my last point, there was no pre-existing condition clause and decisions would not be possible so thank you very much. >> guest: the public plan debate is a cornerstone of this debate, should there be a

government sponsored health plan, should go the route of something kent conrad of north dakota has talked about a co-op idea and again for a regional or state based and federal seed money and a lot operate and nonprofit level at that level. i think this is just a huge discussion point, did you have a government plan, do you need a government plan, would it be an unfair competitor or a fair competitor -- that is into the payment rates and all sorts of things and as people follow the debates they need to be reading and thinking about that. >> host: talk about one of the ways of paying by taxing employer health-care benefits. explain that. >> guest: right now you get health insurance from your employer and it is not taxed, and it is an expense for the employer so they don't have to pay taxes and you don't have to pay taxes as part of taxable income in the idea is that costs the federal treasury billions a year. so if they looked at the level a bit of those benefits and decided to tax at a certain

level or decided to tax people of a certain income tax on the health insurance that could bring a lot of money to the federal government to help finance health care reform so they are looking at that with a perhaps tax benefit of with the federal employee valued at about $15,000 a year or would they go to 17,000 or tried to go higher risk is an attractive pot of money but it is fraught with political risk of. >> host: damages in their? >> guest: in theory and policy there's quite a bit of support because there is some feeling that some of the high cost benefits that if they encourage over use of health care you that democrats would like this idea and republicans and health care analysts to like the idea but union groups have said that are members of a lot have gone less -- they have your wages because their health care is more generous of that tax would help them and unions tend to be a close ally of the democrat party said it will be political struggles. >> host: didn't obama campaign against this one running for

president? >> guest: john mccain wanted to give you a tax credit, you go anywhere you want to buy insurance of the president definitely disagree with that. he has said he doesn't favor this taxation of employee benefits but also the new kathleen sibelius' one up on the hill in front of ways and means at a conference hearing said basically the president doesn't favor this but he understands and is on the table so in as the give-and-take between the white house and congress and congress has to find a way to pay for this so i think it is on the table and a stay on the table. >> host: let's go to our last caller from plymouth, massachusetts. bernard on the democrat on. >> caller: good morning. you know, i have been listening to this argument for quite some time and they always bring up europe and a socialized system in europe and i lived and worked there for 26 years here and i am still living and breathing, it's amazing i know. i know they did not kill me and did manage to kill me because the dead bodies must pile up

over there all the plays from their ineffective system. i understand that their dead bodies on the american canadian border with canadians trying to get over here to get our good expensive medicine instead of the poisoned madison they feed them up in canada which unfortunately people like you tried to convince americans that that is the way it is and that is not the way it is. >> guest: i am simply here to help explain the health care debate, there are some lapeyre advocates that think health care is great and people think it is the worst way to go. all the voices are part of this health care debate in kaiser health news did toward, you can see the stories to explain this and get more information was mack thank you for being here. >> in the house of representatives today members of rodent two mph u.s. district judge samuel b. kent on charges that he abused his power and

lied to cover up sexual assaults on two female court employees. it is the rest of the house has impeached a federal judge's since the 1980's when a three jurists were removed. a total of 13 judges have face impeachment proceedings in the house since 1803, seven of whom were subsequently convicted in the senate, remove from the bench, four of the judges were acquitted and to resign before a senate trials. the district judge samuel pecans and his case now goes before the u.s. senate. the house also voted today to condemn and the iranian government's crackdown on demonstrators and interferes with internet and cellphones communications, the resolution was put forward by house republicans and foreign affairs committee chair howard berman said quote, it is not for us to decide who should run iran much less determine the real winner of the june 12th election but we must reaffirm our strong belief that the iranian people

have a fundamental right to express their views about the future other country freely and without intimidation. associated press is reporting that illinois senator roland burris will not be charged with perjury for statements he made before the illinois house impeachment committee of a state prosecutor investigating the case said there is not enough evidence to support the charge. senator burris was appointed to president obama is a vacant senate seat by former illinois governor bob voinovich who was impeached in part because of allegations that he attempted to sell the senate seat to the highest bidder. and tonight president obama

people want to think of it as a policy as much as a passion, he put aside 240,000 -- 200 million acres of wild america and so now as people are talking about environmentalism and green movements roosevelt is becoming the key figure to understand because he was the only politician of his day who had observed darwin and understood biology and understood the bird migratory patterns and understood mating habits of deer and elk and antelope and actually did something. >> sunday on kube and a, the first of two hours with the douglas brinkley on wilderness warrior. sunday night at eight on c-span or listen on xm satellite radio or download the c-span podcast. >> earlier today the chairman of several key house committees

discussed their drafts of legislation to overhaul the nation's health care systems. speakers included representatives george miller of education and we will show you this now, it is about 40 minutes. >> today i'm honored to be joined with chairman charles rangel of the ways and means committee, chairman waxman of the energy and commerce committee, chairman john dingell and are respected the subcommittee chairs, pete stark from the ways and means committee, frank alone from energy and commerce, and rob andrews of the education and labor committee. president -- today marks a historic moment in america's urgent quest to fix our broken health insurance system. for the past six months are three committees, the committees that have jurisdiction over health care and the house have worked together in an unprecedented manner to develop and present a health care reform discussion draft for congress and the american people that

embodies president obama's call for fundamental change in our health-care system. president obama asked us to draft a reform bill that will control costs, guaranteed choice and ensure quality and affordable health care coverage for all americans. i believe that our draft lives of those essential principles, our discussion draft reflects months of hard work in the views of many of our colleagues. we met with our respective democratic sen republican committee members with their senate colleagues and the cbo and the administration and other stakeholders in an open and collaborative process. two further this opening clabber to process our committees will hold hearings on this draft starting next week. after the july for the district work time, our committees will work to make refunds to the draft to vote on it and sent to the house floor. this is truly exciting news. the house decided to use this unified approach because we

recognize that our ability to succeed at health care reform rests in our ability to work together. we know that inside the beltway turn of battles will not advance reform. we believe that enormous to change america's health-care system congress itself must change. when the voters elected barack obama president they did not always in a message to the white house that the white house must change, this and an equally strong message to the congress that we must work together with the common good of our nation. they told us that we will not be rewarded for standing on the sidelines or raising conceivable argument against taking action. americans will judges and rightfully so by our willingness and our determination to cooperate and focus on the old limit unnecessary goal of reforming our health care system so that it works not just for a few of for everyone in our country. that is why the approach that the three of us has taken in this process is one of the key factors that makes this year the

year that will finally pixar broken health care system. now the current path of rising health-care costs is unsustainable. and no one disagrees with that. health care premiums have spiraled out of control dealing a crushing blow to families and businesses alike and placing our fiscal future in peril. president obama is absolutely correct when he says that health care reform is essential to the house of carnation and the strength of our economy. and back to health care reform is a single greatest tool to reduce her runaway budget deficits. our discussion draft is a the first half in building the truly american solution that will reduce costs, offer real choices and guarantee access to affordable quality health care for all. in the coming weeks our committee will continue to seek input from all the stakeholders, the american people and members of congress. we must and will continue to

move for rent. if there is one thing that is off the table it is saying no to health care reform. there is not one child, not one worker, not one employer nor one taxpayer who can further bad the cost of doing nothing. i am confident that we will have the ability to respond to their needs and how like to thank speaker pelosi, majority leader where the restaurant democratic leadership and all of our caucus and the members of this congress for giving us the support and input that we needed to develop this uniquely american solution to finally bring quality affordable health care to our country. the next speaker will be henry waxman. >> thank you very much. i am henry waxman, chairman of the energy and commerce committee and i'm pleased to join with my colleagues and our respective committees and will have jurisdiction of this health-care matter in presenting a draft proposal from which we

seek a further comment by the public and our colleagues as we fashioned the legislation. the draft is a very practical one and it is a uniquely american proposal. and builds on what works and fixes what needs to be fixed. first, we encourage the retention of insurance provided by employers which is the way most people have their insurance. in other words, as the president has said on many occasions, if you have insurance and get it to keep its various secondly we are going to address difficulties individuals and small businesses based in the current market. today people can't get coverage if they have a pre-existing medical condition. secondly, to many people are charged higher premiums even if they can get insurance because of their health status and small

businesses go into a completely dysfunctional insurance market when they try to get insurance for their employers or even their loved ones. the market is dysfunctional and they face an affordable rate increases. of that kind of discrimination will end in. a third, people who don't have employment based insurance or who change their jobs will always have access to affordable coverage and they can take it wherever they may go from one job to another even if they are out of work without insurance -- that insurance will be there for them. with that coverage to they will have protection from the catastrophic cost that is raised by many who need care and don't have coverage. choice is the key. choice is the